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1. 06:27 AM - Re: Re: Wheel alignment.... (Steven Dortch)
2. 07:45 AM - Re: Re: Wheel alignment.... (Steven Dortch)
3. 10:46 AM - Re: Wheel alignment.... (tools)
4. 04:45 PM - Re: leather coaming (Gardiner Mason)
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| Subject: | Re: Wheel alignment.... |
With my tail on the ground, mine appears to be toed in. I discovered this
when I push it forward and back. In my tiny model T 1929 era garage, the
gear spreads out when I push it back in, When I pull it out the gear
appears to be closer togather.
I will check it in flight attitude as oscar describes and I will measure
the distance between the tires when rolled forward out of the garage and
when rolled backwards into the garage. real question, shouldn't it be done
with normal load? IE 200 lbs in pilot seat? That is the configuration for
most of my planned takeoffs and landings.
Mine is Piper cub gear. On my 1959 cessna 150 it was a simple matter of
shims.
Blue Skies,
Steve D
On Sun, Feb 2, 2014 at 10:54 PM, Ray Krause <raykrause@frontiernet.net>wrote:
> raykrause@frontiernet.net>
>
> To all those responding to my questions about wheel alignment, thanks for
> all the help. My gear is toed out, but I think it can be fixed fairly
> easily. I will wait until rigging time when everything will be lined up. On
> my Waiex, I had to have no toe in or out to make it right, but that is a 1"
> round titanium gear, lots of spring.
>
> Thanks, everyone!
>
> Ray Krause,
> SkyScout coming along
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On Feb 2, 2014, at 6:25 PM, "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld@lacity.org>
> wrote:
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> Scott.liefeld@lacity.org>
> >
> > Ray,
> > Exactly what Raymond said. He nailed it on the head. Shot for straight
> though. Very slight toe out is OK but any toe in is very bad.
> >
> > --------
> > Scott Liefeld
> > Flying N11MS since March 1972
> > Steel Tube
> > C-85-12
> > Wire Wheels
> > Brodhead in 1996
> >
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> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=418014#418014
> >
> >
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> >
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| Subject: | Re: Wheel alignment.... |
Let me ask the question that I was thinking about as I typed the message
below. Should I be more worried about toein or out in the 3 point
configuration, or in the level wheel landing/takeoff configuration, or
should I get the best average toein/out for both? Also would I need to do
it weighted as though for flight?
Also, Are there any really good websites for adjusting Piper cub type gear?
Blue Skies,
Steve
On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 8:26 AM, Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch@gmail.com>wrote:
> With my tail on the ground, mine appears to be toed in. I discovered this
> when I push it forward and back. In my tiny model T 1929 era garage, the
> gear spreads out when I push it back in, When I pull it out the gear
> appears to be closer togather.
>
> I will check it in flight attitude as oscar describes and I will measure
> the distance between the tires when rolled forward out of the garage and
> when rolled backwards into the garage. real question, shouldn't it be done
> with normal load? IE 200 lbs in pilot seat? That is the configuration for
> most of my planned takeoffs and landings.
>
> Mine is Piper cub gear. On my 1959 cessna 150 it was a simple matter of
> shims.
>
> Blue Skies,
> Steve D
>
> On Sun, Feb 2, 2014 at 10:54 PM, Ray Krause <raykrause@frontiernet.net>wrote:
>
>> raykrause@frontiernet.net>
>>
>> To all those responding to my questions about wheel alignment, thanks for
>> all the help. My gear is toed out, but I think it can be fixed fairly
>> easily. I will wait until rigging time when everything will be lined up. On
>> my Waiex, I had to have no toe in or out to make it right, but that is a 1"
>> round titanium gear, lots of spring.
>>
>> Thanks, everyone!
>>
>> Ray Krause,
>> SkyScout coming along
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> > On Feb 2, 2014, at 6:25 PM, "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld@lacity.org>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> Scott.liefeld@lacity.org>
>> >
>> > Ray,
>> > Exactly what Raymond said. He nailed it on the head. Shot for straight
>> though. Very slight toe out is OK but any toe in is very bad.
>> >
>> > --------
>> > Scott Liefeld
>> > Flying N11MS since March 1972
>> > Steel Tube
>> > C-85-12
>> > Wire Wheels
>> > Brodhead in 1996
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Read this topic online here:
>> >
>> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=418014#418014
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
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| Subject: | Re: Wheel alignment.... |
I think the best way is to make sure that the geometry doesn't change as the struts
move. Sure, camber will, but if designed and built correctly, toe won't.
That requires the front and back mounting points to be inline, and that line being
parallel to the centerline of the fuselage. You should be able to stick a
long rod through the whole mess instead of bolts front and back. Then measure
the ends of the rod (checking for sag and such) to see if it's parallel.
If not, the mounting points need to be rebuilt.
Then, once the landing gear Vees are mounted correctly, the tubes for the axles
on the bottom of the Vees need to be lined up with each other. Determine what
point you want the camber line to be vertical, probably normally loaded, and
put a long tube through BOTH axle tubes to keep them in line, with no toe in
or toe out, and weld them to the gear Vees.
It's a lot of mocking up. It can be done at any time. It might require a fairly
extensive rebuild depending on what you've got. Hopefully worst case is welding
in holes, mocking up and through drilling everything at once in place for
the best results. Measuring correctly and building outwards seems to always
introduce incremental errors that keep it all from working some how.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=418037#418037
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| Subject: | Re: leather coaming |
Douwe. I have just bought a low time c85 to put on my Piet. Could you please
send me pics of the engine and cowling on your installation? Also a picture
of your panel. Obviously I have to build a motor mount. I have a Macauley m
etal prop 71-46 that came off my Cessna 140 with a c90 engine. I will probab
ly have a lot of questions later on. What kind of cruise do you get?
Cheers, Gardiner
Sent from my iPadi will
On Jan 30, 2014, at 10:53 AM, "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg@earthlink.net>
wrote:
> Hey Ken,
>
> I just did a google search for leather suppliers and found a place that ha
d a decent selection of =9Cdistressed=9D leather which is the lo
ok I wanted. I seem to have deleted them from my address book and it=99
s been a while now so I don=99t remember who it was.
>
> Too thin and your grommets can tear as you snug things up, too thick and i
t won=99t form well to the compound curves. Thinner equals a smoother
job.
>
> Let me ck, but I might still have enough from my purchase for you to use.
>
> Dan=99s article on how he did his coaming proved very helpful.
>
> Douwe
>
>
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