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1. 06:41 AM - Re: Corvair engine core (aviken)
2. 06:43 AM - Re: newsletter (Charles N. Campbell)
3. 06:47 AM - Re: Re: prop is done (Rick Schreiber)
4. 10:22 AM - Shad-Venture (Douwe Blumberg)
5. 11:54 AM - Re: BMW version 70hp (crusty old aviator)
6. 12:40 PM - Re: BMW version 70hp (nightmare)
7. 01:27 PM - Re: Re: BMW version 70hp (Keith)
8. 01:27 PM - Re: BMW version 70hp (Braniff1966)
9. 01:30 PM - Re: BMW version 70hp (Braniff1966)
10. 01:51 PM - Vasek's production of Historic Propellers (Vasek)
11. 02:00 PM - Re: BMW version 70hp (Vasek)
12. 02:49 PM - Re: Re: BMW version 70hp (Kip and Beth Gardner)
13. 02:55 PM - Re: BMW version 70hp (nightmare)
14. 05:41 PM - Re: Shad-Venture (shad bell)
15. 06:25 PM - Re: Vasek's production of Historic Propellers (Steven Dortch)
16. 06:36 PM - Re: Re: BMW version 70hp (Steven Dortch)
17. 06:50 PM - Re: Vasek's production of Historic Propellers (Steven Dortch)
18. 07:04 PM - Re: Vasek's production of Historic Propellers (Ray Krause)
19. 08:24 PM - Re: Corvair engine core (taildrags)
20. 08:27 PM - Re: Corvair engine core (taildrags)
21. 09:06 PM - swinging the compass (taildrags)
22. 10:38 PM - Re: swinging the compass (glenschweizer@yahoo.com)
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| Subject: | Re: Corvair engine core |
This is probably not information needed, but I just looked on EBAY and there are
a few corvair engines listed there, One complete core for 350 dollars buy it
now price. I didn't notice where it was located.
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=419630#419630
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No! Dam. you are not the last -- I haven't gotten mine either! Chuck
On Sat, Mar 1, 2014 at 7:03 PM, <danhelsper@aol.com> wrote:
> Still no newsletter.....am I the last one?
>
> Dan Helsper
> Puryear, TN
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: shad bell <aviatorbell@yahoo.com>
> To: pietenpol-list <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Fri, Feb 28, 2014 2:52 pm
> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: newsletter
>
>
> I was told if I like my news letter I could keep my newsletter......
>
> Shad
>
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> On Thu, 2/27/14, Jack Phillips <jack@bedfordlandings.com> wrote:
>
> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: newsletter
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Date: Thursday, February 27, 2014, 3:40 PM
>
>
> Mine still
> hasn't shown up in the
> wilds of the Blue Ridge Mountains of Virginia .
> Who is this John Hofmann, anyway, and what right does he
> have to hold my
> newsletter hostage?
>
>
> Jack
> Phillips
>
> NX899JP
>
>
> Smith
> Mountain Lake, Virginia
>
>
> From:
> owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com <owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com?>] On Behalf Of Ralph
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> Sent:
> Thursday, February 27, 2014
> 12:35 PM
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> To:
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> Subject: Re:
> Pietenpol-List:
> newsletter
>
>
> The
> newsletter finally
> arrived in the plains of eastern South
> Dakota . Great job. I appreciate the work
> being done to provide us with the
> articles.
>
>
> Ralph
> Hurlbert
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Listhttp://forums.matronics.comhttp://www.matronics.com/contribution
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> " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
> tp://forums.matronics.com
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| Subject: | Re: prop is done |
On 2/28/2014 6:33 AM, womenfly2 wrote:
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> Who's Piper L-4 in back of your plane?
>
> Curious .... WF2
>
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> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=419484#419484
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Keri-Ann,
Its actually a Taylorcraft L-2. It belongs to a friend who has let me
use his heated hangar during the past couple of winters while I finish
up the Piet.
Rick Schreiber
Valparaiso, IN
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Sorry Shad, I had a brain fart. I have NO idea why I wrote Chad, I think my
fingers just did it automatically as I have a client named Chad.
Apologies,
Douwe
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| Subject: | Re: BMW version 70hp |
If the Beemer can produce 70 HP at 2000 rpm, yes!
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| Subject: | Re: BMW version 70hp |
Probably needs a reduction drive and even with that probably too light. 5 ft motor
mount or weights up front. I would say not worth the trouble, but to each
his own.
--------
Paul Donahue
Started 8-3-12
do not archive
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=419656#419656
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| Subject: | Re: BMW version 70hp |
Interesting subject this.
If you search for G-BYFT on google you will see what I mean.
I have personally seen the aircraft in operation off a 500 Yd strip with
two big boys aboard and it was off and climbing like a homesick angle in
less that 200 Yards and climbs @ 650 Ft Min.
Watch out for G-BYFT in this Youtube video, it is the second aircraft in
the mass takeoff. It also uses about half the Mogas that a C90 uses,
which means a lot over here in the UK where 100LL is coming out the
pumps at around 12 dollars 70 cents per US gallon!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMF_-EDx42Q
Keith Hodge
Builder of almost finished G-BYKG a long Fuselage Pietenpol.
On 02/03/2014 20:40, nightmare wrote:
>
> Probably needs a reduction drive and even with that probably too light. 5 ft
motor mount or weights up front. I would say not worth the trouble, but to each
his own.
>
> --------
> Paul Donahue
> Started 8-3-12
> do not archive
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=419656#419656
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| Subject: | Re: BMW version 70hp |
try an a65 75 or 85..these are aircraft engines.. bmw is a car engine and probably
a poor choice for even that..
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=419661#419661
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| Subject: | Re: BMW version 70hp |
[
bmw makes sorry bikes.. read the maint reports..
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| Subject: | Vasek's production of Historic Propellers |
Hello,
Because some of you expressed interest in my business, here you have a little tasting
from my workshop :)
My little company has two employees, they are of the same age like me (I'm 22).
We are in the Czech Republic (Central Europe) and it has been two
years since I sold my first propeller.
I have always been a big fan of the first twenty years of aviation and wanted to
build an aircraft of this era. But because I had no money, I at least made a
propeller :)
Now we sell reproductions of WW1 wooden propellers, scaled down or full size, around
the whole world. They are decorative, people order them to hang them in
their livingrooms, offices. Once I would like to make also airworthy propellers,
but that is a far future at the moment. Right now our propellers are handwork,
precise handwork, and even though the amount of documentation of these old
props is very limited, I am sure that our propellers are very similar, some identical,
to the original ones.
Other products we offer are reproductions of structural parts of these aircraft.
Both decorative and functional.
Our objective is to remind people the beautiful era of aviation, the wooden propeller
is symbol of this era.
And thanks to this idea, I can now afford to build a Pietenpol. :)
If you want to visit my website, it is http://HistoricPropellers.com
Here you can browse some pictures: http://facebook.com/DreveneVrtule
That's the whole story. I am enclosing some pictures, so take a look ;)
See ya in the sky!
--------
My production of WW1 propellers, trophies and constructions:
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=419664#419664
Attachments:
http://forums.matronics.com//files/propeller_camel23_nov2013_133.jpg
http://forums.matronics.com//files/axial_fokkerd7_182.jpg
http://forums.matronics.com//files/sopwith_propeller_strzinek_585.jpg
http://forums.matronics.com//files/camel_2_3_strzinek_historic_propellers_229.jpg
http://forums.matronics.com//files/spad7_ebora_historicpropellers_836.jpg
http://forums.matronics.com//files/sopwithcamel_drevenevrtule_strzinek_196.jpg
http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_3350_197.jpg
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| Subject: | Re: BMW version 70hp |
Fords and Corvairs and not very common here in Europe, so I am searching for alternatives
:)
Thanks for your comments!
--------
My production of WW1 propellers, trophies and constructions:
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=419665#419665
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| Subject: | Re: BMW version 70hp |
Vasek,
Given that those engines are not common in Europe (I would love to
visit the Czech Republic some day, most people do not realize your
country's contributions to European & western culture), I might
suggest that you seek out a water-cooled 4-cylinder engine that has a
power curve similar to the Ford Model A, either inherently, or by
installing a modified cam. There are many of these available - modern
Ford engines like the Fiesta and Pinto, possibly the 4-cylinder engine
that powered Toyota Trucks in the late 1970's - early 1980's period,
engines from any number of European cars (Fiat, perhaps?). You would
convert these very similarly to converting the Model A, so you would
have a a path to follow. I was considering doing this with my old
Toyota truck engine until I lucked onto a free Corvair engine.
Kip Gardner
On Mar 2, 2014, at 5:00 PM, Vasek wrote:
>
> Fords and Corvairs and not very common here in Europe, so I am
> searching for alternatives :)
>
> Thanks for your comments!
>
> --------
> My production of WW1 propellers, trophies and constructions:
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=419665#419665
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: BMW version 70hp |
Maybe speak to the owner and get more info. See if he has any regrets or not. I
hate to criticize something I know very little about. Good luck. Cheers.
--------
Paul Donahue
Started 8-3-12
do not archive
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=419669#419669
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| Subject: | Re: Shad-Venture |
No Worries, I wasnt really yelling, I am used to it after about 36 years.
- I still wonder why-Mom and Dad-named me Shad.- Chaz, Chad, Shade,
Shap, I've been called them all.- I think AOPA still has me as Shap.....
Just remember it's like sh_ _, but instead of I, T,-- It is A, D.=0A
-=0AShad=0Ado not archive=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom
: Douwe Blumberg <douweblumberg@earthlink.net>=0ATo: pietenpolgroup <pieten
pol-list@matronics.com> =0ASent: Sunday, March 2, 2014 1:20 PM=0ASubject: P
ietenpol-List: Shad-Venture=0A=0A=0A=0ASorry Shad, I had a brain fart.- I
have NO idea why I wrote Chad , I think my fingers just did it automatical
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| Subject: | Re: Vasek's production of Historic Propellers |
Yahoo! Awesome props and "Constructions"
You should be able to make your own Prop for the Pietenpol. And you have a
big leg up on a lot of people who have not made a Pietenpol and are scared
of cloth and wood!
There is no reason that you could not break into the Prop or construction
business.
Blue Skies,
Steve D
On Sun, Mar 2, 2014 at 3:51 PM, Vasek <bigon2@seznam.cz> wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> Because some of you expressed interest in my business, here you have a
> little tasting from my workshop :)
>
> My little company has two employees, they are of the same age like me (I'
m
> 22). We are in the Czech Republic (Central Europe) and it has been two
> years since I sold my first propeller.
>
> I have always been a big fan of the first twenty years of aviation and
> wanted to build an aircraft of this era. But because I had no money, I at
> least made a propeller :)
>
> Now we sell reproductions of WW1 wooden propellers, scaled down or full
> size, around the whole world. They are decorative, people order them to
> hang them in their livingrooms, offices. Once I would like to make also
> airworthy propellers, but that is a far future at the moment. Right now o
ur
> propellers are handwork, precise handwork, and even though the amount of
> documentation of these old props is very limited, I am sure that our
> propellers are very similar, some identical, to the original ones.
>
> Other products we offer are reproductions of structural parts of these
> aircraft. Both decorative and functional.
>
> Our objective is to remind people the beautiful era of aviation, the
> wooden propeller is symbol of this era.
>
> And thanks to this idea, I can now afford to build a Pietenpol. :)
>
> If you want to visit my website, it is http://HistoricPropellers.com
> Here you can browse some pictures: http://facebook.com/DreveneVrtule
>
> That's the whole story. I am enclosing some pictures, so take a look ;)
>
> See ya in the sky!
>
> --------
> My production of WW1 propellers, trophies and constructions:
> =88=BC
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=419664#419664
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/propeller_camel23_nov2013_133.jpg
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/axial_fokkerd7_182.jpg
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/sopwith_propeller_strzinek_585.jpg
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/camel_2_3_strzinek_historic_propellers
_229.jpg
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/spad7_ebora_historicpropellers_836.jpg
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/sopwithcamel_drevenevrtule_strzinek_19
6.jpg
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_3350_197.jpg
>
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| Subject: | Re: BMW version 70hp |
That might be true now, but when I was an avid motorcyclist (Yamahas and a
Honda) 1974-1986. BMW was far and away the most reliable thing going.
That would be the time frame for the 70HP air cooled motor we are
describing.
Weight wise you could push your battery up front and definitely keep the
starter.
Could you leave the Tranny on it and simply use it as the drive reduction?
Could you mount the engine in the same manner as it is on the Motorcycle
and add a gearbox that redirected the driveshaft to the front of the plane?
Ideas are free and it is cold (35 degrees) here so I can't work in the
garage.
Blue Skies,
Steve D
San Antonio
On Sun, Mar 2, 2014 at 3:29 PM, Braniff1966 <jnl96@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> [
> bmw makes sorry bikes.. read the maint reports..
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=419662#419662
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Vasek's production of Historic Propellers |
Perhaps your Piet should have some styling to remind us of a pre WWII Avia
or Letov.
Are there any old Waltor Minor engines floating around? they are somewhat
comparable to at Contental O200 while about 30 pounds heavier.
Blue Skies,
Steve D
On Sun, Mar 2, 2014 at 8:24 PM, Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch@gmail.com>wr
ote:
> Yahoo! Awesome props and "Constructions"
>
> You should be able to make your own Prop for the Pietenpol. And you have
a
> big leg up on a lot of people who have not made a Pietenpol and are scare
d
> of cloth and wood!
>
> There is no reason that you could not break into the Prop or construction
> business.
>
> Blue Skies,
> Steve D
>
>
> On Sun, Mar 2, 2014 at 3:51 PM, Vasek <bigon2@seznam.cz> wrote:
>
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> Because some of you expressed interest in my business, here you have a
>> little tasting from my workshop :)
>>
>> My little company has two employees, they are of the same age like me
>> (I'm 22). We are in the Czech Republic (Central Europe) and it has been
two
>> years since I sold my first propeller.
>>
>> I have always been a big fan of the first twenty years of aviation and
>> wanted to build an aircraft of this era. But because I had no money, I a
t
>> least made a propeller :)
>>
>> Now we sell reproductions of WW1 wooden propellers, scaled down or full
>> size, around the whole world. They are decorative, people order them to
>> hang them in their livingrooms, offices. Once I would like to make also
>> airworthy propellers, but that is a far future at the moment. Right now
our
>> propellers are handwork, precise handwork, and even though the amount of
>> documentation of these old props is very limited, I am sure that our
>> propellers are very similar, some identical, to the original ones.
>>
>> Other products we offer are reproductions of structural parts of these
>> aircraft. Both decorative and functional.
>>
>> Our objective is to remind people the beautiful era of aviation, the
>> wooden propeller is symbol of this era.
>>
>> And thanks to this idea, I can now afford to build a Pietenpol. :)
>>
>> If you want to visit my website, it is http://HistoricPropellers.com
>> Here you can browse some pictures: http://facebook.com/DreveneVrtule
>>
>> That's the whole story. I am enclosing some pictures, so take a look ;)
>>
>> See ya in the sky!
>>
>> --------
>> My production of WW1 propellers, trophies and constructions:
>> =88=BC
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=419664#419664
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Attachments:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/propeller_camel23_nov2013_133.jpg
>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/axial_fokkerd7_182.jpg
>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/sopwith_propeller_strzinek_585.jpg
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/camel_2_3_strzinek_historic_propeller
s_229.jpg
>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/spad7_ebora_historicpropellers_836.jp
g
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/sopwithcamel_drevenevrtule_strzinek_1
96.jpg
>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_3350_197.jpg
>>
>>
>>
>>
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| Subject: | Re: Vasek's production of Historic Propellers |
Vasek,
Wow, beautiful work! You will build a BEAUTIFUL Pietenpol! Thanks for all the
photos. Too bad you are so faraway.
Thanks,
Ray Krause
Building SkyScout
Sent from my iPad
> On Mar 2, 2014, at 1:51 PM, "Vasek" <bigon2@seznam.cz> wrote:
>
>
> Hello,
>
> Because some of you expressed interest in my business, here you have a little
tasting from my workshop :)
>
> My little company has two employees, they are of the same age like me (I'm 22).
We are in the Czech Republic (Central Europe) and it has been two
> years since I sold my first propeller.
>
> I have always been a big fan of the first twenty years of aviation and wanted
to build an aircraft of this era. But because I had no money, I at least made
a propeller :)
>
> Now we sell reproductions of WW1 wooden propellers, scaled down or full size,
around the whole world. They are decorative, people order them to hang them in
their livingrooms, offices. Once I would like to make also airworthy propellers,
but that is a far future at the moment. Right now our propellers are handwork,
precise handwork, and even though the amount of documentation of these old
props is very limited, I am sure that our propellers are very similar, some
identical, to the original ones.
>
> Other products we offer are reproductions of structural parts of these aircraft.
Both decorative and functional.
>
> Our objective is to remind people the beautiful era of aviation, the wooden propeller
is symbol of this era.
>
> And thanks to this idea, I can now afford to build a Pietenpol. :)
>
> If you want to visit my website, it is http://HistoricPropellers.com
> Here you can browse some pictures: http://facebook.com/DreveneVrtule
>
> That's the whole story. I am enclosing some pictures, so take a look ;)
>
> See ya in the sky!
>
> --------
> My production of WW1 propellers, trophies and constructions:
>
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=419664#419664
>
>
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/propeller_camel23_nov2013_133.jpg
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/axial_fokkerd7_182.jpg
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| Subject: | Re: Corvair engine core |
A gentleman south of me, in northern California, was looking for a core some months
ago and contacted me to see if I could help. I suggested that he search
for Corsa clubs in his area to see if they could help. When I asked him about
it later, he said that he got the cold shoulder from Corsa because they believe
that we are destroying good auto engines, discarding useful parts, and removing
the best engines from the remaining inventory of rebuildable Corvair engines.
Bottom line, don't expect to get a smile and a handshake from every Corsa
member when you tell them that you're looking for a core engine to convert to
aircraft use.
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| Subject: | Re: Corvair engine core |
On the other hand, if you can find one of these (photo attached), I can pretty
much guarantee that you will NOT end up with a tail-heavy Piet and it will swing
the biggest prop you can put on it.
do not archive
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| Subject: | swinging the compass |
Okay, so one of the items on my return to airworthiness to-do list is to "swing
the compass" so I can fill out the compass deviation card. Several annual inspections
ago, I was written up for not having a deviation card on the compass,
so I got one. It was blank, but no matter... I had one and the annual was issued.
Go figure.
Now that everything is pretty much back in place on the airplane I'm ready to swing
the compass and fill out the deviation card. Supposedly, the compass should
be re-swung anytime you add or remove anything ferrous or electronic, or if
you've had a jolt or accident, or if the airplane has been sitting on the same
heading for more than a year or something (which mine has). I've read up on
the procedure (quite simple) and am getting the requisite brass screwdriver
to make the adjustments with.
There is no compass rose on my home field, so I plan to fly 24NM to a nearby field
which does have a rose, and I'll swing the compass in proper fashion. The
regs say that if I can get the principal headings to read within 10* of correct
heading after adjusting the compensators in the compass, I'm good to go. Anybody
else have any comments, tips, or stories about swinging your compass?
I actually find my compass to be very useful for my simple kind of flying, since
I don't have a NAV and although I have a Garmin GPSMap 196, I haven't used
it in the Piet.
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| Subject: | Re: swinging the compass |
Hi Oscar
It's exciting to hear of your progress. Just an FYI, The 99's(a ladies pilot
organization ) does a lot of compass rose painting at many airports. You may
want to contact them for a rose at your airport
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> On Mar 2, 2014, at 9:06 PM, "taildrags" <taildrags@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> Okay, so one of the items on my return to airworthiness to-do list is to "swing
the compass" so I can fill out the compass deviation card. Several annual
inspections ago, I was written up for not having a deviation card on the compass,
so I got one. It was blank, but no matter... I had one and the annual was
issued. Go figure.
>
> Now that everything is pretty much back in place on the airplane I'm ready to
swing the compass and fill out the deviation card. Supposedly, the compass should
be re-swung anytime you add or remove anything ferrous or electronic, or
if you've had a jolt or accident, or if the airplane has been sitting on the
same heading for more than a year or something (which mine has). I've read up
on the procedure (quite simple) and am getting the requisite brass screwdriver
to make the adjustments with.
>
> There is no compass rose on my home field, so I plan to fly 24NM to a nearby
field which does have a rose, and I'll swing the compass in proper fashion. The
regs say that if I can get the principal headings to read within 10* of correct
heading after adjusting the compensators in the compass, I'm good to go.
Anybody else have any comments, tips, or stories about swinging your compass?
I actually find my compass to be very useful for my simple kind of flying, since
I don't have a NAV and although I have a Garmin GPSMap 196, I haven't used
it in the Piet.
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