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1. 03:35 AM - Re: newsletter (bubbleboy)
2. 03:37 AM - Re: Newsletter (danhelsper@aol.com)
3. 03:48 AM - Re: fish scales (danhelsper@aol.com)
4. 03:55 AM - Re: corvair acceleration (danhelsper@aol.com)
5. 04:38 AM - Re: newsletter (tkreiner)
6. 05:00 AM - Air-Ground Communications (John Franklin)
7. 05:01 AM - Re: VW engines in Pietenpols (Vasek)
8. 05:21 AM - Re: corvair acceleration (Gary Boothe)
9. 05:44 AM - Re: VW engines in Pietenpols (jarheadpilot82)
10. 05:56 AM - Re: corvair acceleration (jarheadpilot82)
11. 05:59 AM - Re: Re: VW engines in Pietenpols (Mario Giacummo)
12. 06:11 AM - thoughts about using a good old fashioned Continental non-electric A-65 engine on a Pietenpol (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC])
13. 06:14 AM - Re: Vasek's Pietenpol project (Vasek)
14. 06:29 AM - Re: thoughts about using a good old fashioned Continental non-el (tools)
15. 06:31 AM - Re: VW engines in Pietenpols (Vasek)
16. 06:45 AM - Re: Re: VW engines in Pietenpols (Gary Boothe)
17. 06:48 AM - Re: Re: VW engines in Pietenpols (Kip and Beth Gardner)
18. 07:47 AM - Re: corvair acceleration (nightmare)
19. 08:20 AM - Re: Air-Ground Communications (Dick N)
20. 10:47 AM - Re: fish scales (taildrags)
21. 12:22 PM - Re: Re: Vasek's Pietenpol project (Steven Dortch)
22. 12:31 PM - Re: Re: corvair acceleration (Steven Dortch)
23. 12:42 PM - Re: Re: Vasek's Pietenpol project (Keith)
24. 12:54 PM - Re: Vasek's Pietenpol project (Vasek)
25. 01:04 PM - Re: Re: Vasek's Pietenpol project (Keith)
26. 01:25 PM - Re: Re: Vasek's Pietenpol project (glenschweizer@yahoo.com)
27. 01:28 PM - Re: Re: Vasek's Pietenpol project (Boatright, Jeffrey)
28. 01:28 PM - Re: Re: Vasek's Pietenpol project (Steven Dortch)
29. 03:39 PM - BPA Newslatter (JOSEPH SWITHIN)
30. 04:29 PM - Re: fish scales (AircamperN11MS)
31. 04:35 PM - Re: VW engines in Pietenpols (AircamperN11MS)
32. 04:48 PM - Re: Re: fish scales (Gary Boothe)
33. 04:51 PM - Re: fish scales (AircamperN11MS)
34. 05:22 PM - Re: Re: newsletter (Michael Conkling)
35. 06:13 PM - Re: Re: newsletter (Boatright, Jeffrey)
36. 06:56 PM - Re: corvair acceleration (Don Emch)
37. 08:28 PM - Re: fish scales (taildrags)
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Im in Australia and got mine last week! ...and how cool is that photo on the front
cover!
Scotty
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Tamworth, Australia
Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper
www.scottyspietenpol.com
Tail and Ribs built...Building fuselage & undercarriage...Corvair engine at
Roy's Garage waiting to be modified.
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Me either. I was blaming it on the W. TN U.S. mail., but I need someone els
e to blame now (looking around)....
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: Jack Phillips <jack@bedfordlandings.com>
Sent: Mon, Feb 24, 2014 5:29 pm
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Newsletter
.com>
I still haven't received my newsletter. Who is this John Hofmann, anyway?
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Boothe
Sent: Monday, February 24, 2014 6:23 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Newsletter
As expected, it took a little longer to get over the Sierra's, and arrived
today!...well worth the wait!
Nicely done, John! Happy Birthday!
Gary
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Oscar,
I gave the Official Pietenpol-List Fish Scales (why is this plural?) to Lar
ry Morlock at Brodhead last summer. I assume he still has them. As far as t
his test being a waste of time.....oh I don't know. At least it will give a
relative static thrust compared to all the other Piets that have used it (
them). That is worth something, right? If I were a new builder I would feel
a lot better and confident on my very first take-off if I knew that my pow
erplant/prop at least was in line with other proven ships that came before.
Isn't that how jet engines are rated, static thrust?
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
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From: taildrags <taildrags@hotmail.com>
Sent: Tue, Feb 25, 2014 4:22 am
Subject: Pietenpol-List: fish scales
OK, so in another couple of weeks I'll be starting to think about having Sc
out
do the thrust test with the official fish scales. Not in any hurry though.
Who
has the scales and how do I go about getting in the mailing queue to try th
em
out?
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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Subject: | Re: corvair acceleration |
Gary Boothe would be the authority on Corvair/prop combinations. He has qui
te a hit of experience in this area :O).
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: nightmare <pauldonahuepilot@yahoo.com>
Sent: Mon, Feb 24, 2014 6:16 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: corvair acceleration
om>
Hey guys . Just curious. Will be using A corvair motor and after Reading th
e
occasional post that Talks of larger props better for draggy piets. And ho
w the
corvair will accelerate slower with smaller prop. How does a 100 hp corvair
really perform against let's say a 85 he cont. ? Acceleration on takeoff an
d
climb.
I know tough question to get hard evidence because no two piets built a
like.
Maybe simple opinions on observations from the Brodhead fly in.
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Paul Donahue
Started 8-3-12
do not archive
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Nope, nothing here in Spring, TX, either! In the meantime, I'm reading old newsletters,
trying to figure it all out...
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Tom Kreiner
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Subject: | Air-Ground Communications |
FWIW: I received my BPA Newsletter yesterday!
Is it legal to communicate (VHF aircraft frequencies) with a hand-held radio from
the ground to an aircraft? Is it legal to communicate from one hand-held aircraft
radio on the ground to another hand-held radio on the ground?
Back in 1970 I had to get an RROP (Restricted Radiotelephone Operator Permit) to
use an aircraft radio but I don't think they are required anymore. A friend
of mine said the above is all not legal but when you read about the RROP, it
seems like it would be OK.
John Franklin
GN-1 / Corvair
Prairie Aire 4TA0
Needville, TX
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Subject: | Re: VW engines in Pietenpols |
Hi Bill,
thank you for your article, it is very educative :)
Let me ask you a question:
There are several variants of VW engine. The smallest is obviously too small to
power a Piet, but then we also have the bigger VWs, which have more power. I
am talking about VW with 2500ccm, which produces 85hp. What would happen if I
installed a larger propeller on it (170cm) - it would decrease the rpm, the power
will be lower but torque will increase. Am I right?
Would that be a sufficient solution?
You know, the advantage of the VW which is connected directly with the propeller
- so no reduction drive- is that you don't need to cool down the engine so much,
you don't need an electric starter. So I can save let's say 15kg in weight
and coolants, liquids.
Because this VW is lighter, it would need to be moved slightly forward, but I think
that not more than 5cm.
So if my ideas are not totaly wrong, it looks like this 2500ccm (2,5litre) VW would
be sufficient for a decent flight with a passenger in a Pietenpol.
And now I stabbed the wasp's nest
:D
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Subject: | corvair acceleration |
Thanks, Dan! Some experience, yes, but I haven't done a race horse take off
against an 85.Well..that's not exactly true.
A few months ago I did some formation flying with a 85 powered Baby Ace. The
Baby Ace is a smaller, faster plane. We lined up on the runway, with me in a
trailing position. I was off the runway before him, and stayed with him
throughout the climb out. My Piet will easily do 90mph, but it's awfully
windy at that speed. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceM4IENXrTo
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceM4IENXrTo&feature=youtu.be>
&feature=youtu.be Eventually, I throttled back and Lee dropped in behind me.
I can only say that I have been continually impressed with the Corvair
performance. There have been times when a quick slide of the throttle, and
that sudden burst of power, have saved my butt on some landings! My home
made prop is somewhere around 66 x 34, made from poplar, and weighs a hair
over 4 lbs!
Gary Boothe
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
danhelsper@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2014 3:55 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: corvair acceleration
Gary Boothe would be the authority on Corvair/prop combinations. He has
quite a hit of experience in this area :O).
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: nightmare <pauldonahuepilot@yahoo.com>
Sent: Mon, Feb 24, 2014 6:16 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: corvair acceleration
<pauldonahuepilot@yahoo.com>
Hey guys . Just curious. Will be using A corvair motor and after Reading the
occasional post that Talks of larger props better for draggy piets. And how
the
corvair will accelerate slower with smaller prop. How does a 100 hp corvair
really perform against let's say a 85 he cont. ? Acceleration on takeoff and
climb.
I know tough question to get hard evidence because no two piets built
alike.
Maybe simple opinions on observations from the Brodhead fly in.
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Paul Donahue
Started 8-3-12
do not archive
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tp://forums.matronics.com
_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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Subject: | Re: VW engines in Pietenpols |
If you are interested in a discussion of propeller efficiency based upon actual
testing, you might want to read a recent post by William Wynne at FlyCorvair.net-
http://flycorvair.net/2014/02/25/myths-about-propeller-efficency/
It is a good discussion of propeller efficiency in general and not just as it relates
to Corvair engines. A good read.
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Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
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Subject: | Re: corvair acceleration |
Paul,
Read the following post-
http://flycorvair.net/2012/10/17/pietenpol-power-100-hp-corvair-vs-65-hp-lycoming/
It discusses the replacement of a 65 HP engine with a Corvair engine and the differences
in the flight characteristics.
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Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
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Subject: | Re: VW engines in Pietenpols |
Hi Vasek,
Just an other word about the VW. When I begun the project few years ago, I
was thinking like you: "I want and I am going to fly with a VW", but now I
have an A65 on the nose.
The reasons are lots, but technicaly you can not run a VW at 3000 rpm with
a big prop; it do not work, you need to reduce the rpm with a reductin
drive to keep the big prop, and you have to modify lots of things in the
engine too. You can search what in the net.
There are VW engins flying, but not in so dragged planes, about conversion
of the engine, you can read this article too
http://www.eaa.org/experimenter/articles/2010-02_powerplants.asp visit
those builders and see what they do with the engins to make them fly safe;
lots of job an very expensive at all.
Look this thred about engines on the piet:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=98883&postdays=0&postorder
=asc&highlight=pietenpol+engines&start
Regards
Mario Giacummo
2014-02-25 11:00 GMT-02:00 Vasek <bigon2@seznam.cz>:
>
> Hi Bill,
>
> thank you for your article, it is very educative :)
>
> Let me ask you a question:
>
> There are several variants of VW engine. The smallest is obviously too
> small to power a Piet, but then we also have the bigger VWs, which have
> more power. I am talking about VW with 2500ccm, which produces 85hp. What
> would happen if I installed a larger propeller on it (170cm) - it would
> decrease the rpm, the power will be lower but torque will increase. Am I
> right?
>
> Would that be a sufficient solution?
>
> You know, the advantage of the VW which is connected directly with the
> propeller - so no reduction drive- is that you don't need to cool down th
e
> engine so much, you don't need an electric starter. So I can save let's s
ay
> 15kg in weight and coolants, liquids.
>
> Because this VW is lighter, it would need to be moved slightly forward,
> but I think that not more than 5cm.
>
> So if my ideas are not totaly wrong, it looks like this 2500ccm (2,5litre
)
> VW would be sufficient for a decent flight with a passenger in a Pietenpo
l.
>
> And now I stabbed the wasp's nest
>
> :D
>
> --------
> My production of WW1 propellers, trophies and constructions:
> =88=BC
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=419312#419312
>
>
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Subject: | thoughts about using a good old fashioned Continental |
non-electric A-65 engine on a Pietenpol
The very cool thing about a Pietenpol (or any experimental homebuilt in the
US FAR's) is that you can use ANY engine you want
but dollar for dollar, headache-for-headache, you are going to spend just
as much money, if not more in time and repair costs down
the road trying to make these other engines as cost-effective and as reliab
le as a standard old rebuilt A-65 non-electric Continental engine.
The Model A engine is way cool and many have made it reliable and powerful.
The other engine choices have more power sometimes than
a Continental but can come with an array of stuff you simply don't need on
a Continental like starters, batteries, alternators, voltage regulators,
starter ring gears, belt drives, reduction drives, ignition coils, wirin
g harnesses, fuses, circuit breakers, switches, and don't promise a long
life necessarily. Don't get me wrong, I believe we ALL have the right to
chose whatever engine we want but....and hear me out on this one....
but if you want a simple, reliable, reasonably priced engine that will not
complicate or extend your build time or 'rebuild' time the Continental
is the best, dollar for dollar, passenger ride after passenger ride.
Mike C.
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Subject: | Re: Vasek's Pietenpol project |
I don't know why but I am still wondering about the VW 2.5 litre with 85hp. However,
I am not going to buy it, I will wait till the fuselage and wing are finished
and then I will decide according to what will be available.
This is my imagination:
(Modified photo of G-BUCO - I like the cowling)
+there will be the leather belts over the cowling made of metal and wind-shields
will be made out of three flat parts.
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Subject: | Re: thoughts about using a good old fashioned Continental |
non-el
I ALWAYS wanted a Ford powered Piet. BUT, probably a lot like a lot of Piet builders
and buyers, I didn't have much experience with ANY airplane engine. I
decided I had enough stuff to learn owning and operating my first light civil
plane that the added difficulty of a non standard engine wasn't a great idea.
So I also opted for the non electric A65. REALLY HAPPY I did.
However, it being the experimental it is, I just might still build a Ford A and
put it up front. But when it comes to flying it to Brodhead or something, I'll
put the A65 back on. Can't imagine it would take more than a day once the
conversion is complete.
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Subject: | Re: VW engines in Pietenpols |
Thank you for the link.
Today I talked to a friend aircraft constructor and he could not believe that the
Pietenpol would not fly will with the VW 2.5litre 85hp engine.
...
So now we have two different opinions. What is the conclusion?
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Subject: | Re: VW engines in Pietenpols |
Has your friend ever seen a VW Piet? Neither have I.
Gary
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> On Feb 25, 2014, at 6:30 AM, "Vasek" <bigon2@seznam.cz> wrote:
>
>
> Thank you for the link.
>
> Today I talked to a friend aircraft constructor and he could not believe that
the Pietenpol would not fly will with the VW 2.5litre 85hp engine.
>
> ...
>
> So now we have two different opinions. What is the conclusion?
>
> --------
> My production of WW1 propellers, trophies and constructions:
>
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=419322#419322
>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: VW engines in Pietenpols |
Does your friend have any experience with building a Pietenpol? If
not, his opinion is exactly that, his opinion, it may or may not be
informed. There are many more than "two" opinions on this, there is
an entire history of people working with this design, and the
overwhelming experience of those who have tried it is that, yes, you
can make a VW engine work, but the time, expense and headaches would
be better devoted to something that will actually perform well on the
airplane. There are many good engine choices available, no matter
where in the world you live - look around and find something suitable
instead of putting a lot of energy into making something marginal work.
Just my 'opinion' - still planning on using a WW Corvair conversion &
hopefully restarting my project with the help of a new partner this
Spring.
Kip Gardner
On Feb 25, 2014, at 9:30 AM, Vasek wrote:
>
> Thank you for the link.
>
> Today I talked to a friend aircraft constructor and he could not
> believe that the Pietenpol would not fly will with the VW 2.5litre
> 85hp engine.
>
> ...
>
> So now we have two different opinions. What is the conclusion?
>
> --------
> My production of WW1 propellers, trophies and constructions:
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=419322#419322
>
>
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Subject: | Re: corvair acceleration |
Thanks guys. Looks like WW put out another blog today after reading the same post
that I read yesterday. Pretty much answers my question. was trying to chose
my words wisely when asking the question. I know engine selection can be a touchy
subject here and didn't want to rehash that debate. I've only ridden/flown
on PF back's fine plane and was mostly curious of runway length needed and
climb rate. Thanks guys
--------
Paul Donahue
Started 8-3-12
do not archive
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Subject: | Re: Air-Ground Communications |
John
Don't throw the old license away, It doesn't expire. You don't need it any
more in the U.S. But if you fly into Canada you are supposed to have it. I
have been into Canada many times and have never been asked for it but, who
knows.
Dick N.
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Franklin" <jbfjr@peoplepc.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2014 6:59 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Air-Ground Communications
>
> FWIW: I received my BPA Newsletter yesterday!
>
> Is it legal to communicate (VHF aircraft frequencies) with a hand-held
> radio from the ground to an aircraft? Is it legal to communicate from one
> hand-held aircraft radio on the ground to another hand-held radio on the
> ground?
>
> Back in 1970 I had to get an RROP (Restricted Radiotelephone Operator
> Permit) to use an aircraft radio but I don't think they are required
> anymore. A friend of mine said the above is all not legal but when you
> read about the RROP, it seems like it would be OK.
>
> John Franklin
> GN-1 / Corvair
> Prairie Aire 4TA0
> Needville, TX
>
>
>
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Dan; yes, it really is just a "My turn now... watch this!" type of comparison between
Piets, and it doesn't generate any useful data. I've moved on and won't
bother with it.
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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Subject: | Re: Vasek's Pietenpol project |
Just curious, Anyone used s BMW motorcycle engine?
Steve D
On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 3:16 PM, Vasek <bigon2@seznam.cz> wrote:
>
> Thank you for your advices Jack and Lorenzo.
>
> I already changed my mind with the VW engine, after I got a clear
> explanation about the torque, and after reading the Bill Church's article
.
> It would result in many complications which do not worth it..
>
> There might be some Microns available here, I will see.
>
> Another option is now another automobile engine with a reduction drive. I
> could use a Suzuki engine. I will see. Now I can build the aircraft and
> watch for offers in shops, used engines.
>
> I will use the original Pietenpol airfoil.
>
> As for the meeting in Brodhead/Oshkosh, you want me to try the first
> trans-atlantic flight with a Pietenpol? :D
>
> --------
> My production of WW1 propellers, trophies and constructions:
> =88=BC
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
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Subject: | Re: corvair acceleration |
Good article, However, the conventional wisdom on the "65HP' Lycoming is
that it was closer to 50HP. Not near as good an engine as the contenetal
Blue Skies,
Steve D
On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 7:56 AM, jarheadpilot82
<jarheadpilot82@hotmail.com>wrote:
> jarheadpilot82@hotmail.com>
>
> Paul,
>
> Read the following post-
>
>
> http://flycorvair.net/2012/10/17/pietenpol-power-100-hp-corvair-vs-65-hp-lycoming/
>
> It discusses the replacement of a 65 HP engine with a Corvair engine and
> the differences in the flight characteristics.
>
> --------
> Semper Fi,
>
> Terry Hand
> Athens, GA
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=419317#419317
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Subject: | Re: Vasek's Pietenpol project |
Yes,
I am just nearing the end of my build using a BMW K100LT engine, fitted
with a Rotax "C" gearbox with a ratio of 3 to 1.
It has the original fuel injection and electronic ignition and seems to
be OK. It gave 2250 Prop RPM when fitted with a 72" by 46", I am now
waiting for the winter rains and winds to go away so that I can fit the
new 72" by 42" prop which I hope will give me 2550 RPM.
Attached is a photograph of the engine installation.
Hoping for an engineering inspection in May.
Keith Hodge
On 25/02/2014 20:21, Steven Dortch wrote:
> Just curious, Anyone used s BMW motorcycle engine?
>
> Steve D
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 3:16 PM, Vasek <bigon2@seznam.cz
> <mailto:bigon2@seznam.cz>> wrote:
>
> <mailto:bigon2@seznam.cz>>
>
> Thank you for your advices Jack and Lorenzo.
>
> I already changed my mind with the VW engine, after I got a clear
> explanation about the torque, and after reading the Bill Church's
> article. It would result in many complications which do not worth it..
>
> There might be some Microns available here, I will see.
>
> Another option is now another automobile engine with a reduction
> drive. I could use a Suzuki engine. I will see. Now I can build
> the aircraft and watch for offers in shops, used engines.
>
> I will use the original Pietenpol airfoil.
>
> As for the meeting in Brodhead/Oshkosh, you want me to try the
> first trans-atlantic flight with a Pietenpol? :D
>
> --------
> My production of WW1 propellers, trophies and constructions:
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=419261#419261
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Vasek's Pietenpol project |
Interesting. Could I know what engine it exactly is and its specifications?
One guy who lives nearby has BMW from a motorcycle available, but I thought it
would be to weak.
Let me know, this is interesting!
[quote="steven.d.dortch(at)gmail."]Just curious, Anyone used s BMW motorcycle engine?
Steve D
On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 3:16 PM, Vasek wrote:
>
>
> Thank you for your advices Jack and Lorenzo.
>
> I already changed my mind with the VW engine, after I got a clear
> explanation about the torque, and after reading the Bill Church's article
--------
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Subject: | Re: Vasek's Pietenpol project |
4 Cylinder, water cooled, 90 HP @ 8000RPM giving 2666 Prop RPM with the
3 to 1 Rotax gearbox.
This is the in line engine.
Keith Hodge
On 25/02/2014 20:53, Vasek wrote:
>
> Interesting. Could I know what engine it exactly is and its specifications?
>
> One guy who lives nearby has BMW from a motorcycle available, but I thought it
would be to weak.
>
> Let me know, this is interesting!
>
> [quote="steven.d.dortch(at)gmail."]Just curious, Anyone used s BMW motorcycle
engine?
>
> Steve D
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 3:16 PM, Vasek wrote:
>
>
>>
>>
>> Thank you for your advices Jack and Lorenzo.
>>
>> I already changed my mind with the VW engine, after I got a clear
>> explanation about the torque, and after reading the Bill Church's article
>
> --------
> My production of WW1 propellers, trophies and constructions:
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=419342#419342
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Vasek's Pietenpol project |
Looks great. What's it weigh any idea of expected fuel cunsumption?
Sent from my iPhone
> On Feb 25, 2014, at 12:41 PM, Keith <pietenpol@hodgehome.org.uk> wrote:
>
> Yes,
>
> I am just nearing the end of my build using a BMW K100LT engine, fitted wi
th a Rotax "C" gearbox with a ratio of 3 to 1.
>
> It has the original fuel injection and electronic ignition and seems to be
OK. It gave 2250 Prop RPM when fitted with a 72" by 46", I am now waiting f
or the winter rains and winds to go away so that I can fit the new 72" by 42
" prop which I hope will give me 2550 RPM.
>
> Attached is a photograph of the engine installation.
>
> Hoping for an engineering inspection in May.
>
> Keith Hodge
>
>
>
>
>> On 25/02/2014 20:21, Steven Dortch wrote:
>> Just curious, Anyone used s BMW motorcycle engine?
>>
>> Steve D
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 3:16 PM, Vasek <bigon2@seznam.cz> wrote:
>>>
>>> Thank you for your advices Jack and Lorenzo.
>>>
>>> I already changed my mind with the VW engine, after I got a clear explan
ation about the torque, and after reading the Bill Church's article. It woul
d result in many complications which do not worth it..
>>>
>>> There might be some Microns available here, I will see.
>>>
>>> Another option is now another automobile engine with a reduction drive. I
could use a Suzuki engine. I will see. Now I can build the aircraft and wat
ch for offers in shops, used engines.
>>>
>>> I will use the original Pietenpol airfoil.
>>>
>>> As for the meeting in Brodhead/Oshkosh, you want me to try the first tra
ns-atlantic flight with a Pietenpol? :D
>>>
>>> --------
>>> My production of WW1 propellers, trophies and constructions:
>>> =88=BC
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>
>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=419261#419261
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Subject: | Re: Vasek's Pietenpol project |
Who remembers Earl Klebs? Real nice guy. He built an Aircamper several
years ago, and I think he did it in just a handful of months so that he
could attend the Brodhead fly-in that celebrated the 70th or 75th
anniversary of the Aircamper. His was NOT powered by a BMW, but he did
have a BMW connection.
Earl is (was?) a character and he gets things done. Built his own home,
and it was an octagon. Said he didn't like 90 degree corners. Built a real
sportscar from scratch. Raced it locally and won. Earl was to Brodhead a
few years ago, but I haven't heard from him since. Hope he's doing well.
In any event, one day Earl is driving down a road near his home in NE OK.
See's a guy in the ditch with a motorcycle laying nearby. Somehow the kid
had run off the road and was beat up a little. Earl tosses the bike (an
older 25 HP BMW flat twin) into the bed of the pickup and tosses the kid
in the front. Gets the kid to the hospital, and while they're waiting in
the ER waiting room, asks the kid what he's going to do with that
moto-sickle (which was not too beat up, unlike the kid). Kid says "Mister,
I don't ever wanna see it again!" Earl offers him $20 and the kid says
"Sold!"
I don't think Early ever followed up on the kid's recovery (maybe he can
correct me if he's on this list), but he DID hang that BMW flat twin off
the front end of an ultralight and went flying.
Do not archive
--
Jeffrey H. Boatright, PhD, FARVO
Associate Professor of Ophthalmology
Emory University School of Medicine
On 2/25/14 3:53 PM, "Vasek" <bigon2@seznam.cz> wrote:
>
>Interesting. Could I know what engine it exactly is and its
>specifications?
>
>One guy who lives nearby has BMW from a motorcycle available, but I
>thought it would be to weak.
>
>Let me know, this is interesting!
>
>[quote="steven.d.dortch(at)gmail."]Just curious, Anyone used s BMW
>motorcycle engine?
>
>Steve D
>
>
>On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 3:16 PM, Vasek wrote:
>
>
>>
>>
>> Thank you for your advices Jack and Lorenzo.
>>
>> I already changed my mind with the VW engine, after I got a clear
>> explanation about the torque, and after reading the Bill Church's
>>article
>
>
>--------
>My production of WW1 propellers, trophies and constructions:
> 14
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=419342#419342
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Subject: | Re: Vasek's Pietenpol project |
Very interesting, What is the end Horsepower at what RPM and what weight?
How about the BMW Opposed twin? It would look like a natural. but would
also need a Reduction drive.
Steve D
On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 2:41 PM, Keith <pietenpol@hodgehome.org.uk> wrote:
> Yes,
>
> I am just nearing the end of my build using a BMW K100LT engine, fitted
> with a Rotax "C" gearbox with a ratio of 3 to 1.
>
> It has the original fuel injection and electronic ignition and seems to b
e
> OK. It gave 2250 Prop RPM when fitted with a 72" by 46", I am now waiting
> for the winter rains and winds to go away so that I can fit the new 72" b
y
> 42" prop which I hope will give me 2550 RPM.
>
> Attached is a photograph of the engine installation.
>
> Hoping for an engineering inspection in May.
>
> Keith Hodge
>
>
> On 25/02/2014 20:21, Steven Dortch wrote:
>
> Just curious, Anyone used s BMW motorcycle engine?
>
> Steve D
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 3:16 PM, Vasek <bigon2@seznam.cz> wrote:
>
>>
>> Thank you for your advices Jack and Lorenzo.
>>
>> I already changed my mind with the VW engine, after I got a clear
>> explanation about the torque, and after reading the Bill Church's articl
e.
>> It would result in many complications which do not worth it..
>>
>> There might be some Microns available here, I will see.
>>
>> Another option is now another automobile engine with a reduction drive.
I
>> could use a Suzuki engine. I will see. Now I can build the aircraft and
>> watch for offers in shops, used engines.
>>
>> I will use the original Pietenpol airfoil.
>>
>> As for the meeting in Brodhead/Oshkosh, you want me to try the first
>> trans-atlantic flight with a Pietenpol? :D
>>
>> --------
>> My production of WW1 propellers, trophies and constructions:
>> =88=BC
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=419261#419261
>>
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John,
My copy made it to Illinois today. Looks great!
Joe Swithin
Morris, IL
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Hey, I have an idea. How about the scale find its way to Frazeur Lake for the Piet
gathering. We could have a pull off. Perhaps send it t to Chris Tracy.
--------
Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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Subject: | Re: VW engines in Pietenpols |
Besides all the above. The engine mount would need to be six feet long. It doesn't
weigh enough.
--------
Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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[Like]
Gary
NX30MB (I'll be happy just making it there!!)
Sent from my iPhone
> On Feb 25, 2014, at 4:29 PM, "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld@lacity.org> wrote:
>
>
> Hey, I have an idea. How about the scale find its way to Frazeur Lake for the
Piet gathering. We could have a pull off. Perhaps send it t to Chris Tracy.
>
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> Scott Liefeld
> Flying N11MS since March 1972
> Steel Tube
> C-85-12
> Wire Wheels
> Brodhead in 1996
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Us too.
--------
Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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Hello Good People!
Have faith -- it's got to be close! Our copy has arrived in South Central
Kansas.
Mike C. (yet another one...)
Pretty Prairie, KS
On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 6:37 AM, tkreiner <tkreiner@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Nope, nothing here in Spring, TX, either! In the meantime, I'm reading
> old newsletters, trying to figure it all out...
>
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>
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Bruce, I'd like you to meet Bruce.
Old Monty Python skit: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_f_p0CgPeyA
--
Jeffrey H. Boatright, PhD, FARVO
Associate Professor of Ophthalmology
Emory University School of Medicine
From: Michael Conkling <jmconkling@gmail.com<mailto:jmconkling@gmail.com>>
>" <pietenpol-list@matronics.com<mailto:pietenpol-list@matronics.com>>
etenpol-list@matronics.com<mailto:pietenpol-list@matronics.com>>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: newsletter
Hello Good People!
Have faith -- it's got to be close! Our copy has arrived in South Central
Kansas.
Mike C. (yet another one...)
Pretty Prairie, KS
On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 6:37 AM, tkreiner <tkreiner@gmail.com<mailto:tkrein
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:tkreiner@gmail.com>>
Nope, nothing here in Spring, TX, either! In the meantime, I'm reading old
newsletters, trying to figure it all out...
--------
Tom Kreiner
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Subject: | Re: corvair acceleration |
I do have to say that I looove my Continental A-65 in my Piet. It is very simple
and near bullet proof. Although I've done very little to it, it is enjoyable
to work on. There's just not much to them! Because of my experiences, I like
to recommend the Continental to the Piet builders.
My main experiences with the Corvair however, are fairly limited. Most of my experience
consists of being outrun and out climbed by Shad. In a few trips to
and from Brodhead and Oshkosh I've found this out. Once when flying home from
Oshkosh I was following Shad and he decided to just pop up above the layer of
clouds. He went on up and I followed. I had to wallow around a cloud on the
way up. Meanwhile he was already up there. Another time we were somewhere
over Northern Indiana and the storms were building around us. We were 40 or 50
miles from our stop and he just motored on ahead of me to beat the stuff. Then
there was last year, my dad (in the Chief) and I took off ahead of him and
he said he'd catch up. He needed to fuel up yet. I thought... yeah, right,
see at the next stop on the ground. After about 40 minutes... here comes Shad
motoring up alongside me. Shad's a really sharp guy though and any engine is
only as good as the last guy that worked on it.
Still, I like my Continental. :-)
Don Emch
NX899DE
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I'll be fine with a pull-off at Frazier Lake in June if Gary will park "Samson"
(his airplane) and be the judge, then the rest of us 90-lb weaklings can strain
and stretch against the mighty fish scales.
And to answer Dan's question about why "scales" are plural, I guess it goes back
to when they used the old balance scales with a little pan on each end of a
balance beam.
I plan to take some of my brass data plates to Frazier Lake in case anybody wants
to buy some, but maybe I'll put some up as prizes in the pull-off.
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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