---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 02/26/14: 19 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:18 AM - Re: Re: fish scales (Gary Boothe) 2. 07:38 AM - Re: Re: fish scales (l.morlock) 3. 10:31 AM - Re: corvair acceleration (VanDy) 4. 11:25 AM - Re: fish scales (BYD) 5. 11:48 AM - Re: Re: fish scales (Brian Kenney) 6. 05:01 PM - Re: newsletter (AircamperN11MS) 7. 05:33 PM - Cold Sortie (TriScout) 8. 05:36 PM - prop is done (Rick Schreiber) 9. 06:03 PM - Re: prop is done (Gary Boothe) 10. 06:06 PM - Re: prop is done (taildrags) 11. 06:26 PM - Re: Re: prop is done (Rick Schreiber) 12. 07:22 PM - Re: prop is done (taildrags) 13. 07:27 PM - Re: prop is done (taildrags) 14. 08:44 PM - Re: Air-Ground Communications (taildrags) 15. 09:17 PM - Re: Ailerons, up and down (Mild Bill) 16. 09:20 PM - oil recommendation (taildrags) 17. 09:43 PM - Re: Piet airfoils (Mild Bill) 18. 10:58 PM - Re: VW engines in Pietenpols (aerocarjake) 19. 11:02 PM - Re: Re: VW engines in Pietenpols (Out of Office) (TOM STINEMETZE) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:18:26 AM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: fish scales It's Mike Groah you need to worry about...His beautiful Piet puts me to shame! Gary Boothe NX308MB -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of taildrags Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2014 8:28 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: fish scales --> I'll be fine with a pull-off at Frazier Lake in June if Gary will park "Samson" (his airplane) and be the judge, then the rest of us 90-lb weaklings can strain and stretch against the mighty fish scales. And to answer Dan's question about why "scales" are plural, I guess it goes back to when they used the old balance scales with a little pan on each end of a balance beam. I plan to take some of my brass data plates to Frazier Lake in case anybody wants to buy some, but maybe I'll put some up as prizes in the pull-off. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=419370#419370 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:38:22 AM PST US From: "l.morlock" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: fish scales I have the fish scale(s) and will be happy to send it (them) to whomever wants to be the next one "in charge." Just send me the address. Larry Morlock ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Boothe" Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2014 8:17 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: fish scales > > It's Mike Groah you need to worry about...His beautiful Piet puts me to > shame! > > Gary Boothe > NX308MB > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of taildrags > Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2014 8:28 PM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: fish scales > > --> > > I'll be fine with a pull-off at Frazier Lake in June if Gary will park > "Samson" (his airplane) and be the judge, then the rest of us 90-lb > weaklings can strain and stretch against the mighty fish scales. > > And to answer Dan's question about why "scales" are plural, I guess it > goes > back to when they used the old balance scales with a little pan on each > end > of a balance beam. > > I plan to take some of my brass data plates to Frazier Lake in case > anybody > wants to buy some, but maybe I'll put some up as prizes in the pull-off. > > -------- > Oscar Zuniga > Medford, OR > Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" > A75 power > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=419370#419370 > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 10:31:51 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: corvair acceleration From: "VanDy" I'm pretty sure grandpa didnt run it easy either! It is currently slowly going back together in my garage right now, and I would bet money that it is about the lightest one out there. Built strictly to plans with no bells or whistles included! The engine is per B.H. Pietenpols conversion with the blower on top and the cowl like "The Last Original" We even camped out on the original Pietenpol Field in Cherry Grove, no hangar but we did walk into town and look at his old shop and talk to a couple of the locals. Jeff Boatright wrote: > Fastest Piet I ever saw was Vandervoort's, which was powered by the > original-style, Bernard Pietenpol version of a Corvair version. Didn't > seem to have any problem getting Vandervoort up into the blue, either, and > he was not tiny. > > -- > > Jeffrey H. Boatright, PhD, FARVO > Associate Professor of Ophthalmology > Emory University School of Medicine > > > > > On 2/24/14 7:27 PM, "taildrags" wrote: > > > > > > > > Paul; > > > > I can only relate my own experience, and here it is. I left a fly-in on > > a nice mild sunny afternoon in Texas, field elevation maybe 600'MSL. I > > was not at gross, maybe half fuel, but two aboard. My airplane has a > > fresh A75. We were just about leveled off at our cruise altitude of > > maybe 2500-3000' headed home when out of nowhere from behind us comes > > "Axel" Purtee in his Corvair-powered Piet, also two aboard, and formed up > > on our wing for photos. Mind you, we had about a 10 minute head start > > and he had caught up with us. After the photos he firewalled it and > > walked away. His "Fat Bottomed Girl" weighed more than my airplane. The > > Corvair is a very competent engine for the Air Camper. > > > > -------- > > Oscar Zuniga > > Medford, OR > > Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" > > A75 power > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=419280#419280 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > This e-mail message (including any attachments) is for the sole use of > the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged > information. If the reader of this message is not the intended > recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution > or copying of this message (including any attachments) is strictly > prohibited. > > If you have received this message in error, please contact > the sender by reply e-mail message and destroy all copies of the > original message (including attachments). -------- A&P/IA Recreational Pilot - working on Private http://www.buckeye-aviation.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=419382#419382 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 11:25:54 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: fish scales From: "BYD" brian.kenney(at)live.ca wrote: > Static thrust tests are really a waste of time. As static thrust is a force and nothing is moving there is no work being done. Static thrust is generally proportional to the diameter of the propeller. The twist effects it if there is part of the blade stalled but little of this matters until you are near climb speed. So don't bother unless you are comparing one propeller to two different motors and then rpm is more important anyway. > > Brian Kenney > > Sent from my iPad > > The tradition of testing with a scale started with BHP himself. Whenever he was testing a new engine/prop combination, hed hitch the plane to a fence post and measure the pull if it matched the figure he previously got from a well flying ship, he would assume it would at least get in the air. Somewhere, someone asked about comparisons between different power-plants and I can add that a partner and myself attended Brodhead one year specifically to compare and decide on what power-plant we wanted to use (we both had been building with conventional engines in mind). After watching the climb out of all the combinations present and he taking a ride in a Corvair powered ship and myself in a Model-A version, we decided on the Model-A. It truly surprised us comparing the climb out with passenger, how well the model-A performed. We had to cutup the firewalls of our projects after returning home. Not conclusive or scientific, but maybe itll help whomever asked. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=419384#419384 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 11:48:34 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: fish scales From: Brian Kenney Climb is the critical time for a low powered aircraft. it should be the only time that the aircraft should use its maximum power. If it can't reach max rpm in a climb then it will never reach max horsepower and effectively you have a smaller engine than you think. You can then argue about what climb speed? The temperature should be warm and the climb should not be realistically too slow. I like to think that the propeller is like a one speed transmission. You need to get it at the right ratio for the worst condition. Back to static thrust - take a tractor pull on a tree stump. In low gear you have lots of pull and in high not so much. Same motor. In the comparison static thrust is all about the propeller like the transmission and not the motor Cheers Sent from my iPad > On Feb 27, 2014, at 8:28 AM, "BYD" wrote: > > > > brian.kenney(at)live.ca wrote: >> Static thrust tests are really a waste of time. As static thrust is a force and nothing is moving there is no work being done. Static thrust is generally proportional to the diameter of the propeller. The twist effects it if there is part of the blade stalled but little of this matters until you are near climb speed. So don't bother unless you are comparing one propeller to two different motors and then rpm is more important anyway. >> >> Brian Kenney >> >> Sent from my iPad > > > > > The tradition of testing with a scale started with BHP himself. Whenever he was testing a new engine/prop combination, hed hitch the plane to a fence post and measure the pull if it matched the figure he previously got from a well flying ship, he would assume it would at least get in the air. > > Somewhere, someone asked about comparisons between different power-plants and I can add that a partner and myself attended Brodhead one year specifically to compare and decide on what power-plant we wanted to use (we both had been building with conventional engines in mind). After watching the climb out of all the combinations present and he taking a ride in a Corvair powered ship and myself in a Model-A version, we decided on the Model-A. It truly surprised us comparing the climb out with passenger, how well the model-A performed. We had to cutup the firewalls of our projects after returning home. > > Not conclusive or scientific, but maybe itll help whomever asked. > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=419384#419384 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:01:36 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: newsletter From: "AircamperN11MS" Well John, I must say that you have done an outstanding job on the newsletter. I received my issue today and have read it cover to cover. Kudos. Thank you for taking time away from flying to give us folks something to read and hold on to. Cheers, -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=419392#419392 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 05:33:27 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Cold Sortie From: "TriScout" Cold Recon.. 40 deg on ground..32 aloft. Not too shabby if you suit up. I can easily see x-country in cold wx...nosig http://youtu.be/JAo89ONwokU -------- KLNC A65-8 N2308C AN Hardware Airframe 724TT W72CK-42 Sensenich Standard Factory GN-1 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=419394#419394 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 05:36:23 PM PST US From: Rick Schreiber Subject: Pietenpol-List: prop is done I just heard from Jay and Carmen Anderson at Cloudcars Props and my prop is done and ready for shipping! Its the one in the center of the photo. If any one is interested the other two props, they are sister props to mine and are available from Jay. The props are reverse rotation for a Corvair engine, 68 inches x 34 pitch. This is the same prop style and specs that Kevin Purtee and others have used on Corvair powered Piets. new props Jay may also have another similar prop available, but 68" x 29 pitch. This is the first prop that Kevin started with. Her is a picture of the prop on my Piet last year...... used prop If anyone is interested in these props contact Jay at cloudcars@verizon.net Rick Schreiber NX478RS Valparaiso, IN ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 06:03:12 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: prop is done From: Gary Boothe Nice!!!! Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 26, 2014, at 5:35 PM, Rick Schreiber wrote: > > I just heard from Jay and Carmen Anderson at Cloudcars Props and my prop i s done and ready for shipping! Its the one in the center of the photo. If an y one is interested the other two props, they are sister props to mine and a re available from Jay. The props are reverse rotation for a Corvair engine, 6 8 inches x 34 pitch. This is the same prop style and specs that Kevin Purtee and others have used on Corvair powered Piets. > > > > Jay may also have another similar prop available, but 68" x 29 pitch. This is the first prop that Kevin started with. Her is a picture of the prop on my Piet last year...... > > > > If anyone is interested in these props contact Jay at cloudcars@verizon. net > > Rick Schreiber > NX478RS > Valparaiso, IN > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 06:06:32 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: prop is done From: "taildrags" For some reason I thought that Kevin had been flying a 66" ground-adjustable prop. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=419399#419399 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 06:26:58 PM PST US From: Rick Schreiber Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: prop is done On 2/26/2014 8:06 PM, taildrags wrote: > > For some reason I thought that Kevin had been flying a 66" ground-adjustable prop. > > -------- > Oscar Zuniga > Medford, OR > Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" > A75 power > > Kevin has/had two props. He used a ground adjustable Warp Drive prop for travel and the Cloudcars prop for flyins like Brodhead. Rick Schreiber NX478RS ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 07:22:05 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: prop is done From: "taildrags" Well, I'll have to go back to see if Kevin ever posted any observations on how the Cloudcars performed relative to the Warp Drive. Appearance wise, there is no comparison... the sword of Abdullah wins the prize! Time for an archive search... -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=419403#419403 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 07:27:00 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: prop is done From: "taildrags" I'll save everyone else the trouble of searching for Kevin's post. Here it is (snipped): ======== Ive taken so much abuse for the ugly-but-effective Warp Drive prop that I broke down and bought a wooden prop from Cloudcars. It is 68x34. They originally sent me a 68X27 which Jay calculated to be similar in pitch to my Warp at 7.5 degrees. It wasnt enough pitch. They very kindly provided another propeller. It appears to have a little more functional pitch than the Warp. The plane climbs a little slower, but still at better than 500 fpm, and flies about 10% faster. Since were not allowed to fly our Cloudcars in the rain I may switch to the Warp for traveling to and from Brodhead, and then use the pretty wooden prop while there. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=419404#419404 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 08:44:06 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Air-Ground Communications From: "taildrags" John asked- >Is it legal to communicate (VHF aircraft frequencies) with >a hand-held radio from the ground to an aircraft? Is it legal >to communicate from one hand-held aircraft radio on the ground >to another hand-held radio on the ground? I wondered the same thing myself, some years ago while doing just that. My understanding of the use of aircraft radios without the old radiotelephone operator's license is that the aircraft radios (and, by extension, their operator) are now permitted to be operated under a blanket approval under the CFRs, on the air band frequencies assigned for each purpose. Ground vehicles and stations are also permitted to operate on those frequencies and you hear them talking to Ground all the time (fuel trucks, airport maintenance vehicles, etc.). However, I don't think it's generally legal to conduct the types of operations that you ask about. BUT-!!! Check out this excellent website that summarizes the approved uses for each of the air band frequencies: http://www.jneuhaus.com/fccindex/aviation.html Look at the frequencies 123.125-123.575, which are for flight test stations. Click on the letter "J" to view the applicable Subpart that covers the use of those frequencies. It looks like a license must be applied for to use that frequency, but it's an option. Also look at 121.95, 123.3, and 123.5... "aviation support stations for pilot training" and other such functions. I have always used 122.75, the frequency for private aircraft air-to-air communications, and have not had anyone tell me not to use it for test flight communications and the like. My guess is if you're not using it for chat and BS, the worst that could happen is somebody could caution you not to use it. I am NOT an expert in this matter AT ALL, although I do have one of those old RROPs and I was once a Novice class amateur radio operator (WN5ODE). -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=419409#419409 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 09:17:39 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Ailerons, up and down From: "Mild Bill" tools wrote: > .... > > Bob Denver most likely died because a fuel valve was moved from the design point... Now, did the original designer put it where it was due to some design genius he had? Probably not... but the change did result in a short guy not being able to reach it, and had catastrophic results on down the incident chain of events. > > .... jarheadpilot82 wrote: > Tools, > > John Denver, the singer died in the airplane. Bob Denver, aka "Gilligan" of Island fame died of cancer in 2005. > > Small point not germane to the discussion but worth correcting nonetheless. > > Skipper The NTSB report makes for very interesting reading. Mostly Dragnet style - "The facts, ma'am, just the facts." Here it is: http://www.airsafe.com/events/celebs/ntsb-denver-factual.pdf -------- Bill Frank Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=419412#419412 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 09:20:50 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: oil recommendation From: "taildrags" Good ol' archives! I'm getting ready to change the oil on my A75 and started doing some research since I'm now up in Oregon rather than down in Texas and I was concerned about what viscosity and type to use up here. Cut to the chase, I settled on Aeroshell W100, straight 50 weight, but I hit the archives and searched on 'Aeroshell' because I knew I had asked the question about oil for Continentals when I first got the airplane. From January 2006, from Jack Phillips: >I ran straight mineral oil (SAE 50 wt) in mine for the first 25 hours >for break-in. Since then I've been running Aeroshell Oil W 100, >Ashless Dispersant (which is also what I've run in every plane >I've ever owned, including a J-3 with an A65 Continental). Thanks again, Jack! Anyway, what I learned from my research was that we don't need to spend money on synthetics in the small Continentals... the benefits of the synthetics are that they hold up better under high temperatures (which we don't run) and they retain their properties for much longer (which we don't need since we change our oil frequently in these engines that have no oil filter). And we don't need multi-viscosity oils because it seems that they don't cling to the metal parts as long as straight-grade oils, which is important if the engine sits any length of time, which aircraft tend to do. Seeing as how Chief Aircraft is right in my backyard, I stopped in and picked up a case of W100... and some new spools of .041 and .032 safety wire, too ;o) -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=419413#419413 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 09:43:06 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet airfoils From: "Mild Bill" >From the link "Pietenpol Airfoil - smoothed and points added for XFOIL analysis" at http://www.airminded.net/piet/piet.html : 1.0 0.003324511 0.983333333 0.007371069 0.966666667 0.011419437 0.95 0.015466848 0.933333333 0.019511597 0.916666667 0.023551872 0.9 0.027585375 0.883333333 0.031608982 0.866666667 0.035618303 0.85 0.03960711 0.833333333 0.043566745 0.816666667 0.047486195 0.8 0.051353603 0.783333333 0.055159453 0.766666667 0.058899455 0.75 0.062574057 0.733333333 0.066184717 0.716666667 0.069730517 0.7 0.07320774 0.683333333 0.076610323 0.666666667 0.079926447 0.65 0.083131377 0.633333333 0.086184472 0.616666667 0.089043745 0.6 0.091688965 0.583333333 0.09413457 0.566666667 0.096417845 0.55 0.09857832 0.533333333 0.100642113 0.516666667 0.102616648 0.5 0.104489513 0.483333333 0.106232118 0.466666667 0.107811775 0.45 0.109204015 0.433333333 0.110397992 0.416666667 0.111394568 0.4 0.112202348 0.383333333 0.112831847 0.366666667 0.1132884 0.35 0.113566172 0.333333333 0.113642325 0.316666667 0.113472383 0.3 0.113003743 0.283333333 0.112224492 0.266666667 0.111181008 0.25 0.10993856 0.233333333 0.108552502 0.216666667 0.107055488 0.2 0.105434702 0.191666667 0.104552952 0.183333333 0.103599495 0.175 0.10255355 0.166666667 0.101397348 0.158333333 0.100114312 0.15 0.098677812 0.141666667 0.097041682 0.133333333 0.095147857 0.125 0.09295502 0.116666667 0.09048015 0.108333333 0.087785458 0.1 0.084889483 0.091666667 0.081725082 0.0875 0.080017742 0.083333333 0.078223943 0.079166667 0.07634958 0.075 0.074404158 0.070833333 0.072397613 0.066666667 0.070337138 0.0625 0.068225007 0.058333333 0.066058712 0.054166667 0.063832023 0.05 0.061536152 0.045833333 0.059161227 0.041666667 0.056698157 0.0375 0.054140107 0.033333333 0.051483192 0.029166667 0.048726137 0.025 0.045868575 0.020833333 0.042907297 0.016666667 0.039829513 0.0125 0.036598417 0.008453424 0.033213243 0.006115179 0.031034972 0.004966654 0.029847172 0.003854819 0.028565183 0.002820217 0.027168667 0.00191922 0.0256471 0.001196105 0.02400983 0.000651377 0.022282095 0.000262064 0.020486015 3.60383E-05 0.018636102 2.92697E-05 0.016756457 0.000328321 0.01489865 0.001009116 0.013144177 0.002084945 0.011581541 0.003495569 0.010275528 0.005132964 0.009249303 0.006876884 0.00848373 0.008624848 0.007930212 0.011904731 0.007238628 0.014817507 0.006840207 0.017452715 0.006573168 0.020833333 0.00630151 0.025 0.006022723 0.029166667 0.00577189 0.033333333 0.005531857 0.0375 0.0052941 0.041666667 0.005053488 0.045833333 0.004805994 0.05 0.004547607 0.054166667 0.004274298 0.058333333 0.00398298 0.0625 0.003672644 0.066666667 0.00334557 0.070833333 0.003008542 0.075 0.002672957 0.079166667 0.002352671 0.083333333 0.002061122 0.0875 0.001808389 0.091666667 0.001598386 0.1 0.001286121 0.108333333 0.00104599 0.116666667 0.000812114 0.125 0.000599512 0.133333333 0.00046095 0.141666667 0.000421112 0.15 0.000470511 0.158333333 0.000591414 0.166666667 0.000772877 0.175 0.00101435 0.183333333 0.00131906 0.191666667 0.001686423 0.2 0.002109238 0.216666667 0.003075571 0.233333333 0.004132453 0.25 0.005220542 0.266666667 0.00630288 0.283333333 0.007353488 0.3 0.008337853 0.316666667 0.009195705 0.333333333 0.009868694 0.35 0.010340993 0.366666667 0.010630858 0.383333333 0.010764645 0.4 0.010764426 0.416666667 0.010645592 0.433333333 0.010418831 0.45 0.010092507 0.466666667 0.009672133 0.483333333 0.009157453 0.5 0.008541663 0.516666667 0.007820073 0.533333333 0.007005625 0.55 0.006139117 0.566666667 0.005277438 0.583333333 0.004470891 0.6 0.003749557 0.616666667 0.003125017 0.633333333 0.002597465 0.65 0.002162994 0.666666667 0.001817907 0.683333333 0.001558603 0.7 0.001378084 0.716666667 0.001262367 0.733333333 0.001190767 0.75 0.001140826 0.766666667 0.001095045 0.783333333 0.001044149 0.8 0.000985083 0.816666667 0.000917829 0.833333333 0.000843401 0.85 0.000763025 0.866666667 0.000677896 0.883333333 0.000589157 0.9 0.000497944 0.916666667 0.000405451 0.933333333 0.000313007 0.95 0.000222259 0.966666667 0.000135613 0.983333333 5.75147E-05 1.0 0.00000027 -------- Bill Frank Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=419415#419415 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 10:58:52 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: VW engines in Pietenpols From: "aerocarjake" Thanks for the link Terry - good read.... -------- Jake Schultz - curator, Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=419418#419418 ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 11:02:39 PM PST US From: "TOM STINEMETZE" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: VW engines in Pietenpols (Out of Office) Tom Stinemetze will be unavailable for the remainder of the month of March. I will be back in my office on April 1, 2013. >>> "aerocarjake" 02/27/14 00:58 >>> Thanks for the link Terry - good read.... -------- Jake Schultz - curator, Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=419418#419418 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.