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1. 12:39 AM - Re: my new article, need input (Clif Dawson)
2. 04:37 AM - Re: Cross Braces (womenfly2)
3. 04:55 AM - Re: Cross Braces (john francis)
4. 05:17 AM - Re: Cross Braces (womenfly2)
5. 05:25 AM - Re: Re: Cross Braces (Gary Boothe)
6. 05:45 AM - Re: Cross Braces (john francis)
7. 05:58 AM - Re: my new article, need input (glenschweizer@yahoo.com)
8. 06:06 AM - Re: Re: Cross Braces (Gary Boothe)
9. 06:41 AM - Re: Pietenpol refrence page (Boatright, Jeffrey)
10. 08:34 AM - Re: Cross Braces (William Wynne)
11. 08:53 AM - Re: Cross Braces (john francis)
12. 09:56 AM - Re: Pietenpol refrence page (womenfly2)
13. 09:59 AM - Re: Cross Braces (womenfly2)
14. 10:03 AM - Re: Cross Braces (taildrags)
15. 10:16 AM - Re: my new article, need input (jarheadpilot82)
16. 10:48 AM - Welding Question (John Franklin)
17. 12:03 PM - It's been 85 years, ya know.... (Don Emch)
18. 12:13 PM - Re: It's been 85 years, ya know.... (larharris2 Harris)
19. 12:30 PM - Re: It's been 85 years, ya know.... (Boatright, Jeffrey)
20. 01:00 PM - Re: It's been 85 years, ya know.... (Don Emch)
21. 01:07 PM - Re: It's been 85 years, ya know.... (echobravo4)
22. 01:08 PM - Re: It's been 85 years, ya know.... (tools)
23. 01:08 PM - Re: It's been 85 years, ya know.... (taildrags)
24. 01:24 PM - Re: Re: It's been 85 years, ya know.... (Boatright, Jeffrey)
25. 01:38 PM - Re: It's been 85 years, ya know.... (Don Emch)
26. 01:45 PM - 85 years (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC])
27. 01:45 PM - Re: Re: It's been 85 years, ya know.... (Boatright, Jeffrey)
28. 02:00 PM - Re: 85 years (Boatright, Jeffrey)
29. 02:44 PM - Re: Welding Question (Ryan M)
30. 05:25 PM - Re: 85 years (jarheadpilot82)
31. 06:50 PM - Re: 85 years (tools)
32. 07:01 PM - Re: 85 years (jarheadpilot82)
33. 08:36 PM - Re: 85 years (William Wynne)
34. 09:25 PM - West Coast Piet fly-in 2014 (Oscar Zuniga)
35. 10:03 PM - Re: Re: 85 years (Boatright, Jeffrey)
36. 10:52 PM - Re: West Coast Piet fly-in 2014 (Chris)
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Subject: | Re: my new article, need input |
It appears to be a lot lighter too.
Another "Simplicate and add lightness."
possibility.
Maybe even close to helium filled ping pong
balls.
Clif
The one thing I am most afraid of is a new idea.
Chairman Mao
I have barely heard of Oratex. Can't be better than my ice cream !
My gelato is damned good too. Thanks
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Subject: | Re: Cross Braces |
See the "shelf" detail under "constructional view of front of fuselage". It calls
for an 1 1/4" x 1 1/2" Ash top motor mount bearing brace and a 3/4" square
Spruce lower floor board brace. Sorry for the picture size, but it better to read
at this scale.
Enjoy the journey! .... WF2
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Subject: | Re: Cross Braces |
Thanks for the responses and I do see them on the prints. However, with a Corvair
engine, I believe these are modified because of the mounts. I just need to
know how.
John
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Subject: | Re: Cross Braces |
You did not mention Corvair engine. ;)
WF2
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Subject: | Re: Cross Braces |
John,
The corvair doesn't change much, if anything, especially if you use the WW
mount. One thing I am very glad I did (stole the idea from Jim Boyer), was
to glue some "firewall placement dowels" in the x-piece supports (that's why
they are longer than plans). That piece of plywood must have come off and on
at least 100 times! After final attachment, just cut the dowels flush and
install the firewall metal. If you don't have a forward fuel tank, you can
use the x-piece as a support for a forward baggage.
Gary Boothe
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of john francis
Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2014 4:55 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Cross Braces
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Thanks for the responses and I do see them on the prints. However, with a
Corvair engine, I believe these are modified because of the mounts. I just
need to know how.
John
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Subject: | Re: Cross Braces |
Gary,
Thanks, the picture explains a lot. Did you build the top crosspiece as the plans
suggest and notch it to fit around the front strut? That I cant see in the
picture.
John
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Subject: | Re: my new article, need input |
Helium works good in tires
Sent from my iPhone
> On Mar 12, 2014, at 12:39 AM, "Clif Dawson" <cdawson5854@shaw.ca> wrote:
>
> It appears to be a lot lighter too.
>
> Another "Simplicate and add lightness."
> possibility.
>
> Maybe even close to helium filled ping pong
> balls.
>
> Clif
>
> The one thing I am most afraid of is a new idea.
> Chairman Mao
> I have barely heard of Oratex. Can't be better than my ice cream ! My ge
lato is damned good too. Thanks
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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Subject: | Re: Cross Braces |
No. that is done as extra support for the Model A engine.
Gary Boothe
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Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2014 5:45 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Cross Braces
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Gary,
Thanks, the picture explains a lot. Did you build the top crosspiece as the plans
suggest and notch it to fit around the front strut? That I cant see in the
picture.
John
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Subject: | Re: Pietenpol refrence page |
Thanks for the resource, William!
--
Jeffrey H. Boatright, PhD, FARVO
Associate Professor of Ophthalmology
Emory University School of Medicine
On 3/12/14 2:20 AM, "William Wynne" <WilliamTCA@aol.com> wrote:
>
>Pieten-people,
>
>If builders and fans have not had a chance to see it, I have a single
>page on my main site where all of our Piet and BHP stories are collected.
>It is at this link:
>
>http://flycorvair.net/2013/11/28/corvair-pietenpol-reference-page/
>
>It is not all Corvair stuff, it has information on the life and influence
>of BHP, Cabanes and fuel lines, Weight and Balance, mount construction,
>landing gear design, props, cooling, box spars, etc. There are 34
>separate stories there, a few hundred photos.
>
>I like Corvairs, but I am not a zealot about them. I am glad to provide
>information to any builder, I don't care what has or will power his
>plane. I have many happy hours behind All manner of Continentals and
>Lycomings, Radials from PW, Warner, Wright and the Russians, even Olds
>and Chevy V-8s....(But never a Rotax 912)... We even own a Schweizer
>1-26 that has no motor at all.
>
>If you are a Continental or Ford guy our two webpages still have info you
>can use. http://www.flycorvair.com/ has pages on carbs, thrust and HP
>testing, FI and props. http://flycorvair.net/ has nearly 500 stories,
>many on instrumentation, wiring, flight tests, books and more. Plenty of
>things to learn there, even if we have nothing for you to buy.-ww
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Cross Braces |
John,
To add to what Gary and others have said;
As pointed out, the strength of the cross brace in the original plans is because
it is the aft end of the motor mount bearers. This was common in the'20s, look
at how an OX-5 is in a jenny (it is kind of imbedded in the fuselage but it
is on bearers)
Fast forward to the 1960s and look at BHP's original Corvair mount. At first glance
it is an odd structural design, but looking at it, the purpose emerges as
a retrofit to existing fuselage construction. It has two large steel main tubes
that are taking the function of the ash bearers. BHP's Corvair mount is also
tied into the cross brace that forms the bottom of the shelf.
The mounts we build today are different. Here is a view of one of our mounts on
the same airframe, Mark Chouinard's, that was used as your original picture:
http://flycorvair.net/2013/10/17/pietenpol-mount-on-airframe/
On a modern build, the cross brace has much lower load on it, and it can be made
light, as in Gary's photos. However, I want everyone to understand that the
plywood firewall must now go all the way to the top of the upper longerons (or
higher) because it stabilizes them against the slight load they get pulling them
together.
I have flown a modern mount on our Piet with a low firewall and shelf (Our plane
was originally Ford powered) without thinking about it much, but I went back
later and raised the firewall to full height and put a 1"x1" cross brace on it
just below the top longerons to stiffen it .
Gary's plane has the thrust line in the stock location, which also mimics the Ford
installation. This is required on a BHP Corvair conversion, because he retained
the blower fan. A modern electric start Corvair can have the thrust line
moved up 3" without getting into the top cowl. This was tested on our Piet in
1999. The modern mounts we make in our fixture all come this way. I have hand
built a few with the original low line for guys like Bob Lester, who was trying
to fit an original cowl, but all the ones you see on projects like Mark Chouinard's,
Kevin Purtee's, Dave Aldrich's, Jim Boyer's and Terry Hand's are all
high thrust line mounts. There is some pretty good photos covering thrust lines
and axle location at this link:
http://flycorvair.net/2012/11/08/pietenpol-products-motor-mounts-gear-and-instalation-components/
-ww
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Subject: | Re: Cross Braces |
Thanks William, nice to have you on the list.
John
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Subject: | Re: Pietenpol refrence page |
Picture of Mark Chouinard Piet and his Corvair motor mount ... may help.
WF2
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Subject: | Re: Cross Braces |
Picture of Mark Chouinard Piet and his Corvair motor mount ... may help. Your braces
almost look the same.
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Subject: | Re: Cross Braces |
Another 'aha' moment for me! Looking at the pix of Pieten-Vairs, I now see the
difference between the thrust line using the BHP engine mount and the modern
mount. Essentially, if the Corvair valve covers are more or less in line with
the top longerons, it's a modern mount. If they are below it, then it's a BHP
mount (designed to accommodate the top blower).
I have a BHP mount sitting in my hangar and will have to take a closer look at
it next time I'm out there.
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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Subject: | Re: my new article, need input |
Steve,
I am, indeed, thinking about Oratex. I think it looks good and is a strong as you
know what. Contact Lars at betteraircraftfabric.com and he will send a free
sample in the color(s) you want.
I know it is not Irish linen. Or even Dacron, but it is an interesting product.
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Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
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Subject: | Welding Question |
Hey Pietsters,
Is it OK to weld a stainless steel bolt to a 4130 bushing using TIG with stainless
316 filler rod? This is for the Contrex tach sensor bracket that WW recommends.
Thanks,
John Franklin
GN-1 / Corvair 164cid
Prairie Aire 4TA0
Needville, TX
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Subject: | It's been 85 years, ya know.... |
Just kicking around and idea....
In '09, for the 80th anniversary of the "Air Camper" several of us flew as a group
to Oshkosh. We made a humble little statement that Pietenpols and their builders
are alive and well. Overall it was a success and created a lot of memories
for a lot of people. I also believe it kick started several builds. I
think any design that has endured like the Pietenpol design has deserves to be
recognized at least every 5 years.
Any interest out there in doing something similar to what we did in '09? It was
also done in '99 and '89. Maybe it's a little premature to think about doing
it again, but every 10 years just seems like a long time to put together a little
Oshkosh celebration. What has worked in the past has been to congregate
at Brodhead for the regular Piet fly-in then gather together and fly en mass
to Oshkosh on Sunday morning. There would have to be lots of cooperation with
the OSH tower and EAA folks. They'd have to want to recognize the 85th Year
Anniversary to make it really cool. In the past we've had a few "ins" when it
came to dealing with those folks.
What do all the flyers or organizers think about this? I sure had a Piet-load
of fun in '09. Besides one of my sweet kids dropped and broke my mug that I got
for flying in there. I need to get another one...
Don Emch
NX899DE
P.S. It's okay to shoot the idea down... won't hurt my feelings. :)
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Subject: | It's been 85 years, ya know.... |
Great idea. I wish I had mine ready to participate. Not until next year. Pe
rhaps I will be able to attend the 90th . . .
Lorenzo
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: It's been 85 years=2C ya know....
> From: EmchAir@aol.com
> Date: Wed=2C 12 Mar 2014 12:02:51 -0700
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>
>
> Just kicking around and idea....
>
> In '09=2C for the 80th anniversary of the "Air Camper" several of us flew
as a group to Oshkosh. We made a humble little statement that Pietenpols
and their builders are alive and well. Overall it was a success and create
d a lot of memories for a lot of people. I also believe it kick started se
veral builds. I think any design that has endured like the Pietenpol desig
n has deserves to be recognized at least every 5 years.
>
> Any interest out there in doing something similar to what we did in '09?
It was also done in '99 and '89. Maybe it's a little premature to think a
bout doing it again=2C but every 10 years just seems like a long time to pu
t together a little Oshkosh celebration. What has worked in the past has b
een to congregate at Brodhead for the regular Piet fly-in then gather toget
her and fly en mass to Oshkosh on Sunday morning. There would have to be l
ots of cooperation with the OSH tower and EAA folks. They'd have to want t
o recognize the 85th Year Anniversary to make it really cool. In the past
we've had a few "ins" when it came to dealing with those folks.
>
> What do all the flyers or organizers think about this? I sure had a Piet
-load of fun in '09. Besides one of my sweet kids dropped and broke my mug
that I got for flying in there. I need to get another one...
>
> Don Emch
> NX899DE
>
> P.S. It's okay to shoot the idea down... won't hurt my feelings. :)
>
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Subject: | Re: It's been 85 years, ya know.... |
I have been slowly getting all my systems in place to finally fly my Piet
up to Brodhead. I am on the fence about OSH, but if others want to go in a
gaggle, I'm in!
As to cooperation with OSH organizers, I'd love to see it. At one point
the powers that be were wringing their hands about declining numbers of
"antique" planes attending. I pointed out to them that they cannot expect
antique planes to flock to a venue that forces them to operate with modern
strictures such as hard-surface runways and ignoring crosswinds. Our
planes and their cohorts were designed at a time when most "airports" were
simply open fields. All landings were done into the wind and on grass. I
can land on hard surfaces, but for what we are all about, the obvious
choice is Pioneer Airfield. Also, wouldn't it be cool to have a bunch of
Piets parked around Bernard's old hangar?
Those comments were sent in '09, after some kerfuffles with the Piets
being forced to land on hard surfaces in challenging winds. So far I
haven't gotten a response.
--
Jeffrey H. Boatright, PhD, FARVO
Associate Professor of Ophthalmology
Emory University School of Medicine
On 3/12/14 3:02 PM, "Don Emch" <EmchAir@aol.com> wrote:
>
>Just kicking around and idea....
>
>In '09, for the 80th anniversary of the "Air Camper" several of us flew
>as a group to Oshkosh. We made a humble little statement that Pietenpols
>and their builders are alive and well. Overall it was a success and
>created a lot of memories for a lot of people. I also believe it kick
>started several builds. I think any design that has endured like the
>Pietenpol design has deserves to be recognized at least every 5 years.
>
>Any interest out there in doing something similar to what we did in '09?
>It was also done in '99 and '89. Maybe it's a little premature to think
>about doing it again, but every 10 years just seems like a long time to
>put together a little Oshkosh celebration. What has worked in the past
>has been to congregate at Brodhead for the regular Piet fly-in then
>gather together and fly en mass to Oshkosh on Sunday morning. There
>would have to be lots of cooperation with the OSH tower and EAA folks.
>They'd have to want to recognize the 85th Year Anniversary to make it
>really cool. In the past we've had a few "ins" when it came to dealing
>with those folks.
>
>What do all the flyers or organizers think about this? I sure had a
>Piet-load of fun in '09. Besides one of my sweet kids dropped and broke
>my mug that I got for flying in there. I need to get another one...
>
>Don Emch
>NX899DE
>
>P.S. It's okay to shoot the idea down... won't hurt my feelings. :)
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=420212#420212
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Subject: | Re: It's been 85 years, ya know.... |
Jeff,
I landed on the hard surface with a stupid stiff crosswind at OSH that year. many
of the guys in the gaggle lined up on the runway and then in the last hundred
feet or so just side stepped over and landed on the grass beside the runway.
As far as I know nothing was ever said to them.
Flying in there in a gaggle does ease a little of the stress and might be a good
opportunity for those wanting to get their chance to go to the big show.
Don Emch
NX899DE
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Subject: | Re: It's been 85 years, ya know.... |
I would love to do that!
Hoping to have mine done for the 90th
Tho'
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Subject: | Re: It's been 85 years, ya know.... |
I've got a few in's with Oshkosh organizers, would be happy to do what I can.
Piet's hangar is probably out do to Kidventure, which takes Pioneer field out with
it.
An EARLY arrival is probably the best plan, weather and traffic wise. Would be
happy to host an evening event here in Oshkosh in the firehouse. I've got a
great meeting area that could easily hold 20 to 30 people, and if there's more,
I'll just open the whole place. For folks that fly in, we could set a meeting
place and I'll pick up as many as I can in the old 1929 LaFrance fire truck!
If there were at least 5 or 6 planes, I imagine we could try to get them together,
would be fun to have a old Ford car or truck parked with them! The EAA has
an old T, would work if nothing else pans out. I could probably get the EAA's
displays out of Bernie's hangar to put with the airplanes for the public's
viewing pleasure, would make it more formal looking as a group.
I'd even be happy to get a beer going for the event that we could tap that evening.
What's the consensus on style?
The firehouse is located at 6th and Main, probably two miles or so from the field.
Half a dozen great bars and restaurants within walking distance. Google
"Brooklyn Firehouse Oshkosh" to see it and find some pictures (from the real estate
add, think they're still online) of the venue.
Tools
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Subject: | Re: It's been 85 years, ya know.... |
As far as having an "in", and not to put anybody on the spot, but remember the
story about Doc Mosher driving right past the gate guard to get in at OSH? What
if Doc leads the gaggle?
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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Subject: | Re: It's been 85 years, ya know.... |
Boy, that sounds like a gaggle of even better ideas! One thing about OSH -
you're never more than two blocks from a bar, once you get off the field.
;)
As to the other, having been involved in organizing large conventions, I
know that every decision is a compromise. But, it sure seems like a huge
waste of Pioneer Airfield to have the helicopters and Kidventure shut it
down to most other uses. Kidventure, if it's still held in a big tent,
could really be anywhere there's a large field (like the OTHER side of the
museum, or even in the big, old exhibits building that apparently isn't
being used at all this year). And, obviously, helicopters can operate
almost anywhere.
I know, I know, there are probably a lot of domino effects that result in
the current set up, but talk about a natural for antique planes. I don't
really grock the purpose of Pioneer Airfield if it's not used at the
association's premier event to promote...pioneering aviation!
--
Jeffrey H. Boatright, PhD, FARVO
Associate Professor of Ophthalmology
Emory University School of Medicine
On 3/12/14 4:07 PM, "tools" <n0kkj@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>I've got a few in's with Oshkosh organizers, would be happy to do what I
>can.
>
>Piet's hangar is probably out do to Kidventure, which takes Pioneer field
>out with it.
>
>An EARLY arrival is probably the best plan, weather and traffic wise.
>Would be happy to host an evening event here in Oshkosh in the firehouse.
> I've got a great meeting area that could easily hold 20 to 30 people,
>and if there's more, I'll just open the whole place. For folks that fly
>in, we could set a meeting place and I'll pick up as many as I can in the
>old 1929 LaFrance fire truck!
>
>If there were at least 5 or 6 planes, I imagine we could try to get them
>together, would be fun to have a old Ford car or truck parked with them!
>The EAA has an old T, would work if nothing else pans out. I could
>probably get the EAA's displays out of Bernie's hangar to put with the
>airplanes for the public's viewing pleasure, would make it more formal
>looking as a group.
>
>I'd even be happy to get a beer going for the event that we could tap
>that evening. What's the consensus on style?
>
>The firehouse is located at 6th and Main, probably two miles or so from
>the field. Half a dozen great bars and restaurants within walking
>distance. Google "Brooklyn Firehouse Oshkosh" to see it and find some
>pictures (from the real estate add, think they're still online) of the
>venue.
>
>Tools
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=420222#420222
>
>
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Subject: | Re: It's been 85 years, ya know.... |
In '09 we went the formal route and the EAA folks were involved in organizing the
gaggle coming in and they promoted it in literature ahead of time. I'd be
happy to organize something if I had the right people to talk to at OSH. The
last time Bill Rewey was a key organizer and did a lot of the talking to EAA.
That worked out really well. If we think we have enough interest I could go
a step further and contact the EAA. but we'd have to have some real interest
from the flyers.
Don Emch
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Between John Hoffman and Doc Mosher they have all the contacts at EAA any g
roup could ever want to organize a gathering. I was involved with the 70
th & 80th gatherings
and really the only thing you need is to confirm with EAA that they'll rese
rve a place for everyone to park and a date and time of arrival. I have
found that flying into Oshkosh
is safer and more organized than any local flying I do at uncontrolled fiel
ds by a long shot as a group or flying the Ripon/Fisk arrival. Don Emch
gave a perfect option for landing
on grass too next to the paved runways.
Mike C.
Ohio
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Subject: | Re: It's been 85 years, ya know.... |
If I can make to Brodhead, then I'm willing to commit to Oshkosh. I
realize the former is the big "if" for a guy from Atlanta, but what can I
say? The good Lord willing and the crick don't rise...
--
Jeffrey H. Boatright, PhD, FARVO
Associate Professor of Ophthalmology
Emory University School of Medicine
On 3/12/14 4:38 PM, "Don Emch" <EmchAir@aol.com> wrote:
>
>In '09 we went the formal route and the EAA folks were involved in
>organizing the gaggle coming in and they promoted it in literature ahead
>of time. I'd be happy to organize something if I had the right people to
>talk to at OSH. The last time Bill Rewey was a key organizer and did a
>lot of the talking to EAA. That worked out really well. If we think we
>have enough interest I could go a step further and contact the EAA. but
>we'd have to have some real interest from the flyers.
>
>Don Emch
>NX899DE
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You guys are making it tough for me to concentrate here at work! Now I'm ju
st reading emails and trying to convince myself that nobody will notice if
I sneak out to the airport for a quick evening flight=85
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From: <Cuy>, "LLC]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov<mailto:michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>>
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Between John Hoffman and Doc Mosher they have all the contacts at EAA any g
roup could ever want to organize a gathering. I was involved with the 70
th & 80th gatherings
and really the only thing you need is to confirm with EAA that they=92ll re
serve a place for everyone to park and a date and time of arrival. I ha
ve found that flying into Oshkosh
is safer and more organized than any local flying I do at uncontrolled fiel
ds by a long shot as a group or flying the Ripon/Fisk arrival. Don Emch
gave a perfect option for landing
on grass too next to the paved runways.
Mike C.
Ohio
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Subject: | Re: Welding Question |
Use 309
http://www.lincolnelectric.com/en-us/support/welding-how-to/Pages/filler-met
al-detail.aspx
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On Mar 12, 2014, at 1:47 PM, John Franklin <jbfjr@peoplepc.com> wrote:
>
> Hey Pietsters,
>
> Is it OK to weld a stainless steel bolt to a 4130 bushing using TIG with s
tainless 316 filler rod? This is for the Contrex tach sensor bracket that W
W recommends.
>
> Thanks,
> John Franklin
> GN-1 / Corvair 164cid
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I like Tools' idea of a Piet fest at his place. Could be a good time for a bunch
of Pietenpol guys.
Leinenkugels for all my friends!
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Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
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Leiny's? I was gonna MAKE a keg... not the store bought stuff...
Though Leiny's is good!
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Leiny's or "tooly's", I am in there, either way!
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Athens, GA
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Pietenpolers,
Two cents on a group fly in to Oshkosh:
Last year we had a 'Corvair power' row reserved at Oshkosh. One of the best things
about it was the EAA put it right behind my booth, which backed up right on
the homebuilt flight line. Randy Bush's 500 hr Pietenpol was within 25' feet
of my tent. This year my space is #616, in the same spot. While you could park
the Piets anywhere between Warbirds and Aeroshell square, consider for a minute
requesting a row behind my booth.
While most companies just do business 9-5, we tend to run our place as a social
operations base 6am-12pm. We have cookouts two nights, but all week we have electricity,
shade, lawn chairs, coolers, food, tools, mechanics, welders, valuables
storage, books, beach umbrellas, ground transportation, spare tie downs,
water, computers, Cordless screwdrivers, emergency cash, a primo gate pass, a
gas grill, Folding tables, funnels, heaters, an air-conditioner, tarps, beer,
a service dog available for petting, a coffee pot, more beer and a trailer to
hide in during rainstorms. The Weseman's are right next to us, and they bring
even more stuff. Sovereign countries have started protracted wars with less equipment
than we bring to Oshkosh.
Having the row behind us allows us to keep an eye on planes. Last year during a
squall we went out and doubled up everyone's tie downs. I can bring up stuff
from Brodhead on Sunday that you may not want in the plane. A row near the Arch
can mean not having a place to sit and every bottle of water setting you back
$6. Our booth at Oshkosh basically costs $3,000 for the week, and our approach
is to get every dollars worth of fun out of it. If it isn't forbidden in the
fine print, we do it, If it is forbidden, I claim I never saw it, If I am reminded
that I was reprimanded for doing it last year, I point out continuous exposure
to 100LL causes amnesia.
Mike, Mr.Tools or whomever would like to lead, my input is to get Charlie Becker
and Doc Mosher in the loop, they are Luke and Obwan, and always have the right
person to call to make things go smoothly. At Oshkosh, the force is with them.
-ww
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Subject: | West Coast Piet fly-in 2014 |
So... is there an info page=2C or a "host"=2C or a common point of contact
for the Frazier Lake event=2C or is this list the meeting place? I'm start
ing to get a little more excited about the event since it has really starte
d to be spring around here. We're supposed to be into the 70s for highs th
is weekend and the days this week have been just beautiful. The pireps fro
m you Pieters who have already ventured out of the hangar have also gotten
my blood stirring.
Just two things left to do before I fill the tank and pull the prop on Scou
t=2C and those should happen this weekend. I've got my engine oil all read
y for the oil change once I warm up the engine=2C and I dug out the headset
and tangle of cords that goes with it. I'm on a controlled field=2C so fo
r the past year or so I've had my little Icom IC-A23 on tower frequency any
time I'm in the hangar so I can pick up the chatter and figure out what's w
hat. Today I checked with the A&P who's going to do the condition inspecti
on on the airplane and he's ready when Scout is. This will not be his firs
t condition inspection on an Air Camper=2C but we'll see what he thinks whe
n he peeks up Scout's skirt. I can already smell that engine exhaust as I
run up the engine and taxi test to see how it handles with the Matco tailwh
eel.
So it's about 12 weeks till the fly-in. I'll need at least two more weeks
to get odds and ends wrapped up=2C then another week for the inspection and
another week to clear up squawks=2C so that leaves 8 weeks to get in the a
ir and get comfortable before I run the Siskiyou Summit headed south. I've
been reading up on how to fly a good test card to determine Vx and Vy and
I want to do that during that time=2C too. I need to scale it back to Piet
proportions though... most test cards out there are for planes that can cl
imb thousands of feet in a reasonable amount of time=2C and they don't even
start their test programs till they get to about 3000'. I would burn an a
fternoon and a tank of fuel trying to do that! They also recommend using a
stopwatch for the timed climbs. I'm going to use an hourglass =3Bo)
I also need to make a 'For Sale' sign to hang on the plane at Frazier Lake.
That's the plan=2C anyway.
Oscar Zuniga
Medford=2C OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power=2C Tennessee Props 72x36 prop
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A service dog that fetches beer for me from someone else's cooler?
Schuh-weet -- I'm there!
Jeffrey H. Boatright, PhD, FARVO
Associate Professor of Ophthalmology
Emory University School of Medicine
Sent from an iPad with a spelling problem
> On Mar 12, 2014, at 11:38 PM, "William Wynne" <WilliamTCA@aol.com> wrote:
>
>
> Pietenpolers,
>
> Two cents on a group fly in to Oshkosh:
>
> Last year we had a 'Corvair power' row reserved at Oshkosh. One of the best things
about it was the EAA put it right behind my booth, which backed up right
on the homebuilt flight line. Randy Bush's 500 hr Pietenpol was within 25' feet
of my tent. This year my space is #616, in the same spot. While you could
park the Piets anywhere between Warbirds and Aeroshell square, consider for a
minute requesting a row behind my booth.
>
> While most companies just do business 9-5, we tend to run our place as a social
operations base 6am-12pm. We have cookouts two nights, but all week we have
electricity, shade, lawn chairs, coolers, food, tools, mechanics, welders, valuables
storage, books, beach umbrellas, ground transportation, spare tie downs,
water, computers, Cordless screwdrivers, emergency cash, a primo gate pass,
a gas grill, Folding tables, funnels, heaters, an air-conditioner, tarps, beer,
a service dog available for petting, a coffee pot, more beer and a trailer
to hide in during rainstorms. The Weseman's are right next to us, and they bring
even more stuff. Sovereign countries have started protracted wars with less
equipment than we bring to Oshkosh.
>
> Having the row behind us allows us to keep an eye on planes. Last year during
a squall we went out and doubled up everyone's tie downs. I can bring up stuff
from Brodhead on Sunday that you may not want in the plane. A row near the Arch
can mean not having a place to sit and every bottle of water setting you back
$6. Our booth at Oshkosh basically costs $3,000 for the week, and our approach
is to get every dollars worth of fun out of it. If it isn't forbidden in
the fine print, we do it, If it is forbidden, I claim I never saw it, If I am
reminded that I was reprimanded for doing it last year, I point out continuous
exposure to 100LL causes amnesia.
>
> Mike, Mr.Tools or whomever would like to lead, my input is to get Charlie Becker
and Doc Mosher in the loop, they are Luke and Obwan, and always have the right
person to call to make things go smoothly. At Oshkosh, the force is with
them. -ww
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=420249#420249
>
>
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Subject: | West Coast Piet fly-in 2014 |
Oscar
Mike Groah is the point man for the fly-in. I heard from him the other day
and he is working on this year's flyer. I'm sure info will be out soon.
But really all you need to know is the date and where. That's about all
there is to the details. Is a very low key affair.
Chris T.
Sacramento, Ca
Westcoastpiet.com
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Oscar Zuniga
Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2014 9:25 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: West Coast Piet fly-in 2014
So... is there an info page, or a "host", or a common point of contact for
the Frazier Lake event, or is this list the meeting place? I'm starting to
get a little more excited about the event since it has really started to be
spring around here. We're supposed to be into the 70s for highs this
weekend and the days this week have been just beautiful. The pireps from
you Pieters who have already ventured out of the hangar have also gotten my
blood stirring.
Just two things left to do before I fill the tank and pull the prop on
Scout, and those should happen this weekend. I've got my engine oil all
ready for the oil change once I warm up the engine, and I dug out the
headset and tangle of cords that goes with it. I'm on a controlled field,
so for the past year or so I've had my little Icom IC-A23 on tower frequency
anytime I'm in the hangar so I can pick up the chatter and figure out what's
what. Today I checked with the A&P who's going to do the condition
inspection on the airplane and he's ready when Scout is. This will not be
his first condition inspection on an Air Camper, but we'll see what he
thinks when he peeks up Scout's skirt. I can already smell that engine
exhaust as I run up the engine and taxi test to see how it handles with the
Matco tailwheel.
So it's about 12 weeks till the fly-in. I'll need at least two more weeks
to get odds and ends wrapped up, then another week for the inspection and
another week to clear up squawks, so that leaves 8 weeks to get in the air
and get comfortable before I run the Siskiyou Summit headed south. I've
been reading up on how to fly a good test card to determine Vx and Vy and I
want to do that during that time, too. I need to scale it back to Piet
proportions though... most test cards out there are for planes that can
climb thousands of feet in a reasonable amount of time, and they don't even
start their test programs till they get to about 3000'. I would burn an
afternoon and a tank of fuel trying to do that! They also recommend using a
stopwatch for the timed climbs. I'm going to use an hourglass ;o)
I also need to make a 'For Sale' sign to hang on the plane at Frazier Lake.
That's the plan, anyway.
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power, Tennessee Props 72x36 prop
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