---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 02/03/14: 4 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:27 AM - Re: Re: Wheel alignment.... (Steven Dortch) 2. 07:45 AM - Re: Re: Wheel alignment.... (Steven Dortch) 3. 10:46 AM - Re: Wheel alignment.... (tools) 4. 04:45 PM - Re: leather coaming (Gardiner Mason) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:27:12 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wheel alignment.... From: Steven Dortch With my tail on the ground, mine appears to be toed in. I discovered this when I push it forward and back. In my tiny model T 1929 era garage, the gear spreads out when I push it back in, When I pull it out the gear appears to be closer togather. I will check it in flight attitude as oscar describes and I will measure the distance between the tires when rolled forward out of the garage and when rolled backwards into the garage. real question, shouldn't it be done with normal load? IE 200 lbs in pilot seat? That is the configuration for most of my planned takeoffs and landings. Mine is Piper cub gear. On my 1959 cessna 150 it was a simple matter of shims. Blue Skies, Steve D On Sun, Feb 2, 2014 at 10:54 PM, Ray Krause wrote: > raykrause@frontiernet.net> > > To all those responding to my questions about wheel alignment, thanks for > all the help. My gear is toed out, but I think it can be fixed fairly > easily. I will wait until rigging time when everything will be lined up. On > my Waiex, I had to have no toe in or out to make it right, but that is a 1" > round titanium gear, lots of spring. > > Thanks, everyone! > > Ray Krause, > SkyScout coming along > > Sent from my iPad > > > On Feb 2, 2014, at 6:25 PM, "AircamperN11MS" > wrote: > > > Scott.liefeld@lacity.org> > > > > Ray, > > Exactly what Raymond said. He nailed it on the head. Shot for straight > though. Very slight toe out is OK but any toe in is very bad. > > > > -------- > > Scott Liefeld > > Flying N11MS since March 1972 > > Steel Tube > > C-85-12 > > Wire Wheels > > Brodhead in 1996 > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=418014#418014 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:45:47 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wheel alignment.... From: Steven Dortch Let me ask the question that I was thinking about as I typed the message below. Should I be more worried about toein or out in the 3 point configuration, or in the level wheel landing/takeoff configuration, or should I get the best average toein/out for both? Also would I need to do it weighted as though for flight? Also, Are there any really good websites for adjusting Piper cub type gear? Blue Skies, Steve On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 8:26 AM, Steven Dortch wrote: > With my tail on the ground, mine appears to be toed in. I discovered this > when I push it forward and back. In my tiny model T 1929 era garage, the > gear spreads out when I push it back in, When I pull it out the gear > appears to be closer togather. > > I will check it in flight attitude as oscar describes and I will measure > the distance between the tires when rolled forward out of the garage and > when rolled backwards into the garage. real question, shouldn't it be done > with normal load? IE 200 lbs in pilot seat? That is the configuration for > most of my planned takeoffs and landings. > > Mine is Piper cub gear. On my 1959 cessna 150 it was a simple matter of > shims. > > Blue Skies, > Steve D > > On Sun, Feb 2, 2014 at 10:54 PM, Ray Krause wrote: > >> raykrause@frontiernet.net> >> >> To all those responding to my questions about wheel alignment, thanks for >> all the help. My gear is toed out, but I think it can be fixed fairly >> easily. I will wait until rigging time when everything will be lined up. On >> my Waiex, I had to have no toe in or out to make it right, but that is a 1" >> round titanium gear, lots of spring. >> >> Thanks, everyone! >> >> Ray Krause, >> SkyScout coming along >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> > On Feb 2, 2014, at 6:25 PM, "AircamperN11MS" >> wrote: >> > >> Scott.liefeld@lacity.org> >> > >> > Ray, >> > Exactly what Raymond said. He nailed it on the head. Shot for straight >> though. Very slight toe out is OK but any toe in is very bad. >> > >> > -------- >> > Scott Liefeld >> > Flying N11MS since March 1972 >> > Steel Tube >> > C-85-12 >> > Wire Wheels >> > Brodhead in 1996 >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Read this topic online here: >> > >> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=418014#418014 >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 10:46:23 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wheel alignment.... From: "tools" I think the best way is to make sure that the geometry doesn't change as the struts move. Sure, camber will, but if designed and built correctly, toe won't. That requires the front and back mounting points to be inline, and that line being parallel to the centerline of the fuselage. You should be able to stick a long rod through the whole mess instead of bolts front and back. Then measure the ends of the rod (checking for sag and such) to see if it's parallel. If not, the mounting points need to be rebuilt. Then, once the landing gear Vees are mounted correctly, the tubes for the axles on the bottom of the Vees need to be lined up with each other. Determine what point you want the camber line to be vertical, probably normally loaded, and put a long tube through BOTH axle tubes to keep them in line, with no toe in or toe out, and weld them to the gear Vees. It's a lot of mocking up. It can be done at any time. It might require a fairly extensive rebuild depending on what you've got. Hopefully worst case is welding in holes, mocking up and through drilling everything at once in place for the best results. Measuring correctly and building outwards seems to always introduce incremental errors that keep it all from working some how. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=418037#418037 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 04:45:58 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: leather coaming From: Gardiner Mason Douwe. I have just bought a low time c85 to put on my Piet. Could you please send me pics of the engine and cowling on your installation? Also a picture of your panel. Obviously I have to build a motor mount. I have a Macauley m etal prop 71-46 that came off my Cessna 140 with a c90 engine. I will probab ly have a lot of questions later on. What kind of cruise do you get? Cheers, Gardiner Sent from my iPadi will On Jan 30, 2014, at 10:53 AM, "Douwe Blumberg" wrote: > Hey Ken, > > I just did a google search for leather suppliers and found a place that ha d a decent selection of =9Cdistressed=9D leather which is the lo ok I wanted. I seem to have deleted them from my address book and it=99 s been a while now so I don=99t remember who it was. > > Too thin and your grommets can tear as you snug things up, too thick and i t won=99t form well to the compound curves. Thinner equals a smoother job. > > Let me ck, but I might still have enough from my purchase for you to use. > > Dan=99s article on how he did his coaming proved very helpful. > > Douwe > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.