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1. 07:10 AM - Volkswagen Engine (papadave)
2. 07:31 AM - Re: Volkswagen Engine (Ben Charvet)
3. 07:37 AM - cable tension (Douwe Blumberg)
4. 08:08 AM - Hello? Is this thing on? (Boatright, Jeffrey)
5. 08:18 AM - Re: Hello? Is this thing on? (Gary Boothe)
6. 10:21 AM - Re: Carollton Ga. Gang (Jeff Boatright)
7. 10:28 AM - Re: Hello? Is this thing on? (Boatright, Jeffrey)
8. 12:11 PM - Address (Gardiner Mason)
9. 12:42 PM - Re: Address (jarheadpilot82)
10. 01:17 PM - Re: Volkswagen Engine (Jeff Boatright)
11. 03:12 PM - Re: Volkswagen Engine (aviken)
12. 04:28 PM - rudder cables (Dennis Engelkenjohn)
13. 04:57 PM - Re: rudder cables (Gary Boothe)
14. 06:08 PM - Re: Ailerons, up and down (taildrags)
15. 06:24 PM - Re: Volkswagen Engine (nightmare)
16. 06:29 PM - Re: Re: Volkswagen Engine (Crandall Eldredge)
17. 06:49 PM - Re: Carollton Ga. Gang (Larry Williams)
18. 07:52 PM - steel to aluminum tube comparison (taildrags)
19. 08:23 PM - Re: Re: Volkswagen Engine (George Abernathy)
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| Subject: | Volkswagen Engine |
I'm new. Just got my plans from Andrew Pietenpol and a mechanic friend of mine
says he has several VW engines and he'd let me have one pretty cheap and I'm
wondering what are the major considerations for choosing an engine? I haven't
read the plans or manual yet and I have all of Tony Bengalis's books coming from
EAA (which I promise to read cover to cover). Do you think VW is a viable
option or a wild goose chase? Would appreciate input from the group.
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Dave
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| Subject: | Re: Volkswagen Engine |
If you do a search in the archives, this topic has been reviewed a bunch
of times. I believe it even says on the Pietenpol family website that
the VW is not an acceptable powerplant for a Piet. Most folks use a
small Continental, a Model A, or a Corvair powerplant.
Ben Charvet
On 2/15/2014 10:10 AM, papadave wrote:
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> I'm new. Just got my plans from Andrew Pietenpol and a mechanic friend of mine
says he has several VW engines and he'd let me have one pretty cheap and I'm
wondering what are the major considerations for choosing an engine? I haven't
read the plans or manual yet and I have all of Tony Bengalis's books coming
from EAA (which I promise to read cover to cover). Do you think VW is a viable
option or a wild goose chase? Would appreciate input from the group.
>
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> Dave
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Ben Charvet, PharmD
Staff Pharmacist
Parrish Medical center
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Just got back from the hangar (almost forgot the dang combination, it's been
so long!!)
I think the appropriate cable tension is signified by more of a low "thunk"
rather than a "thwang" and certainly NOT a "twang" which would be MUCH too
tight. (now for flying and landing wires, a "twang" seems appropriate)
Douwe
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| Subject: | Hello? Is this thing on? |
Hello Good People!
After a long hiatus, I'm back. I think. We'll see if this message ends up i
n my inbox. I've never left the Piet world (been flying and tinkering as mu
ch as ever), but I somehow got my email particulars messed up, so could not
post here. Then I got real busy at work. Still busy, but have finally star
ting saying "no" to some new projects.
To the gent who just joined from Griffin, GA. I'm up in Decatur and fly out
of Lenora, just south of Snellville (designator: 2GA9). Drop me a line; I'
m happy to give you a ride.
Glad to be back,
Jeff
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Jeff Boatright
Pietenpol Phlyer
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| Subject: | Re: Hello? Is this thing on? |
Welcome back, Jeff!
Gary Boothe
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Sent from my iPhone
> On Feb 15, 2014, at 8:07 AM, "Boatright, Jeffrey" <jeffboatright@emory.edu
> wrote:
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> Hello Good People!
>
> After a long hiatus, I'm back. I think. We'll see if this message ends up i
n my inbox. I've never left the Piet world (been flying and tinkering as muc
h as ever), but I somehow got my email particulars messed up, so could not p
ost here. Then I got real busy at work. Still busy, but have finally startin
g saying "no" to some new projects.
>
> To the gent who just joined from Griffin, GA. I'm up in Decatur and fly ou
t of Lenora, just south of Snellville (designator: 2GA9). Drop me a line; I'
m happy to give you a ride.
>
> Glad to be back,
>
> Jeff
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> Jeff Boatright
> Pietenpol Phlyer
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| Subject: | Re: Carollton Ga. Gang |
Hi Bill,
I'm up in Decatur, fly my Piet out of Lenora (2GA9), just south of Snellville.
Happy to give you a ride some morning or evening.
Jeff
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcinXNmvXX0
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| Subject: | Re: Hello? Is this thing on? |
Thanks Gary. It's good to be back. I saw your inflight videos. Very nice!
--
Jeffrey H. Boatright, PhD, FARVO
Associate Professor of Ophthalmology
Emory University School of Medicine
From: Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net<mailto:gboothe5@comcast.net>>
>" <pietenpol-list@matronics.com<mailto:pietenpol-list@matronics.com>>
etenpol-list@matronics.com<mailto:pietenpol-list@matronics.com>>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Hello? Is this thing on?
Welcome back, Jeff!
Gary Boothe
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Looking for skip Gadd email and phone number
. Thanks, Gardiner
Sent from my iPad
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Gardiner,
Check your email. I sent it to you there.
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Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
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| Subject: | Re: Volkswagen Engine |
Hi Dave,
Welcome to the Splendiferous world of Pietenpolers! There have been attempts over
the years to power Piets with VW engines, but there's just not enough cubic
inches there - they just don't put out the right combination of rpm, torque,
and power.
I've powered my Piet with a Continental A65 and a C-85. The A65 was fine, but the
C-85 is a lot more fun when it comes to getting two people airborne from a
short field on a hot Georgia day. No kidding.
As you may have already discovered, Piets have been powered by small Lycomings,
Contintentals, Franklins, Ford Model A, Chevy Corvair, other Ford, GM, and Mopar
engines, diesel (!) engines, and even turbine (!) engines. Which engine you
use depends on your goals.
Not to upset anyone, and YMMV, but after having played around with Corvairs and
VWs for other projects, I've found that rebuilding your own Continental is actually
the cheapest, fastest way to reliably get in the air with a two-seat airplane.
Cheap, fast, and reliable may not be at the top of your list of goals.
Maybe the fun of playing around with unique powerplants is high on your list.
The Pietepol Aircamper clearly is a GREAT vehicle for that! We're flying experimental
airplanes here, so don't let anyone stop you from experimenting!
HTH,
Jeff
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| Subject: | Re: Volkswagen Engine |
Hi Dave. Welcome to the site. I am relatively new myself, I only started building
in early Nov. last year. I too have ideas of using a non-traditional pietenpol
engine, I am in the process of ground testing a jeep 134 go-devil engine
to see if it will spin a prop up sufficiently. It may not have enough guts
to do the job, and if it doesn't I will go with something else.
I hope you enjoy your build as much as I have so far. Get to cutting and glueing
you will have a great time.
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Trying to run my rudder cables, but there is interference with the #10
diagonal. ( the 3rd from the tail post). Am using bright pink string
first to make sure everything clears and it doesn=99t. Options are
to notch the diagonal slightly and sister it with 1/8=9D plywood
or to use nylon sheet to make guides around it. Any ideas?
Dennis
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I did both! You=99ll be just fine
Gary Boothe
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dennis
Engelkenjohn
Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2014 4:34 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: rudder cables
Trying to run my rudder cables, but there is interference with the #10
diagonal. ( the 3rd from the tail post). Am using bright pink string
first to make sure everything clears and it doesn=99t. Options are
to notch the diagonal slightly and sister it with 1/8=9D plywood
or to use nylon sheet to make guides around it. Any ideas?
Dennis
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| Subject: | Re: Ailerons, up and down |
Okay, so I have my controls all rigged back up and everything is Kosher again.
I put an angle finder on the aileron and rocked the controls from stop to stop
and I find that my ailerons will travel 19 degrees up and 26 degrees down for
a total travel of 45 degrees of arc. The ailerons, horns, hinges, sticks, and
everything else seem to be constructed exactly to plans (or to tolerances that
are as exact as Air Campers are typically built). However!!! There is physically
no way that I can actually move the stick from stop to stop laterally
if I'm sitting in the airplane the stick hits the inside of my thighs.
I have small metal plates on the cockpit floor where the aileron cable horns can
hit without digging into the plywood. However, that will never happen in normal
flight due to the interference provided by the pilot's thighs.
I also got all the inspection plates and wing gap covers back in place. I'm close
to being ready to put fuel in the tank and trying to wake Scout out of hibernation.
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| Subject: | Re: Volkswagen Engine |
How about twin vws. Not really serious, but how cool would that be.
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Paul Donahue
Started 8-3-12
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Volkswagen Engine |
can you take me off your list
On Sat, Feb 15, 2014 at 7:24 PM, nightmare <pauldonahuepilot@yahoo.com>wrote:
> pauldonahuepilot@yahoo.com>
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> How about twin vws. Not really serious, but how cool would that be.
>
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> Paul Donahue
> Started 8-3-12
> do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Carollton Ga. Gang |
Be careful who you look to for ideas. The group you are referring to did NOT build
Pietenpol Air Campers. Their aircraft are so highly modified and changed from
the original that referring to them as Pietenpol's is stretching credibility
pretty far.
Look at other projects and incorporate changes that make sense to you but always
keep lightness and simplicity at the top of your list. Don't get led down the
path of modernizing or beefing-up which is a recipe for a heavy airplane that
is sure to disappoint.
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L.V.Williams
XCG, XCMR, ATP
USHPA, EAA, AMA, EPP
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| Subject: | steel to aluminum tube comparison |
Okay, so this is sort of off-topic, but I'm trying to look at an aluminum tube
that would have approximately the same strength in tension and compression as
old-timey 5/8" diameter, 22 ga. steel (presumably no more than 1049 mild steel
and possibly 1018 if it was from the 1930s). Also curious to know what the weight
difference might be once I get a cross reference.
Anybody have a handy-dandy table or chart that might give me an idea of what the
old-timey steel tubing might have been capable of? I could do it the long way
by calculating the section modulus and all that, but surely there are tables
from old machine shop books?
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| Subject: | Re: Volkswagen Engine |
It is high time some one made a carbon fiber nose with two vw engines on st
alks.-=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A From: Jeff Boatright <
jeffboatright@emory.edu>=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Sunday
, February 16, 2014 8:16 AM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Volkswagen Engin
right@emory.edu>=0A=0AHi Dave,=0A=0AWelcome to the Splendiferous world of P
ietenpolers! There have been attempts over the years to power Piets with VW
engines, but there's just not enough cubic inches there - they just don't
put out the right combination of rpm, torque, and power.=0A=0AI've powered
my Piet with a Continental A65 and a C-85. The A65 was fine, but the C-85 i
s a lot more fun when it comes to getting two people airborne from a short
field on a hot Georgia day. No kidding.=0A=0AAs you may have already discov
ered, Piets have been powered by small Lycomings, Contintentals, Franklins,
Ford Model A, Chevy Corvair, other Ford, GM, and Mopar engines, diesel (!)
engines, and even turbine (!) engines. Which engine you use depends on you
r goals. =0A=0ANot to upset anyone, and YMMV, but after having played aroun
d with Corvairs and VWs for other projects, I've found that rebuilding your
own Continental is actually the cheapest, fastest way to reliably get in t
he air with a two-seat airplane. Cheap, fast, and reliable may not be at th
e top of your list of goals. Maybe the fun of playing around with unique po
werplants is high on your list. The Pietepol Aircamper clearly is a GREAT v
ehicle for that! We're flying experimental airplanes here, so don't let any
one stop you from experimenting!=0A=0AHTH,=0A=0AJeff=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead thi
s topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=418
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