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1. 04:56 AM - Re: Ailerons, up and down (womenfly2)
2. 05:13 AM - Re: tense about cables (danhelsper@aol.com)
3. 05:34 AM - Re: tense about cables (tools)
4. 05:44 AM - Re: tail hinges (tools)
5. 05:44 AM - Re: tense about cables (danhelsper@aol.com)
6. 05:50 AM - Re: tense about cables (Gary Boothe)
7. 05:58 AM - tail brace cables (Douwe Blumberg)
8. 06:04 AM - Re: tense about cables (Michael Weston)
9. 08:36 AM - Dan Helsper - Master Prop Carver (Gary Boothe)
10. 08:50 AM - Re: tail hinges (nightmare)
11. 10:15 AM - Re: tail hinges (taildrags)
12. 10:19 AM - Re: tail brace cables (taildrags)
13. 11:37 AM - You want to see some real talent? (danhelsper@aol.com)
14. 12:56 PM - Re: tail hinges (nightmare)
15. 01:12 PM - Re: tail hinges (taildrags)
16. 04:13 PM - Carollton Ga. Gang (Bill R)
17. 04:33 PM - Re: Carollton Ga. Gang (Gardiner Mason)
18. 07:41 PM - Re: tail hinges (nightmare)
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Subject: | Re: Ailerons, up and down |
To add, one needs to seal the aileron gap. The ailerons will be very less effective
the slower the air-speed do to the air bleed between the gap. The gap on
an aileron is only good if you have a "Frise" design aileron.
Seal it anyway you want, just seal it for the full length of the aileron. More
of a safe control issue.
WF2
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Subject: | Re: tense about cables |
Michael,
uhh..........love you man, but you know, you have opened a very sore subjec
t once again. Bones of contention long-ago buried but now once again brough
t to the surface to be rehashed and relived with opened wounds. So many dis
agreements...."DING"..."WANG"...."DUNNNGG".... But of course my friend Gary
is correct, with the proper "TWANG". Proof positive is the result. His air
plane flies perfectly,....like mine.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
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From: Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net>
Sent: Thu, Feb 13, 2014 6:06 pm
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: tense about cables
Michael,
Did you know that the matronics web site has a search engine? If you input
"Cable Tension", you will see 101 entries!
The answer is simply a dull "THWANG." Make all the same tone and you'll be
golden.
Gary Boothe
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael
Weston
Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2014 3:09 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: tense about cables
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hey,i'm making the brace cables for the fin and horizontal stabilizer,
but... how tight should they be, and what is the procedure for checking?
thanks mike w.
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Subject: | Re: tense about cables |
Michael? Who me? Only my mother calls me Michael... This must mean I'm in trouble.
Sorry.
I can't rely on the "twang", I'm tone deaf. Can't carry a tune in a bucket...
Evenly Gutensnug? Does that work?
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If you're considering nut plates... here's what I just learned...
The aircraft variants are lock nuts. You have to push on a phillips decently to
get them in. If you install the nut plates with nails or glue, you'll likely
pop one loose. Then you've got a mess...
I just redid all of mine with #2 wood screws to hold the nut plates. Also, use
BRAND NEW phillips fasteners and a BRAND NEW screwdriver. Or, better yet, use
a fancy new fangled drive (square, T series, perhaps hex) that'll prevent you
from having to push at all, lessening the chance of taking one loose during
installation.
You can make your own nut plates too, using a pinched style of lock nut by brazing
to a plate. I wouldn't use nylon in this case since the brazing would probably
mess up the nylon...
Probably don't have to use lock nuts, just preflight well, or use lock washers
on the outside. I'd cover the part with fasteners partially inserted to prevent
any paint substance from getting inside them during covering and painting.
Can't really clean lock nuts effectively with a tap afterwards, without removing
most of the "lock".
Sans lock nuts at all, I'd use fine thread as that's better for vibration resistance.
Regular threads are for strength.
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Subject: | Re: tense about cables |
Woops...but of course..... I meant to say.... "THWANG".
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
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From: danhelsper <danhelsper@aol.com>
Sent: Fri, Feb 14, 2014 7:13 am
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: tense about cables
Michael,
uhh..........love you man, but you know, you have opened a very sore subjec
t once again. Bones of contention long-ago buried but now once again brough
t to the surface to be rehashed and relived with opened wounds. So many dis
agreements...."DING"..."WANG"...."DUNNNGG".... But of course my friend Gary
is correct, with the proper "TWANG". Proof positive is the result. His air
plane flies perfectly,....like mine.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net>
Sent: Thu, Feb 13, 2014 6:06 pm
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: tense about cables
Michael,
Did you know that the matronics web site has a search engine? If you input
"Cable Tension", you will see 101 entries!
The answer is simply a dull "THWANG." Make all the same tone and you'll be
golden.
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael
Weston
Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2014 3:09 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: tense about cables
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hey,i'm making the brace cables for the fin and horizontal stabilizer,
but... how tight should they be, and what is the procedure for checking?
thanks mike w.
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Subject: | tense about cables |
"THWANG" in California could easily be "TWANG" in Tennessee.
Gary Boothe
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
danhelsper@aol.com
Sent: Friday, February 14, 2014 5:44 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: tense about cables
Woops...but of course..... I meant to say.... "THWANG".
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
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From: danhelsper <danhelsper@aol.com>
Sent: Fri, Feb 14, 2014 7:13 am
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: tense about cables
Michael,
uhh..........love you man, but you know, you have opened a very sore subject
once again. Bones of contention long-ago buried but now once again brought
to the surface to be rehashed and relived with opened wounds. So many
disagreements...."DING"..."WANG"...."DUNNNGG".... But of course my friend
Gary is correct, with the proper "TWANG". Proof positive is the result. His
airplane flies perfectly,....like mine.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net>
Sent: Thu, Feb 13, 2014 6:06 pm
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: tense about cables
Michael,
Did you know that the matronics web site has a search engine? If you input
"Cable Tension", you will see 101 entries!
The answer is simply a dull "THWANG." Make all the same tone and you'll be
golden.
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
<mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com?> ] On Behalf Of Michael
Weston
Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2014 3:09 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: tense about cables
--> <smikewest@comcast.net>
hey,i'm making the brace cables for the fin and horizontal stabilizer,
but... how tight should they be, and what is the procedure for checking?
thanks mike w.
" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
tp://forums.matronics.com
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Subject: | tail brace cables |
Hey Mike,
A dull "thwang" is the basic advice I received when I asked. It's hard to
quantify many things on a Piet and this seems to be one of them. I think
good common sense dictates here, so here's some basic common sense things to
put into the mix.
1. it's a wood structure so the cables shouldn't exert unnecessary
force.
2. the tail group is in the prop wash and really want a lot, so you
don't want the cables to allow for ANY movement.
3. the tail alignment makes HUGE differences to your final trim, so the
cables need to be easily adjusted during initial trim-in
I think the main thing is to have them tight enough so nothing that move,
and that they all be the same tension.
I sat in on a lecture at Brodhead where the speaker talked a lot about tail
alignment and the value of taking a lot of time in ensuring that everything
is square, including taking a measurement from the center of the fuse
somewhere up front and ensuring the horizontal stab is exactly square as
viewed from above. I worked hard to do this and she never needed a single
tweak.
Douwe
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Subject: | Re: tense about cables |
thanks guys. mike w.
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Subject: | Dan Helsper - Master Prop Carver |
I was reminded this morning.lest there be any doubt!!
https://scontent-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/t31/966161_720670207955168_1219
477678_o.jpg
Gary Boothe
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Yes Ill definitely take care to fasten my fasteners firmly. I have been using t
nuts with epoxy around perimeter of back side but after your experience I may
put a wood screw or two just outside of perimeter as well so that the head holds
it down. Thanks for advice.
Welded first hinge together last night. I cant get over how much fun im having
building these many many little parts. Just a bonus that these assembled parts
will eventually allow me to get airborne. Paul
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Paul Donahue
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I don't have anything useful to offer here, but the tail surfaces on my airplane
have the cast Vi Kapler hinges rotating on clevis pins secured by cotter pins.
My comment about them is that they are possibly the most difficult and frustrating
cotter pins to install on the entire airplane. The space in the control
surface gap is limited and it's difficult to keep the clevis pin from rotating
while you try to spread the legs of the cotter pin, and proper cotter pin
installation requires that you clip back the legs... which gives you even less
leverage to spread them and then fold them back around the clevis pin.
It's a job best done with two people, and preferably one or both persons will have
small hands. And finally, if you do it right the first time, you'll only
have to do it once. I've done it more than once.
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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Subject: | Re: tail brace cables |
I second what Douwe said, since I have looked back at the tail surfaces as I've
gone through bumpy air and they really do get buffeted around a lot from the
propwash and everything else. The brace wires should definitely not have any
slack or looseness in them, but respect the strength of the wood and don't tighten
them to Tiny Tim ukelele tension.
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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Subject: | You want to see some real talent? |
There are many many talented people on this list. Some we know about and so
me we don't.
Here are just a couple:
http://www.douwestudios.com/large_video.html
http://youtu.be/EkGNAqlkQnY
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
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Thanks Oscar. As a pain in the butt it sounds, nut and bolt probably even more
difficult.
Can only find these clevis pins on AS&S http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/hapages/clevispinsgrid.php?clickkey=5503
They say that are for secondary controls only???
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Paul Donahue
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Paul; it's not a problem... all of the flight controls on my airplane are secondary.
I am the only primary flight controller aboard.
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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Subject: | Carollton Ga. Gang |
New builder in Griffin Georgia. I am beginning a steel tube fuse Aircamper.
So far I have a box full of 4130 fittings made and have started the empenage. I
am looking for contact info for the guys in Carrolton Georgia, I understand they
built several very nice steel tube Aircampers. Any help would be appreciated.
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Subject: | Re: Carollton Ga. Gang |
Bill, contact Barry Davis in Carrollton . His phone is7703018087 after 10 am. I
have a pietenpol also in Lagrange. Gardiner Mason. 706 594 3811
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On Feb 14, 2014, at 7:13 PM, "Bill R" <brcapper@gmail.com> wrote:
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I am looking for contact info for the guys in Carrolton Georgia, I understand
they built several very nice steel tube Aircampers. Any help would be appreciated.
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Too funny. Love it
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Paul Donahue
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