Pietenpol-List Digest Archive

Thu 02/27/14


Total Messages Posted: 28



Today's Message Index:
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     1. 12:26 AM - Re: Speed (Mild Bill)
     2. 01:37 AM - Re: Re: Vasek's Pietenpol project (Keith)
     3. 01:41 AM - Re: Re: Vasek's Pietenpol project (Out of Office) (TOM STINEMETZE)
     4. 04:32 AM - Tail Wheel Spring (john francis)
     5. 05:20 AM - Re: Tail Wheel Spring (Michael Perez)
     6. 05:38 AM - Re: Re: prop is done (Gardiner Mason)
     7. 07:17 AM - Re: Re: New E-mail address (Charles N. Campbell)
     8. 07:51 AM - Re: Tail Wheel Spring (Bill Church)
     9. 08:14 AM - Re: Re: Speed (Steven Dortch)
    10. 08:25 AM - Re: Re: Tail Wheel Spring (Michael Perez)
    11. 09:35 AM - Re: newsletter (Ralph)
    12. 10:02 AM - Re: Re: Speed (Boatright, Jeffrey)
    13. 10:41 AM - Re: newsletter (echobravo4)
    14. 11:21 AM - Re: newsletter (tkreiner)
    15. 12:00 PM - Re: newsletter (Bill Church)
    16. 12:41 PM - Re: newsletter (Jack Phillips)
    17. 01:09 PM - Re: newsletter (Ryan Mueller)
    18. 01:16 PM - Re: newsletter (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC])
    19. 01:24 PM - Re: newsletter (Boatright, Jeffrey)
    20. 01:30 PM - Re: newsletter (Tim White)
    21. 03:10 PM - Re: newsletter (airlion2@gmail.com)
    22. 04:32 PM - Re: newsletter (Don Emch)
    23. 04:43 PM - Re: Re: newsletter (Gary Boothe)
    24. 04:55 PM - Re: Re: newsletter (Boatright, Jeffrey)
    25. 05:30 PM - Re: newsletter (danhelsper@aol.com)
    26. 07:40 PM - Re: Speed (nightmare)
    27. 07:41 PM - Re: Speed (nightmare)
    28. 10:00 PM - Re: Speed (taildrags)
 
 
 


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    Time: 12:26:26 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Speed
    From: "Mild Bill" <whfrank@charter.net>
    Dan - The question about the effects of the fabric sagging behind the sharp line of the leading edge sheeting is fraught with complications - it might hurt, it might help, it might be of no consequence. Supporting the assertion it will hurt: The sudden discontinuity in contour will trip the boundary layer into turbulent flow, increasing the drag. It might also cause a sudden loss of lift at the stall. (The mechanism for how the latter could occur may seem mysterious in light of the discussion in the next section, but it has been known to occur - mostly on airfoils designed for extensive laminar flow, which the FC-10 definitely is not). Supporting the assertion it will help: As for the drag issue, the back face of the spar on an Air Camper built to Pietenpol plans is at about 13% of chord, well forward of where we would expect the natural transition to turbulent flow on a smooth FC-10 airfoil. But let's be honest, now, "Air Camper, thy middle name is Drag." Will the increase in drag from an early transition at 13% really cause a *significant* percentage increase in total drag? Um, no, so let's not worry about it, OK? At very low Reynolds number (Rn) it's actually hard to prevent laminar flow, but a laminar boundary layer tends to lose energy the farther back it goes, so when it encounters the increasing pressure gradient past the peak of the upper surface curvature it's "too tired" to follow the curvature and the flow jumps off the surface, killing the lift and creating a huge drag rise. The model airplane people actually put turbulator spars and even spanwise wires suspended just above the surface on little posts to force the air into turbulent flow so it can follow the contour - the drag from the turbulence is far less than the drag from laminar flow separating completely from the surface. As for lift, the turbulent flow keeping the boundary layer attached will increase the angle of attack before the stall (i.e. lower the stall speed) and may contribute to the stall spreading slowly from the trailing edge forward (i.e. help prevent a sudden drop off). Especially during the critical phases of taking off and landing, the Rn for an Air Camper is low enough that fixing the transition at the back edge of the spar may help in the manner described above. Supporting the assertion it will not have any significant effects: The 2D section drag of the FC-10 might be significantly increased, but as noted above the significance will probably be rendered insignificant relative to the monstrous total drag from all causes. As for the lift, who knows without doing testing? Steve Wittman had a method for evaluating the positive and negative effects of changing the design of a wing: Build one half of a new wing and put it on the airplane without changing the other half, then go flying. When you recover your Air Camper, you could start with just one wing and remove the support under the leading edge sheeting before recovering, then go flying. You should, of course, be hyper attentive while gradually approaching the stall, ready to recover instantly in case either wing drops early. Since your Air Camper stalls gently, I suspect that testing will reveal no significant change, so you can proceed to making the other wing have the better appearance. -------- Bill Frank Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=419422#419422


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    Time: 01:37:44 AM PST US
    From: Keith <pietenpol@hodgehome.org.uk>
    Subject: Re: Vasek's Pietenpol project
    For the Twins it is very hard to get the cylinder cooling right and usually ends up with having the cylinder heads reversed with new and expensively modified camshafts, also the BHP / TORQUE profile is nor really suitable so the engine is always running at quit high RPM and this along with the fact that they usually end up fitted to slow flight aircraft (microlights etc) leads to even more cooling problems also. The K100 had a nice torque peak at 6000 RPM )65 HP at this RPM) which when reduced by 3 to 1 via the Rotax "C" gearbox gives a hopefully nice cruise at 2000 prop RPM and the full power 90HP @ 8000 RPM = 2666 prop RPM should give a good takeoff performance, time will tell when the first takeoff takes place! Keith On 25/02/2014 21:27, Steven Dortch wrote: > Very interesting, What is the end Horsepower at what RPM and what weight? > > How about the BMW Opposed twin? It would look like a natural. but > would also need a Reduction drive. > > Steve D > > > On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 2:41 PM, Keith <pietenpol@hodgehome.org.uk > <mailto:pietenpol@hodgehome.org.uk>> wrote: > > Yes, > > I am just nearing the end of my build using a BMW K100LT engine, > fitted with a Rotax "C" gearbox with a ratio of 3 to 1. > > It has the original fuel injection and electronic ignition and > seems to be OK. It gave 2250 Prop RPM when fitted with a 72" by > 46", I am now waiting for the winter rains and winds to go away so > that I can fit the new 72" by 42" prop which I hope will give me > 2550 RPM. > > Attached is a photograph of the engine installation. > > Hoping for an engineering inspection in May. > > Keith Hodge > > > On 25/02/2014 20:21, Steven Dortch wrote: >> Just curious, Anyone used s BMW motorcycle engine? >> >> Steve D >> >> >> On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 3:16 PM, Vasek <bigon2@seznam.cz >> <mailto:bigon2@seznam.cz>> wrote: >> >> <bigon2@seznam.cz <mailto:bigon2@seznam.cz>> >> >> Thank you for your advices Jack and Lorenzo. >> >> I already changed my mind with the VW engine, after I got a >> clear explanation about the torque, and after reading the >> Bill Church's article. It would result in many complications >> which do not worth it.. >> >> There might be some Microns available here, I will see. >> >> Another option is now another automobile engine with a >> reduction drive. I could use a Suzuki engine. I will see. Now >> I can build the aircraft and watch for offers in shops, used >> engines. >> >> I will use the original Pietenpol airfoil. >> >> As for the meeting in Brodhead/Oshkosh, you want me to try >> the first trans-atlantic flight with a Pietenpol? :D >> >> -------- >> My production of WW1 propellers, trophies and constructions: >> >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=419261#419261 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ========== >> br> -List" >> target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >> ========== >> MS - >> k">http://forums.matronics.com >> ========== >> e - >> -Matt Dralle, List Admin. >> t="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> ========== >> >> >> >> >> * >> >> >> * > > > * > > > *


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    Time: 01:41:47 AM PST US
    From: "TOM STINEMETZE" <TOMS@mcpcity.com>
    Subject: Re: Vasek's Pietenpol project (Out of Office)
    Tom Stinemetze will be unavailable for the remainder of the month of March. I will be back in my office on April 1, 2013. >>> Keith <pietenpol@hodgehome.org.uk> 02/27/14 03:36 >>> For the Twins it is very hard to get the cylinder cooling right and usually ends up with having the cylinder heads reversed with new and expensively modified camshafts, also the BHP / TORQUE profile is nor really suitable so the engine is always running at quit high RPM and this along with the fact that they usually end up fitted to slow flight aircraft (microlights etc) leads to even more cooling problems also. The K100 had a nice torque peak at 6000 RPM )65 HP at this RPM) which when reduced by 3 to 1 via the Rotax "C" gearbox gives a hopefully nice cruise at 2000 prop RPM and the full power 90HP @ 8000 RPM = 2666 prop RPM should give a good takeoff performance, time will tell when the first takeoff takes place! Keith On 25/02/2014 21:27, Steven Dortch wrote: > Very interesting, What is the end Horsepower at what RPM and what weight? > > How about the BMW Opposed twin? It would look like a natural. but > would also need a Reduction drive. > > Steve D > > > On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 2:41 PM, Keith <pietenpol@hodgehome.org.uk > <mailto:pietenpol@hodgehome.org.uk>> wrote: > > Yes, > > I am just nearing the end of my build using a BMW K100LT engine, > fitted with a Rotax "C" gearbox with a ratio of 3 to 1. > > It has the original fuel injection and electronic ignition and > seems to be OK. It gave 2250 Prop RPM when fitted with a 72" by > 46", I am now waiting for the winter rains and winds to go away so > that I can fit the new 72" by 42" prop which I hope will give me > 2550 RPM. > > Attached is a photograph of the engine installation. > > Hoping for an engineering inspection in May. > > Keith Hodge > > > On 25/02/2014 20:21, Steven Dortch wrote: >> Just curious, Anyone used s BMW motorcycle engine? >> >> Steve D >> >> >> On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 3:16 PM, Vasek <bigon2@seznam.cz >> <mailto:bigon2@seznam.cz>> wrote: >> >> <bigon2@seznam.cz <mailto:bigon2@seznam.cz>> >> >> Thank you for your advices Jack and Lorenzo. >> >> I already changed my mind with the VW engine, after I got a >> clear explanation about the torque, and after reading the >> Bill Church's article. It would result in many complications >> which do not worth it.. >> >> There might be some Microns available here, I will see. >> >> Another option is now another automobile engine with a >> reduction drive. I could use a Suzuki engine. I will see. Now >> I can build the aircraft and watch for offers in shops, used >> engines. >> >> I will use the original Pietenpol airfoil. >> >> As for the meeting in Brodhead/Oshkosh, you want me to try >> the first trans-atlantic flight with a Pietenpol? :D >> >> -------- >> My production of WW1 propellers, trophies and constructions: >> * >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=419261#419261 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ========== >> br> -List" >> target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >> ========== >> MS - >> k">http://forums.matronics.com >> ========== >> e - >> -Matt Dralle, List Admin. >> t="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> ========== >> >> >> >> >> * >> >> >> * > > > * > > > *


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    Time: 04:32:38 AM PST US
    Subject: Tail Wheel Spring
    From: "john francis" <Mrkringles@msn.com>
    My tail wheel assembly was built by Ken Perkins. Although he has it so the spring twists into place, is it tack welded to hold it in place? This is not a picture of my setup, but is close. -------- John Francis Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=419427#419427 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/tailwheel_installed__longer_107_207.jpg


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    Time: 05:20:19 AM PST US
    From: Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net>
    Subject: Re: Tail Wheel Spring
    John, you may not want to take the assembly apart to do this, but... When I made mine, I cut tabs around the spring cups. (attached) Then once the assembly was installed, I bent a few of these over to retain the spring. If God is your co-pilot...switch seats. Michael Perez Pietenpol HINT Videos KaretakerAero www.karetakeraero.com


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    Time: 05:38:36 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: prop is done
    From: Gardiner Mason <airlion2@gmail.com>
    Oscar, you will probably have more rain at broad head and how are you going to get that pretty toothpick there? Maybe strap it to your struts? He He. Cheers, Gardiner Sent from my iPad On Feb 26, 2014, at 10:26 PM, "taildrags" <taildrags@hotmail.com> wrote: > > I'll save everyone else the trouble of searching for Kevin's post. Here it is (snipped): > ======== > Ive taken so much abuse for the ugly-but-effective Warp Drive prop that I broke > down and bought a wooden prop from Cloudcars. It is 68x34. They originally > sent me a 68X27 which Jay calculated to be similar in pitch to my Warp at 7.5 > degrees. It wasnt enough pitch. They very kindly provided another propeller. > It appears to have a little more functional pitch than the Warp. The plane > climbs a little slower, but still at better than 500 fpm, and flies about 10% > faster. Since were not allowed to fly our Cloudcars in the rain I may switch > to the Warp for traveling to and from Brodhead, and then use the pretty wooden > prop while there. > > -------- > Oscar Zuniga > Medford, OR > Air Camper NX41CC &quot;Scout&quot; > A75 power > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=419404#419404 > > > > > > > > > >


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    Time: 07:17:18 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: New E-mail address
    From: "Charles N. Campbell" <charlescampbell1924@gmail.com>
    No! It is the year I was born. C On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 4:57 PM, jarheadpilot82 <jarheadpilot82@hotmail.com>wrote: > jarheadpilot82@hotmail.com> > > Chuck, > > So 1924 is your address, right? :D > > -------- > Semper Fi, > > Terry Hand > Athens, GA > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=419267#419267 > >


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    Time: 07:51:56 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Tail Wheel Spring
    From: "Bill Church" <billspiet@sympatico.ca>
    Michael, In other words, you followed the plans? Good idea. The photo John attached appears to show the same method. There should be no need to tack weld the spring. Welding springs is generally not a good idea, since it will affect the temper of the steel. Once installed, if the spring were to (somehow) rotate, it would "bottom out" at either the top or bottom end, and not be able to rotate any further and unscrew itself. Bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=419440#419440 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/tail_skid_204.jpg


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    Time: 08:14:34 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Speed
    From: Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch@gmail.com>
    I noticed in the flying and glider manuals some tips on how to decrease drag. Faring in strut, landing gear and strut attachments, and wheel pants (or spats) was most common. Doing away with round things like wires, struts and cabanes and replacing them with a blade shape has been well known to decrease drag. Basically the more blade shaped the better, to a point. It may seem like a lot to do on a draggy plane, but it would let the engine breath easier at the same speeds and could be done incrementally. What is the consensus on where you get the most bang for the buck? Blue Skies, Steve D. On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 2:25 AM, Mild Bill <whfrank@charter.net> wrote: > > Dan - > > The question about the effects of the fabric sagging behind the sharp line > of the leading edge sheeting is fraught with complications - it might hurt, > it might help, it might be of no consequence. > > > Supporting the assertion it will hurt: > > The sudden discontinuity in contour will trip the boundary layer into > turbulent flow, increasing the drag. > > It might also cause a sudden loss of lift at the stall. (The mechanism for > how the latter could occur may seem mysterious in light of the discussion > in the next section, but it has been known to occur - mostly on airfoils > designed for extensive laminar flow, which the FC-10 definitely is not). > > > Supporting the assertion it will help: > > As for the drag issue, the back face of the spar on an Air Camper built to > Pietenpol plans is at about 13% of chord, well forward of where we would > expect the natural transition to turbulent flow on a smooth FC-10 airfoil. > But let's be honest, now, "Air Camper, thy middle name is Drag." Will the > increase in drag from an early transition at 13% really cause a > *significant* percentage increase in total drag? Um, no, so let's not worry > about it, OK? > > At very low Reynolds number (Rn) it's actually hard to prevent laminar > flow, but a laminar boundary layer tends to lose energy the farther back it > goes, so when it encounters the increasing pressure gradient past the peak > of the upper surface curvature it's "too tired" to follow the curvature and > the flow jumps off the surface, killing the lift and creating a huge drag > rise. The model airplane people actually put turbulator spars and even > spanwise wires suspended just above the surface on little posts to force > the air into turbulent flow so it can follow the contour - the drag from > the turbulence is far less than the drag from laminar flow separating > completely from the surface. As for lift, the turbulent flow keeping the > boundary layer attached will increase the angle of attack before the stall > (i.e. lower the stall speed) and may contribute to the stall spreading > slowly from the trailing edge forward (i.e. help prevent a sudden drop off). > > Especially during the critical phases of taking off and landing, the Rn > for an Air Camper is low enough that fixing the transition at the back edge > of the spar may help in the manner described above. > > > Supporting the assertion it will not have any significant effects: > > The 2D section drag of the FC-10 might be significantly increased, but as > noted above the significance will probably be rendered insignificant > relative to the monstrous total drag from all causes. > > As for the lift, who knows without doing testing? > > > Steve Wittman had a method for evaluating the positive and negative > effects of changing the design of a wing: Build one half of a new wing and > put it on the airplane without changing the other half, then go flying. > > When you recover your Air Camper, you could start with just one wing and > remove the support under the leading edge sheeting before recovering, then > go flying. You should, of course, be hyper attentive while gradually > approaching the stall, ready to recover instantly in case either wing drops > early. Since your Air Camper stalls gently, I suspect that testing will > reveal no significant change, so you can proceed to making the other wing > have the better appearance. > > -------- > Bill Frank > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=419422#419422 > >


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    Time: 08:25:26 AM PST US
    From: Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net>
    Subject: Re: Tail Wheel Spring
    Yes, I know, I know...this is one place I did just like the plans showed. (One of only a few.) If God is your co-pilot...switch seats. Michael Perez Pietenpol HINT Videos Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com


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    Time: 09:35:24 AM PST US
    From: "Ralph" <ralphhsd@itctel.com>
    Subject: Re: newsletter
    The newsletter finally arrived in the plains of eastern South Dakota. Great job. I appreciate the work being done to provide us with the articles. Ralph Hurlbert


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    Time: 10:02:35 AM PST US
    From: "Boatright, Jeffrey" <jeffboatright@emory.edu>
    Subject: Re: Speed
    As they say, a lot depends on a lot. Our Piet originally had Cub gear with bungees. Coming back on the power in pattern, the nose really dipped over. For various reasons we replaced the bungees with springs. Coming back on th e power, the plane behaves more like a Cessna. Also, the glide seems better . I'm guessing replacing bungees with springs cut drug quite a bit. Not the same plane, but our hangar neighbor covered the round-tube lift str uts of his Pup with plastic airfoil-shaped covers (these used to be sold at the big fly-ins but I haven't seen them recently). Both his climb and crui se increased considerably. -- Jeffrey H. Boatright, PhD, FARVO Associate Professor of Ophthalmology Emory University School of Medicine From: Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch@gmail.com<mailto:steven.d.dortch@gmail .com>> >" <pietenpol-list@matronics.com<mailto:pietenpol-list@matronics.com>> etenpol-list@matronics.com<mailto:pietenpol-list@matronics.com>> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Speed I noticed in the flying and glider manuals some tips on how to decrease dra g. Faring in strut, landing gear and strut attachments, and wheel pants (or spats) was most common. Doing away with round things like wires, struts and cabanes and replacing t hem with a blade shape has been well known to decrease drag. Basically the more blade shaped the better, to a point. It may seem like a lot to do on a draggy plane, but it would let the engine breath easier at the same speeds and could be done incrementally. What is the consensus on where you get the most bang for the buck? Blue Skies, Steve D. ________________________________ This e-mail message (including any attachments) is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this message (including any attachments) is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please contact the sender by reply e-mail message and destroy all copies of the original message (including attachments).


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    Time: 10:41:50 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: newsletter
    From: "echobravo4" <eab4@comcast.net>
    Got mine yesterday- Well worth the wait! Thanks John! -------- Earl Brown I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I intended to be. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=419450#419450


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    Time: 11:21:09 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: newsletter
    From: "tkreiner" <tkreiner@gmail.com>
    Mine came in yesterday's mail! (Our delivery is around 5:15 pm, but in time for me to read it last evening...) Very nice job, John, as others have said, the newletter is in good hands. -------- Tom Kreiner Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=419452#419452


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    Time: 12:00:59 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: newsletter
    From: "Bill Church" <billspiet@sympatico.ca>
    Okay, so that should only leave another 683 BPA newsletter subscribers to announce that they have received their copy in the mail. Just kidding. Thanks for taking on what is usually a thankless job, John. Bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=419454#419454


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    Time: 12:41:21 PM PST US
    From: "Jack Phillips" <jack@bedfordlandings.com>
    Subject: newsletter
    Mine still hasn't shown up in the wilds of the Blue Ridge Mountains of Virginia. Who is this John Hofmann, anyway, and what right does he have to hold my newsletter hostage? Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ralph Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2014 12:35 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: newsletter The newsletter finally arrived in the plains of eastern South Dakota. Great job. I appreciate the work being done to provide us with the articles. Ralph Hurlbert


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    Time: 01:09:20 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: newsletter
    From: Ryan Mueller <ryan@rmueller.org>
    I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT NOR DO I CARE. WHO THE F IS JACK PHILLIPS? WHAT THE F IS A SMITH MOUNTAIN LAKE? MY INTEREST IS IN BUILDING A PIETENPOL I DONT GIVE A CRAP WHERE THE BLUE RIDGE MOUNTAINS COME FROM OR WHO MADE THEM AND I SURE DONT WANT TO BE HERE AND BE LECTURED BY THE GENTLEMAN FROM VIRGINIA WHO PUT A STINKBUG IN MY SUITCASE P.S: MY DAMN PENCILS STILL HAVENT ARRIVED EITHER DO NOT ARCHIVE On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 2:40 PM, Jack Phillips <jack@bedfordlandings.com>wrote: > Mine still hasn't shown up in the wilds of the Blue Ridge Mountains of > Virginia. Who is this John Hofmann, anyway, and what right does he have > to hold my newsletter hostage? > > > Jack Phillips > > NX899JP > > Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: > owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Ralph > *Sent:* Thursday, February 27, 2014 12:35 PM > *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: newsletter > > > The newsletter finally arrived in the plains of eastern South Dakota. > Great job. I appreciate the work being done to provide us with the > articles. > > > Ralph Hurlbert > > > *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List <http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List>* > > *http://forums.matronics.com <http://forums.matronics.com>* > > *http://www.matronics.com/contribution <http://www.matronics.com/contribution>* > > > * > > > * > >


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    Time: 01:16:26 PM PST US
    From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>
    Subject: newsletter
    COME TO THINK OF IT RYAN I HAVEN'T REC'D MY PENCILS EITHER BUT MY NEWSLETTE R CAME. I JUST WANT TO KNOW HOW MANY LEFT HANDED PEOPLE GOT THEIR NEWSLETTER BEFORE RIGHT HANDED PEOPLE. I'M S TILL TRYING TO FIGURE THAT OUT.


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    Time: 01:24:24 PM PST US
    From: "Boatright, Jeffrey" <jeffboatright@emory.edu>
    Subject: Re: newsletter
    AND WHAT ABOUT THE AMBIDEXTROUS? WILL THEY EVER GET THEIRS? AND ARE THEY GI FTED OR JUST CAN'T MAKE UP THEIR MINDS? Do not archive. Unless you've received your newsletter. Then you can archiv e this. -- Jeffrey H. Boatright, PhD, FARVO Associate Professor of Ophthalmology Emory University School of Medicine From: <Cuy>, "LLC]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov<mailto:michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>> >" <pietenpol-list@matronics.com<mailto:pietenpol-list@matronics.com>> etenpol-list@matronics.com<mailto:pietenpol-list@matronics.com>> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: newsletter COME TO THINK OF IT RYAN I HAVEN=92T REC=92D MY PENCILS EITHER BUT MY NEWSL ETTER CAME. I JUST WANT TO KNOW HOW MANY LEFT HANDED PEOPLE GOT THEIR NEWSLETTER BEFORE RIGHT HANDED PEOPLE. I=92M STILL TRYING TO FIGURE THAT OUT. _ ________________________________ This e-mail message (including any attachments) is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this message (including any attachments) is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please contact the sender by reply e-mail message and destroy all copies of the original message (including attachments).


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    Time: 01:30:54 PM PST US
    From: Tim White <aa5flyer@gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: newsletter
    Why not put it online as well as in paper copy? I would gladly sign up for it if it was available online. On 2/27/2014 3:40 PM, Jack Phillips wrote: > > Mine still hasn't shown up in the wilds of the Blue Ridge Mountains of > Virginia. Who is this John Hofmann, anyway, and what right does he > have to hold my newsletter hostage? > > Jack Phillips > > NX899JP > > Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > *From:*owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Ralph > *Sent:* Thursday, February 27, 2014 12:35 PM > *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: newsletter > > The newsletter finally arrived in the plains of eastern South Dakota. > Great job. I appreciate the work being done to provide us with the > articles. > > Ralph Hurlbert > > * * > * * > ** > ** > ** > *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List* > ** > ** > *http://forums.matronics.com* > ** > ** > *http://www.matronics.com/contribution* > * * > * > > > *


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    Time: 03:10:54 PM PST US
    From: airlion2@gmail.com
    Subject: Re: newsletter
    Come on guys . How about cleaning up The dialogue. I am embarrassed to let my wife read the list now. Gardiner Sent from my iPad > On Feb 27, 2014, at 4:08 PM, Ryan Mueller <ryan@rmueller.org> wrote: > > hostage?


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    Time: 04:32:27 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: newsletter
    From: "Don Emch" <EmchAir@aol.com>
    Part of the beauty of the newsletter is that it's a newsletter. Something that comes in the mail that you can sit down with a cup of coffee and read. Then when you're done you can pick it up and take it with you or set it on the shelf and refer back to it. I love the newsletter. A really great use for them is to set a few on your end table beside the couch that is in your hangar (you do or will have an old couch in the hangar, right?). Then when prospective passengers are waiting in line for their ride, they can read up on how cool of an airplane the Piet is. Don Emch NX899DE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=419467#419467


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    Time: 04:43:24 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: newsletter
    From: Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net>
    Well said, Don! Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 27, 2014, at 4:31 PM, "Don Emch" <EmchAir@aol.com> wrote: > > > Part of the beauty of the newsletter is that it's a newsletter. Something that comes in the mail that you can sit down with a cup of coffee and read. Then when you're done you can pick it up and take it with you or set it on the shelf and refer back to it. I love the newsletter. A really great use for them is to set a few on your end table beside the couch that is in your hangar (you do or will have an old couch in the hangar, right?). Then when prospective passengers are waiting in line for their ride, they can read up on how cool of an airplane the Piet is. > > Don Emch > NX899DE > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=419467#419467 > > > > > > > > > >


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    Time: 04:55:22 PM PST US
    From: "Boatright, Jeffrey" <jeffboatright@emory.edu>
    Subject: Re: newsletter
    The new phone book's here! The new phone book's here! At last the day has came! My newsletter has arrived in Decatur, Georgia USA!! Bonus internet points for those who can guess the two movies the above are from. Hint: TGWP ain't in it this time. -- Jeffrey H. Boatright, PhD, FARVO Associate Professor of Ophthalmology Emory University School of Medicine On 2/27/14 7:42 PM, "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote: > >Well said, Don! > >Sent from my iPhone > >> On Feb 27, 2014, at 4:31 PM, "Don Emch" <EmchAir@aol.com> wrote: >> >> >> Part of the beauty of the newsletter is that it's a newsletter. >>Something that comes in the mail that you can sit down with a cup of >>coffee and read. Then when you're done you can pick it up and take it >>with you or set it on the shelf and refer back to it. I love the >>newsletter. A really great use for them is to set a few on your end >>table beside the couch that is in your hangar (you do or will have an >>old couch in the hangar, right?). Then when prospective passengers are >>waiting in line for their ride, they can read up on how cool of an >>airplane the Piet is. >> >> Don Emch >> NX899DE >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=419467#419467 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > ________________________________ This e-mail message (including any attachments) is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this message (including any attachments) is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please contact the sender by reply e-mail message and destroy all copies of the original message (including attachments).


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    Time: 05:30:00 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: newsletter
    From: danhelsper@aol.com
    Don't have mine either in W. Tennessee. Is this a Southern thing? Dan Helsper Puryear, TN -----Original Message----- From: Jack Phillips <jack@bedfordlandings.com> Sent: Thu, Feb 27, 2014 2:41 pm Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: newsletter Mine still hasn=99t shown up in thewilds of the Blue Ridge Mountains of Virginia. Who is this John Hofmann, anyway, and what right does he have to hold mynewsletter hostage? Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia From:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list- server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ralph Sent: Thursday, February 27, 201412:35 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List:newsletter The newsletter finallyarrived in the plains of eastern South Dakota. Grea t job. I appreciate the workbeing done to provide us with the articles. Ralph Hurlbert http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution


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    Time: 07:40:06 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Speed
    From: "nightmare" <pauldonahuepilot@yahoo.com>
    Here is a very good demonstration video (old school) about drag reduction through streamlining. Puts things in perspective. -------- Paul Donahue Started 8-3-12 do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=419476#419476


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    Time: 07:41:35 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Speed
    From: "nightmare" <pauldonahuepilot@yahoo.com>
    Woops forgot to ad link. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftq8jTQ8ANE&feature=youtube_gdata_player -------- Paul Donahue Started 8-3-12 do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=419477#419477


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    Time: 10:00:42 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Speed
    From: "taildrags" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
    [UNCLASSIFIED] Steve wrote- >What is the consensus on where you get the most bang for the buck? You'll never find a consensus on THIS list! ;o) However, Steve, I have to say that most people on this list will agree that the most bang for the buck is whatever gets you in the air. Until you actually lift the wheels off the runway and fly your Air Camper, it's all just hangar talk and ideas, but once you do lift it off- it will all be worthwhile. I remember the day when I first started the engine on my airplane after rebuilding and repairing it. I had a long to-do list of things, some big and some small, and every weekend I would go to the hangar and nibble away at them. One afternoon I looked at the list and realized that there wasn't anything on it that would prevent me from starting the engine, so I did. That day was almost as memorable to me as the day of my first solo or the day I passed my Private checkride. Work on the remaining list went much, much more quickly after that. Once the airplane was back in the air, I could sit back and work on little things forever. Streamline this, change that, adjust something else. But at any given time I could drive up to the hangar, open the doors, pull the plane out, preflight, and go fly it. And I did. Fly out to Medina Lake, fly down to Cannon Field, fly over the farms, fly to Castroville and fuel up, fly out to the big runways at Hondo, fly anywhere I wanted. Fly circuits in the pattern, fly for an hour or for as long as it took to shoot three takeoffs and landings. Fly off the grass, fly off the pavement. But fly. The biggest bang for the buck will be whatever it takes to get your airplane airworthy and flying. You can work on streamlining, drag reduction, improving trim and balance, weight reduction, paint, seat padding, and all that other stuff after you get it flying. Make a list of "ESSENTIAL TO SAFETY OF FLIGHT" and take care of those things first. You'll have plenty of time to work on the "nice to have" things later. Now c'mon... you're burning good flying weather in Texas already! -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC &quot;Scout&quot; A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=419478#419478




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