---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 03/13/14: 30 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:28 AM - Re: Welding Question (Michael Perez) 2. 06:09 AM - Re: West Coast Piet fly-in 2014 (AircamperN11MS) 3. 06:18 AM - Re: Re: 85 years (Jack Phillips) 4. 06:43 AM - Re: 85 years (William Wynne) 5. 06:51 AM - Pietenpol article---Smithsonian Air & Space Magazine from 2010 (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]) 6. 07:01 AM - Re: 85 years (tools) 7. 08:08 AM - Re: 85 years (Don Emch) 8. 08:12 AM - Re: 85 years (jarheadpilot82) 9. 08:25 AM - Re: Re: 85 years (Boatright, Jeffrey) 10. 08:53 AM - Re: Pietenpol article---Smithsonian Air & Space Magazine from 20 (giacummo) 11. 09:32 AM - Re: 85 years (William Wynne) 12. 09:56 AM - Re: Re: West Coast Piet fly-in 2014 (Michael Groah) 13. 10:07 AM - Re: 85 years (taildrags) 14. 10:43 AM - Re: 85 years (tools) 15. 11:23 AM - Re: Re: 85 years (Jack Phillips) 16. 12:57 PM - Re: Re: 85 years (Kip and Beth Gardner) 17. 01:31 PM - Re: 85 years (nightmare) 18. 03:23 PM - Re: 85 years (William Wynne) 19. 03:30 PM - Re: Pietenpol article---Smithsonian Air & Space Magazine from 20 (giacummo) 20. 07:28 PM - Re: Pietenpol article---Smithsonian Air & Space Magazine from 20 (AircamperN11MS) 21. 07:56 PM - SNF (Dick N) 22. 08:07 PM - Re: Pietenpol article---Smithsonian Air & Space Magazine from 20 (taildrags) 23. 08:11 PM - Re: Pietenpol article---Smithsonian Air & Space Magazine from 20 (AircamperN11MS) 24. 08:11 PM - Re: SNF (tools) 25. 08:12 PM - Re: SNF (taildrags) 26. 08:48 PM - Re: Re: SNF (Dick N) 27. 08:51 PM - Support the General Aviation Pilot Protection Act (Oscar Zuniga) 28. 08:56 PM - Re: Re: 85 years (Joe Motis) 29. 09:18 PM - Re: SNF (taildrags) 30. 09:56 PM - Re: Re: West Coast Piet fly-in 2014 (Chris) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:28:23 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Welding Question Agreed, ER309L is you beat best for SS and 4130. If God is your co-pilot...switch seats. Michael Perez Pietenpol HINT Videos Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:09:02 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: West Coast Piet fly-in 2014 From: "AircamperN11MS" Oscar, I also heard from Mike G last night. He was confirming the final details for the flyer. PIREP from Lancaster CA. I gave a couple of rides over the past weekend. On Saturday I took David Tracy, (yes Chris, your brother) and we flew for an hour or so with a bunch of fun stuff mixed in. dropping in on unsuspecting friends and such. It was great fun. then Sunday I took up another Dave and we flew for about 0.8 hours. Just flying around, no landing anywhere since he was so heavy. He admitted to 244lbs. He filled the whole front cockpit. He is the heaviest person I have taken for a ride. It was about 70 degrees out and my airfield is at 2347 MSL. The poor plane needed about 99% power to remain aloft. I think the next flight will just be me so I can remember what a joy it is to fly as a single seat plane. Gotta do that every now and then. Oscar, once you get to flying it again you may reconsider selling. Don't be surprised if you do. Cheers everyone and go flying, -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=420268#420268 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:18:11 AM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: 85 years That's a nice offer, William. It would be great to have all the Pietenpols in a row on the flight line. Another contact that might be helpful is Jeff Gaulden, who usually handles homebuilt parking. He's a Pietenpol builder. In 2011 (the last time I flew my Piet to OSH), he parked me right by the "Brown Arch" leading to the flightline. I managed to take advantage of such a spot when Paul Poberezny showed up to present an award. After his presentation, I asked if he would autograph my airplane. He replied "I don't autograph airplanes. Which one is it?" I pointed it out to him and he smiled and said, "I'll autograph a Pietenpol". One of the proudest moments of my life. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of William Wynne Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2014 11:36 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: 85 years Pietenpolers, Two cents on a group fly in to Oshkosh: Last year we had a 'Corvair power' row reserved at Oshkosh. One of the best things about it was the EAA put it right behind my booth, which backed up right on the homebuilt flight line. Randy Bush's 500 hr Pietenpol was within 25' feet of my tent. This year my space is #616, in the same spot. While you could park the Piets anywhere between Warbirds and Aeroshell square, consider for a minute requesting a row behind my booth. While most companies just do business 9-5, we tend to run our place as a social operations base 6am-12pm. We have cookouts two nights, but all week we have electricity, shade, lawn chairs, coolers, food, tools, mechanics, welders, valuables storage, books, beach umbrellas, ground transportation, spare tie downs, water, computers, Cordless screwdrivers, emergency cash, a primo gate pass, a gas grill, Folding tables, funnels, heaters, an air-conditioner, tarps, beer, a service dog available for petting, a coffee pot, more beer and a trailer to hide in during rainstorms. The Weseman's are right next to us, and they bring even more stuff. Sovereign countries have started protracted wars with less equipment than we bring to Oshkosh. Having the row behind us allows us to keep an eye on planes. Last year during a squall we went out and doubled up everyone's tie downs. I can bring up stuff from Brodhead on Sunday that you may not want in the plane. A row near the Arch can mean not having a place to sit and every bottle of water setting you back $6. Our booth at Oshkosh basically costs $3,000 for the week, and our approach is to get every dollars worth of fun out of it. If it isn't forbidden in the fine print, we do it, If it is forbidden, I claim I never saw it, If I am reminded that I was reprimanded for doing it last year, I point out continuous exposure to 100LL causes amnesia. Mike, Mr.Tools or whomever would like to lead, my input is to get Charlie Becker and Doc Mosher in the loop, they are Luke and Obwan, and always have the right person to call to make things go smoothly. At Oshkosh, the force is with them. -ww Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=420249#420249 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:43:46 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: 85 years From: "William Wynne" Jeff, He is not quite that kind of a dog, he is much more likely to sit in your lap and help you finish your coffee when your not looking. He is very quiet at airshows, and most people never see him, but people who love animals pick him up on their radar, and spend a few minutes petting him. He is a stand in for companions left at home for a week. Many of these people are not Corvair nor experimental builders, just flyers and dog people. At Oshkosh 2013 a fantastically beautiful woman, reminiscent of Raquel Welch in '100 rifles' came in the booth and asked to pet the dog. She was dressed more for a day at the beach than one at a trade show. She sat in a chair with him and held him against her chest for 20 or 30 minutes while her husband was checking out turboprops at Dimetech. She rocked him and sang him a soft song. A bunch of Corvair guys on the other side of the tent had a hard time keeping mechanical trains of thought going. One of them finally said "In my next life I am coming back as a small dog." A friend of ours from California questioned he is a real 'service dog' and I showed him the paper work that originated with Grace's country doctor in our small FL town, stating the dog was anxiety relief. He scoffed, but I pointed out that the government in his home state of California has spent 10 years prescribing regulating and distributing marijuana to people for ailments like low self esteem. Our dog is a lot less harmful than that. To see pictures of Brodhead 2013 and our booth and plane row last year, get a look at this link: http://flycorvair.net/2013/08/12/brodhead-oshkosh-and-beyond-2013/ -ww. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=420271#420271 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:51:15 AM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol article---Smithsonian Air & Space Magazine from 2010 Since winter has a tight grip on many of us still, here's a little armchair reading for those who might not have seen this article by the late and wonderful gentle man and aviation author Marshall Lumsden. http://www.airspacemag.com/history-of-flight/the-pride-of-cherry-grove-1044 0619/?no-ist [cid:image002.png@01CF3EA1.B273E430] [cid:image003.jpg@01CF3EA1.B273E430] ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:01:35 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: 85 years From: "tools" You mention beer twice and sang the Navy mantra (better to beg forgiveness...). I'm in! Let me know if I can help. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=420274#420274 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:08:48 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: 85 years From: "Don Emch" William, That sounds great. Thanks for the offer to set up a ground support! At this point we are starting to get the ball rolling with some of the EAA folks to find out about doing a mass arrival. Again, the only way it would really work is if we actually have a "mass". I wonder if the EAA might be willing to either set up a tent or loan out some of their Piet stuff for William's area and there could be a Pietenpol display. Maybe we could corral a couple of knowledgable volunteers to stand post for a few shifts to spread the Pietenpol cheer. Just some ideas.... Don Emch NX899DE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=420277#420277 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:12:30 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: 85 years From: "jarheadpilot82" I won't flying in a Pietenpol, but I will be flying in midweek for 3 days or so. Happy to help in any way. Just let me know. -------- Semper Fi, Terry Hand Athens, GA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=420278#420278 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:25:40 AM PST US From: "Boatright, Jeffrey" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: 85 years Service dogs are one of the best ideas going, IMO. My mom's neighbor has a service dog for many needs and it has changed her life. Never heard of a dog drinking coffee (beer yes, but not coffee). I guess it makes him that much more human! Does he fly with guys? -- Jeffrey H. Boatright, PhD, FARVO Associate Professor of Ophthalmology Emory University School of Medicine On 3/13/14 9:42 AM, "William Wynne" wrote: > >Jeff, > >He is not quite that kind of a dog, he is much more likely to sit in your >lap and help you finish your coffee when your not looking. He is very >quiet at airshows, and most people never see him, but people who love >animals pick him up on their radar, and spend a few minutes petting him. >He is a stand in for companions left at home for a week. Many of these >people are not Corvair nor experimental builders, just flyers and dog >people. > >At Oshkosh 2013 a fantastically beautiful woman, reminiscent of Raquel >Welch in '100 rifles' came in the booth and asked to pet the dog. She was >dressed more for a day at the beach than one at a trade show. She sat in >a chair with him and held him against her chest for 20 or 30 minutes >while her husband was checking out turboprops at Dimetech. She rocked him >and sang him a soft song. A bunch of Corvair guys on the other side of >the tent had a hard time keeping mechanical trains of thought going. One >of them finally said "In my next life I am coming back as a small dog." > >A friend of ours from California questioned he is a real 'service dog' >and I showed him the paper work that originated with Grace's country >doctor in our small FL town, stating the dog was anxiety relief. He >scoffed, but I pointed out that the government in his home state of >California has spent 10 years prescribing regulating and distributing >marijuana to people for ailments like low self esteem. Our dog is a lot >less harmful than that. > >To see pictures of Brodhead 2013 and our booth and plane row last year, >get a look at this link: > >http://flycorvair.net/2013/08/12/brodhead-oshkosh-and-beyond-2013/ -ww. > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=420271#420271 > > ________________________________ This e-mail message (including any attachments) is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this message (including any attachments) is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please contact the sender by reply e-mail message and destroy all copies of the original message (including attachments). ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:53:26 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol article---Smithsonian Air & Space Magazine from 20 From: "giacummo" Great article Mike regards -------- Mario Giacummo Photos here: http://goo.gl/wh7M4 Little Blog : http://vgmk1.blogspot.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=420281#420281 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:32:23 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: 85 years From: "William Wynne" Jeff, Yes, the dog is a Java Junkie, but it isn't on his approved list so he steals it from unattended mugs. You can see his first plane flight at this link: http://www.flycorvair.com/hangar0109.html Don, My experience is that the EAA will support most ideas that don't absorb manpower, which they are short of during Oshkosh. A big part of getting their support is explaining that this isn't something for the 10 guys flying in in their planes, but it is a gathering point to have many people from the Pietenpol community make Oshkosh a specific destination this year. Food for thought: Rather than bringing the EAA's Piet artifacts to the flight line, How about a visit to the Pietenpol hangar? We could pick one evening and have a group photo there, and perhaps we could get inside the rope access. I personally would love to spend a few hours sitting in that hangar, looking at marks on the workbench and walls. I would like to get a lot of detail photos of BHP's plane there, and the hangar. Someone should start a dialog with the EAA about how the Pietenpol community can maintain and improve that hangar, the display, and its contents. Spring and fall weekend work parties? You have a lot better chance of getting permission to land at pioneer airport then. You can ask Doc Mosher for more details, he is well versed in operations at Pioneer airport. In speaking with Doc the other day, we both spent a lot of time on the idea that now 85 years later, near 100% of the people involved with the plane and the legacy of the man arrived in the second half of the 85 years. This means that someone, or in most cases, a chain of someones, people we are too late to thank personally, preserved "Pietenpols" for each of us to 'discover.' Getting your plane done and flying it is the best way to preserve the chain, add another strong link. But there are also many other ways, and not every one of them has to be the titanic effort that Doc and Dee put into the news letter and developing 'the Packet.' There are lots of smaller, good things that people do all the time. If we can weave some of these together at the Hangar at Pioneer airport, good. The structure sits on EAA property, but it doesn't belong to them. It is actually owned by every person who ever unrolled a set of Pietenpol plans at his kitchen table and quietly said to himself "I must build this.....' -ww. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=420284#420284 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 09:56:05 AM PST US From: Michael Groah Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: West Coast Piet fly-in 2014 As Chris and Scott stated I should have the flyer emailed and snail mailed out today or Friday.- I don't know why it's taken me so long this year. T hings have just been busy I guess.- =0A=0AAs just a quick piece of info t he basic details of the event are:=0A=0ADate:- Saturday June 7, 2014=0ALo cation:- Frazier Lake Airpark- 1C9 (near Hollister CA)=0A=0AOur host is Charlie Miller who is based at Frazier Lake.- =0A=0AMore to come in the coming days!=0A=0AMike Groah=0ATulare CA =0A414MV=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AOn Thurs day, March 13, 2014 6:18 AM, AircamperN11MS wrot eld@lacity.org>=0A=0AOscar,=0A=0AI also heard from Mike G last night.- He was confirming the final details for the flyer.- =0A=0APIREP from Lancas ter CA.- I gave a couple of rides over the past weekend.- On Saturday I took David Tracy, (yes Chris, your brother) and we flew for an hour or so with a bunch of fun stuff mixed in. dropping in on unsuspecting friends and such.- It was great fun. then Sunday I took up another Dave and we flew for about 0.8 hours.- Just flying around, no landing anywhere since he wa s so heavy.- He admitted to 244lbs.- He filled the whole front cockpit. - He is the heaviest person I have taken for a ride.- It was about 70 d egrees out and my airfield is at 2347 MSL.- The poor plane needed about 9 9% power to remain aloft.- I think the next flight will just be me so I c an remember what a joy it is to fly as a single seat plane.- Gotta do tha t every now and then. =0A=0AOscar, once you get to flying it again you may reconsider selling.- Don't be surprised if you do.- =0A=0ACheers everyo ne and go flying,=0A=0A--------=0AScott Liefeld=0AFlying N11MS since March 1972=0ASteel Tube=0AC-85-12=0AWire Wheels=0ABrodhead in 1996=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A Read this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php - - - - - - - - - - - - - -Matt Dralle, List Admi ===== ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 10:07:24 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: 85 years From: "taildrags" Well said, William. Besides having several other airplane and engine projects that I need to get busy on, part of the reason why I have decided to sell my Air Camper is to "preserve Pietenpols for someone else to discover". I see so many wannabes and lurkers on these lists with little more than a set of plans and a head full of dreams. It is almost beyond their grasp to imagine that they could somehow hold down a job, raise a family, pay the bills, and still glue sticks together into the shape of an airplane in the garage. They can scarcely afford to pay for their flight reviews and airman medicals, if they even have those yet. Renting a spam can just to go fly over some pretty countryside for an hour can set them back more than they pay for gas to drive to work, pick up and drop off the kids, buy groceries, and all the rest of it. Flying may be out of their grasp for many decades to come, if they even hold on to the dream that long. I want to find that one person who has the dream, and take them for a ride in my airplane. I'll know if it's the right person, the right fit. One of the best Piet pictures I have is one that I got from Don Emch, and it says everything that needs to be said about this. I never get tired of looking at this picture. See attached. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=420286#420286 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/done_piet2_197.jpg ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 10:43:26 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: 85 years From: "tools" I can get the stuff from Piet's hangar for display. We can also most likely go there for a group thingy, but from about 9 to 4, it's CLOBBERED with Kidventure, that at this point, ain't gonna change I doubt. They have quite a lot of momentum that prevents an entire change of venue at one time. Like most of airventure, it's volunteer based. I volunteered last year at Kid Venture as well, and it's a different sort of thing. Rather formal and proceduralized partially in the name of protecting kids. They got all upset with my son (who volunteered there as well) because he was wearing the WRONG volunteer shirt... both were given to him at the same time, and same place and were both red. The lettering was different... I'm telling ya, it ain't likely we're gonna get that whole thing to change, and it probably shouldn't although I REALLY think the area could be WAY better utilized. I just had no idea how big of an event the kid venture thing was until I worked over there. I also volunteer during the flying season flying out of Pioneer field. Getting permission to land there is a simple matter of getting an approval from Sean Elliot. However, NO flying other than helos during airventure. I do NOT know anything about the ultralight area, but it does have some appeal to a Piet in terms of an arrival. Different lower, slower, pattern. It's a venue where rides could possibly be given DURING airventure. I gotta say, from an observer's standpoint, those guys look like they're having FUN FUN FUN sun up to sun down. However, don't know about the feasibility of getting a plane from WW's place to there and back sort of thing, which pretty much relegates the Piets to displays for the main event. If anyone does know much about that area (and I think Greg Cardinal does), would love to hear about that. Back to Bernie's hangar. Since I work for Jim Casper, who runs Pioneer, I'd be happy to get the keys and arrange a behind the scenes tour of his hangar. I'm in there all summer long and I gotta say it's a GREAT resource as I build parts for my Piet with that only a few feet away. We'd probably have to do it after Kid Venture closes for the day, which is about when the airshow for the day starts, around 4. A group photo would be cool. Just got a call back from Jim, Dan owns most of Pioneer during Air Venture (he runs Kid Venture...) and he'll check with him and let me know for sure. So hopefully that'll be arranged in the next couple days. The hangar is open during the day, but I think after hours would be better as a private showing. Kinda hard for us to be behind the ropes will a million kids come to and fro... Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=420290#420290 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 11:23:12 AM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: 85 years Oscar, that's the best way - taking someone up in your Pietenpol and "hooking" them on it. Several years ago, I got an email from a Lurker on the list who lived in Raleigh (where I lived at the time), asking if he could meet me at the airport and take a look at my Pietenpol. I readily agreed to meet him the following Saturday morning. When we got to the airport I could tell from his questions that he was seriously interested in building a Pietenpol. We took plenty of time looking at the plane and I answered many questions. Then I suggested we go for a ride. It was one of those mornings you dream about. 100 mile visibility, no wind and air smooth as glass. We took off from Sanford, NC (KTTA) and headed north, over Jordan Lake. I let him fly it, and that was all it took. His name is Chuck Borsuk and he is now nearing completion of one of the nicest Pietenpols I've ever seen. When he finishes his and flies it to Brodhead for the first time, I'll feel that I've had a small hand in helping to pass on the legacy. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of taildrags Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2014 1:07 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: 85 years Well said, William. Besides having several other airplane and engine projects that I need to get busy on, part of the reason why I have decided to sell my Air Camper is to "preserve Pietenpols for someone else to discover". I see so many wannabes and lurkers on these lists with little more than a set of plans and a head full of dreams. It is almost beyond their grasp to imagine that they could somehow hold down a job, raise a family, pay the bills, and still glue sticks together into the shape of an airplane in the garage. They can scarcely afford to pay for their flight reviews and airman medicals, if they even have those yet. Renting a spam can just to go fly over some pretty countryside for an hour can set them back more than they pay for gas to drive to work, pick up and drop off the kids, buy groceries, and all the rest of it. Flying may be out of their grasp for many decades to come, if they even hold on to the dream that long. I want to find that one person who has the dream, and take them for a ride in my airplane. I'll know if it's the right person, the right fit. One of the best Piet pictures I have is one that I got from Don Emch, and it says everything that needs to be said about this. I never get tired of looking at this picture. See attached. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=420286#420286 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/done_piet2_197.jpg ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 12:57:38 PM PST US From: Kip and Beth Gardner Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: 85 years Said pic taken at Barber Airport, Alliance, OH, one of the 'greats' in grassroots aviation. Kip Gardner On Mar 13, 2014, at 1:06 PM, taildrags wrote: > > > > Well said, William. Besides having several other airplane and > engine projects that I need to get busy on, part of the reason why I > have decided to sell my Air Camper is to "preserve Pietenpols for > someone else to discover". I see so many wannabes and lurkers on > these lists with little more than a set of plans and a head full of > dreams. It is almost beyond their grasp to imagine that they could > somehow hold down a job, raise a family, pay the bills, and still > glue sticks together into the shape of an airplane in the garage. > They can scarcely afford to pay for their flight reviews and airman > medicals, if they even have those yet. Renting a spam can just to > go fly over some pretty countryside for an hour can set them back > more than they pay for gas to drive to work, pick up and drop off > the kids, buy groceries, and all the rest of it. Flying may be out > of their grasp for many decades to come, if they even hold on to the > dream that long. > > I want to find that one person who has the dream, and take them for > a ride in my airplane. I'll know if it's the right person, the > right fit. One of the best Piet pictures I have is one that I got > from Don Emch, and it says everything that needs to be said about > this. I never get tired of looking at this picture. See attached. > > -------- > Oscar Zuniga > Medford, OR > Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" > A75 power > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=420286#420286 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/done_piet2_197.jpg > > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 01:31:06 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: 85 years From: "nightmare" William: I read beer, funnel but no mention of the required 3/4 I.D. tubing. -------- Paul Donahue Started 8-3-12 do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=420299#420299 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/screenshots_2014_03_13_16_07_32_184.png ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 03:23:10 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: 85 years From: "William Wynne" Mr. Nightmare, Your observation of the missing link of the Beer-Funnel-Hose 'fire triangle' reveals you to be a bit of a pyromaniac, no? Wonderful, we have more of your kind in our camp. I myself have long been the designated driver at airshows, but was once a member in good standing of the congregation who faithfully tithe 10% of their income to the church of Anheuser-Busch. I could once recite the entire 1896 A.E. Housman poem "Terrance, this is stupid stuff" which includes the observation: "And malt does more than Milton can To justify God's ways to man. Ale, man, ale's the stuff to drink For fellows whom it hurts to think." We will be holding Corvair College #29 in Leesburg FL in two weeks; Our local host is an old friend who flew my Piet with me to Brodhead 2000. Arnold is the same man who was the local host of Corvair College#17 in 2010, a bit of a pyromaniac himself. You can see photos of #17 at this link: http://www.flycorvair.com/cc17.html Although we built and ran 20 engines, In the middle the photos show kegs of beer, a bon fire big enough to melt 10 corroded Corvair cases and a late night skeet contest with 12 gauges. Our feelings were hurt when several magazines refused the story, one editor writing back to say that I was the only person in aviation promoting the Alcohol-Firearms and Aircraft combination. My protests that I grew up with Pappy Boyington as a hero and that the editor had the critical sequence reversed, fell on deaf ears. Nightmare, be forewarned, Arnold and his gang could be at Oshkosh, and if you bring that hose, I cannot guarantee Walt-Disney behavior from our people. -ww ------------------------------------------------ PS: Only Colleges at Arnolds are like this, The ones hosted by Pietenpol Southern gentleman extraordinaire P.F. Beck and crew in SC are classy and refined. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=420301#420301 ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 03:30:06 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol article---Smithsonian Air & Space Magazine from 20 From: "giacummo" Watching the photographs of the piets the sentence that said something like "there are not two equals Piets"... look where the control cables come out in the first two Piets.. mine's are like the second one. ;o) regards. -------- Mario Giacummo Photos here: http://goo.gl/wh7M4 Little Blog : http://vgmk1.blogspot.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=420302#420302 ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 07:28:29 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol article---Smithsonian Air & Space Magazine from 20 From: "AircamperN11MS" Mario, You have a good eye. The blue airplane belongs to a friend of mine. It is a Grega GN-1. The second plane is a Piet. -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=420310#420310 ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 07:56:21 PM PST US From: "Dick N" Subject: Pietenpol-List: SNF Hey all I just want to let all of you dreamers know I am busy cutting up bulkheads for two sets of floats Dave Aldrich and I are going to build in the Wood Workshop at Sun n Fun on April 1-6 this year. If anyone wants to stop by and help or just BS we will be working some long days on this project. Dick N ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 08:07:19 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol article---Smithsonian Air & Space Magazine from 20 From: "taildrags" Scott: is it just me, or is the gap between the vertical stab and the rudder on Aircamper One-Six-Charlie-Bravo pretty wide? It looks wider than most. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=420313#420313 ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 08:11:06 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol article---Smithsonian Air & Space Magazine from 20 From: "AircamperN11MS" Oscar, Dad has a GN-1 also and the gap in his rudder looks a lot like the one you see. I think it is just one of those Grega trademarks. Dad put in foam gap seals on the rudder and elevator. -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=420314#420314 ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 08:11:52 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: SNF From: "tools" Oh... that's just mean. DETAILS! Piet floats? Wood floats? That just might entice me down there! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=420315#420315 ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 08:12:42 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: SNF From: "taildrags" Dick; I'm very interested! Please take pictures of the floats during the construction and I'll be happy to put them up on a website for myself and others to learn from. If these are the straight MukTuk-style floats, the plans leave it up to the builder to determine various things such as the locations for the strut/leg mounting pads, type and style of water rudder, rudder control cables, and a few other things. When I got my plans years ago, there weren't many prefab rudders available but nowadays there seem to be some that can be adapted from kayaks and other such craft. The MukTuk float plans are scaled up or down depending on the required displacement. Are the ones you'll be building scaled for the Air Camper's displacement? -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=420316#420316 ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 08:48:39 PM PST US From: "Dick N" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: SNF Oscar and Mike Yes these are the Muk Tuk floats. I will take a pic at least everyday, I will add one extra bulkhead and I have a lot to figure out yet.. Dick N. ----- Original Message ----- From: "taildrags" Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2014 10:12 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: SNF > > Dick; I'm very interested! Please take pictures of the floats during the > construction and I'll be happy to put them up on a website for myself and > others to learn from. If these are the straight MukTuk-style floats, the > plans leave it up to the builder to determine various things such as the > locations for the strut/leg mounting pads, type and style of water rudder, > rudder control cables, and a few other things. When I got my plans years > ago, there weren't many prefab rudders available but nowadays there seem > to be some that can be adapted from kayaks and other such craft. > > The MukTuk float plans are scaled up or down depending on the required > displacement. Are the ones you'll be building scaled for the Air Camper's > displacement? > > -------- > Oscar Zuniga > Medford, OR > Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" > A75 power > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=420316#420316 > > > ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 08:51:44 PM PST US From: Oscar Zuniga Subject: Pietenpol-List: Support the General Aviation Pilot Protection Act Please sign this petition=2C post it to your FB page=2C then send it to eve ry pilot you know!!! http://govt.eaa.org/14781/support-general-aviation-pilot-protection-act/?m =4503281 Oscar Zuniga Medford=2C OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 08:56:39 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: 85 years From: Joe Motis Thanks for a great article. Joe Motis On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 3:22 PM, William Wynne wrote: > > Mr. Nightmare, > > Your observation of the missing link of the Beer-Funnel-Hose 'fire > triangle' reveals you to be a bit of a pyromaniac, no? Wonderful, we have > more of your kind in our camp. I myself have long been the designated > driver at airshows, but was once a member in good standing of the > congregation who faithfully tithe 10% of their income to the church of > Anheuser-Busch. I could once recite the entire 1896 A.E. Housman poem > "Terrance, this is stupid stuff" which includes the observation: > > "And malt does more than Milton can > To justify God's ways to man. > Ale, man, ale's the stuff to drink > For fellows whom it hurts to think." > > We will be holding Corvair College #29 in Leesburg FL in two weeks; Our > local host is an old friend who flew my Piet with me to Brodhead 2000. > Arnold is the same man who was the local host of Corvair College#17 in > 2010, a bit of a pyromaniac himself. You can see photos of #17 at this link: > > http://www.flycorvair.com/cc17.html > > Although we built and ran 20 engines, In the middle the photos show kegs > of beer, a bon fire big enough to melt 10 corroded Corvair cases and a late > night skeet contest with 12 gauges. Our feelings were hurt when several > magazines refused the story, one editor writing back to say that I was the > only person in aviation promoting the Alcohol-Firearms and Aircraft > combination. My protests that I grew up with Pappy Boyington as a hero and > that the editor had the critical sequence reversed, fell on deaf ears. > > Nightmare, be forewarned, Arnold and his gang could be at Oshkosh, and if > you bring that hose, I cannot guarantee Walt-Disney behavior from our > people. -ww > > ------------------------------------------------ > > PS: Only Colleges at Arnolds are like this, The ones hosted by Pietenpol > Southern gentleman extraordinaire P.F. Beck and crew in SC are classy and > refined. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=420301#420301 > > ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 09:18:37 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: SNF From: "taildrags" Dick; probably everything you still need to figure out can be deduced by studying the attached photo. You'll get close enough, anyway. Water taxiing is all about where the step in the floats is placed relative to the CG, and the rest is pretty much figuring out the geometry of the mounting hardware. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=420324#420324 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/bush_float_planes_153.jpg ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 09:56:44 PM PST US From: "Chris" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: West Coast Piet fly-in 2014 Scott I was talking to my brother last night and he really enjoyed the flight. He said he really liked landing at your friends runways. He also said you're a good pilot. High praise from him. Thanks for making his move easier and more importantly finding him a hanger. Chris Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of AircamperN11MS Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2014 6:09 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: West Coast Piet fly-in 2014 --> Oscar, I also heard from Mike G last night. He was confirming the final details for the flyer. PIREP from Lancaster CA. I gave a couple of rides over the past weekend. On Saturday I took David Tracy, (yes Chris, your brother) and we flew for an hour or so with a bunch of fun stuff mixed in. dropping in on unsuspecting friends and such. It was great fun. then Sunday I took up another Dave and we flew for about 0.8 hours. Just flying around, no landing anywhere since he was so heavy. He admitted to 244lbs. He filled the whole front cockpit. He is the heaviest person I have taken for a ride. It was about 70 degrees out and my airfield is at 2347 MSL. The poor plane needed about 99% power to remain aloft. I think the next flight will just be me so I can remember what a joy it is to fly as a single seat plane. Gotta do that every now and then. Oscar, once you get to flying it again you may reconsider selling. Don't be surprised if you do. Cheers everyone and go flying, -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=420268#420268 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.