---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 01/28/14: 16 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:53 AM - Re: Re: Fuel flow question (Charles Burkholder) 2. 04:26 AM - Re: Fuel flow question (Don Emch) 3. 05:09 AM - Re: center strut - rear attach brackets (Jack Phillips) 4. 06:08 AM - center section wing tank (TGSTONE236@aol.com) 5. 06:56 AM - Re: center strut - rear attach brackets (Bill Church) 6. 10:58 AM - Leather coamings (Ken Bickers) 7. 11:37 AM - Re: Leather coamings (Don Emch) 8. 12:34 PM - Re: Leather coamings (bradandlinda tds.net) 9. 03:34 PM - Re: Tig welder on Ebay. (jarheadpilot82) 10. 03:38 PM - Re: center section wing tank (jarheadpilot82) 11. 04:09 PM - Re: Tig welder on Ebay. (tools) 12. 04:19 PM - Re: center strut - rear attach brackets (Michael Perez) 13. 04:24 PM - Re: Re: center section wing tank (Michael Perez) 14. 05:44 PM - Re: center strut - rear attach brackets (TOM MICHELLE BRANT) 15. 06:45 PM - Re: center strut - rear attach brackets (Gary Boothe) 16. 06:55 PM - Re: center strut - rear attach brackets (Chris) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:53:14 AM PST US From: Charles Burkholder Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fuel flow question Wow I like it. I was wondering about a center tank sight gauge. Charles On 1/27/2014 9:01 PM, Gary Boothe wrote: > Larry Williams?! Pshaw! I have the Steve Eldridge fuel gauge! > > Gary Boothe > NX308MB > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of taildrags > Sent: Monday, January 27, 2014 2:41 PM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fuel flow question > > --> > > Gary; the fuel tank really is a nice piece of work. I was just funnin' ya > about the rivets, but now't you mention it, I see the dimples and why you > had to offset the rivets in those spots. > > By any chance are you using a Larry Williams-style fuel sight gauge on the > bottom of the tank, or a dial-type, or electric capacitance, or -? I think > I've also seen someone's centersection tank that used one of the old > outboard motor fuel tank gauges that feature a cork float that turns a flat > helical piece of metal as the float rises or falls. The twisting of the > flat rod turns the fuel indicator needle. > > -------- > Oscar Zuniga > Medford, OR > Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" > A75 power > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=417708#417708 > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:26:37 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fuel flow question From: "Don Emch" A welded aluminum gravity feed tank is really hard to beat. If you can make a poster board mock up tank, there are several shops that can fab up a tank for you. If the tank was kept fairly simple, you only be into it for a few hundred bucks or so. The other option is to spend 8-10 hours to form one up yourself out of aluminum and take it to a shop that welds aluminum. Most would weld a simple one for $100-$150. Well worth the money for a rugged, simple, leakproof, gravity fed system. Very few things to go wrong. Don Emch NX899DE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=417754#417754 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:09:57 AM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: center strut - rear attach brackets Gary and Tom, That=92s what I did. The =BD=94 spruce piece supports the front seatback, but stops short of the cabane strut fittings. It transfers the load to the plywood shear web on top of the longerons. I don=92t have a good picture that shows the spruce piece, but here=92s a photo of the general area: As you can see, I laminated the hoops that support the cowling, but had to stop the one that makes the top of the front seatback short in order to clear the rear cabane struts. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Boothe Sent: Monday, January 27, 2014 9:20 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: center strut - rear attach brackets Tom, Out of hundreds of pictures, I thought I had things pretty well covered=85until I go to look for something like that! I did find a picture that seemed to confirm what you describe. The seat back for the front cockpit supports that member, and eventually all are tied in again with the hoop for the turtle deck. I suggest cutting the plywood bottom for the instrument panel, notched for the fittings, then add the =BD=94 member. Gary Boothe NX308MB From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of TOM MICHELLE BRANT Sent: Monday, January 27, 2014 5:58 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: center strut - rear attach brackets i'm confused with the connection between the rear center struct brackets and the fuselage. Theres a 3/4 x 1/2 member that goes between the two fuselage sides and is then covered with plywood for the instrument panel. The CC brackets appear to sever this member pretty much completely. Is this right? not that I think that that little member transfers a ton of energy but it seems strange that it would be cut off at the ends to make room for the brackets to slide through. this is where the front seat back is attached to as well. Any insights? Tom Brant http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:08:37 AM PST US From: TGSTONE236@aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: center section wing tank I made a center wing tank using closed end rivets and sealed. I never could get the leaking to completely stop. I took my leaking gas tank to an aluminum boat builder and ask him to use my tank as a pattern . He told me he would not build me a gas tank , but if I wanted a water tank he would be glad to do it.$250 got me a nice looking water tank that is installed in my airplane as a gas tank. It looks great and doesn't leak. Ted Stone ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:56:27 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: center strut - rear attach brackets From: "Bill Church" Tom, If you have the supplemental plans, the side view for the long fuselage shows an additional "3/4" x 3" filler for strut fitting" directly behind the vertical brace. By incorporating this filler, the rear cabane attach fitting can be moved aft, eliminating the interference that you were referring to. while the plans do not show it, another filler piece should also be added for the forward cabane attachment, to keep the spacing of the cabanes at 28 3/4". Bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=417766#417766 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/long_fuse_101.jpg ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:58:56 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Leather coamings From: Ken Bickers It has been too cold and too snowy the past couple days to make meaningful progress on the Piet. So, while staying warm and dry, I'm thinking ahead to a future task. My question is what weight and type of leather (e.g. cow, elk, etc.) is recommended for the coamings? Also any recommendations about suppliers of said leather? Thanks, Ken ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 11:37:49 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Leather coamings From: "Don Emch" Deer hide is thin, durable, and very nice to work with. Check ebay. Don Emch NX899DE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=417788#417788 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 12:34:24 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Leather coamings From: "bradandlinda tds.net" Tandy Leather Goods has a "stressed or aged " looking leather that had a great antique look and worked well on my Piet. Google "Rob Bachs Piet video On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 12:58 PM, Ken Bickers wrote: > > It has been too cold and too snowy the past couple days to make meaningful > progress on the Piet. So, while staying warm and dry, I'm thinking ahead to > a future task. > > My question is what weight and type of leather (e.g. cow, elk, etc.) is > recommended for the coamings? Also any recommendations about suppliers of > said leather? > > Thanks, Ken > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 03:34:51 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Tig welder on Ebay. From: "jarheadpilot82" Tools, Are you going it have it up and running for "Toolapalooza"? I am looking forward to getting some welding in while there. -------- Semper Fi, Terry Hand Athens, GA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=417792#417792 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 03:38:01 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: center section wing tank From: "jarheadpilot82" Ted, Does he have a brother/cousin/etc in Georgia? [Wink] Sounds like you got a good deal. Did that price include materials or just labor? Maybe I can find me a boat builder here that can do the same. Thanks for the information. -------- Semper Fi, Terry Hand Athens, GA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=417793#417793 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 04:09:07 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Tig welder on Ebay. From: "tools" Have the Syncrowave in GA, and yep, it's up and running. Also have oxy/acet and MIG to play around with. Should start recovering the Piet tomorrow, so it might be up and running as well. Tools Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=417795#417795 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 04:19:22 PM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: center strut - rear attach brackets Attached are two in-work photos of that connection. You can see how the attach bracket was moved aft onto the added spruce filler, this allows the horizontal piece in question to connect directly to the fuselage sides. As already noted, move the front brackets the same distance. If God is your co-pilot...switch seats. Michael Perez Pietenpol HINT Videos Karetaker Aero http://www.karetakeraero.com/ ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 04:24:08 PM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: center section wing tank Not a wing tank, but I went the mock-up to welded aluminum route. If you ca n, fabricate the tank yourself and verify everything fits and the tank incl udes whatever fittings you require. Then have a pro. do the welding...and p ressure test.=0A-=0AI agree that being hit with a rather large "fix" when you are nearing the end is no joy, but to handling correctly now will yiel d long term satisfaction in the end.=0A=0A=0AIf God is your co-pilot...swit ch seats.=0AMichael Perez=0APietenpol HINT Videos=0AKaretaker Aero=0Ahttp:/ /www.karetakeraero.com/ ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 05:44:31 PM PST US From: TOM MICHELLE BRANT Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: center strut - rear attach brackets Its ridiculous how simple this is... I only wish I'd have thought to ask t he question before I cut the cross member : ( Thanks all From: speedbrake@sbcglobal.net Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: center strut - rear attach brackets Attached are two in-work photos of that connection. You can see how the att ach bracket was moved aft onto the added spruce filler=2C this allows the h orizontal piece in question to connect directly to the fuselage sides. As a lready noted=2C move the front brackets the same distance.=0A =0A =0A If God is your co-pilot...switch seats. Michael Perez Pietenpol HINT Videos Karetaker Aero http://www.karetakeraero.com/ ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 06:45:48 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: center strut - rear attach brackets Tom, Don't beat yourself up. It's a non-structural part and of no consequence. Besides, there is always a price to pay for changes. For example, if I had moved my wing back 1" more, the aileron control cables would have come right thru the wind screen.or, at least, it would have been even harder to design the screen to the size I wanted. Gary Boothe NX308MB From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of TOM MICHELLE BRANT Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2014 5:44 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: center strut - rear attach brackets Its ridiculous how simple this is... I only wish I'd have thought to ask the question before I cut the cross member : ( Thanks all _____ From: speedbrake@sbcglobal.net Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: center strut - rear attach brackets Attached are two in-work photos of that connection. You can see how the attach bracket was moved aft onto the added spruce filler, this allows the horizontal piece in question to connect directly to the fuselage sides. As already noted, move the front brackets the same distance. If God is your co-pilot...switch seats. Michael Perez Pietenpol HINT Videos Karetaker Aero http://www.karetakeraero.com/ ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 06:55:51 PM PST US From: "Chris" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: center strut - rear attach brackets Just glue a piece behind the one you cut if it makes you feel better. I cut the piece as well as everyone else who has the fitting in that location. Chris From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of TOM MICHELLE BRANT Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2014 5:44 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: center strut - rear attach brackets Its ridiculous how simple this is... I only wish I'd have thought to ask the question before I cut the cross member : ( Thanks all _____ From: speedbrake@sbcglobal.net Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: center strut - rear attach brackets Attached are two in-work photos of that connection. You can see how the attach bracket was moved aft onto the added spruce filler, this allows the horizontal piece in question to connect directly to the fuselage sides. As already noted, move the front brackets the same distance. If God is your co-pilot...switch seats. 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