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1. 01:50 AM - Re: Re: Willys jeep pietenpol engine maybe? (Clif Dawson)
2. 04:08 AM - Re: Which one? (danhelsper@aol.com)
3. 06:09 AM - advice on how to fix an error (pringljo)
4. 06:36 AM - Re: advice on how to fix an error (glenschweizer@yahoo.com)
5. 07:12 AM - Re: advice on how to fix an error (larharris2 Harris)
6. 07:16 AM - Re: advice on how to fix an error (Charles Burkholder)
7. 07:24 AM - Re: advice on how to fix an error (Boatright, Jeffrey)
8. 07:31 AM - Re: Which one? (Brian Kenney)
9. 08:00 AM - Re: Re: Willys jeep pietenpol engine maybe? (Brian Kenney)
10. 08:01 AM - whoa, I got to fly!! (Douwe Blumberg)
11. 08:03 AM - Re: advice on how to fix an error (pringljo)
12. 09:37 AM - Instrument mounting hint (Steven Dortch)
13. 09:47 AM - PLB App (Steven Dortch)
14. 10:19 AM - Re: Instrument mounting hint (Brian Kenney)
15. 10:30 AM - Re: Instrument mounting hint (Steven Dortch)
16. 10:32 AM - Honda CB350 wheel modification directions (Brian C-FAUK)
17. 10:36 AM - Re: Instrument mounting hint (Brian Kenney)
18. 10:47 AM - Re: Honda CB350 wheel modification directions (Steven Dortch)
19. 11:12 AM - Re: Honda CB350 wheel modification directions (larharris2 Harris)
20. 11:13 AM - Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 22 Msgs - 03/07/14 (Ellen)
21. 11:40 AM - Re: Honda CB350 wheel modification directions (Brian Kenney)
22. 11:41 AM - Re: Honda CB350 wheel modification directions (Brian Kenney)
23. 12:11 PM - Re: Instrument mounting hint (Greg Cardinal)
24. 01:04 PM - Re: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 22 Msgs - 03/07/14 (Ryan Mueller)
25. 01:43 PM - Re: Honda CB350 wheel modification directions (larharris2 Harris)
26. 01:53 PM - Re: Re: Willys jeep pietenpol engine maybe? (Kip and Beth Gardner)
27. 01:57 PM - Re: Honda CB350 wheel modification directions (Brian Kenney)
28. 02:04 PM - Old BPA newsletters (Brian C-FAUK)
29. 02:10 PM - Re: Honda CB350 wheel modification directions (Brian Kenney)
30. 02:34 PM - Re: Old BPA newsletters (Kip and Beth Gardner)
31. 02:37 PM - Re: Honda CB350 wheel modification directions (Bill Church)
32. 02:49 PM - Re: Old BPA newsletters (larharris2 Harris)
33. 02:52 PM - Re: Old BPA newsletters (larharris2 Harris)
34. 02:58 PM - Speaking of Doc... (kevinpurtee)
35. 02:59 PM - Re: Re: Honda CB350 wheel modification directions (larharris2 Harris)
36. 03:04 PM - Re: Old BPA newsletters (Kip and Beth Gardner)
37. 03:05 PM - Re: Old BPA newsletters (glenschweizer@yahoo.com)
38. 03:14 PM - Re: Old BPA newsletters (jarheadpilot82)
39. 03:17 PM - Re: Instrument mounting hint (Steven Dortch)
40. 03:23 PM - Re: Old BPA newsletters (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
41. 03:45 PM - Re: Old BPA newsletters (Brian Kenney)
42. 04:19 PM - Re: Old BPA newsletters (Darrel Jones)
43. 04:39 PM - Re: Old BPA newsletters (jarheadpilot82)
44. 05:13 PM - Re: Old BPA newsletters (Steven Dortch)
45. 07:28 PM - Re: Which one? (Gary Boothe)
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| Subject: | Re: Willys jeep pietenpol engine maybe? |
According to the Flying and Glider Piet article the Ford
A weighs 244lb.
According to this Wikipedia article the Willys weighs
in at 470 lb!
We just told a certain propmaker that he couldn't use
his VW engine because it's too small and revs too high.
It's 2500cc. The Willys is 2200cc.
The c-65 is 2830cc and the Corvair starts at 2700cc.
The Ford is a wopping 3400cc! and 128 ft-lb torque.
The c65 has 148lb torque. The little Willys? 114 ft-lb.
The Corvair appears to be 155 but at 2800 rpm.
So, perusing the above, in direct drive, will the Willys
be able to pull it off?
I think nostalgia is colouring perceptions here.
Nothing wrong with nostalgia but as Mark Twain said;
"It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble.
It's what you know for sure that just ain't so."
But;
"Life is trying things to see if they work." (Ray Bradbury)
OK, I'll stop now.
Bad Clif
A crank is a very elegant device. It's small,
it's strong, it's lightweight, energy efficient
and it makes revolutions.
E F Schumacher
>
> By the way, I found a dyno simulation for the L134 engine that produced
> the power and torque curves in the graph that I've attached. It may be
> possible to make this work, just looking at the curves. At "normal" prop
> speeds of 2200-2300 RPM, the power looks to be about 36-37HP (solid red
> curve). Run it up to 2400-2500 and it climbs into the 40-42HP range,
> which is comparable to the Ford "A" engine. Run it at 3000 RPM with a
> ground-adjustable 68" Warp Drive like the Corvair uses and it might put
> out 50HP.
>
> The dry weight of the engine is given in the Willys specs as 365 lbs. but
> people on the Jeep CJ chat sites say it weighs about the same as a
> small-block Chevy. The Ford A engine weighs about the same, I think...
> specs that I found show weight of engine and transmission to be 475, so
> the engine alone should be about the same weight as the Willys.
>
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> Oscar Zuniga
> Medford, OR
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> A75 power
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Glen,
Mr. Boothe is correct. This is a great way to start. Listen to all advise b
ut be careful to evaluate where it is coming from. While I was building I g
ave the advise from the fellows who had built and flown their airplanes the
heaviest weighting. Like anything else, there is no substitute for experie
nce.
Bi-plane version? No such thing. This is not a Pietenpol. I can just hear t
he report from the Board of Curmudgeons now .....
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: glenschweizer <glenschweizer@yahoo.com>
Sent: Fri, Mar 7, 2014 9:23 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Which one?
It's time to get serious and I could use some advice. How many different s
ets
of plans are there for piets? I have the set published originally in the f
lying
and glider manual. Are these different from the ones available from the
pietenpol family? What about those available from St. Croix? How about th
e
biplane version? Any input would be very appreciated Glen
Sent from my iPhone
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| Subject: | advice on how to fix an error |
I am laying out the sides of my fuselage and realized this morning that I made
an error. On the left side interior, I accidentally glued a small gusset to the
first joint behind the pilot's seat. Now I realize that I am supposed to put
a long gusset that extends all the way from the joint at the base of the rear
seat back to that joint.
What do you think I should do? Should I try to sand that whole gusset off and replace
it? Does that long gusset add structural strength there?
Seeking advice? Thanks
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Joe Pringle
Atlanta, GA
Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Re: advice on how to fix an error |
Hi Joe
What kind of glue did you use? If t-88 then you're in luck. Simply heat the gusset
with your covering iron. When it's too hot to touch , it will peel off like
a post it note.
When you are done, consider carefully what you just learned about epoxy.
Sent from my iPhone
> On Mar 8, 2014, at 6:08 AM, "pringljo" <joseph.pringle@gmail.com> wrote:
>
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> I am laying out the sides of my fuselage and realized this morning that I made
an error. On the left side interior, I accidentally glued a small gusset to
the first joint behind the pilot's seat. Now I realize that I am supposed to put
a long gusset that extends all the way from the joint at the base of the rear
seat back to that joint.
>
> What do you think I should do? Should I try to sand that whole gusset off and
replace it? Does that long gusset add structural strength there?
>
> Seeking advice? Thanks
>
> --------
> Joe Pringle
> Atlanta, GA
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> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=419974#419974
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| Subject: | advice on how to fix an error |
The gusset IS the strength of the joint. There is no strength in the end-gr
ain joint without the gusset. Repair it now and be worry-free later.
Lorenzo
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: advice on how to fix an error
> From: joseph.pringle@gmail.com
> Date: Sat=2C 8 Mar 2014 06:08:39 -0800
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>
m>
>
> I am laying out the sides of my fuselage and realized this morning that I
made an error. On the left side interior=2C I accidentally glued a small g
usset to the first joint behind the pilot's seat. Now I realize that I am s
upposed to put a long gusset that extends all the way from the joint at the
base of the rear seat back to that joint.
>
> What do you think I should do? Should I try to sand that whole gusset off
and replace it? Does that long gusset add structural strength there?
>
> Seeking advice? Thanks
>
> --------
> Joe Pringle
> Atlanta=2C GA
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> Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Re: advice on how to fix an error |
wow. I never knew you could do that with T-88. Good to know
Charles B
On 3/8/2014 9:35 AM, glenschweizer@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> Hi Joe
> What kind of glue did you use? If t-88 then you're in luck. Simply heat the
gusset with your covering iron. When it's too hot to touch , it will peel off
like a post it note.
> When you are done, consider carefully what you just learned about epoxy.
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Mar 8, 2014, at 6:08 AM, "pringljo" <joseph.pringle@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> I am laying out the sides of my fuselage and realized this morning that I made
an error. On the left side interior, I accidentally glued a small gusset to
the first joint behind the pilot's seat. Now I realize that I am supposed to
put a long gusset that extends all the way from the joint at the base of the rear
seat back to that joint.
>>
>> What do you think I should do? Should I try to sand that whole gusset off and
replace it? Does that long gusset add structural strength there?
>>
>> Seeking advice? Thanks
>>
>> --------
>> Joe Pringle
>> Atlanta, GA
>>
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>>
>> Read this topic online here:
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>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=419974#419974
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| Subject: | Re: advice on how to fix an error |
I would remove the small gusset and replace it with what is called out in
the plans. When we rebuilt our fuselage, we found that removing the old
gussets ranged from easy (which is bad because it suggests poor gluing in
the original build) to difficult. So I don't know how are this will be to
do cleanly. I, too, was unaware of the hit trick. My only concern there is
that the rest of the joint may be weakened, but since the gusset really is
what provides the strength, then this isn't that much of a concern.
I'm happy to drop by and look at what you have (I don't think I live that
far away). It's not like I'm an expert, but I have had to do similar
operations on my Piet.
--
Jeffrey H. Boatright, PhD, FARVO
Associate Professor of Ophthalmology
Emory University School of Medicine
On 3/8/14 10:18 AM, "Charles Burkholder" <born2fly@abcmailbox.net> wrote:
><born2fly@abcmailbox.net>
>
>wow. I never knew you could do that with T-88. Good to know
>Charles B
>On 3/8/2014 9:35 AM, glenschweizer@yahoo.com wrote:
>>
>> Hi Joe
>> What kind of glue did you use? If t-88 then you're in luck. Simply
>>heat the gusset with your covering iron. When it's too hot to touch , it
>>will peel off like a post it note.
>> When you are done, consider carefully what you just learned about epoxy.
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Mar 8, 2014, at 6:08 AM, "pringljo" <joseph.pringle@gmail.com>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>><joseph.pringle@gmail.com>
>>>
>>> I am laying out the sides of my fuselage and realized this morning
>>>that I made an error. On the left side interior, I accidentally glued a
>>>small gusset to the first joint behind the pilot's seat. Now I realize
>>>that I am supposed to put a long gusset that extends all the way from
>>>the joint at the base of the rear seat back to that joint.
>>>
>>> What do you think I should do? Should I try to sand that whole gusset
>>>off and replace it? Does that long gusset add structural strength there?
>>>
>>> Seeking advice? Thanks
>>>
>>> --------
>>> Joe Pringle
>>> Atlanta, GA
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>
>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=419974#419974
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This is a misleading answer and not correct.
For example there are four "Pietenpol" fuselages
There are two from the 1931 flying and glider magazine - a wood one and a s
teel one.
There is a 1933 improved version with steel gear
and there is a 1966 fuselage for the corvair engine.
there are at least three engine mounts.
The suggestion that something is not a Pietenpol would have upset Bernie Pi
etenpol and he was nothing like that protective.. He was an experimenter an
d tried all kinds of things. The Air Camper has used more engines than like
ly any other aircraft type.
So those protective of the Pietenpol name are really counter productive to
the idea of this blog and "experimental" aircraft in my opinion.
Brian
> From: gboothe5@comcast.net
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Which one?
> Date: Fri=2C 7 Mar 2014 19:44:49 -0800
>
>
>
> There is only one Pietenpol...get the plans from the Pietenpol family. Th
ey
> will have updates available not in the Flying and Glider Manual. Anything
> else is not a Pietenpol.
>
> Gary Boothe
> NX308MB
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> glenschweizer@yahoo.com
> Sent: Friday=2C March 07=2C 2014 7:23 PM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Which one?
>
>
> It's time to get serious and I could use some advice. How many different
> sets of plans are there for piets? I have the set published originally i
n
> the flying and glider manual. Are these different from the ones availabl
e
> from the pietenpol family? What about those available from St. Croix? H
ow
> about the biplane version? Any input would be very appreciated
> Glen
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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| Subject: | Re: Willys jeep pietenpol engine maybe? |
I know that 2200 cc will fly a Pietenpol because I just had a ride in one i
n New Zealand.
It needed 3000 rpm to get enough power and was an overhead valve engine. It
was from a Toyota Hilux.
As for weight=2C published weights are usually misleading.
As for your general points=2C they are valid questions and worthy of consid
eration.
Brian
> From: cdawson5854@shaw.ca
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Willys jeep pietenpol engine maybe?
> Date: Sat=2C 8 Mar 2014 01:50:16 -0800
>
>
> According to the Flying and Glider Piet article the Ford
> A weighs 244lb.
> According to this Wikipedia article the Willys weighs
> in at 470 lb!
> We just told a certain propmaker that he couldn't use
> his VW engine because it's too small and revs too high.
> It's 2500cc. The Willys is 2200cc.
> The c-65 is 2830cc and the Corvair starts at 2700cc.
> The Ford is a wopping 3400cc! and 128 ft-lb torque.
> The c65 has 148lb torque. The little Willys? 114 ft-lb.
> The Corvair appears to be 155 but at 2800 rpm.
>
> So=2C perusing the above=2C in direct drive=2C will the Willys
> be able to pull it off?
>
> I think nostalgia is colouring perceptions here.
> Nothing wrong with nostalgia but as Mark Twain said=3B
> "It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble.
> It's what you know for sure that just ain't so."
>
> But=3B
> "Life is trying things to see if they work." (Ray Bradbury)
>
> OK=2C I'll stop now.
>
> Bad Clif
>
> A crank is a very elegant device. It's small=2C
> it's strong=2C it's lightweight=2C energy efficient
> and it makes revolutions.
> E F Schumacher
>
>
> >
> > By the way=2C I found a dyno simulation for the L134 engine that produc
ed
> > the power and torque curves in the graph that I've attached. It may be
> > possible to make this work=2C just looking at the curves. At "normal"
prop
> > speeds of 2200-2300 RPM=2C the power looks to be about 36-37HP (solid r
ed
> > curve). Run it up to 2400-2500 and it climbs into the 40-42HP range=2C
> > which is comparable to the Ford "A" engine. Run it at 3000 RPM with a
> > ground-adjustable 68" Warp Drive like the Corvair uses and it might put
> > out 50HP.
> >
> > The dry weight of the engine is given in the Willys specs as 365 lbs. b
ut
> > people on the Jeep CJ chat sites say it weighs about the same as a
> > small-block Chevy. The Ford A engine weighs about the same=2C I think.
..
> > specs that I found show weight of engine and transmission to be 475=2C
so
> > the engine alone should be about the same weight as the Willys.
> >
> > --------
> > Oscar Zuniga
> > Medford=2C OR
> > Air Camper NX41CC "=3BScout"=3B
> > A75 power
> >
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| Subject: | whoa, I got to fly!! |
Guess what my Piet did today? It actually got to fly!!!
It's been two months since I squeezed in a flight between the weather. 58
degrees and sunny with a tiny crosswind. Had patrolled the front for thirty
minutes but the skies were clear of the Hun so returned to base and made two
pretty nice landings on the asphalt.
It was a good day.
Keep building!!
Douwe
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| Subject: | Re: advice on how to fix an error |
Wow. That gusset popped off in about 60 seconds. Thanks.
--------
Joe Pringle
Atlanta, GA
Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Instrument mounting hint |
Just saw this on the Bonanza list.
One setup for instruments is to angle the top of the artificial horizon to
ensure it is level in flight.
A side effect is that angling the instrument toward the pilot can help
eliminate glare on the glass face.
One instrument is available straight or with the top angled 8 degrees.
What do y'all think. Is glare a problem in your piets? or is this a
solution looking for a problem?
Blue Skies,
Steve D
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Here is a personal locator app for android GPS equipped phones and tablets.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.sygem.android.trackme
A cheap solution.
Blue Skies,
Steve D
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| Subject: | Instrument mounting hint |
My idea on instruments is Jim Hammonds approach on his Hatz. A single knife
switch on his dash labelled on and off.
Burt Rutan's rule on the Voyager was if you throw an accessory up and it co
mes down it is too heavy to go on the aircraft
Then there is the adage - If it ain't there if can't break
I know your question was about angles and not about an artificial horizon b
ut I can't help myself
Angling the dashboard might be an idea=2C not the instruments.
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Instrument mounting hint
From: steven.d.dortch@gmail.com
Just saw this on the Bonanza list.
One setup for instruments is to angle the top of the artificial horizon to
ensure it is level in flight.
A side effect is that angling the instrument toward the pilot can help elim
inate glare on the glass face.
=0A
One instrument is available straight or with the top angled 8 degrees.
What do y'all think. Is glare a problem in your piets? or is this a solutio
n looking for a problem?
Blue Skies=2C
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Steve D
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| Subject: | Re: Instrument mounting hint |
Correct Brian, I don't want to add any unneeded instrument to my plane.
Just to be clear, I was not advocating for an artificial horizon, But
wanting to discuss the reflective glare on the few instrument panels I do
have.
Some Bonanza owners have done the tilt by putting washers under their
instruments until it is just right. Some have tilted the instrument panel
(using washers)
Blue Skies,
Steve D
On Sat, Mar 8, 2014 at 12:19 PM, Brian Kenney <brian.kenney@live.ca> wrote:
> My idea on instruments is Jim Hammonds approach on his Hatz. A single
> knife switch on his dash labelled on and off.
>
> Burt Rutan's rule on the Voyager was if you throw an accessory up and it
> comes down it is too heavy to go on the aircraft
>
> Then there is the adage - If it ain't there if can't break
>
> I know your question was about angles and not about an artificial horizon
> but I can't help myself
>
> Angling the dashboard might be an idea, not the instruments.
>
> ------------------------------
> Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2014 11:36:38 -0600
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Instrument mounting hint
> From: steven.d.dortch@gmail.com
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>
>
> Just saw this on the Bonanza list.
>
> One setup for instruments is to angle the top of the artificial horizon to
> ensure it is level in flight.
>
> A side effect is that angling the instrument toward the pilot can help
> eliminate glare on the glass face.
>
> One instrument is available straight or with the top angled 8 degrees.
>
> What do y'all think. Is glare a problem in your piets? or is this a
> solution looking for a problem?
>
> Blue Skies,
>
> Steve D
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| Subject: | Honda CB350 wheel modification directions |
I hope this works it is my first attempt to post a file
As requested here is my notes on modifying the wheels used on my airplane
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Brian Kenney
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Mine are not angled and they are not a problem.
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Instrument mounting hint
From: steven.d.dortch@gmail.com
Correct Brian=2C I don't want to add any unneeded instrument to my plane.
Just to be clear=2C I was not advocating for an artificial horizon=2C But w
anting to discuss the reflective glare on the few instrument panels I do ha
ve.
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Some Bonanza owners have done the tilt by putting washers under their instr
uments until it is just right. Some have tilted the instrument panel (using
washers)
Blue Skies=2C
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Burt Rutan's rule on the Voyager was if you throw an accessory up and it co
mes down it is too heavy to go on the aircraft
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Then there is the adage - If it ain't there if can't break
I know your question was about angles and not about an artificial horizon b
ut I can't help myself
Angling the dashboard might be an idea=2C not the instruments.
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Subject: Pietenpol-List: Instrument mounting hint
From: steven.d.dortch@gmail.com
Just saw this on the Bonanza list.
One setup for instruments is to angle the top of the artificial horizon to
ensure it is level in flight.
A side effect is that angling the instrument toward the pilot can help elim
inate glare on the glass face.
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| Subject: | Re: Honda CB350 wheel modification directions |
Brian, it did load well. I could open it.
Is this for the Piper cub style gear?
Blue Skies,
Steve D
On Sat, Mar 8, 2014 at 12:32 PM, Brian C-FAUK <brian.kenney@live.ca> wrote:
> >
>
> I hope this works it is my first attempt to post a file
>
> As requested here is my notes on modifying the wheels used on my airplane
>
> --------
> Brian Kenney
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=419992#419992
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| Subject: | Honda CB350 wheel modification directions |
Thanks for this post. I am in the process of doing this. Your techniques wi
ll be valuable to me.
Lorenzo
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Honda CB350 wheel modification directions
> From: brian.kenney@live.ca
> Date: Sat=2C 8 Mar 2014 10:32:06 -0800
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>
a>
>
> I hope this works it is my first attempt to post a file
>
> As requested here is my notes on modifying the wheels used on my airplane
>
> --------
> Brian Kenney
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=419992#419992
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> Today's Message Index:
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>
> 1. 12:55 AM - Piet parts for sale (Timothy Willis)
> 2. 04:02 AM - Re: Hello again (danhelsper@aol.com)
> 3. 04:31 AM - Board of Crumudgeons- encouragement from my wife (danhelsper@aol.com)
> 4. 05:49 AM - Re: Hello again (Bill Church)
> 5. 06:07 AM - Re: Hello again (AircamperN11MS)
> 6. 06:08 AM - Re: Board of Crumudgeons- encouragement from my wife (AircamperN11MS)
> 7. 07:30 AM - smallest recommended tailwheel (nightmare)
> 8. 08:01 AM - Re: smallest recommended tailwheel (Brian Kenney)
> 9. 08:44 AM - Re: my Uncle Tony talks about how to swing a compass...and
then (taildrags)
> 10. 08:51 AM - Re: smallest recommended tailwheel (shad bell)
> 11. 09:01 AM - Re: Re: my Uncle Tony talks about how to swing a compass...and
then (Ken Bickers)
> 12. 09:26 AM - Re: smallest recommended tailwheel (Jack Phillips)
> 13. 10:07 AM - Re: smallest recommended tailwheel (nightmare)
> 14. 10:12 AM - Re: smallest recommended tailwheel (danhelsper@aol.com)
> 15. 12:11 PM - Re: smallest recommended tailwheel (nightmare)
> 16. 02:30 PM - Re: Corvair engine core (LNelson)
> 17. 05:00 PM - Fuselage Width (john francis)
> 18. 05:08 PM - Re: Fuselage Width (Gary Boothe)
> 19. 05:14 PM - Re: Fuselage Width (john francis)
> 20. 05:33 PM - Re: Re: Fuselage Width (Gary Boothe)
> 21. 07:23 PM - Which one? (glenschweizer@yahoo.com)
> 22. 07:45 PM - Re: Which one? (Gary Boothe)
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>
>
> ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 12:55:58 AM PST US
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet parts for sale
> From: Timothy Willis <timwillis01@gmail.com>
>
> Brian,
>
> I am interested in your cowl. Please give me your phone # in a direct
> reply and let's discuss. Do you have a nose bowl as well?
>
> Also, do you have diagonal cabanes (from top motor mount to wing attach
> points)?
>
> Tim in central TX
> =================
>
> Time: 11:35:13 AM PST US
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet Wings for Sale + Other Parts
> From: "N219BR" <briankdurham@gmail.com>
>
> Hi All,
>
> I acquired a Piet that's taking up valuable space right now. I'm looking at
> parting
> it out. I have an A-65 mount/cowl, 3 piece wings, cub gear, fittings, and
> 1.5 Corvair cores, plus lots of assorted odds and ends.
>
> ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 04:02:46 AM PST US
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Hello again
> From: danhelsper@aol.com
>
>
> Welcome back Doc! I was wondering what you and Dee were going to do going f
> orward. Glad to have you here.
>
> Dan Helsper
> Puryear, TN
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Doc Mosher <docshop@tds.net>
> Sent: Thu, Mar 6, 2014 3:41 pm
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Hello again
>
>
>
> In the past, as publisher of the BPA News, I thought it inappropriate
> to actively
> participate in Matt's Matronics Pietenpol discussion group. Now is
> the time for
> me to again become a participant.
>
> Doc Mosher
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 04:31:33 AM PST US
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Board of Crumudgeons- encouragement from my wife
> From: danhelsper@aol.com
>
>
> The other day, as were doing our usual routine of sipping morning coffee an
> d browsing the internet, I happened to mentioned to my wife that I was cont
> emplating applying for a position on the new Board. She asked what the qual
> ifications were in order to serve. During the course of this conversation,
> I explained that one of the duties would be to shame people. She pondered f
> or a moment... exclaiming...."you're good at that".....
>
> Dan Helsper
> Puryear, TN
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 05:49:07 AM PST US
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Hello again
> From: "Bill Church" <billspiet@sympatico.ca>
>
>
> Not sure why you felt it would have been inappropriate for you, as publisher
of
> the BPA News, to participate in discussions in this group. Nonetheless, welcome
> back, Doc.
> Let 'er rip.
>
> Bill C.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=419911#419911
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>
> ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 06:07:09 AM PST US
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Hello again
> From: "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld@lacity.org>
>
>
> Welcome back Doc, it will be good to read some of your words again.
>
> Cheers,
>
> --------
> Scott Liefeld
> Flying N11MS since March 1972
> Steel Tube
> C-85-12
> Wire Wheels
> Brodhead in 1996
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=419912#419912
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 06:08:27 AM PST US
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Board of Crumudgeons- encouragement from my wife
> From: "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld@lacity.org>
>
>
> Well Dan,
>
> That sounded like an acceptance speech to me. Have fun with it.
>
> --------
> Scott Liefeld
> Flying N11MS since March 1972
> Steel Tube
> C-85-12
> Wire Wheels
> Brodhead in 1996
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=419913#419913
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 07:30:11 AM PST US
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: smallest recommended tailwheel
> From: "nightmare" <pauldonahuepilot@yahoo.com>
>
>
> about to buy a tailwheel and was going to go with the AS&S homebuilders 4 inch
> tailwheel for $23.85, but first wanted to see if anyone has successfully gone
> with an even smaller one . trying to reduce the weight at the tail. don't see
> a smaller one at AS&S, so maybe it would have to be a non aircraft wheel. any
> thoughts.
>
> --------
> Paul Donahue
> Started 8-3-12
> do not archive
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=419917#419917
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 08:01:49 AM PST US
> From: Brian Kenney <brian.kenney@live.ca>
> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: smallest recommended tailwheel
>
> I tried for a few years with grocery cart wheels but they didn't work. The
> most critical part of the wheel is the bearing.
> I tried an unorthodox approach of using two snowmobile boogie wheels side b
> y side. These have high speed sealed bearings with a rubber outside and a p
> lastic wheel. They have worn a bit but have not given me any trouble for ov
> er 20 years. That is on pavement for ten years and turf for 10 years.
>
> I don't know exactly what they are for =2C I think for a skidoo=2C but have
> n't seen them recently in any catalogue. One day I will need to replace the
> m.
>
>
>> Subject: Pietenpol-List: smallest recommended tailwheel
>> From: pauldonahuepilot@yahoo.com
>> Date: Fri=2C 7 Mar 2014 07:29:50 -0800
>> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> .com>
>>
>> about to buy a tailwheel and was going to go with the AS&S homebuilders
> 4 inch tailwheel for $23.85=2C but first wanted to see if anyone has succes
> sfully gone with an even smaller one . trying to reduce the weight at the
> tail. don't see a smaller one at AS&S=2C so maybe it would have to be a no
> n aircraft wheel. any thoughts.
>>
>> --------
>> Paul Donahue
>> Started 8-3-12
>> do not archive
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=419917#419917
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> Time: 08:44:32 AM PST US
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: my Uncle Tony talks about how to swing a compass...and
> then
> From: "taildrags" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
>
>
> I'm probably going to get another lashing by Mr. Hyde for keeping the compass
thread
> alive, but I thought I would mention that the regs consider "topping off"
> or refilling the compass in a certified aircraft to be a repair that can legally
> only be done by a Certified Repair Station, and only the manufacturer's recommended
> and STC'd compass fluid can be used.
>
> In experimentals, anything goes but I have read that the use of kerosene or Jet
> A can cause the compass markings to fade to yellow over time.
>
> --------
> Oscar Zuniga
> Medford, OR
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> A75 power
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=419920#419920
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 08:51:22 AM PST US
> From: shad bell <aviatorbell@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: smallest recommended tailwheel
>
> We had a smaller one on the piet a few times, might have been from wicks, 3
> inch I think.- They did not last too long on pavement, a 2-3 flying seas
> ons.- They are also prone to giving a rough ride on the rough grass strip
> s, as they fall into every litle rut, tractor tire track etc (hamers the he
> ck out of the tailpost, tailwhell arm.).- The 4 inch we have now gives a
> little better ride.=0A-=0AShad=0A=0A=0A________________________________
> =0AFrom: Brian Kenney <brian.kenney@live.ca>=0ATo: "pietenpol-list@matronic
> s.com" <pietenpol-list@matronics.com> =0ASent: Friday, March 7, 2014 11:01
> AM=0ASubject: RE: Pietenpol-List: smallest recommended tailwheel=0A=0A=0A
> =0AI tried for a few years with grocery cart wheels but they didn't work. T
> he most critical part of the wheel is the bearing. =0AI tried an unorthodox
> approach of using two snowmobile boogie wheels side by side. These have hi
> gh speed sealed bearings with a rubber outside and a plastic wheel. They ha
> ve worn a bit but have not given me any trouble for over-20 years. That i
> s on pavement for ten years and turf for-10 years.=0A-=0AI don't know e
> xactly what they are for , I think-for a skidoo, but haven't seen them re
> cently in any catalogue. One day I will need to replace them.=0A=0A-=0A
> =0A> Subject: Pietenpol-List: smallest recommended tailwheel=0A> From: paul
> donahuepilot@yahoo.com=0A> Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2014 07:29:50 -0800=0A> To: pie
> ightmare" <pauldonahuepilot@yahoo.com>=0A> =0A> about to buy a tailwheel an
> d was going to go with the AS&S homebuilders 4 inch tailwheel for $23.85, b
> ut first wanted to see if anyone has successfully gone with an even smaller
> one . trying to reduce the weight at the tail. don't see a smaller one at
> AS&S, so maybe it would have to be a non aircraft wheel. any thoughts.=0A>
> =0A> --------=0A> Paul Donahue=0A> Started 8-3-12=0A> do not archive=0A>
> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> Read this topic online here:=0A> =0A> http://forums.mat
> ronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=419917#419917=0A> =0A> =0A>==0A> =0A> =0A>
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>
> Time: 09:01:14 AM PST US
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: my Uncle Tony talks about how to swing a compass...and
> then
> From: Ken Bickers <bickers.ken@gmail.com>
>
> "regs consider "topping off" or refilling the compass in a certified
> aircraft to be a repair that can legally only be done by a Certified Repair
> Station"
>
> Oscar, this helps me understand why for the past couple decades the
> mechanics that have worked on my certified plane have not wanted to bother
> with the compass when it got low on fluid, instead telling me it was
> something I could easily do by buying a kit from ASC. Kept their hands
> clean. Kept the compass topped up. Now that I think about it, I think it
> is getting low once again. On my Piet, I'm using a sealed marine compass,
> but don't tell anyone. Ken
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 9:44 AM, taildrags <taildrags@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> I'm probably going to get another lashing by Mr. Hyde for keeping the
>> compass thread alive, but I thought I would mention that the regs consider
>> "topping off" or refilling the compass in a certified aircraft to be a
>> repair that can legally only be done by a Certified Repair Station, and
>> only the manufacturer's recommended and STC'd compass fluid can be used.
>>
>> In experimentals, anything goes but I have read that the use of kerosene
>> or Jet A can cause the compass markings to fade to yellow over time.
>>
>> --------
>> Oscar Zuniga
>> Medford, OR
>> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
>> A75 power
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=419920#419920
>
> ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 09:26:50 AM PST US
> From: "Jack Phillips" <jack@bedfordlandings.com>
> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: smallest recommended tailwheel
>
>
> Paul,
>
> I've got the Homebuilder's special 4" tailwheel on mine. It works fine, but
> I wouldn't want it any smaller. Since most tailwheels are 6" or 8" a 4"
> tailwheel looks tiny, and I wouldn't want to land on grass with anything
> smaller.
>
> Jack Phillips
> NX899JP
> Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
> With 4" of fresh new snow on the ground - sure wish I'd built skis from Don
> Emch's plans last summer.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of nightmare
> Sent: Friday, March 07, 2014 10:30 AM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: smallest recommended tailwheel
>
> <pauldonahuepilot@yahoo.com>
>
> about to buy a tailwheel and was going to go with the AS&S homebuilders 4
> inch tailwheel for $23.85, but first wanted to see if anyone has
> successfully gone with an even smaller one . trying to reduce the weight at
> the tail. don't see a smaller one at AS&S, so maybe it would have to be a
> non aircraft wheel. any thoughts.
>
> --------
> Paul Donahue
> Started 8-3-12
> do not archive
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=419917#419917
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 10:07:58 AM PST US
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: smallest recommended tailwheel
> From: "nightmare" <pauldonahuepilot@yahoo.com>
>
>
> looks like i'll be going with the 4 inch wheel. thanks guys.
>
> --------
> Paul Donahue
> Started 8-3-12
> do not archive
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=419928#419928
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 10:12:42 AM PST US
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: smallest recommended tailwheel
> From: danhelsper@aol.com
>
>
> Paul,
>
> I am using a hard rubber tailwheel that I got from Wicks. Almost no detecta
> ble wear so far. The one bought was only 3", but this is the same style. T
> his one here is 3-12". http://aircraftproducts.wicksaircraft.com/item/all-
> categories/3-1-2-non-pneumatic-tailwheel/twnp-3-5?plpver=10&categid=100
> &prodid=3285&origin=keyword
>
> It has worked wonderfully so far.
>
> Dan Helsper
> Puryear, TN
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nightmare <pauldonahuepilot@yahoo.com>
> Sent: Fri, Mar 7, 2014 9:30 am
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: smallest recommended tailwheel
>
>
> om>
>
> about to buy a tailwheel and was going to go with the AS&S homebuilders 4
> inch
> tailwheel for $23.85, but first wanted to see if anyone has successfully go
> ne
> with an even smaller one . trying to reduce the weight at the tail. don't
> see
> a smaller one at AS&S, so maybe it would have to be a non aircraft wheel. a
> ny
> thoughts.
>
> --------
> Paul Donahue
> Started 8-3-12
> do not archive
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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>
> Time: 12:11:29 PM PST US
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: smallest recommended tailwheel
> From: "nightmare" <pauldonahuepilot@yahoo.com>
>
>
> I'll check it out Dan. But only if it's on the list of "formerly used by Bernie"
> parts. Otherwise I can't say I built it to plans. Lol
>
> --------
> Paul Donahue
> Started 8-3-12
> do not archive
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>
> Read this topic online here:
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>
> Time: 02:30:42 PM PST US
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair engine core
> From: "LNelson" <lk.nelson@juno.com>
>
>
> There are a few corvair specific yards here in az. Also craigslist in Phoenix
> az has a few around 150.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
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>
>
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>
>
> Time: 05:00:25 PM PST US
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage Width
> From: "john francis" <Mrkringles@msn.com>
>
>
> I am about to join the two sides of my fuselage together. I found the width
dimensions
> in the orginal plans but not for the extended fuselage (supplementary
> plans). How did you all determine what they are?
>
> John
>
> --------
> John Francis
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=419958#419958
>
>
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>
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>
>
> Time: 05:08:22 PM PST US
> From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5@comcast.net>
> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage Width
>
>
> He only changed the length, and the location of the uprights and diag's.
> Width stayed the same.
>
> Gary Boothe
> NX308MB
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of john francis
> Sent: Friday, March 07, 2014 5:00 PM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage Width
>
> --> <Mrkringles@msn.com>
>
> I am about to join the two sides of my fuselage together. I found the width
> dimensions in the orginal plans but not for the extended fuselage
> (supplementary plans). How did you all determine what they are?
>
> John
>
> --------
> John Francis
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=419958#419958
>
>
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>
>
> Time: 05:14:00 PM PST US
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fuselage Width
> From: "john francis" <Mrkringles@msn.com>
>
>
> Thanks Gary, Ill look at that in the morning. Im in for the night.
>
> John
>
> --------
> John Francis
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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>
> Time: 05:33:27 PM PST US
> From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5@comcast.net>
> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fuselage Width
>
>
> ...but you are right, no width dimension is given on the supplemental...
>
> Gary Boothe
> NX308MB
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of john francis
> Sent: Friday, March 07, 2014 5:14 PM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fuselage Width
>
> --> <Mrkringles@msn.com>
>
> Thanks Gary, Ill look at that in the morning. Im in for the night.
>
> John
>
> --------
> John Francis
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
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> ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 07:23:15 PM PST US
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Which one?
> From: glenschweizer@yahoo.com
>
>
> It's time to get serious and I could use some advice. How many different sets
> of plans are there for piets? I have the set published originally in the flying
> and glider manual. Are these different from the ones available from the pietenpol
> family? What about those available from St. Croix? How about the biplane
> version? Any input would be very appreciated Glen
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 07:45:10 PM PST US
> From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5@comcast.net>
> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Which one?
>
>
> There is only one Pietenpol...get the plans from the Pietenpol family. They
> will have updates available not in the Flying and Glider Manual. Anything
> else is not a Pietenpol.
>
> Gary Boothe
> NX308MB
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> glenschweizer@yahoo.com
> Sent: Friday, March 07, 2014 7:23 PM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Which one?
>
>
> It's time to get serious and I could use some advice. How many different
> sets of plans are there for piets? I have the set published originally in
> the flying and glider manual. Are these different from the ones available
> from the pietenpol family? What about those available from St. Croix? How
> about the biplane version? Any input would be very appreciated
> Glen
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
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| Subject: | Re: Honda CB350 wheel modification directions |
The wheels I have are on the wood straight axle gear. they are now 27 years y
oung.
.
Sent from my iPad
> On Mar 8, 2014, at 1:49 PM, "Steven Dortch" <steven.d.dortch@gmail.com> wr
ote:
>
> Brian, it did load well. I could open it.
>
> Is this for the Piper cub style gear?
>
> Blue Skies,
> Steve D
>
>
>> On Sat, Mar 8, 2014 at 12:32 PM, Brian C-FAUK <brian.kenney@live.ca> wrot
e:
a>
>>
>> I hope this works it is my first attempt to post a file
>>
>> As requested here is my notes on modifying the wheels used on my airplane
>>
>> --------
>> Brian Kenney
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=419992#419992
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Attachments:
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>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/wheel_mod_801.docx
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| Subject: | Re: Honda CB350 wheel modification directions |
I will be doing it again for I friend. I will take some pictures as I go.
Sent from my iPad
> On Mar 8, 2014, at 2:14 PM, "larharris2 Harris" <larharris2@msn.com> wrote
:
>
> Thanks for this post. I am in the process of doing this. Your techniques w
ill be valuable to me.
>
> Lorenzo
>
>
>
> > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Honda CB350 wheel modification directions
> > From: brian.kenney@live.ca
> > Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2014 10:32:06 -0800
> > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> >
ca>
> >
> > I hope this works it is my first attempt to post a file
> >
> > As requested here is my notes on modifying the wheels used on my airplan
e
> >
> > --------
> > Brian Kenney
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=419992#419992
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Attachments:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com//files/wheel_mod_801.docx= Archive Search &
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| Subject: | Re: Instrument mounting hint |
Gauges are not angled on NX18235 and glare is no problem. Other than glanci
ng at the oil temp and pressure once in awhile I rarely look at them.
Greg C.
----- Original Message -----
From: Steven Dortch
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2014 11:36 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Instrument mounting hint
Just saw this on the Bonanza list.
One setup for instruments is to angle the top of the artificial horizon t
o ensure it is level in flight.
A side effect is that angling the instrument toward the pilot can help el
iminate glare on the glass face.
One instrument is available straight or with the top angled 8 degrees.
What do y'all think. Is glare a problem in your piets? or is this a solut
ion looking for a problem?
Blue Skies,
Steve D
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You subscribed yourself, you need to remove yourself:
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On Sat, Mar 8, 2014 at 1:13 PM, Ellen <dneforbes@gmail.com> wrote:
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| Subject: | Honda CB350 wheel modification directions |
Your writeup says that you got the idea from a photo on WestCoastPiet. Any
idea of the name of the listing=2C since photos are categorized by name of
the owner/builder? I think I may need all the photo reference I can get. Th
anks.
Lorenzo
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Honda CB350 wheel modification directions
From: brian.kenney@live.ca
I will be doing it again for I friend. I will take some pictures as I go.
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| Subject: | Re: Willys jeep pietenpol engine maybe? |
I think that somebody already suggested that the published wt. for the
Wileys included the transmission, which, of course, would not be
included.
On Mar 8, 2014, at 11:00 AM, Brian Kenney wrote:
> I know that 2200 cc will fly a Pietenpol because I just had a ride
> in one in New Zealand.
> It needed 3000 rpm to get enough power and was an overhead valve
> engine. It was from a Toyota Hilux.
>
> As for weight, published weights are usually misleading.
>
> As for your general points, they are valid questions and worthy of
> consideration.
>
> Brian
>
> > From: cdawson5854@shaw.ca
> > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Willys jeep pietenpol engine maybe?
> > Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2014 01:50:16 -0800
> >
> >
> >
> > According to the Flying and Glider Piet article the Ford
> > A weighs 244lb.
> > According to this Wikipedia article the Willys weighs
> > in at 470 lb!
> > We just told a certain propmaker that he couldn't use
> > his VW engine because it's too small and revs too high.
> > It's 2500cc. The Willys is 2200cc.
> > The c-65 is 2830cc and the Corvair starts at 2700cc.
> > The Ford is a wopping 3400cc! and 128 ft-lb torque.
> > The c65 has 148lb torque. The little Willys? 114 ft-lb.
> > The Corvair appears to be 155 but at 2800 rpm.
> >
> > So, perusing the above, in direct drive, will the Willys
> > be able to pull it off?
> >
> > I think nostalgia is colouring perceptions here.
> > Nothing wrong with nostalgia but as Mark Twain said;
> > "It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble.
> > It's what you know for sure that just ain't so."
> >
> > But;
> > "Life is trying things to see if they work." (Ray Bradbury)
> >
> > OK, I'll stop now.
> >
> > Bad Clif
> >
> > A crank is a very elegant device. It's small,
> > it's strong, it's lightweight, energy efficient
> > and it makes revolutions.
> > E F Schumacher
> >
> >
> > >
> > > By the way, I found a dyno simulation for the L134 engine that
> produced
> > > the power and torque curves in the graph that I've attached. It
> may be
> > > possible to make this work, just looking at the curves. At
> "normal" prop
> > > speeds of 2200-2300 RPM, the power looks to be about 36-37HP
> (solid red
> > > curve). Run it up to 2400-2500 and it climbs into the 40-42HP
> range,
> > > which is comparable to the Ford "A" engine. Run it at 3000 RPM
> with a
> > > ground-adjustable 68" Warp Drive like the Corvair uses and it
> might put
> > > out 50HP.
> > >
> > > The dry weight of the engine is given in the Willys specs as 365
> lbs. but
> > > people on the Jeep CJ chat sites say it weighs about the same as a
> > > small-block Chevy. The Ford A engine weighs about the same, I
> think...
> > > specs that I found show weight of engine and transmission to be
> 475, so
> > > the engine alone should be about the same weight as the Willys.
> > >
> > > --------
> > > Oscar Zuniga
> > > Medford, OR
> > > Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> > > A75 power
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Read this topic online here:
> > >
> > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=419861#419861
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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| Subject: | Honda CB350 wheel modification directions |
No not a photo on West Coast Piet but a Piet from the west coast. It was i
n a magazine and the owner was from the S.F. area and the registration was
something like N113 but that is all from memory. I probably still have the
article.
From: larharris2@msn.com
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Honda CB350 wheel modification directions
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Your writeup says that you got the idea from a photo on WestCoastPiet. Any
idea of the name of the listing=2C since photos are categorized by name of
the owner/builder? I think I may need all the photo reference I can get. Th
anks.
Lorenzo
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Honda CB350 wheel modification directions
From: brian.kenney@live.ca
I will be doing it again for I friend. I will take some pictures as I go.
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| Subject: | Old BPA newsletters |
This is an idea for discussion. I have a large binder of Buckeye Pietenpol Newsletters.
I would like to see them scanned and put somewhere on the net for public
access. There is a lot of timeless information in them. I would be willing
to do some or all of the work to do this but I have no idea the best way to
do this and what the reaction would be if I did it. Your comments are welcome.
Perhaps this has already been discussed.
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Brian Kenney
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| Subject: | Honda CB350 wheel modification directions |
I found a picture of the airplane - It is N3133
From: brian.kenney@live.ca
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Honda CB350 wheel modification directions
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No not a photo on West Coast Piet but a Piet from the west coast. It was i
n a magazine and the owner was from the S.F. area and the registration was
something like N113 but that is all from memory. I probably still have the
article.
From: larharris2@msn.com
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Honda CB350 wheel modification directions
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Your writeup says that you got the idea from a photo on WestCoastPiet. Any
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the owner/builder? I think I may need all the photo reference I can get. Th
anks.
Lorenzo
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Honda CB350 wheel modification directions
From: brian.kenney@live.ca
I will be doing it again for I friend. I will take some pictures as I go.
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| Subject: | Re: Old BPA newsletters |
This has been hashed over many times in the past. Grant McClaren, a
past publisher of the BPA News, won't allow this type of copying.
It's too bad, but he feels that he was done wrong by the Piet
community some years ago & asserts his copyright rights.
Kip Gardner
On Mar 8, 2014, at 5:04 PM, Brian C-FAUK wrote:
> >
>
> This is an idea for discussion. I have a large binder of Buckeye
> Pietenpol Newsletters. I would like to see them scanned and put
> somewhere on the net for public access. There is a lot of timeless
> information in them. I would be willing to do some or all of the
> work to do this but I have no idea the best way to do this and what
> the reaction would be if I did it. Your comments are welcome.
>
> Perhaps this has already been discussed.
>
> --------
> Brian Kenney
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=420012#420012
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Honda CB350 wheel modification directions |
For anyone interested, attached are a few photos of what the finished product looks
like.
Bill C.
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| Subject: | Old BPA newsletters |
I am all in favor of this. I have an incomplete set I would be willing to c
ontribute to the effort.
Lorenzo
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Old BPA newsletters
> From: brian.kenney@live.ca
> Date: Sat=2C 8 Mar 2014 14:04:34 -0800
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
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> This is an idea for discussion. I have a large binder of Buckeye Pietenpo
l Newsletters. I would like to see them scanned and put somewhere on the ne
t for public access. There is a lot of timeless information in them. I wou
ld be willing to do some or all of the work to do this but I have no idea t
he best way to do this and what the reaction would be if I did it. Your com
ments are welcome.
>
> Perhaps this has already been discussed.
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> Brian Kenney
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> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=420012#420012
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| Subject: | Old BPA newsletters |
Are the rights owned by him personally? Or by the BPA?
Lorenzo
> From: kipandbeth@earthlink.net
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Old BPA newsletters
> Date: Sat=2C 8 Mar 2014 17:34:35 -0500
>
rthlink.net>
>
> This has been hashed over many times in the past. Grant McClaren=2C a
> past publisher of the BPA News=2C won't allow this type of copying.
> It's too bad=2C but he feels that he was done wrong by the Piet
> community some years ago & asserts his copyright rights.
>
> Kip Gardner
>
> On Mar 8=2C 2014=2C at 5:04 PM=2C Brian C-FAUK wrote:
>
.ca
> > >
> >
> > This is an idea for discussion. I have a large binder of Buckeye
> > Pietenpol Newsletters. I would like to see them scanned and put
> > somewhere on the net for public access. There is a lot of timeless
> > information in them. I would be willing to do some or all of the
> > work to do this but I have no idea the best way to do this and what
> > the reaction would be if I did it. Your comments are welcome.
> >
> > Perhaps this has already been discussed.
> >
> > --------
> > Brian Kenney
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> > Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Speaking of Doc... |
William Wynne has a nice article on flycorvair.net about Doc. Here's the link:
http://flycorvair.net/2014/03/08/pietenpol-weight-and-balance-article-source/
Welcome back, Doc!
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Kevin "Axel" Purtee
Rebuilding NX899KP
Austin/San Marcos, TX
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| Subject: | Re: Honda CB350 wheel modification directions |
Thank you. Very helpful.
Lorenzo
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Honda CB350 wheel modification directions
> From: billspiet@sympatico.ca
> Date: Sat=2C 8 Mar 2014 14:37:43 -0800
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>
ca>
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> For anyone interested=2C attached are a few photos of what the finished p
roduct looks like.
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> Bill C.
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| Subject: | Re: Old BPA newsletters |
As I said, this has all been discussed before, it's in the archives.
He asserts the rights to all the issues that were published by him, he
essentially WAS the BPA at the time, and copyright law is pretty clear
that he can assert those rights. I have no idea how Frank Pavliga
would feel about the copying of the issues published when his Dad was
the editor.
Kip Gardner
On Mar 8, 2014, at 5:52 PM, larharris2 Harris wrote:
> Are the rights owned by him personally? Or by the BPA?
>
> Lorenzo
>
>
> > From: kipandbeth@earthlink.net
> > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Old BPA newsletters
> > Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2014 17:34:35 -0500
> >
> >
> >
> > This has been hashed over many times in the past. Grant McClaren, a
> > past publisher of the BPA News, won't allow this type of copying.
> > It's too bad, but he feels that he was done wrong by the Piet
> > community some years ago & asserts his copyright rights.
> >
> > Kip Gardner
> >
> > On Mar 8, 2014, at 5:04 PM, Brian C-FAUK wrote:
> >
> > > >
> > >
> > > This is an idea for discussion. I have a large binder of Buckeye
> > > Pietenpol Newsletters. I would like to see them scanned and put
> > > somewhere on the net for public access. There is a lot of timeless
> > > information in them. I would be willing to do some or all of the
> > > work to do this but I have no idea the best way to do this and
> what
> > > the reaction would be if I did it. Your comments are welcome.
> > >
> > > Perhaps this has already been discussed.
> > >
> > > --------
> > > Brian Kenney
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Read this topic online here:
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> > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=420012#420012
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| Subject: | Re: Old BPA newsletters |
Can copyrights for a nonprofit org member communications be owned by an indi
vidual or does that belong to the org?
Sent from my iPhone
> On Mar 8, 2014, at 2:52 PM, larharris2 Harris <larharris2@msn.com> wrote:
>
> Are the rights owned by him personally? Or by the BPA?
>
> Lorenzo
>
>
>
> > From: kipandbeth@earthlink.net
> > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Old BPA newsletters
> > Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2014 17:34:35 -0500
> >
arthlink.net>
> >
> > This has been hashed over many times in the past. Grant McClaren, a
> > past publisher of the BPA News, won't allow this type of copying.
> > It's too bad, but he feels that he was done wrong by the Piet
> > community some years ago & asserts his copyright rights.
> >
> > Kip Gardner
> >
> > On Mar 8, 2014, at 5:04 PM, Brian C-FAUK wrote:
> >
e.ca
> > > >
> > >
> > > This is an idea for discussion. I have a large binder of Buckeye
> > > Pietenpol Newsletters. I would like to see them scanned and put
> > > somewhere on the net for public access. There is a lot of timeless
> > > information in them. I would be willing to do some or all of the
> > > work to do this but I have no idea the best way to do this and what
> > > the reaction would be if I did it. Your comments are welcome.
> > >
> > > Perhaps this has already been discussed.
> > >
> > > --------
> > > Brian Kenney
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Read this topic online here:
> > >
> > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=420012#420012
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| Subject: | Re: Old BPA newsletters |
Brian,
They do it with a fish scale, so why not this?
Maybe it would be possible to loan your binder out so others can see the old newsletters.
When one builder finishes, it gets sent to the next, and so on. There
may be a discussion in the archives about copyrights.However, there is nothing
that says I, or any other builder, can't read your copies.
If you are interested, let me know off-line, and I would be happy to assist in
any way I can. I just want to be in the queue.
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Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
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| Subject: | Re: Instrument mounting hint |
OK So it was a solution looking for a Problem that was not there.
It is bad here so the garage is dark. We are having "South Texas Snow" aka
Drizzle all day.
Thanks Guys,
Steve D
On Sat, Mar 8, 2014 at 2:10 PM, Greg Cardinal <gcardinal@comcast.net> wrote:
> Gauges are not angled on NX18235 and glare is no problem. Other than
> glancing at the oil temp and pressure once in awhile I rarely look at them.
>
> Greg C.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch@gmail.com>
> *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> *Sent:* Saturday, March 08, 2014 11:36 AM
> *Subject:* Pietenpol-List: Instrument mounting hint
>
> Just saw this on the Bonanza list.
>
> One setup for instruments is to angle the top of the artificial horizon to
> ensure it is level in flight.
>
> A side effect is that angling the instrument toward the pilot can help
> eliminate glare on the glass face.
>
> One instrument is available straight or with the top angled 8 degrees.
>
> What do y'all think. Is glare a problem in your piets? or is this a
> solution looking for a problem?
>
> Blue Skies,
>
> Steve D
>
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>
> ">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List <http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List>
> ics.com <http://ics.com>
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| Subject: | Re: Old BPA newsletters |
If those are the lost issues, Dan Halsper is your man. Entrusted with only
the most secret of secret documents and informational treasures. you need
to be talking to Dan the man! Please make sure you tell him that I sent you
John
In a message dated 3/8/2014 5:49:33 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
larharris2@msn.com writes:
I am all in favor of this. I have an incomplete set I would be willing to
contribute to the effort.
Lorenzo
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Old BPA newsletters
> From: brian.kenney@live.ca
> Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2014 14:04:34 -0800
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Brian C-FAUK"
<brian.kenney@live.ca>
>
> This is an idea for discussion. I have a large binder of Buckeye
Pietenpol Newsletters. I would like to see them scanned and put somewhere on the
net for public access. There is a lot of timeless information in them. I
would be willing to do some or all of the work to do this but I have no idea
the best way to do this and what the reaction would be if I did it. Your
comments are welcome.
>
> Perhaps this has already been discussed.
>
> --------
> Brian Kenney
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=420012#420012
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Old BPA newsletters |
Ok let's not debate the ownership of the old newsletters
I would still like input on how to download information that is available w
ith permission for access by others. Is this blog the best way to do it or
is there a better way?
Brian
From: kipandbeth@earthlink.net
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Old BPA newsletters
As I said=2C this has all been discussed before=2C it's in the archives. H
e asserts the rights to all the issues that were published by him=2C he ess
entially WAS the BPA at the time=2C and copyright law is pretty clear that
he can assert those rights. I have no idea how Frank Pavliga would feel ab
out the copying of the issues published when his Dad was the editor.
Kip Gardner
On Mar 8=2C 2014=2C at 5:52 PM=2C larharris2 Harris wrote:Are the rights ow
ned by him personally? Or by the BPA?
Lorenzo
> From: kipandbeth@earthlink.net
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Old BPA newsletters
> Date: Sat=2C 8 Mar 2014 17:34:35 -0500
>
rthlink.net>
>
> This has been hashed over many times in the past. Grant McClaren=2C a
> past publisher of the BPA News=2C won't allow this type of copying.
> It's too bad=2C but he feels that he was done wrong by the Piet
> community some years ago & asserts his copyright rights.
>
> Kip Gardner
>
> On Mar 8=2C 2014=2C at 5:04 PM=2C Brian C-FAUK wrote:
>
.ca
> > >
> >
> > This is an idea for discussion. I have a large binder of Buckeye
> > Pietenpol Newsletters. I would like to see them scanned and put
> > somewhere on the net for public access. There is a lot of timeless
> > information in them. I would be willing to do some or all of the
> > work to do this but I have no idea the best way to do this and what
> > the reaction would be if I did it. Your comments are welcome.
> >
> > Perhaps this has already been discussed.
> >
> > --------
> > Brian Kenney
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=420012#420012
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| Subject: | Re: Old BPA newsletters |
There are also International Pietenpol Association newsletters out there
from before the time the AAA took over the organization. I have some
that I would be happy to contribute.
Darrel Jones
Sonoma, CA
On 3/8/2014 2:49 PM, larharris2 Harris wrote:
> I am all in favor of this. I have an incomplete set I would be willing
> to contribute to the effort.
>
> Lorenzo
>
>
> > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Old BPA newsletters
> > From: brian.kenney@live.ca
> > Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2014 14:04:34 -0800
> > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> >
> <brian.kenney@live.ca>
> >
> > This is an idea for discussion. I have a large binder of Buckeye
> Pietenpol Newsletters. I would like to see them scanned and put
> somewhere on the net for public access. There is a lot of timeless
> information in them. I would be willing to do some or all of the work
> to do this but I have no idea the best way to do this and what the
> reaction would be if I did it. Your comments are welcome.
> >
> > Perhaps this has already been discussed.
> >
> > --------
> > Brian Kenney
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=420012#420012
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| Subject: | Re: Old BPA newsletters |
Here is what I propose, if the 2 of you are willing to share. I am willing to pay
the postage to get both sets of newsletters together. I will pay to send them
to my address. I will then pay the postage to get them to the next guy. When
he is done, then he pays to mail it on to the next guy, etc, etc.
By doing it that way, nobody reimburses anybody for postage, they just pay to
send it on.
Lest you think I am being pushy to be the first in line, that is why I am willing
to pay for postage to me as well as from me to the next guy. I am also willing
to collect the names and addresses of those builders interested in being a
part of the mobile library.
Let us know if you think that would work. But thanks for considering the possibility
of sharing your newsletters.
--------
Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
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| Subject: | Re: Old BPA newsletters |
Who runs the BPA and has the right to OK the publication? Perhaps they
would be posted in a Members only area. (Members Only jacket required)
With my next paycheck I am joining the BPA.
Blue Skies,
Steve D
On Sat, Mar 8, 2014 at 6:18 PM, Darrel Jones <wd6bor@vom.com> wrote:
> There are also International Pietenpol Association newsletters out there
> from before the time the AAA took over the organization. I have some that I
> would be happy to contribute.
>
> Darrel Jones
> Sonoma, CA
>
> On 3/8/2014 2:49 PM, larharris2 Harris wrote:
>
> I am all in favor of this. I have an incomplete set I would be willing to
> contribute to the effort.
>
> Lorenzo
>
>
> > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Old BPA newsletters
> > From: brian.kenney@live.ca
> > Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2014 14:04:34 -0800
> > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> >
> <brian.kenney@live.ca> <brian.kenney@live.ca>
> >
> > This is an idea for discussion. I have a large binder of Buckeye
> Pietenpol Newsletters. I would like to see them scanned and put somewhere
> on the net for public access. There is a lot of timeless information in
> them. I would be willing to do some or all of the work to do this but I
> have no idea the best way to do this and what the reaction would be if I
> did it. Your comments are welcome.
> >
> > Perhaps this has already been discussed.
> >
> > --------
> > Brian Kenney
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=420012#420012
> >
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Glen,
The attached picture, taken today just before a flight with Lee Graybill and
his Baby Ace, is of a Pietenpol.
not a GN-1 Aircamper.
or a re-designed St. Croix Pietenpol Aircamper.
It is a long fuselage, corvair powered Piet.all variations available only
through the Pietenpol family. Since you asked specifically about Pietenpols,
my answer was not intended to be a commentary on the variations of this fine
airplane, nor an analysis of what Mr. Pietenpol represented in the world of
experimental aviation.
FYI - Today's flight was with two 200 lb crew members! Good luck with your
decision.
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian Kenney
Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2014 7:31 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Which one?
This is a misleading answer and not correct.
For example there are four "Pietenpol" fuselages
There are two from the 1931 flying and glider magazine - a wood one and a
steel one.
There is a 1933 improved version with steel gear
and there is a 1966 fuselage for the corvair engine.
there are at least three engine mounts.
The suggestion that something is not a Pietenpol would have upset Bernie
Pietenpol and he was nothing like that protective.. He was an experimenter
and tried all kinds of things. The Air Camper has used more engines than
likely any other aircraft type.
So those protective of the Pietenpol name are really counter productive to
the idea of this blog and "experimental" aircraft in my opinion.
Brian
> From: gboothe5@comcast.net
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Which one?
> Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2014 19:44:49 -0800
>
>
> There is only one Pietenpol...get the plans from the Pietenpol family.
They
> will have updates available not in the Flying and Glider Manual. Anything
> else is not a Pietenpol.
>
> Gary Boothe
> NX308MB
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> glenschweizer@yahoo.com
> Sent: Friday, March 07, 2014 7:23 PM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Which one?
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>
> It's time to get serious and I could use some advice. How many different
> sets of plans are there for piets? I have the set published originally in
> the flying and glider manual. Are these different from the ones available
> from the pietenpol family? What about those available from St. Croix? How
> about the biplane version? Any input would be very appreciated
> Glen
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