---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 03/03/14: 26 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:06 AM - Re: swinging the compass (Jack Phillips) 2. 05:09 AM - Re: Vasek's production of Historic Propellers (danhelsper@aol.com) 3. 05:11 AM - Re: swinging the compass (john francis) 4. 06:25 AM - Re: swinging the compass (Steven Dortch) 5. 06:40 AM - Re: newsletter (Barry Davis) 6. 06:55 AM - Re: newsletter (Don Emch) 7. 09:05 AM - Re: swinging the compass (taildrags) 8. 09:45 AM - Re: Vasek's production of Historic Propellers (Vasek) 9. 09:54 AM - my Uncle Tony talks about how to swing a compass...and then some. (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]) 10. 09:54 AM - Scimitar propeller drawings (Vasek) 11. 10:05 AM - Re: Re: Wheels, diameter, width (larharris2 Harris) 12. 10:10 AM - Re: Re: Wheels, diameter, width (Out of Office) (TOM STINEMETZE) 13. 11:31 AM - Re: Re: Wheels, diameter, width (Brian Kenney) 14. 11:39 AM - Re: Re: Wheels, diameter, width (larharris2 Harris) 15. 02:31 PM - Re: Wheels, diameter, width (Vasek) 16. 02:57 PM - Re: Re: Wheels, diameter, width (Brian Kenney) 17. 03:09 PM - Re: swinging the compass (Johnkuhfahl) 18. 03:29 PM - Re: swinging the compass (taildrags) 19. 05:05 PM - Re: Re: swinging the compass (Gary Boothe) 20. 05:38 PM - Re: newsletter (GNflyer) 21. 06:23 PM - Re: my Uncle Tony talks about how to swing a compass...and then some. (Gary Boothe) 22. 07:29 PM - Re: my Uncle Tony talks about how to swing a compass...and then (taildrags) 23. 08:13 PM - Re: Re: my Uncle Tony talks about how to swing a compass...and then (Steven Dortch) 24. 08:22 PM - Re: my Uncle Tony talks about how to swing a compass...and then (taildrags) 25. 08:51 PM - Re: my Uncle Tony talks about how to swing a compass...and then (Braniff1966) 26. 09:47 PM - Re: my Uncle Tony talks about how to swing a compass...and then (taildrags) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:06:29 AM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: swinging the compass Oscar, Just be sure that you have the airplane in level flight attitude, and be sure the controls are neutral, or close to it. Try moving that steel tube joystick around and see how much your compass moves in response. It varies of course with compass location, but mine, with the compass mounted near the top of the instrument panel, changes by 10 or 20 degrees depending on the position of the stick. I learned to check the compass against the runway heading when pulling out onto the runway when I was a student pilot on my first dual cross country. I was flying a Cessna 150, with the compass mounted on top of the instrument panel. My instructor set his steel coffee cup (one of the old blue enameled camp style) on top of the instrument panel right next to the compass when he got in. I set the directional gyro to the compass, not realizing the compass was off by about 50 degrees. After taking off, I tried to set my course and realized something was wrong, but the magnetic compass and gyro compass agreed with each other. My instructor asked what was wrong, and I explained my confusion. He just started laughing. It's not nice to try to confuse a 16 year old kid, but I certainly learned from that experience. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of taildrags Sent: Monday, March 03, 2014 12:06 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: swinging the compass Okay, so one of the items on my return to airworthiness to-do list is to "swing the compass" so I can fill out the compass deviation card. Several annual inspections ago, I was written up for not having a deviation card on the compass, so I got one. It was blank, but no matter... I had one and the annual was issued. Go figure. Now that everything is pretty much back in place on the airplane I'm ready to swing the compass and fill out the deviation card. Supposedly, the compass should be re-swung anytime you add or remove anything ferrous or electronic, or if you've had a jolt or accident, or if the airplane has been sitting on the same heading for more than a year or something (which mine has). I've read up on the procedure (quite simple) and am getting the requisite brass screwdriver to make the adjustments with. There is no compass rose on my home field, so I plan to fly 24NM to a nearby field which does have a rose, and I'll swing the compass in proper fashion. The regs say that if I can get the principal headings to read within 10* of correct heading after adjusting the compensators in the compass, I'm good to go. Anybody else have any comments, tips, or stories about swinging your compass? I actually find my compass to be very useful for my simple kind of flying, since I don't have a NAV and although I have a Garmin GPSMap 196, I haven't used it in the Piet. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=419693#419693 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:09:32 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Vasek's production of Historic Propellers From: danhelsper@aol.com Wow Vasek those props are magnificent! I really admire you for being able t o carve those beauties, and to be able to make it into a business for yours elf is a huge bonus. Good for you and your friends. Wishing you all the bes t! Dan Helsper Puryear, TN -----Original Message----- From: Vasek Sent: Sun, Mar 2, 2014 3:52 pm Subject: Pietenpol-List: Vasek's production of Historic Propellers Hello, Because some of you expressed interest in my business, here you have a litt le tasting from my workshop :) My little company has two employees, they are of the same age like me (I'm 22). We are in the Czech Republic (Central Europe) and it has been two years since I sold my first propeller. I have always been a big fan of the first twenty years of aviation and want ed to build an aircraft of this era. But because I had no money, I at least made a propeller :) Now we sell reproductions of WW1 wooden propellers, scaled down or full siz e, around the whole world. They are decorative, people order them to hang them in their livingrooms, offices. Once I would like to make also airworthy propel lers, but that is a far future at the moment. Right now our propellers are handwo rk, precise handwork, and even though the amount of documentation of these old props is very limited, I am sure that our propellers are very similar, some ident ical, to the original ones. Other products we offer are reproductions of structural parts of these airc raft. Both decorative and functional. Our objective is to remind people the beautiful era of aviation, the wooden propeller is symbol of this era. And thanks to this idea, I can now afford to build a Pietenpol. :) If you want to visit my website, it is http://HistoricPropellers.com Here you can browse some pictures: http://facebook.com/DreveneVrtule That's the whole story. I am enclosing some pictures, so take a look ;) See ya in the sky! -------- My production of WW1 propellers, trophies and constructions: =C3=A2=C2=88=C2=BC Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=419664#419664 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/propeller_camel23_nov2013_133.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/axial_fokkerd7_182.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/sopwith_propeller_strzinek_585.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/camel_2_3_strzinek_historic_propellers_2 29.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/spad7_ebora_historicpropellers_836.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/sopwithcamel_drevenevrtule_strzinek_196. jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_3350_197.jpg ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:11:24 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: swinging the compass From: "john francis" Is it required to be set at a compass rose? I can see it as a two man job if the aircraft has to be level and the engine running. Can it be done with a gps unit on board? -------- John Francis Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=419714#419714 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:25:57 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: swinging the compass From: Steven Dortch Oscar, Don't forget to use non magnetic screwdrivers to do the adjusting. I actually made a couple from brass wire by flattening the ends. Basically, Go to the rose with the engine running, point it North and adjust it as best you can, then East, South and West readjusting on each heading and back to North. You may decide to split the differences. Then go back and check again noting the deviation remaining. You are supposed to have the deviation written on your card. That is about it. Blue Skies, Steve D On Sun, Mar 2, 2014 at 11:06 PM, taildrags wrote: > > Okay, so one of the items on my return to airworthiness to-do list is to > "swing the compass" so I can fill out the compass deviation card. Several > annual inspections ago, I was written up for not having a deviation card on > the compass, so I got one. It was blank, but no matter... I had one and > the annual was issued. Go figure. > > Now that everything is pretty much back in place on the airplane I'm ready > to swing the compass and fill out the deviation card. Supposedly, the > compass should be re-swung anytime you add or remove anything ferrous or > electronic, or if you've had a jolt or accident, or if the airplane has > been sitting on the same heading for more than a year or something (which > mine has). I've read up on the procedure (quite simple) and am getting the > requisite brass screwdriver to make the adjustments with. > > There is no compass rose on my home field, so I plan to fly 24NM to a > nearby field which does have a rose, and I'll swing the compass in proper > fashion. The regs say that if I can get the principal headings to read > within 10* of correct heading after adjusting the compensators in the > compass, I'm good to go. Anybody else have any comments, tips, or stories > about swinging your compass? I actually find my compass to be very useful > for my simple kind of flying, since I don't have a NAV and although I have > a Garmin GPSMap 196, I haven't used it in the Piet. > > -------- > Oscar Zuniga > Medford, OR > Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" > A75 power > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=419693#419693 > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:40:37 AM PST US From: "Barry Davis" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: newsletter Keep Calm - Me Either! Barry From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charles N. Campbell Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2014 9:43 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: newsletter No! Dam. you are not the last -- I haven't gotten mine either! Chuck On Sat, Mar 1, 2014 at 7:03 PM, wrote: Still no newsletter.....am I the last one? Dan Helsper Puryear, TN -----Original Message----- From: shad bell Sent: Fri, Feb 28, 2014 2:52 pm Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: newsletter I was told if I like my news letter I could keep my newsletter...... Shad -------------------------------------------- On Thu, 2/27/14, Jack Phillips wrote: Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: newsletter To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Date: Thursday, February 27, 2014, 3:40 PM Mine still hasn't shown up in the wilds of the Blue Ridge Mountains of Virginia . Who is this John Hofmann, anyway, and what right does he have to hold my newsletter hostage? Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com ] On Behalf Of Ralph Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2014 12:35 PM To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: newsletter The newsletter finally arrived in the plains of eastern South Dakota . Great job. I appreciate the work being done to provide us with the articles. Ralph Hurlbert http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Listhttp://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List tp://forums.matronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List tp://forums.matronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:55:59 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: newsletter From: "Don Emch" "Smile son, never disconcert the masses." In other words, don't worry, it'll come... Don Emch NX899DE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=419719#419719 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:05:51 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: swinging the compass From: "taildrags" John; there are ways to do it in the air, using the GPS, but to me it's easier to do it on the ground with a compass rose than in the air. Steve; well, duh... notice that I mentioned the brass screwdriver in my post? ;o) Also, you don't describe the procedure quite right. You only take out half the difference when you turn to the S and W headings. Jack; believe me, I have noticed the very effect that you mention, with the compass slowly moving away from heading if the stick is moved closer or farther from the compass. Duly noted, sir! -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=419722#419722 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:45:38 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Vasek's production of Historic Propellers From: "Vasek" Thank you for the nice words, I very appreciate it. I can post photos of some of our interesting projects if you wish. We will have a four-blade propeller from R.E.8 soon in the "old style" and a big beautiful Chauviere prop from D.H.1. > Perhaps your Piet should have some styling to remind us of a pre WWII Avia or Letov. It definitely could have! Do you have any suggestions? > Are there any old Waltor Minor engines floating around? they are somewhat comparable to at Contental O200 while about 30 pounds heavier. Yes, I think that I could find some, but I have a feedback from a guy who had GN-1 that the Walter was too weak. He replaced it with Subaru with a reduction drive. > There is no reason that you could not break into the Prop or construction business. The question is, would people be interested in these carved propellers? I mean, airworthy? Such a prop would be at least three times more expensive than it is now. -------- My production of WW1 propellers, trophies and constructions: Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=419726#419726 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:54:42 AM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" Subject: Pietenpol-List: my Uncle Tony talks about how to swing a compass...and then some. I love my Uncle Tony. Whatta guy! [cid:image001.png@01CF36DF.AECCFBB0] [cid:image002.png@01CF36DF.AECCFBB0] [cid:image003.png@01CF36DF.AECCFBB0] [cid:image004.png@01CF36DF.AECCFBB0] [cid:image005.png@01CF36DF.AECCFBB0] ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:54:55 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Scimitar propeller drawings From: "Vasek" In case I would decide to carve my own propeller, would it be possible to obtain drawings for a scimitar or any other nice propeller for a Piet? Or could you direct me some place where these plans are available, if there are any? Thank you, Vasek -------- My production of WW1 propellers, trophies and constructions: Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=419727#419727 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 10:05:50 AM PST US From: larharris2 Harris Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wheels, diameter, width I am studying the same. How did you handle the axle diameter? Lorenzo > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wheels=2C diameter=2C width > From: brian.kenney@live.ca > Date: Sun=2C 2 Mar 2014 07:36:45 +1300 > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > > > I have honda 350 rear motorcycle wheels. They come in 18 and I believe 19 inch rims but I have the 18 inch by 3 inch tires. These rims are cheap and plentiful and have there own brakes. I use them on the wood gear with the straight axle. They have easily more than 1500 landings on them. > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 10:10:33 AM PST US From: "TOM STINEMETZE" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wheels, diameter, width (Out of Office) Tom Stinemetze will be unavailable for the remainder of the month of March. I will be back in my office on April 1, 2013. >>> larharris2 Harris 03/03/14 12:05 >>> I am studying the same. How did you handle the axle diameter? Lorenzo > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wheels, diameter, width > From: brian.kenney@live.ca > Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2014 07:36:45 +1300 > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > > > I have honda 350 rear motorcycle wheels. They come in 18 and I believe 19 inch rims but I have the 18 inch by 3 inch tires. These rims are cheap and plentiful and have there own brakes. I use them on the wood gear with the straight axle. They have easily more than 1500 landings on them. > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 11:31:36 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wheels, diameter, width From: Brian Kenney I replaced the bearings with bronze bushings with 1.5" inside diameter. The b reak plate is machined for a piece of 1.5" I.D. Scaffold tubing and welded i n. The brake lever is shortened. I can help you thru it with sketches if you want. Sent from my iPad > On Mar 4, 2014, at 7:09 AM, "larharris2 Harris" wrote : > > I am studying the same. How did you handle the axle diameter? > > Lorenzo > > > > > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wheels, diameter, width > > From: brian.kenney@live.ca > > Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2014 07:36:45 +1300 > > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > > > > > > > I have honda 350 rear motorcycle wheels. They come in 18 and I believe 1 9 inch rims but I have the 18 inch by 3 inch tires. These rims are cheap and plentiful and have there own brakes. I use them on the wood gear with the s traight axle. They have easily more than 1500 landings on them. > > > > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 11:39:15 AM PST US From: larharris2 Harris Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wheels, diameter, width Many thanks for the reply. I'm going to do something similar. Lorenzo Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wheels=2C diameter=2C width From: brian.kenney@live.ca I replaced the bearings with bronze bushings with 1.5" inside diameter. The break plate is machined for a piece of 1.5" I.D. Scaffold tubing and welde d in. The brake lever is shortened. I can help you thru it with sketches if you want. Sent from my iPad On Mar 4=2C 2014=2C at 7:09 AM=2C "larharris2 Harris" wrote: =0A =0A =0A I am studying the same. How did you handle the axle diameter? Lorenzo > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wheels=2C diameter=2C width > From: brian.kenney@live.ca > Date: Sun=2C 2 Mar 2014 07:36:45 +1300 > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > > > I have honda 350 rear motorcycle wheels. They come in 18 and I believe 19 inch rims but I have the 18 inch by 3 inch tires. These rims are cheap and plentiful and have there own brakes. I use them on the wood gear with the straight axle. 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Thank you. -------- My production of WW1 propellers, trophies and constructions: Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=419739#419739 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 02:57:25 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wheels, diameter, width From: Brian Kenney Yes. It will take a few days before I m home. I think you need at least 2.75" tires Sent from my iPad > On Mar 4, 2014, at 11:34 AM, "Vasek" wrote: > > > I found aluminium rims, 21" x 1.5" - aren't they too narrow? I thought they should be at least 2.5" wide? > > Brain, could I ask you for the sketches, please? > > Thank you. > > -------- > My production of WW1 propellers, trophies and constructions: > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=419739#419739 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 03:09:10 PM PST US From: Johnkuhfahl Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: swinging the compass Although swinging the compass is a good and important check, fear not--that c ompass will get you home even if it is off a few degrees. In my sailboat ou t in the Atlantic, that's all I had, and it got me home-always. Calibrated? Nope! Sent from my iPad On Mar 3, 2014, at 8:25 AM, Steven Dortch wrote: > Oscar, Don't forget to use non magnetic screwdrivers to do the adjusting. I actually made a couple from brass wire by flattening the ends. > > Basically, Go to the rose with the engine running, point it North and adj ust it as best you can, then East, South and West readjusting on each headin g and back to North. You may decide to split the differences. Then go back a nd check again noting the deviation remaining. You are supposed to have the d eviation written on your card. That is about it. > > Blue Skies, > Steve D > > On Sun, Mar 2, 2014 at 11:06 PM, taildrags wrote: > > Okay, so one of the items on my return to airworthiness to-do list is to " swing the compass" so I can fill out the compass deviation card. Several an nual inspections ago, I was written up for not having a deviation card on th e compass, so I got one. It was blank, but no matter... I had one and the a nnual was issued. Go figure. > > Now that everything is pretty much back in place on the airplane I'm ready to swing the compass and fill out the deviation card. Supposedly, the comp ass should be re-swung anytime you add or remove anything ferrous or electro nic, or if you've had a jolt or accident, or if the airplane has been sittin g on the same heading for more than a year or something (which mine has). I 've read up on the procedure (quite simple) and am getting the requisite bra ss screwdriver to make the adjustments with. > > There is no compass rose on my home field, so I plan to fly 24NM to a near by field which does have a rose, and I'll swing the compass in proper fashio n. The regs say that if I can get the principal headings to read within 10* of correct heading after adjusting the compensators in the compass, I'm goo d to go. Anybody else have any comments, tips, or stories about swinging yo ur compass? I actually find my compass to be very useful for my simple kind of flying, since I don't have a NAV and although I have a Garmin GPSMap 196 , I haven't used it in the Piet. > > -------- > Oscar Zuniga > Medford, OR > Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" > A75 power > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=419693#419693 > s List Un/Subscription, > www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List" target="_blank">http://www.m atronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > ronics.com/" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com > Matt Dralle, List Admin. > ==== > > > > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 03:29:26 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: swinging the compass From: "taildrags" John K.- Well, yes- "close" is close enough, but for two things. (1) those pesky FARs (or CARS or whatever they're called nowadays) call for no more than 10 degrees off on any of the cardinal headings, or you have to take more drastic action, and (2) back to what I said before... if you do it right the first time, you only have to do it once. I doubt that I'll ever get ramp checked, but you never know. And I doubt that any inspector would ever write me up for my compass being out by more than 10 degrees, but you never know. Some inspector could catch me when he's having a bad day and just be itching to hang somebody on a technicality, then it's "Alice's Restaurant" all over again and I'll be down there sitting on the Group W bench with all these other guys who failed to fill out their compass deviation cards or report major changes to their aircraft. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=419744#419744 ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 05:05:25 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: swinging the compass Don't forget the 8x10 colored glossies... How blessed we are on the West Coast!! We're either going north or south, with the Sierra's or the Coast Range, in which case we can see either I-5 or 101, or we're going to or from the Pacific Ocean....pretty hard to get lost! As far as compass cards go...I found it a very easy form to fill out! Besides, once you get up to 2,000', you can see where you're going to land!! (Well...just about...) Gary Boothe NX308MB -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of taildrags Sent: Monday, March 03, 2014 3:28 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: swinging the compass --> John K.- Well, yes- "close" is close enough, but for two things. (1) those pesky FARs (or CARS or whatever they're called nowadays) call for no more than 10 degrees off on any of the cardinal headings, or you have to take more drastic action, and (2) back to what I said before... if you do it right the first time, you only have to do it once. I doubt that I'll ever get ramp checked, but you never know. And I doubt that any inspector would ever write me up for my compass being out by more than 10 degrees, but you never know. Some inspector could catch me when he's having a bad day and just be itching to hang somebody on a technicality, then it's "Alice's Restaurant" all over again and I'll be down there sitting on the Group W bench with all these other guys who failed to fill out their compass deviation cards or report major changes to their aircraft. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=419744#419744 ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 05:38:09 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: newsletter From: "GNflyer" haven't seen mine yet either- sent dues in last fall and wondered if I slipped rough the cracks. Raymond- Skellytown Tx Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=419746#419746 ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 06:23:17 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: my Uncle Tony talks about how to swing a compass...and then some. You have an "Uncle Tony" who writes articles about building airplanes?...Why didn't someone tell me?! Gary Boothe NX308MB From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC] Sent: Monday, March 03, 2014 9:54 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: my Uncle Tony talks about how to swing a compass...and then some. I love my Uncle Tony. Whatta guy! ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 07:29:46 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: my Uncle Tony talks about how to swing a compass...and then From: "taildrags" Thank you, Mikee, but this time I already knew how to do what needed to be done. I assume that you posted this for the benefit of others who might not know the correct procedure. A certain [UNCLASSIFIED] friend of mine comes to mind ;o) And my thanks to Ben Charvet for pointing out to me that I can save the cost of buying a brass screwdriver by taking an old key and filing/grinding/shaping it into a screwdriver suitable for adjusting the compensator screws on the instrument. A true Pietenpoler. In preparation for conducting this precision operation, I bought a bottle of Templeton Rye, should my whiskey compass require topping up. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=419748#419748 ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 08:13:50 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: my Uncle Tony talks about how to swing a compass...and then From: Steven Dortch Oscar, I am sorry if you misinterpreted my intent, I was only trying to dumb down the content by using short and simple sentences with little words. OK try this: Spinny thing on plane Face big N on pretty flower on taxiway--- Compass say N-Good enough! I am sure you can figure it out from there. ;+} BTW Keys are too expensive, get a old brass coat hangar and scrape it on the sidewalk until it is flat like a small screwdriver. Blue Skies On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 9:29 PM, taildrags wrote: > > Thank you, Mikee, but this time I already knew how to do what needed to be > done. I assume that you posted this for the benefit of others who might > not know the correct procedure. A certain [UNCLASSIFIED] friend of mine > comes to mind ;o) > > And my thanks to Ben Charvet for pointing out to me that I can save the > cost of buying a brass screwdriver by taking an old key and > filing/grinding/shaping it into a screwdriver suitable for adjusting the > compensator screws on the instrument. A true Pietenpoler. > > In preparation for conducting this precision operation, I bought a bottle > of Templeton Rye, should my whiskey compass require topping up. > > -------- > Oscar Zuniga > Medford, OR > Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" > A75 power > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=419748#419748 > > ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 08:22:52 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: my Uncle Tony talks about how to swing a compass...and then From: "taildrags" Steve; I knew you would understand ;o) But hey, I even thought about using some aluminum to make a non-ferrous screwdriver. I almost hate to admit this, but some years ago a neighbor of mine lost his TV antenna in a high wind and he piled it up in a ball out at the curb for the recycler. I retrieved the better parts of it, which included some solid aluminum rods that formed some of the elements. I've found uses for bits and pieces over the years, but the small rod (about 1/8" diameter, solid) seems like it would work fine if I file the end into a screwdriver flat shape. You're right... I'll keep my old brass keys for other things, like fishing weights. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=419750#419750 ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 08:51:08 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: my Uncle Tony talks about how to swing a compass...and then From: "Braniff1966" why waste time swinging a compass? why not spend that time building a plane. old pietenpol didn't give a damn abou.t a compass. u cant get lost at 60mph in two hours...if u read all pietenpol accident reports there is not one caused by a compass, besides all of the above u can buy a nylon screwdriver at radio shack for two dollars. its the same type that u use when tuning i.f. slugs ... hyde Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=419751#419751 ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 09:47:41 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: my Uncle Tony talks about how to swing a compass...and then From: "taildrags" Jim: Absolutely true... swinging a compass never got or kept an airplane in the air! And I try not to spend aircraft building/wrenching time doing this kind of stuff... only my time in the evenings. Thank you for helping me keep my focus where it belongs. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=419757#419757 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.