---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 03/01/14: 26 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:31 AM - Re: Wheels, diameter, width (johnnysdrop) 2. 04:34 AM - Re: Re: Wheels, diameter, width (Out of Office) (TOM STINEMETZE) 3. 05:43 AM - Re: Wheels, diameter, width (Vasek) 4. 06:23 AM - Re: Corvair engine core (jarheadpilot82) 5. 07:18 AM - big wire wheels (Douwe Blumberg) 6. 07:23 AM - Chad-venture 2014 (Douwe Blumberg) 7. 08:24 AM - Re: Chad-venture 2014 (shad bell) 8. 08:42 AM - Re: Chad-venture 2014 (dewey davenport) 9. 08:47 AM - Re: Wheels, diameter, width (AircamperN11MS) 10. 09:22 AM - Re: Corvair engine core (randy cary) 11. 09:41 AM - Re: Wheels, diameter, width (taildrags) 12. 10:37 AM - Re: Re: Wheels, diameter, width (Brian Kenney) 13. 02:22 PM - Re: Wheels, diameter, width (Vasek) 14. 02:29 PM - Re: big wire wheels (Vasek) 15. 03:22 PM - Re: Re: Wheels, diameter, width (Boatright, Jeffrey) 16. 04:03 PM - Re: newsletter (danhelsper@aol.com) 17. 04:29 PM - Re: newsletter (Jack Phillips) 18. 04:46 PM - Re: newsletter (nightmare) 19. 04:59 PM - Re: Wheels, diameter, width (nightmare) 20. 05:03 PM - Re: Re: Wheels, diameter, width (Boatright, Jeffrey) 21. 05:50 PM - Re: Wheels, diameter, width (nightmare) 22. 06:04 PM - Re: Re: newsletter (Steven Dortch) 23. 09:48 PM - Re: Re: Wheels, diameter, width (Ray Krause) 24. 09:51 PM - Re: Re: Wheels, diameter, width (Out of Office) (TOM STINEMETZE) 25. 11:01 PM - Official Pietenpol-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) (Matt Dralle) 26. 11:06 PM - Official Pietenpol-List Usage Guidelines (Matt Dralle) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:31:40 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wheels, diameter, width From: "johnnysdrop" Hi Vasek Both the Piet's in your picture use 19" wheels, I know as have seen them. John Theron -------- The only way is UP Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=419547#419547 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:34:54 AM PST US From: "TOM STINEMETZE" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wheels, diameter, width (Out of Office) Tom Stinemetze will be unavailable for the remainder of the month of March. I will be back in my office on April 1, 2013. >>> "johnnysdrop" 03/01/14 06:31 >>> Hi Vasek Both the Piet's in your picture use 19" wheels, I know as have seen them. John Theron -------- The only way is UP Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=419547#419547 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:43:39 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wheels, diameter, width From: "Vasek" Thank you for your answers, I am now in a stage where I will probably have a lot of questions :D In that case I will go for the 19" wheels. -------- My production of WW1 propellers, trophies and constructions: Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=419550#419550 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:23:54 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair engine core From: "jarheadpilot82" Bill, One word of advice on Craigslist. Craigslist is a snapshot in time of what is in the market. By that I mean, if you put in an ad that you are looking for a Corvair, you might have to place that ad 6 or 8 times in a row before someone responds with a viable motor at a reasonable price. For example, I offered to help Spencer Rice find a motor in Portland, Oregon (he is a 16 year old Corvair and Zenith 601 builder). I put an ad in the Portland Craigslist for over a month and could not seem to find a motor, then, Boom, one popped up at a good price only 2 miles from Spencer's house, with a factory nitrided crankshaft to boot. Just keep looking and you will find one - maybe even closer than you think. -------- Semper Fi, Terry Hand Athens, GA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=419553#419553 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:18:38 AM PST US From: "Douwe Blumberg" Subject: Pietenpol-List: big wire wheels Hello Vasek, As Don wrote, there have been quite a few Pietenpols with split landing gear and wire wheels. I have always felt the combination of wire wheels with the split gear is beautiful. Tall wheels are very nice on rough fields and potholes. As Mikee wrote, the two main wire wheel sizes are 19 inches and 21" (not sure what that is in metric). These dimensions refer to the diameter of the wheel rim, NOT the tire itself. Most UK piets use 19 inch diameter rims and I believe G-BUCO does as well. I have the larger size, but the only reason I can see in going with them is that you like how the larger wheel looks. Wire wheels with brakes are pretty heavy, and a 19 inch wheel is a few pounds lighter and a bit less draggy. Most people using wire wheels modify a motorcycle wheel. Because motorcycle wheels are not designed to withstand side loading, most people build a wider hub, with six inches being fairly common. Douwe ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:23:08 AM PST US From: "Douwe Blumberg" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Chad-venture 2014 Chad, I'd be interested in a fly-in (ChadVenture 2014?) I've always wondered why more fly-ins aren't scheduled for the early fall when we almost always have a few weeks of gorgeous weather. I for one would vote for first part of Sept (ish) Where exactly are you? Douwe ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:24:45 AM PST US From: shad bell Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Chad-venture 2014 First off it's SHAD, not Chad.=C2- (I'm used to it though).=C2- Anyways , I am in Centerburg Ohio, at Chapman Memorial Field 6CM is the Identifier. =C2- It is about 25-30 miles north/northeast of Columbus.=C2- I was thi nking Late Aug, or Sept as well.=C2- The past couple times I had it was a round the middle of June, and the weather was very unpredictable (scattered storms etc.)=C2- Would love to have a good turnout.=C2- I will keep ev eryone up to date as the time gets finalized.=0A=0AShad=0A=0A=0A=0AOn Satur day, March 1, 2014 10:27 AM, Douwe Blumberg w rote:=0A =0A =0AChad, =0A=C2- =0AI=99d be interested in a fly-in ( ChadVenture 2014?) =0A=C2- =0AI=99ve always wondered why more fly-i ns aren=99t=0Ascheduled for the early fall when we almost always have a few weeks of gorgeous=0Aweather.=C2- I for one would vote for first pa rt of Sept (ish) =0A=C2- =0AWhere exactly are you? =0A=C2- =0ADouwe ================ ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:42:23 AM PST US From: dewey davenport Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Chad-venture 2014 I would do my best to make it. Fall season sounds like a great time frame. =0A=0ADewey=0A=0A=0A=0AOn Saturday, March 1, 2014 11:24 AM, shad bell wrote:=0A =0AFirst off it's SHAD, not Chad.=C2- (I'm used to it though).=C2- Anyways, I am in Centerburg Ohio, at Chapman Memo rial Field 6CM is the Identifier.=C2- It is about 25-30 miles north/north east of Columbus.=C2- I was thinking Late Aug, or Sept as well.=C2- The past couple times I had it was around the middle of June, and the weather was very unpredictable (scattered storms etc.)=C2- Would love to have a g ood turnout.=C2- I will keep everyone up to date as the time gets finaliz ed.=0A=0AShad=0A=0A=0A=0AOn Saturday, March 1, 2014 10:27 AM, Douwe Blumber g wrote:=0A =0A =0AChad, =0A=C2- =0AI =99d be interested in a fly-in (ChadVenture 2014?) =0A=C2- =0AI =99ve always wondered why more fly-ins aren=99t=0Ascheduled for the e arly fall when we almost always have a few weeks of gorgeous=0Aweather.=C2 - I for one would vote for first part of Sept (ish) =0A=C2- =0AWhere ex actly are you? =0A=C2- =0ADouwe =0Ahttp://========== ========= ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:47:33 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wheels, diameter, width From: "AircamperN11MS" Vasek, I have 16 inch wheels on mine. It looks good with them also. The problem with mine is that 16 inch tires are getting hard to get. I would recommend choosing a wheel size that tires are easily available. It makes a difference in ten years when you need tires. I now have to order my from the internet. My two cents, -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=419568#419568 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:22:46 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Corvair engine core From: randy cary WW told me to contact the Corvair club of America to see the various state clubs. I did that all on the Internet and found members selling cores. Give it a try. Good luck! Randy Sent from my iPhone On Feb 28, 2014, at 12:33 PM, "Bill R" wrote: > > Just signed up for Corvair college and indicated that I would be bringing an engine to dissasemble. Only problem is, I don't have one. > If anyone has a lead on a good core, especially around the southeast, please let me know. I would be willing to pay a fair price, if you are expecting body parts ( arm ,leg or both) in exchange for your engine, please do not respond. > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=419505#419505 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:41:10 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wheels, diameter, width From: "taildrags" I didn't see any direct answer to Steve's question about retrofitting large wheels to Cub-style gear. I've never done it, but it appears to me that the main change would be the axles. I don't know what size (diameter, length) the axle shafts are on the two different wheels. As always, you can go to www.westcoastpiet.com to get an idea of what might be involved. Under 'pictures', scroll down to Kevin Purtee's airplane and take a look at the straight-on shot that shows his landing gear. Also a good closeup of the way his brakes were set up. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=419573#419573 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 10:37:07 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wheels, diameter, width From: Brian Kenney I have honda 350 rear motorcycle wheels. They come in 18 and I believe 19 inch rims but I have the 18 inch by 3 inch tires. These rims are cheap and plentiful and have there own brakes. I use them on the wood gear with the straight axle. They have easily more than 1500 landings on them. I have always thought that the split gear and wire wheels are asking for trouble as by design the landing load is converted directly into a side load as the gear moves. Not sure it is truly a problem however using a wheel that is successful on a straight axle is not a read across to that on a split gear. I believe that these wheels are as strong as the wooden gear is in side load. Sent from my iPad > On Mar 2, 2014, at 6:43 AM, "taildrags" wrote: > > > I didn't see any direct answer to Steve's question about retrofitting large wheels to Cub-style gear. I've never done it, but it appears to me that the main change would be the axles. I don't know what size (diameter, length) the axle shafts are on the two different wheels. > > As always, you can go to www.westcoastpiet.com to get an idea of what might be involved. Under 'pictures', scroll down to Kevin Purtee's airplane and take a look at the straight-on shot that shows his landing gear. Also a good closeup of the way his brakes were set up. > > -------- > Oscar Zuniga > Medford, OR > Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" > A75 power > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=419573#419573 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 02:22:49 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wheels, diameter, width From: "Vasek" The pictures of the landing gear on Westcoastpiet offer a nice detail. It looks like there are some 19" and 21" wheels or rims available from motorbikes, so I will loo around and buy some. -------- My production of WW1 propellers, trophies and constructions: Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=419587#419587 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 02:29:10 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: big wire wheels From: "Vasek" You are right, the reason why I choose the wire wheels is just because I like their look and they simply fit on the plane. I will look at some shops for used motorcycle wire wheels with 19" in diameter. -------- My production of WW1 propellers, trophies and constructions: Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=419588#419588 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 03:22:40 PM PST US From: "Boatright, Jeffrey" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wheels, diameter, width Agreed. Mine are 17" and have to be special ordered. Sent from an iPhone with a spelling problem > On Mar 1, 2014, at 10:49 AM, "AircamperN11MS" wrote: > > > Vasek, > > I have 16 inch wheels on mine. It looks good with them also. The problem with mine is that 16 inch tires are getting hard to get. I would recommend choosing a wheel size that tires are easily available. It makes a difference in ten years when you need tires. I now have to order my from the internet. > > My two cents, > > -------- > Scott Liefeld > Flying N11MS since March 1972 > Steel Tube > C-85-12 > Wire Wheels > Brodhead in 1996 > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=419568#419568 > > ________________________________ This e-mail message (including any attachments) is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. 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Shad -------------------------------------------- On Thu, 2/27/14, Jack Phillips wrote: Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: newsletter To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Date: Thursday, February 27, 2014, 3:40 PM Mine still hasn=99t shown up in the wilds of the Blue Ridge Mountains of Virginia . Who is this John Hofmann, anyway, and what right does he have to hold my newsletter hostage? Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ralph Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2014 12:35 PM To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: newsletter The newsletter finally arrived in the plains of eastern South Dakota . Great job. I appreciate the work being done to provide us with the articles. Ralph Hurlbert http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Listhttp://forums.matronics. comhttp://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 04:29:47 PM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: newsletter Not yet. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of danhelsper@aol.com Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2014 7:04 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: newsletter Still no newsletter.....am I the last one? Dan Helsper Puryear, TN -----Original Message----- From: shad bell Sent: Fri, Feb 28, 2014 2:52 pm Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: newsletter I was told if I like my news letter I could keep my newsletter...... Shad -------------------------------------------- On Thu, 2/27/14, Jack Phillips wrote: Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: newsletter To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Date: Thursday, February 27, 2014, 3:40 PM Mine still hasn't shown up in the wilds of the Blue Ridge Mountains of Virginia . Who is this John Hofmann, anyway, and what right does he have to hold my newsletter hostage? Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com ] On Behalf Of Ralph Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2014 12:35 PM To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: newsletter The newsletter finally arrived in the plains of eastern South Dakota . Great job. I appreciate the work being done to provide us with the articles. Ralph Hurlbert http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Listhttp://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List tp://forums.matronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 04:46:08 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: newsletter From: "nightmare" They are being delivered via Pietenpol. Old school airmail. -------- Paul Donahue Started 8-3-12 do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=419602#419602 ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 04:59:19 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wheels, diameter, width From: "nightmare" Jeff; could you post a side view pic of your plane? I'm curious what 17 inch rims look like on a piet. -------- Paul Donahue Started 8-3-12 do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=419603#419603 ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 05:03:57 PM PST US From: "Boatright, Jeffrey" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wheels, diameter, width Stuck in Tulsa's airport right now, so no access to do this. However, there are several photos of my plane at westcoastpiet.com. Look under "Wayne, Bob, and Jeff" -- Jeffrey H. Boatright, PhD, FARVO Associate Professor of Ophthalmology Emory University School of Medicine On 3/1/14 7:59 PM, "nightmare" wrote: > > >Jeff; could you post a side view pic of your plane? I'm curious what 17 >inch rims look like on a piet. > >-------- >Paul Donahue >Started 8-3-12 >do not archive > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=419603#419603 > > ________________________________ This e-mail message (including any attachments) is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this message (including any attachments) is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please contact the sender by reply e-mail message and destroy all copies of the original message (including attachments). ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 05:50:41 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wheels, diameter, width From: "nightmare" OK thanks -------- Paul Donahue Started 8-3-12 do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=419608#419608 ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 06:04:13 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: newsletter From: Steven Dortch Old man in Enid OK told me about delivering the newspaper to farmers via cub and champ. He said he would circle the house and could hit the center of a yard easily. Times have sure changed. Who could afford this today. Blue Skies, Steve D On Sat, Mar 1, 2014 at 6:45 PM, nightmare wrote: > pauldonahuepilot@yahoo.com> > > They are being delivered via Pietenpol. Old school airmail. > > -------- > Paul Donahue > Started 8-3-12 > do not archive > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=419602#419602 > > ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 09:48:40 PM PST US From: Ray Krause Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wheels, diameter, width Vasek, Why don't you tell us about your prop business, trophies and constructions? Is there supposed to be a link at the end of your messages? And where are you located? Thanks, Ray Krause Sent from my iPad > On Mar 1, 2014, at 2:22 PM, "Vasek" wrote: > > > The pictures of the landing gear on Westcoastpiet offer a nice detail. It looks like there are some 19" and 21" wheels or rims available from motorbikes, so I will loo around and buy some. > > -------- > My production of WW1 propellers, trophies and constructions: > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=419587#419587 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 09:51:53 PM PST US From: "TOM STINEMETZE" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wheels, diameter, width (Out of Office) Tom Stinemetze will be unavailable for the remainder of the month of March. I will be back in my office on April 1, 2013. >>> Ray Krause 03/01/14 23:48 >>> Vasek, Why don't you tell us about your prop business, trophies and constructions? Is there supposed to be a link at the end of your messages? And where are you located? Thanks, Ray Krause Sent from my iPad > On Mar 1, 2014, at 2:22 PM, "Vasek" wrote: > > > The pictures of the landing gear on Westcoastpiet offer a nice detail. It looks like there are some 19" and 21" wheels or rims available from motorbikes, so I will loo around and buy some. > > -------- > My production of WW1 propellers, trophies and constructions: > * > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=419587#419587 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 11:01:54 PM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: Pietenpol-List: Official Pietenpol-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) Dear Listers, Please read over the Pietenpol-List Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) below. 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The Digest Archives can be found at the following location: http://www.matronics.com/digest ***************************************** *** The "DO NOT ARCHIVE" Message Flag *** ***************************************** At times, your message may concern something that is revelent only to a very small number of persons or to a limited area, and you may not wish to archive it. In such a case, simply put the following phrase anywhere in the message: do not archive Your message will not be appended to the archive, but will be sent to List email distribution as normal. ********************************************** ***** READ THIS - Automatic Unsubscribes ***** ********************************************** Note that if your email address begins to cause problems such as bounced email, mailbox is filled, or any other errors, your address will be promptly removed from the List. If you discover that you are no longer receiving messages from the Pietenpol-List, go to the following Web page, and look for your email address and a possible reason for your removal. The Matronics Email List uses utility called the "Email Weasel" that automatically looks though the day's bounced email for addresses that caused problems due to common things like "user is unknown", "mailbox full", etc. If the Email Weasel removes your email address from the Lists you will find record of it at the following URL: http://www.matronics.com/unsubscribed If the problem listed on the web site above has been resolved, please feel free to resubscribe to the Lists of your choice. ******************************* *** List Member Information *** ******************************* If you have not done so already, please email me your phone numbers and paper mail address in the following format: smith@somehost.com Joe Smith 123 Airport Lane Tower, CA 91234-1234 098-765-1234 w 123-456-7890 h Please forward this information to the following email address: requests@matronics.com I have a file of such things, that I typically use to contact you when there are problems with your email address. The information will NOT be used for any other commercial purpose. **************************************** *** Realtime Web Email List Browsing *** **************************************** Recent messages posted to the Pietenpol-List are also made available on the Web for realtime browsing. Seven days worth of back postings are available with this feature. The messages can be sorted by Subject, Author, Date, or Message Thread. The Realtime List Browser indexes are updated twice per hour at xx:15 and xx:45. You can also reply to a message or start a new message directly from the List Browser Interface (coming soon). You do not have to be subscribed to the given list to use the List Browser Interface in view-mode. http://www.matronics.com/browselist/pietenpol-list ******************************************* *** Web Forums Bulletin Board Interface *** ******************************************* A phpBB BBS web Forums front end is available for all Pietenpol-List content. content. The Forums contain all of the same content available via the email distribution and found on the various archive viewing formats such as the List Browse, etc. Any posts on the web Forums will be cross posted to the respective email List, and posts to the Email List will be cross posted to the web Forums. You may view all List content on the Forums without any special login. If you wish to post a message via the Web Forum interface, however, you will need to Register. This is a simple process that takes only a few minutes. A link to the Registration page can be found at the top of the main web Forums page. Note that registering on the Forum web site also enables you to send email posts to the Lists as well. You will also need to Subscribe to the respective Email List as described above to receive the Email Distribution of the List, however. The Matroincs Email List Web BBS Forums can be found at the following URL: http://forums.matronics.com ********************************* *** Matronics Email List Wiki *** ********************************* In an attempt to make it easy to store and find structured and often accessed information, Matronics has installed a Wiki at: http://wiki.matronics.com The Wiki allows individuals to create web pages to contain useful information for other users of the mailing lists and web site. Unlike an ordinary web page where the content needs to be submitted to Matronics for inclusion, the Wiki permits the users to construct their own pages and have them visible immediately. While constructing pages for the Wiki is not difficult, some may not be comfortable building pages. In that case, simply prepare the text and any images and email it to: wiki-support@matronics.com One of the volunteers on that list will take your submission and construct a Wiki page for you. Often someone produces a particularly useful posting in email one one of the Lists that would be of general interest. In that case Matronics may take that post and convert it into a Wiki page. ********************* *** List Archives *** ********************* A file containing of all of the previous postings to the Pietenpol-List is available on line. The archive file information is available via the Web and FTP in a number of forms. Each are briefly described below: * Pietenpol-List.FAQ - Latest version of the Pietenpol-List Frequently Asked Question page (this document). * Pietenpol-Archive.digest.complete - Complete file with most of the email header info removed and page breaks inserted between messages. * Pietenpol-Archive.digest.vol-?? - Same as the file above, but broken up into small sections that can more easily handled. * Pietenpol-Archive.digest.complete.zip - Same as the Pietenpol-Archive.digest.complete file above, but in PKZIP format. Use "binary" data transfer methods. * Pietenpol-Archive.digest.complete.Z - Same as the Pietenpol-Archive.digest.complete file above, but in UNIX compress format. Use "binary" data transfer methods. Download Via FTP ---------------- The archive file is available via anonymous FTP from ftp.matronics.com in the "/pub/Archives" directory. It is updated daily and can be found in a number of formats as described above. (All filenames are case sensitive.) ftp://ftp.matronics.com/pub/Archives Download Via Web ---------------- The archives are also available via a web listing. These can be found toward the bottom of the following web page: http://www.matronics.com/archives ****************************************** *** Complete List Web Archive Browsing *** ****************************************** All messages posted to the Pietenpol-List are also available using the Email List Archive Browsing feature. With this utility, all messages in the List are indexed, and individual sub-archives can be browsed. http://www.matronics.com/archive/archive-index.cgi?Pietenpol ***************************************** **** High-Speed Archive Search Engine *** ***************************************** You can use the custom, high-performance Matronics Email List Search Engine to quickly locate and browse any messages that have been posted to the List. The Engine allows the user to easily search any of the currently available List archives. http://www.matronics.com/search **************************** *** File and Photo Share *** **************************** With the Matronics Email List File and Photo Share you can share pictures and other data with members of the List without having to forward a copy of it to everyone. To share your Files and Photos, simply email them to: pictures@matronics.com !! ==> Please including the following information with each submission: 1) Email Lists that they are related to. 2) Your Full Name. 3) Your Email Address. 4) One line Subject description. 5) Multi-line, multi-paragraph description of topic. 6-x) One-line Description of each photo or file Prior to public availability of the files and photos, each will be scanned for viruses. Please also note that the process of making the files and photos available on the web site is a pseudo-manual process, and I try to process them every few days. Following the availability of the new Photoshare, an email message will be sent to the Email Lists enumerated in 1) above indicating that the new Share is available and what the direct URL to it is. For a current list of available Photoshares, have a look at the Main Index Page: http://www.matronics.com/photoshare ************************** *** List Archive CDROM *** ************************** A complete Matronics Email List Archive CD is available that contains all of the archives since the beginning of each of the Lists. The archives for all of the Lists are included on the CD along with a freeware search engine written by a list member. The CD is burned the day you order it and will contain archive received up to the last minute. They make great gifts! http://www.matronics.com/ArchiveCDROM ********************************** *** List Support Contributions *** ********************************** The Matronics Lists are run *completely* through the support of it members. You won't find any PopUpAds, flashing Banner ads, or any other form of annoying commercialism on either the Email Messages or the List web pages associated with the Matronics Email Lists. Every year during November I run a low-key, low-pressure "Fund Raiser" where, throughout the month, I ask List members to make a Contribution in any amount with which they are comfortable. I will often offer free gifts with certain contribution levels during the Fund Raiser to increase the participation. The gifts are usually donated by companies that are themselves List members. Your Contributions go directly to supporting the operation of the Lists including the high-speed, business-class Internet connection, server system hardware and software upgrades, and to partially offset the many many hours I spend running, maintaining, upgrading, and developing the variety of services found here. Generally Contributions range from $20 to $100 and are completely voluntary and non-compulsory. I ask only that if person enjoys the Lists and obtains value from them, that they make a Contribution of equal magnitude. Contributions are accepted throughout the year, and if you've just subscribed, feel free to make a Contribution when you've settled in. The website for making SSL Secure Contributions is listed below. There are a variety of payment methods including Visa and MasterCard, PayPal, and sending a personal check. If you enjoy and value the List, won't you make a Contribution today to support its continued operation? http://www.matronics.com/contributions Thank you! Matt Dralle Email List Administrator ****************************************************************************** Pietenpol-List Usage Guidelines ****************************************************************************** The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the Pietenpol-List. You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein. Failure to use the Pietenpol-List in the manner described below may result in the removal of the subscribers from the List. Pietenpol-List Policy Statement The purpose of the Pietenpol-List is to provide a forum of discussion for things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established: - Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc. - THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it. - Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and responses. - Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address, aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary space in the archive. - DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the web page or FAQ first. - If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it easy to find threads in the archive. - When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive can not be overstated! - When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the "reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your response to the original poster. You might have to actively address your response with the original poster's email address. - DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large. - When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly contribute something valuable. - Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing. - Occasional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularly subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by List members promoting their respective products or items for sale should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to everyone, including those who provide products to the entire community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists. ------- [This is an automated posting.] do not archive ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 11:06:05 PM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: Pietenpol-List: Official Pietenpol-List Usage Guidelines Dear Listers, Please read over the Pietenpol-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete Pietenpol-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the following URL: http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/Pietenpol-List.FAQ.html Thank you, Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ****************************************************************************** Pietenpol-List Usage Guidelines ****************************************************************************** The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the Pietenpol-List. You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein. Failure to use the Pietenpol-List in the manner described below may result in the removal of the subscribers from the List. Pietenpol-List Policy Statement The purpose of the Pietenpol-List is to provide a forum of discussion for things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established: - Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc. - THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it. - Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and responses. - Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address, aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary space in the archive. - DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the web page or FAQ first. - If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it easy to find threads in the archive. - When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive can not be overstated! - When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the "reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your response to the original poster. You might have to actively address your response with the original poster's email address. - DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large. - When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly contribute something valuable. - Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing. - Occasional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularly subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by List members promoting their respective products or items for sale should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to everyone, including those who provide products to the entire community. 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