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1. 03:28 AM - Re: Welding Question (Michael Perez)
2. 06:09 AM - Re: West Coast Piet fly-in 2014 (AircamperN11MS)
3. 06:18 AM - Re: Re: 85 years (Jack Phillips)
4. 06:43 AM - Re: 85 years (William Wynne)
5. 06:51 AM - Pietenpol article---Smithsonian Air & Space Magazine from 2010 (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC])
6. 07:01 AM - Re: 85 years (tools)
7. 08:08 AM - Re: 85 years (Don Emch)
8. 08:12 AM - Re: 85 years (jarheadpilot82)
9. 08:25 AM - Re: Re: 85 years (Boatright, Jeffrey)
10. 08:53 AM - Re: Pietenpol article---Smithsonian Air & Space Magazine from 20 (giacummo)
11. 09:32 AM - Re: 85 years (William Wynne)
12. 09:56 AM - Re: Re: West Coast Piet fly-in 2014 (Michael Groah)
13. 10:07 AM - Re: 85 years (taildrags)
14. 10:43 AM - Re: 85 years (tools)
15. 11:23 AM - Re: Re: 85 years (Jack Phillips)
16. 12:57 PM - Re: Re: 85 years (Kip and Beth Gardner)
17. 01:31 PM - Re: 85 years (nightmare)
18. 03:23 PM - Re: 85 years (William Wynne)
19. 03:30 PM - Re: Pietenpol article---Smithsonian Air & Space Magazine from 20 (giacummo)
20. 07:28 PM - Re: Pietenpol article---Smithsonian Air & Space Magazine from 20 (AircamperN11MS)
21. 07:56 PM - SNF (Dick N)
22. 08:07 PM - Re: Pietenpol article---Smithsonian Air & Space Magazine from 20 (taildrags)
23. 08:11 PM - Re: Pietenpol article---Smithsonian Air & Space Magazine from 20 (AircamperN11MS)
24. 08:11 PM - Re: SNF (tools)
25. 08:12 PM - Re: SNF (taildrags)
26. 08:48 PM - Re: Re: SNF (Dick N)
27. 08:51 PM - Support the General Aviation Pilot Protection Act (Oscar Zuniga)
28. 08:56 PM - Re: Re: 85 years (Joe Motis)
29. 09:18 PM - Re: SNF (taildrags)
30. 09:56 PM - Re: Re: West Coast Piet fly-in 2014 (Chris)
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| Subject: | Re: Welding Question |
Agreed, ER309L is you beat best for SS and 4130.
If God is your co-pilot...switch seats.
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | Re: West Coast Piet fly-in 2014 |
Oscar,
I also heard from Mike G last night. He was confirming the final details for the
flyer.
PIREP from Lancaster CA. I gave a couple of rides over the past weekend. On Saturday
I took David Tracy, (yes Chris, your brother) and we flew for an hour
or so with a bunch of fun stuff mixed in. dropping in on unsuspecting friends
and such. It was great fun. then Sunday I took up another Dave and we flew for
about 0.8 hours. Just flying around, no landing anywhere since he was so heavy.
He admitted to 244lbs. He filled the whole front cockpit. He is the heaviest
person I have taken for a ride. It was about 70 degrees out and my airfield
is at 2347 MSL. The poor plane needed about 99% power to remain aloft.
I think the next flight will just be me so I can remember what a joy it is to
fly as a single seat plane. Gotta do that every now and then.
Oscar, once you get to flying it again you may reconsider selling. Don't be surprised
if you do.
Cheers everyone and go flying,
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Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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That's a nice offer, William. It would be great to have all the Pietenpols
in a row on the flight line.
Another contact that might be helpful is Jeff Gaulden, who usually handles
homebuilt parking. He's a Pietenpol builder. In 2011 (the last time I flew
my Piet to OSH), he parked me right by the "Brown Arch" leading to the
flightline.
I managed to take advantage of such a spot when Paul Poberezny showed up to
present an award. After his presentation, I asked if he would autograph my
airplane. He replied "I don't autograph airplanes. Which one is it?"
I pointed it out to him and he smiled and said, "I'll autograph a
Pietenpol".
One of the proudest moments of my life.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of William
Wynne
Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2014 11:36 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: 85 years
Pietenpolers,
Two cents on a group fly in to Oshkosh:
Last year we had a 'Corvair power' row reserved at Oshkosh. One of the best
things about it was the EAA put it right behind my booth, which backed up
right on the homebuilt flight line. Randy Bush's 500 hr Pietenpol was within
25' feet of my tent. This year my space is #616, in the same spot. While
you could park the Piets anywhere between Warbirds and Aeroshell square,
consider for a minute requesting a row behind my booth.
While most companies just do business 9-5, we tend to run our place as a
social operations base 6am-12pm. We have cookouts two nights, but all week
we have electricity, shade, lawn chairs, coolers, food, tools, mechanics,
welders, valuables storage, books, beach umbrellas, ground transportation,
spare tie downs, water, computers, Cordless screwdrivers, emergency cash, a
primo gate pass, a gas grill, Folding tables, funnels, heaters, an
air-conditioner, tarps, beer, a service dog available for petting, a coffee
pot, more beer and a trailer to hide in during rainstorms. The Weseman's are
right next to us, and they bring even more stuff. Sovereign countries have
started protracted wars with less equipment than we bring to Oshkosh.
Having the row behind us allows us to keep an eye on planes. Last year
during a squall we went out and doubled up everyone's tie downs. I can bring
up stuff from Brodhead on Sunday that you may not want in the plane. A row
near the Arch can mean not having a place to sit and every bottle of water
setting you back $6. Our booth at Oshkosh basically costs $3,000 for the
week, and our approach is to get every dollars worth of fun out of it. If it
isn't forbidden in the fine print, we do it, If it is forbidden, I claim I
never saw it, If I am reminded that I was reprimanded for doing it last
year, I point out continuous exposure to 100LL causes amnesia.
Mike, Mr.Tools or whomever would like to lead, my input is to get Charlie
Becker and Doc Mosher in the loop, they are Luke and Obwan, and always have
the right person to call to make things go smoothly. At Oshkosh, the force
is with them. -ww
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Jeff,
He is not quite that kind of a dog, he is much more likely to sit in your lap and
help you finish your coffee when your not looking. He is very quiet at airshows,
and most people never see him, but people who love animals pick him up on
their radar, and spend a few minutes petting him. He is a stand in for companions
left at home for a week. Many of these people are not Corvair nor experimental
builders, just flyers and dog people.
At Oshkosh 2013 a fantastically beautiful woman, reminiscent of Raquel Welch in
'100 rifles' came in the booth and asked to pet the dog. She was dressed more
for a day at the beach than one at a trade show. She sat in a chair with him
and held him against her chest for 20 or 30 minutes while her husband was checking
out turboprops at Dimetech. She rocked him and sang him a soft song. A bunch
of Corvair guys on the other side of the tent had a hard time keeping mechanical
trains of thought going. One of them finally said "In my next life I am
coming back as a small dog."
A friend of ours from California questioned he is a real 'service dog' and I showed
him the paper work that originated with Grace's country doctor in our small
FL town, stating the dog was anxiety relief. He scoffed, but I pointed out
that the government in his home state of California has spent 10 years prescribing
regulating and distributing marijuana to people for ailments like low self
esteem. Our dog is a lot less harmful than that.
To see pictures of Brodhead 2013 and our booth and plane row last year, get a look
at this link:
http://flycorvair.net/2013/08/12/brodhead-oshkosh-and-beyond-2013/ -ww.
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| Subject: | Pietenpol article---Smithsonian Air & Space Magazine from |
2010
Since winter has a tight grip on many of us still, here's a little armchair
reading for
those who might not have seen this article by the late and wonderful gentle
man and aviation author Marshall Lumsden.
http://www.airspacemag.com/history-of-flight/the-pride-of-cherry-grove-1044
0619/?no-ist
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You mention beer twice and sang the Navy mantra (better to beg forgiveness...).
I'm in! Let me know if I can help.
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William,
That sounds great. Thanks for the offer to set up a ground support! At this point
we are starting to get the ball rolling with some of the EAA folks to find
out about doing a mass arrival. Again, the only way it would really work is
if we actually have a "mass". I wonder if the EAA might be willing to either
set up a tent or loan out some of their Piet stuff for William's area and there
could be a Pietenpol display. Maybe we could corral a couple of knowledgable
volunteers to stand post for a few shifts to spread the Pietenpol cheer. Just
some ideas....
Don Emch
NX899DE
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I won't flying in a Pietenpol, but I will be flying in midweek for 3 days or so.
Happy to help in any way. Just let me know.
--------
Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
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Service dogs are one of the best ideas going, IMO. My mom's neighbor has a
service dog for many needs and it has changed her life. Never heard of a
dog drinking coffee (beer yes, but not coffee). I guess it makes him that
much more human! Does he fly with guys?
--
Jeffrey H. Boatright, PhD, FARVO
Associate Professor of Ophthalmology
Emory University School of Medicine
On 3/13/14 9:42 AM, "William Wynne" <WilliamTCA@aol.com> wrote:
>
>Jeff,
>
>He is not quite that kind of a dog, he is much more likely to sit in your
>lap and help you finish your coffee when your not looking. He is very
>quiet at airshows, and most people never see him, but people who love
>animals pick him up on their radar, and spend a few minutes petting him.
>He is a stand in for companions left at home for a week. Many of these
>people are not Corvair nor experimental builders, just flyers and dog
>people.
>
>At Oshkosh 2013 a fantastically beautiful woman, reminiscent of Raquel
>Welch in '100 rifles' came in the booth and asked to pet the dog. She was
>dressed more for a day at the beach than one at a trade show. She sat in
>a chair with him and held him against her chest for 20 or 30 minutes
>while her husband was checking out turboprops at Dimetech. She rocked him
>and sang him a soft song. A bunch of Corvair guys on the other side of
>the tent had a hard time keeping mechanical trains of thought going. One
>of them finally said "In my next life I am coming back as a small dog."
>
>A friend of ours from California questioned he is a real 'service dog'
>and I showed him the paper work that originated with Grace's country
>doctor in our small FL town, stating the dog was anxiety relief. He
>scoffed, but I pointed out that the government in his home state of
>California has spent 10 years prescribing regulating and distributing
>marijuana to people for ailments like low self esteem. Our dog is a lot
>less harmful than that.
>
>To see pictures of Brodhead 2013 and our booth and plane row last year,
>get a look at this link:
>
>http://flycorvair.net/2013/08/12/brodhead-oshkosh-and-beyond-2013/ -ww.
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=420271#420271
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol article---Smithsonian Air & Space Magazine |
from 20
Great article Mike
regards
--------
Mario Giacummo
Photos here: http://goo.gl/wh7M4
Little Blog : http://vgmk1.blogspot.com
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Jeff,
Yes, the dog is a Java Junkie, but it isn't on his approved list so he steals it
from unattended mugs. You can see his first plane flight at this link:
http://www.flycorvair.com/hangar0109.html
Don,
My experience is that the EAA will support most ideas that don't absorb manpower,
which they are short of during Oshkosh. A big part of getting their support
is explaining that this isn't something for the 10 guys flying in in their planes,
but it is a gathering point to have many people from the Pietenpol community
make Oshkosh a specific destination this year.
Food for thought: Rather than bringing the EAA's Piet artifacts to the flight line,
How about a visit to the Pietenpol hangar? We could pick one evening and
have a group photo there, and perhaps we could get inside the rope access. I personally
would love to spend a few hours sitting in that hangar, looking at marks
on the workbench and walls. I would like to get a lot of detail photos of
BHP's plane there, and the hangar.
Someone should start a dialog with the EAA about how the Pietenpol community can
maintain and improve that hangar, the display, and its contents. Spring and
fall weekend work parties? You have a lot better chance of getting permission
to land at pioneer airport then. You can ask Doc Mosher for more details, he is
well versed in operations at Pioneer airport.
In speaking with Doc the other day, we both spent a lot of time on the idea that
now 85 years later, near 100% of the people involved with the plane and the
legacy of the man arrived in the second half of the 85 years. This means that
someone, or in most cases, a chain of someones, people we are too late to thank
personally, preserved "Pietenpols" for each of us to 'discover.' Getting your
plane done and flying it is the best way to preserve the chain, add another
strong link. But there are also many other ways, and not every one of them has
to be the titanic effort that Doc and Dee put into the news letter and developing
'the Packet.' There are lots of smaller, good things that people do all the
time. If we can weave some of these together at the Hangar at Pioneer airport,
good. The structure sits on EAA property, but it doesn't belong to them.
It is actually owned by every person who ever unrolled a set of Pietenpol plans
at his kitchen table and quietly said to himself "I must build this.....' -ww.
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| Subject: | Re: West Coast Piet fly-in 2014 |
As Chris and Scott stated I should have the flyer emailed and snail mailed
out today or Friday.- I don't know why it's taken me so long this year. T
hings have just been busy I guess.- =0A=0AAs just a quick piece of info t
he basic details of the event are:=0A=0ADate:- Saturday June 7, 2014=0ALo
cation:- Frazier Lake Airpark- 1C9 (near Hollister CA)=0A=0AOur host is
Charlie Miller who is based at Frazier Lake.- =0A=0AMore to come in the
coming days!=0A=0AMike Groah=0ATulare CA =0A414MV=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AOn Thurs
day, March 13, 2014 6:18 AM, AircamperN11MS <Scott.liefeld@lacity.org> wrot
eld@lacity.org>=0A=0AOscar,=0A=0AI also heard from Mike G last night.- He
was confirming the final details for the flyer.- =0A=0APIREP from Lancas
ter CA.- I gave a couple of rides over the past weekend.- On Saturday I
took David Tracy, (yes Chris, your brother) and we flew for an hour or so
with a bunch of fun stuff mixed in. dropping in on unsuspecting friends and
such.- It was great fun. then Sunday I took up another Dave and we flew
for about 0.8 hours.- Just flying around, no landing anywhere since he wa
s so heavy.- He admitted to 244lbs.- He filled the whole front cockpit.
- He is the heaviest person I have taken for a ride.- It was about 70 d
egrees out and my airfield is at 2347 MSL.- The poor plane needed about 9
9% power to remain aloft.- I think the next flight will just be me so I c
an remember what a joy it is to fly as a single seat plane.- Gotta do tha
t every now and then. =0A=0AOscar, once you get to flying it again you may
reconsider selling.- Don't be surprised if you do.- =0A=0ACheers everyo
ne and go flying,=0A=0A--------=0AScott Liefeld=0AFlying N11MS since March
1972=0ASteel Tube=0AC-85-12=0AWire Wheels=0ABrodhead in 1996=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A
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- - - - - - - - - - - - - -Matt Dralle, List Admi
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Well said, William. Besides having several other airplane and engine projects
that I need to get busy on, part of the reason why I have decided to sell my Air
Camper is to "preserve Pietenpols for someone else to discover". I see so
many wannabes and lurkers on these lists with little more than a set of plans
and a head full of dreams. It is almost beyond their grasp to imagine that they
could somehow hold down a job, raise a family, pay the bills, and still glue
sticks together into the shape of an airplane in the garage. They can scarcely
afford to pay for their flight reviews and airman medicals, if they even have
those yet. Renting a spam can just to go fly over some pretty countryside
for an hour can set them back more than they pay for gas to drive to work, pick
up and drop off the kids, buy groceries, and all the rest of it. Flying may
be out of their grasp for many decades to come, if they even hold on to the
dream that long.
I want to find that one person who has the dream, and take them for a ride in my
airplane. I'll know if it's the right person, the right fit. One of the best
Piet pictures I have is one that I got from Don Emch, and it says everything
that needs to be said about this. I never get tired of looking at this picture.
See attached.
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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I can get the stuff from Piet's hangar for display. We can also most likely go
there for a group thingy, but from about 9 to 4, it's CLOBBERED with Kidventure,
that at this point, ain't gonna change I doubt. They have quite a lot of
momentum that prevents an entire change of venue at one time.
Like most of airventure, it's volunteer based. I volunteered last year at Kid
Venture as well, and it's a different sort of thing. Rather formal and proceduralized
partially in the name of protecting kids. They got all upset with my
son (who volunteered there as well) because he was wearing the WRONG volunteer
shirt... both were given to him at the same time, and same place and were both
red. The lettering was different... I'm telling ya, it ain't likely we're
gonna get that whole thing to change, and it probably shouldn't although I REALLY
think the area could be WAY better utilized.
I just had no idea how big of an event the kid venture thing was until I worked
over there.
I also volunteer during the flying season flying out of Pioneer field. Getting
permission to land there is a simple matter of getting an approval from Sean
Elliot. However, NO flying other than helos during airventure.
I do NOT know anything about the ultralight area, but it does have some appeal
to a Piet in terms of an arrival. Different lower, slower, pattern. It's a venue
where rides could possibly be given DURING airventure. I gotta say, from
an observer's standpoint, those guys look like they're having FUN FUN FUN sun
up to sun down. However, don't know about the feasibility of getting a plane
from WW's place to there and back sort of thing, which pretty much relegates
the Piets to displays for the main event. If anyone does know much about that
area (and I think Greg Cardinal does), would love to hear about that.
Back to Bernie's hangar. Since I work for Jim Casper, who runs Pioneer, I'd be
happy to get the keys and arrange a behind the scenes tour of his hangar. I'm
in there all summer long and I gotta say it's a GREAT resource as I build parts
for my Piet with that only a few feet away. We'd probably have to do it after
Kid Venture closes for the day, which is about when the airshow for the day
starts, around 4. A group photo would be cool.
Just got a call back from Jim, Dan owns most of Pioneer during Air Venture (he
runs Kid Venture...) and he'll check with him and let me know for sure. So hopefully
that'll be arranged in the next couple days. The hangar is open during
the day, but I think after hours would be better as a private showing. Kinda
hard for us to be behind the ropes will a million kids come to and fro...
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Oscar, that's the best way - taking someone up in your Pietenpol and
"hooking" them on it.
Several years ago, I got an email from a Lurker on the list who lived in
Raleigh (where I lived at the time), asking if he could meet me at the
airport and take a look at my Pietenpol. I readily agreed to meet him the
following Saturday morning.
When we got to the airport I could tell from his questions that he was
seriously interested in building a Pietenpol. We took plenty of time
looking at the plane and I answered many questions. Then I suggested we go
for a ride.
It was one of those mornings you dream about. 100 mile visibility, no wind
and air smooth as glass. We took off from Sanford, NC (KTTA) and headed
north, over Jordan Lake. I let him fly it, and that was all it took.
His name is Chuck Borsuk and he is now nearing completion of one of the
nicest Pietenpols I've ever seen. When he finishes his and flies it to
Brodhead for the first time, I'll feel that I've had a small hand in helping
to pass on the legacy.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of taildrags
Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2014 1:07 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: 85 years
Well said, William. Besides having several other airplane and engine
projects that I need to get busy on, part of the reason why I have decided
to sell my Air Camper is to "preserve Pietenpols for someone else to
discover". I see so many wannabes and lurkers on these lists with little
more than a set of plans and a head full of dreams. It is almost beyond
their grasp to imagine that they could somehow hold down a job, raise a
family, pay the bills, and still glue sticks together into the shape of an
airplane in the garage. They can scarcely afford to pay for their flight
reviews and airman medicals, if they even have those yet. Renting a spam
can just to go fly over some pretty countryside for an hour can set them
back more than they pay for gas to drive to work, pick up and drop off the
kids, buy groceries, and all the rest of it. Flying may be out of their
grasp for many decades to come, if they even hold on to the dream that long.
I want to find that one person who has the dream, and take them for a ride
in my airplane. I'll know if it's the right person, the right fit. One of
the best Piet pictures I have is one that I got from Don Emch, and it says
everything that needs to be said about this. I never get tired of looking
at this picture. See attached.
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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Said pic taken at Barber Airport, Alliance, OH, one of the 'greats' in
grassroots aviation.
Kip Gardner
On Mar 13, 2014, at 1:06 PM, taildrags wrote:
> >
>
> Well said, William. Besides having several other airplane and
> engine projects that I need to get busy on, part of the reason why I
> have decided to sell my Air Camper is to "preserve Pietenpols for
> someone else to discover". I see so many wannabes and lurkers on
> these lists with little more than a set of plans and a head full of
> dreams. It is almost beyond their grasp to imagine that they could
> somehow hold down a job, raise a family, pay the bills, and still
> glue sticks together into the shape of an airplane in the garage.
> They can scarcely afford to pay for their flight reviews and airman
> medicals, if they even have those yet. Renting a spam can just to
> go fly over some pretty countryside for an hour can set them back
> more than they pay for gas to drive to work, pick up and drop off
> the kids, buy groceries, and all the rest of it. Flying may be out
> of their grasp for many decades to come, if they even hold on to the
> dream that long.
>
> I want to find that one person who has the dream, and take them for
> a ride in my airplane. I'll know if it's the right person, the
> right fit. One of the best Piet pictures I have is one that I got
> from Don Emch, and it says everything that needs to be said about
> this. I never get tired of looking at this picture. See attached.
>
> --------
> Oscar Zuniga
> Medford, OR
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> A75 power
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=420286#420286
>
>
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William: I read beer, funnel but no mention of the required 3/4 I.D. tubing.
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Paul Donahue
Started 8-3-12
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Mr. Nightmare,
Your observation of the missing link of the Beer-Funnel-Hose 'fire triangle' reveals
you to be a bit of a pyromaniac, no? Wonderful, we have more of your kind
in our camp. I myself have long been the designated driver at airshows, but
was once a member in good standing of the congregation who faithfully tithe 10%
of their income to the church of Anheuser-Busch. I could once recite the entire
1896 A.E. Housman poem "Terrance, this is stupid stuff" which includes the
observation:
"And malt does more than Milton can
To justify God's ways to man.
Ale, man, ale's the stuff to drink
For fellows whom it hurts to think."
We will be holding Corvair College #29 in Leesburg FL in two weeks; Our local host
is an old friend who flew my Piet with me to Brodhead 2000. Arnold is the
same man who was the local host of Corvair College#17 in 2010, a bit of a pyromaniac
himself. You can see photos of #17 at this link:
http://www.flycorvair.com/cc17.html
Although we built and ran 20 engines, In the middle the photos show kegs of beer,
a bon fire big enough to melt 10 corroded Corvair cases and a late night skeet
contest with 12 gauges. Our feelings were hurt when several magazines refused
the story, one editor writing back to say that I was the only person in aviation
promoting the Alcohol-Firearms and Aircraft combination. My protests that
I grew up with Pappy Boyington as a hero and that the editor had the critical
sequence reversed, fell on deaf ears.
Nightmare, be forewarned, Arnold and his gang could be at Oshkosh, and if you bring
that hose, I cannot guarantee Walt-Disney behavior from our people. -ww
------------------------------------------------
PS: Only Colleges at Arnolds are like this, The ones hosted by Pietenpol Southern
gentleman extraordinaire P.F. Beck and crew in SC are classy and refined.
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol article---Smithsonian Air & Space Magazine |
from 20
Watching the photographs of the piets the sentence that said something like "there
are not two equals Piets"... look where the control cables come out in the
first two Piets.. mine's are like the second one. ;o)
regards.
--------
Mario Giacummo
Photos here: http://goo.gl/wh7M4
Little Blog : http://vgmk1.blogspot.com
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol article---Smithsonian Air & Space Magazine |
from 20
Mario,
You have a good eye. The blue airplane belongs to a friend of mine. It is a Grega
GN-1. The second plane is a Piet.
--------
Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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Hey all
I just want to let all of you dreamers know I am busy cutting up
bulkheads for two sets of floats Dave Aldrich and I are going to build
in the Wood Workshop at Sun n Fun on April 1-6 this year. If anyone
wants to stop by and help or just BS we will be working some long days
on this project.
Dick N
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol article---Smithsonian Air & Space Magazine |
from 20
Scott: is it just me, or is the gap between the vertical stab and the rudder on
Aircamper One-Six-Charlie-Bravo pretty wide? It looks wider than most.
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol article---Smithsonian Air & Space Magazine |
from 20
Oscar,
Dad has a GN-1 also and the gap in his rudder looks a lot like the one you see.
I think it is just one of those Grega trademarks. Dad put in foam gap seals on
the rudder and elevator.
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Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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Oh... that's just mean.
DETAILS! Piet floats? Wood floats?
That just might entice me down there!
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Dick; I'm very interested! Please take pictures of the floats during the construction
and I'll be happy to put them up on a website for myself and others to
learn from. If these are the straight MukTuk-style floats, the plans leave
it up to the builder to determine various things such as the locations for the
strut/leg mounting pads, type and style of water rudder, rudder control cables,
and a few other things. When I got my plans years ago, there weren't many
prefab rudders available but nowadays there seem to be some that can be adapted
from kayaks and other such craft.
The MukTuk float plans are scaled up or down depending on the required displacement.
Are the ones you'll be building scaled for the Air Camper's displacement?
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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Oscar and Mike
Yes these are the Muk Tuk floats. I will take a pic at least everyday, I
will add one extra bulkhead and I have a lot to figure out yet..
Dick N.
----- Original Message -----
From: "taildrags" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2014 10:12 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: SNF
>
> Dick; I'm very interested! Please take pictures of the floats during the
> construction and I'll be happy to put them up on a website for myself and
> others to learn from. If these are the straight MukTuk-style floats, the
> plans leave it up to the builder to determine various things such as the
> locations for the strut/leg mounting pads, type and style of water rudder,
> rudder control cables, and a few other things. When I got my plans years
> ago, there weren't many prefab rudders available but nowadays there seem
> to be some that can be adapted from kayaks and other such craft.
>
> The MukTuk float plans are scaled up or down depending on the required
> displacement. Are the ones you'll be building scaled for the Air Camper's
> displacement?
>
> --------
> Oscar Zuniga
> Medford, OR
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> A75 power
>
>
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=420316#420316
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>
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| Subject: | Support the General Aviation Pilot Protection Act |
Please sign this petition=2C post it to your FB page=2C then send it to eve
ry pilot you know!!!
http://govt.eaa.org/14781/support-general-aviation-pilot-protection-act/?m
=4503281
Oscar Zuniga
Medford=2C OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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Thanks for a great article.
Joe Motis
On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 3:22 PM, William Wynne <WilliamTCA@aol.com> wrote:
>
> Mr. Nightmare,
>
> Your observation of the missing link of the Beer-Funnel-Hose 'fire
> triangle' reveals you to be a bit of a pyromaniac, no? Wonderful, we have
> more of your kind in our camp. I myself have long been the designated
> driver at airshows, but was once a member in good standing of the
> congregation who faithfully tithe 10% of their income to the church of
> Anheuser-Busch. I could once recite the entire 1896 A.E. Housman poem
> "Terrance, this is stupid stuff" which includes the observation:
>
> "And malt does more than Milton can
> To justify God's ways to man.
> Ale, man, ale's the stuff to drink
> For fellows whom it hurts to think."
>
> We will be holding Corvair College #29 in Leesburg FL in two weeks; Our
> local host is an old friend who flew my Piet with me to Brodhead 2000.
> Arnold is the same man who was the local host of Corvair College#17 in
> 2010, a bit of a pyromaniac himself. You can see photos of #17 at this link:
>
> http://www.flycorvair.com/cc17.html
>
> Although we built and ran 20 engines, In the middle the photos show kegs
> of beer, a bon fire big enough to melt 10 corroded Corvair cases and a late
> night skeet contest with 12 gauges. Our feelings were hurt when several
> magazines refused the story, one editor writing back to say that I was the
> only person in aviation promoting the Alcohol-Firearms and Aircraft
> combination. My protests that I grew up with Pappy Boyington as a hero and
> that the editor had the critical sequence reversed, fell on deaf ears.
>
> Nightmare, be forewarned, Arnold and his gang could be at Oshkosh, and if
> you bring that hose, I cannot guarantee Walt-Disney behavior from our
> people. -ww
>
> ------------------------------------------------
>
> PS: Only Colleges at Arnolds are like this, The ones hosted by Pietenpol
> Southern gentleman extraordinaire P.F. Beck and crew in SC are classy and
> refined.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=420301#420301
>
>
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Dick; probably everything you still need to figure out can be deduced by studying
the attached photo. You'll get close enough, anyway. Water taxiing is all
about where the step in the floats is placed relative to the CG, and the rest
is pretty much figuring out the geometry of the mounting hardware.
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| Subject: | Re: West Coast Piet fly-in 2014 |
Scott
I was talking to my brother last night and he really enjoyed the flight. He
said he really liked landing at your friends runways. He also said you're a
good pilot. High praise from him. Thanks for making his move easier and
more importantly finding him a hanger.
Chris
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
AircamperN11MS
Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2014 6:09 AM
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--> <Scott.liefeld@lacity.org>
Oscar,
I also heard from Mike G last night. He was confirming the final details
for the flyer.
PIREP from Lancaster CA. I gave a couple of rides over the past weekend.
On Saturday I took David Tracy, (yes Chris, your brother) and we flew for an
hour or so with a bunch of fun stuff mixed in. dropping in on unsuspecting
friends and such. It was great fun. then Sunday I took up another Dave and
we flew for about 0.8 hours. Just flying around, no landing anywhere since
he was so heavy. He admitted to 244lbs. He filled the whole front cockpit.
He is the heaviest person I have taken for a ride. It was about 70 degrees
out and my airfield is at 2347 MSL. The poor plane needed about 99% power
to remain aloft. I think the next flight will just be me so I can remember
what a joy it is to fly as a single seat plane. Gotta do that every now and
then.
Oscar, once you get to flying it again you may reconsider selling. Don't be
surprised if you do.
Cheers everyone and go flying,
--------
Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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