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1. 03:35 AM - Re: Re: Scimitar propeller drawings (danhelsper@aol.com)
2. 06:17 AM - Re: 6061 tail hinges (shad bell)
3. 06:45 AM - Re: Re: Egad!! The Top Curmudgeon has abdicated! (Robert Rice)
4. 07:13 AM - Re: Scimitar propeller drawings (Bill Church)
5. 07:33 AM - Re: Egad!! The Top Curmudgeon has abdicated! (tools)
6. 08:26 AM - Re: Scimitar propeller drawings (taildrags)
7. 09:59 AM - Re: Re: Scimitar propeller drawings (danhelsper@aol.com)
8. 10:15 AM - Re: Scimitar propeller drawings (taildrags)
9. 10:36 AM - Re: Scimitar propeller drawings (Vasek)
10. 11:35 AM - Piet Wings for Sale + Other Parts (N219BR)
11. 11:39 AM - Re: Piet Wings for Sale + Other Parts (Robert Gow)
12. 11:49 AM - Re: Piet Wings for Sale + Other Parts (airlion2@gmail.com)
13. 11:52 AM - Re: Piet Wings for Sale + Other Parts (airlion2@gmail.com)
14. 03:12 PM - Plans (Gardiner Mason)
15. 03:23 PM - Re: Plans (Jack Phillips)
16. 05:16 PM - Willys jeep pietenpol engine maybe? (aviken)
17. 05:40 PM - Re: Willys jeep pietenpol engine maybe? (nightmare)
18. 05:47 PM - Re: Re: Willys jeep pietenpol engine maybe? (Marcus Zechini)
19. 05:49 PM - Re: Willys jeep pietenpol engine maybe? (glenschweizer@yahoo.com)
20. 06:34 PM - Re: Piet Wings for Sale + Other Parts (Tim White)
21. 06:43 PM - Re: Re: Egad!! The Top Curmudgeon has abdicated! (Dick N)
22. 07:13 PM - Re: Willys jeep pietenpol engine maybe? (Ken Bickers)
23. 07:34 PM - Re: Re: Scimitar propeller drawings (Clif Dawson)
24. 08:44 PM - Re: Willys jeep pietenpol engine maybe? (taildrags)
25. 09:05 PM - Re: Willys jeep pietenpol engine maybe? (taildrags)
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| Subject: | Re: Scimitar propeller drawings |
Oscar,
It certainly appears that way, doesn't it? Well, it must be because one of
three reasons.
1) Because the photo was taken from a few steps a'starboard.
2) Because I had possibly browsed (can't recall) the "papers", finding some
exclusive instructional information, i.e. (sashaying of engine mount).
3) During the prop-carving process, I accidentally gouged too deep on one s
ide, so that was my way of compensating so the sucker would fly straight.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: taildrags <taildrags@hotmail.com>
Sent: Tue, Mar 4, 2014 11:44 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Scimitar propeller drawings
Dan;
It seems that nobody else is talking about the elephant in the room, so I g
uess
I will. In that picture showing your tall, dark, and handsome scimitar pro
p why
does it look like your engine mount is sort of sashayed to the port side of
your
airplane? And I mean not just a little bit, but maybe 2-3"?
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| Subject: | Re: 6061 tail hinges |
Could not see a close up of the hinges, but radius the inside corners if no
t already, to prevent stress risers.=0A-=0AShad=0A=0A=0A_________________
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Pietenpol-List: 6061 tail hinges=0A=0A=0A=0AAre these the mock-up ones?=0AI
f not they have to-be fine filed smooth, all edges=0Arounded off, ALL scr
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>=0A>Here's the hinges he just finished using 6061 aluminum. He built a moc
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| Subject: | Re: Egad!! The Top Curmudgeon has abdicated! |
Tools,=0AAre you going to Hops and Props? I am just a lurker here but it wo
uld be nice to meet you, there is a great bunch of guys (curmudgeons) in th
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just because I could.- Never done that before.- I, too, support global
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I shall nominate you to chair the board.- Let the cards fall where they
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| Subject: | Re: Scimitar propeller drawings |
Oscar, you're slipping a bit.
Looks like you missed a few other details.
For instance, the horizontal stabilizer also appears to be off-center. As is the
"center section" of the wing, and even the landing gear legs.
It's almost as though the photo wasn't taken exactly on the centerline of the plane.
BC
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| Subject: | Re: Egad!! The Top Curmudgeon has abdicated! |
Yep. Been once before and there's a TON of great beers, in a GREAT venue!
A couple of options. Meet there, drink, come see the firehouse and drink some
more. Meet at the firehouse, drink and then go there and drink some more!
What ever, how ever is cool. Give me a shout, 423 580 1383. Looking forward to
meeting you!
Any other Pieters going?
Tools
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| Subject: | Re: Scimitar propeller drawings |
I figured it was just the camera angle, but every time I looked at it and mentally
drew a line through the center of the radiator down to the center of the lower
edge of the firewall, the engine looked cattywampus. Thanks for the clarification.
Dan, if you don't mind, refresh my memory on how your scimitar performs relative
to similarly-powered Piets-?
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| Subject: | Re: Scimitar propeller drawings |
Well, on the way over to Brodhead from Poplar Grove last year, with Jack Ph
ilips and Gene Rambo, they clocked my airspeed (mine was inop) at 76 mph. N
ot bad for a model A. And the year before, on the same leg with the former
T.C. Larry Williams, I had to do S turns periodically so I could keep him i
n sight till we got there. I am attributing it all to the prop.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: taildrags <taildrags@hotmail.com>
Sent: Wed, Mar 5, 2014 10:27 am
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Scimitar propeller drawings
I figured it was just the camera angle, but every time I looked at it and
mentally drew a line through the center of the radiator down to the center
of
the lower edge of the firewall, the engine looked cattywampus. Thanks for
the
clarification.
Dan, if you don't mind, refresh my memory on how your scimitar performs rel
ative
to similarly-powered Piets-?
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| Subject: | Re: Scimitar propeller drawings |
Dan; thanks for the pirep. It sounds like Vasek couldn't do much better than to
use yours as a template! It does have a more aggressive curve to it than most,
and is certainly a conversation starter.
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| Subject: | Re: Scimitar propeller drawings |
Dan, I received the email from you today. Thank you very much.
I replied you via email.
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My production of WW1 propellers, trophies and constructions:
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| Subject: | Piet Wings for Sale + Other Parts |
Hi All,
I acquired a Piet that's taking up valuable space right now. I'm looking at parting
it out. I have an A-65 mount/cowl, 3 piece wings, cub gear, fittings, and
1.5 Corvair cores, plus lots of assorted odds and ends.
The back end was sticking out of an open hangar here in Washington State, so you
can imagine what the vert/and aft end fuse looks like.
Let me know what you need, and I'll send pictures. I'm looking at trying to get
a Cavalier SA102.5 in the air so, I'd be interested any trades to help me toward
that end. Always willing to help another piet get in the air! I'll be driving
to San Diego in April if anybody along the way needs something.
Thanks,
Brian Durham
lake Stevens, WA
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Brian Durham
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| Subject: | Piet Wings for Sale + Other Parts |
I need 3 piece wings and all struts, elevator horns. Have fuselage and
gear. Am mounting a Ford so the engine mount is no use to me. Can you
send me photos?
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of N219BR
Sent: March 5, 2014 2:35 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet Wings for Sale + Other Parts
Hi All,
I acquired a Piet that's taking up valuable space right now. I'm looking
at parting it out. I have an A-65 mount/cowl, 3 piece wings, cub gear,
fittings, and 1.5 Corvair cores, plus lots of assorted odds and ends.
The back end was sticking out of an open hangar here in Washington State,
so you can imagine what the vert/and aft end fuse looks like.
Let me know what you need, and I'll send pictures. I'm looking at trying
to get a Cavalier SA102.5 in the air so, I'd be interested any trades to
help me toward that end. Always willing to help another piet get in the
air! I'll be driving to San Diego in April if anybody along the way needs
something.
Thanks,
Brian Durham
lake Stevens, WA
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Brian Durham
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| Subject: | Re: Piet Wings for Sale + Other Parts |
Brian, I am looking for continental eyebrows with mounting brackets for a c85,
thanks, Gardiner
Sent from my iPadws
> On Mar 5, 2014, at 2:34 PM, "N219BR" <briankdurham@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Hi All,
>
> I acquired a Piet that's taking up valuable space right now. I'm looking at parting
it out. I have an A-65 mount/cowl, 3 piece wings, cub gear, fittings, and
1.5 Corvair cores, plus lots of assorted odds and ends.
>
> The back end was sticking out of an open hangar here in Washington State, so
you can imagine what the vert/and aft end fuse looks like.
>
> Let me know what you need, and I'll send pictures. I'm looking at trying to get
a Cavalier SA102.5 in the air so, I'd be interested any trades to help me toward
that end. Always willing to help another piet get in the air! I'll be driving
to San Diego in April if anybody along the way needs something.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Brian Durham
> lake Stevens, WA
>
> --------
> Brian Durham
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Re: Piet Wings for Sale + Other Parts |
Brian, I am looking for eyebrows for a continental engine. Gardiner
Sent from my iPad
> On Mar 5, 2014, at 2:34 PM, "N219BR" <briankdurham@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Hi All,
>
> I acquired a Piet that's taking up valuable space right now. I'm looking at parting
it out. I have an A-65 mount/cowl, 3 piece wings, cub gear, fittings, and
1.5 Corvair cores, plus lots of assorted odds and ends.
>
> The back end was sticking out of an open hangar here in Washington State, so
you can imagine what the vert/and aft end fuse looks like.
>
> Let me know what you need, and I'll send pictures. I'm looking at trying to get
a Cavalier SA102.5 in the air so, I'd be interested any trades to help me toward
that end. Always willing to help another piet get in the air! I'll be driving
to San Diego in April if anybody along the way needs something.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Brian Durham
> lake Stevens, WA
>
> --------
> Brian Durham
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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I just ordered the eyebrow plans from the cub club and I am not a member. I just
told them I am working on a pietenpol and they said OK. Gardiner
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Well, guess who is now running the Cub Club? Our own illustrious John
Hofmann! John has a J-3 Cub in addition to his Pietenpol.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gardiner
Mason
Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2014 6:09 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Plans
I just ordered the eyebrow plans from the cub club and I am not a member. I
just told them I am working on a pietenpol and they said OK. Gardiner
Sent from my iPadplans
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| Subject: | Willys jeep pietenpol engine maybe? |
A few months ago I voiced my idea to try a jeep 134 flathead motor for a power
source for my pietenpol project. I know it has been hashed over before and I
got a few thumbs up and a few thumbs down. I decided to keep my mouth shut until
I had a little more info. So I overhauled an engine and built a prop hub,
and today it got it's first prop start. I had started it earlier with the flywheel
on using the starter because it was too tight to prop. After about ten
minutes run in time, I re-installed the prop and finally got it running...
It is swinging an old junk wood prop that was on a cub or champ and it seemed
to have no problem. Now I have only ran it about half throttle so far but I hope
to rig a tach on it and see what it will turn up static. More later.
I will try to link the youtube video , but if that doesn't work and you still want
to see it go to youtube type in Kenny crider and check out my channel
video two.
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| Subject: | Re: Willys jeep pietenpol engine maybe? |
Experimenting with an experimental aircraft. Best of luck. Would love to see a
jeep go airborne.
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Paul Donahue
Started 8-3-12
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Willys jeep pietenpol engine maybe? |
used to own 1950 and 1952 Willys pickups. Neither had "Hurricane 6". Both
had OHV ...the F head, right? just confusing "F" didnt stand for flat
head. Would love to see one power a Piet
On Mar 5, 2014 7:42 PM, "nightmare" <pauldonahuepilot@yahoo.com> wrote:
> pauldonahuepilot@yahoo.com>
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> Experimenting with an experimental aircraft. Best of luck. Would love to
> see a jeep go airborne.
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> Started 8-3-12
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| Subject: | Re: Willys jeep pietenpol engine maybe? |
VERY interesting please keep us informed. Glen
Sent from my iPhone
> On Mar 5, 2014, at 5:15 PM, "aviken" <aviken@windstream.net> wrote:
>
>
> A few months ago I voiced my idea to try a jeep 134 flathead motor for a power
source for my pietenpol project. I know it has been hashed over before and
I got a few thumbs up and a few thumbs down. I decided to keep my mouth shut
until I had a little more info. So I overhauled an engine and built a prop hub,
and today it got it's first prop start. I had started it earlier with the
flywheel on using the starter because it was too tight to prop. After about ten
minutes run in time, I re-installed the prop and finally got it running...
It is swinging an old junk wood prop that was on a cub or champ and it seemed
to have no problem. Now I have only ran it about half throttle so far but I
hope to rig a tach on it and see what it will turn up static. More later.
>
> I will try to link the youtube video , but if that doesn't work and you still
want to see it go to youtube type in Kenny crider and check out my channel
video two.
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=419847#419847
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| Subject: | Re: Piet Wings for Sale + Other Parts |
I need instruments. Are any available?
Tim White
> On Mar 5, 2014, at 2:34 PM, "N219BR" <briankdurham@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Hi All,
>
> I acquired a Piet that's taking up valuable space right now. I'm looking at parting
it out. I have an A-65 mount/cowl, 3 piece wings, cub gear, fittings, and
1.5 Corvair cores, plus lots of assorted odds and ends.
>
> The back end was sticking out of an open hangar here in Washington State, so
you can imagine what the vert/and aft end fuse looks like.
>
> Let me know what you need, and I'll send pictures. I'm looking at trying to get
a Cavalier SA102.5 in the air so, I'd be interested any trades to help me toward
that end. Always willing to help another piet get in the air! I'll be driving
to San Diego in April if anybody along the way needs something.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Brian Durham
> lake Stevens, WA
>
> --------
> Brian Durham
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=419837#419837
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| Subject: | Re: Egad!! The Top Curmudgeon has abdicated! |
If you go north to Bayfield Wi there is a County Hwy that runs over to
Madeline Island its only 3 mi. but kids living on the island have to go
across every day for school.
Dick N.
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From: "tools" <n0kkj@yahoo.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2014 12:10 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Egad!! The Top Curmudgeon has abdicated!
>
> Global warming? What global warming? I'm just not seeing it...
>
> I just drove ACROSS a lake! On a two lane highway.
>
> Tools, freezing in WI, thinking about enclosing the cockpit, adding a
> heater and fake sheepskin seating
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| Subject: | Re: Willys jeep pietenpol engine maybe? |
Watched the video on Youtube. Sounds great. Looks promising. As Glen
says, keep us informed as you move along. Ken
On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 6:49 PM, <glenschweizer@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> VERY interesting please keep us informed. Glen
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Mar 5, 2014, at 5:15 PM, "aviken" <aviken@windstream.net> wrote:
> >
> >
> > A few months ago I voiced my idea to try a jeep 134 flathead motor for a
> power source for my pietenpol project. I know it has been hashed over
> before and I got a few thumbs up and a few thumbs down. I decided to keep
> my mouth shut until I had a little more info. So I overhauled an engine
> and built a prop hub, and today it got it's first prop start. I had
> started it earlier with the flywheel on using the starter because it was
> too tight to prop. After about ten minutes run in time, I re-installed the
> prop and finally got it running... It is swinging an old junk wood prop
> that was on a cub or champ and it seemed to have no problem. Now I have
> only ran it about half throttle so far but I hope to rig a tach on it and
> see what it will turn up static. More later.
> >
> > I will try to link the youtube video , but if that doesn't work and you
> still want to see it go to youtube type in Kenny crider and check out my
> channel video two.
> >
> >
> >
> >
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| Subject: | Re: Scimitar propeller drawings |
Now who's the curmugine???? :-)
Clif
Old age and treachery will beat youth and enthusiasm
every time.
Someone
> Oscar, you're slipping a bit.
> Looks like you missed a few other details.
> It's almost as though the photo wasn't taken exactly on the centerline of
> the plane.
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> BC
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| Subject: | Re: Willys jeep pietenpol engine maybe? |
Ken;
Watched the video. That is very interesting! The engine seems to run very smoothly.
Sure does look tight though, and you just about wore out the starter getting
it to fire up ;o)
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| Subject: | Re: Willys jeep pietenpol engine maybe? |
By the way, I found a dyno simulation for the L134 engine that produced the power
and torque curves in the graph that I've attached. It may be possible to make
this work, just looking at the curves. At "normal" prop speeds of 2200-2300
RPM, the power looks to be about 36-37HP (solid red curve). Run it up to 2400-2500
and it climbs into the 40-42HP range, which is comparable to the Ford
"A" engine. Run it at 3000 RPM with a ground-adjustable 68" Warp Drive like
the Corvair uses and it might put out 50HP.
The dry weight of the engine is given in the Willys specs as 365 lbs. but people
on the Jeep CJ chat sites say it weighs about the same as a small-block Chevy.
The Ford A engine weighs about the same, I think... specs that I found show
weight of engine and transmission to be 475, so the engine alone should be about
the same weight as the Willys.
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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