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1. 02:17 AM - Corvair Mounts (john francis)
2. 07:59 AM - Steel-tube fuselage update - Major Welding Completed...! (aerocarjake)
3. 09:36 AM - Re: Steel-tube fuselage update - Major Welding Completed...! (Barry Davis)
4. 11:07 AM - Re: Steel-tube fuselage update - Major Welding Completed...! (Jim Boyer)
5. 11:15 AM - Re: Elevator droop (Michael Weston)
6. 02:16 PM - Re: [Shaw Suspected Junk Email] Re: Re: Speaking of outdated stuff? Center section fuel tanks vs. n (Michael Perez)
7. 02:42 PM - More droopiness (danhelsper@aol.com)
8. 03:32 PM - Re: More droopiness (Jack Phillips)
9. 05:08 PM - Re: More droopiness (Gary Boothe)
10. 05:36 PM - Re: Corvair Mounts (Yahoo! Account Service)
11. 06:03 PM - Re: More droopiness (aviken)
12. 07:44 PM - Re: More droopiness (Greg Cardinal)
13. 08:09 PM - Re: Steel-tube fuselage update - Major Welding Completed...! (aerocarjake)
14. 08:15 PM - Re: Steel-tube fuselage update - Major Welding Completed...! (aerocarjake)
15. 10:20 PM - Re: More droopiness (Chris)
16. 10:47 PM - Re: More droopiness (jim hyde)
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My new wide body 24 1/2 mount is completed by WW. He made a second while he had the jig set up and will have it at Sun-n-Fun if anyone is interested. It is listed here. http://www.flycorvair.com/products.html, it is part number 4201C.
I elected to take delivery of my mount at Brodhead but if anyone in the Dayton,
OH area is traveling to Sun n Fun and can bring it back to Ohio, I would be grateful.
John
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John Francis
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| Subject: | Steel-tube fuselage update - Major Welding Completed...! |
Hello good Piet-ple,
Well, with one more full day of welding behind me I can report that the major fuselage
structure is complete.....!!!! Now there is still a LOT more to go, with
tabs, cable guides, more tabs, a few more things like the tailwheel spring
fittings, more tabs.... however, the MAJOR structure is welded. (insert smile
here...!)
You can see the "extra" cross piece at both wing strut attach fitting locations.
As I have said in other posts, this is not the ideal solution but the two tubes
should add enough strength in those areas to work just fine.
Glad to be enjoying this adventure. I appreciate the connection to many of you
on this list that are on a similar journey - and those who have completed a Pietenpol
and are enjoying the FLYING phase of your adventure...!!
Jake
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Jake Schultz - curator,
Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
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| Subject: | Steel-tube fuselage update - Major Welding Completed...! |
Looks Good
Barry
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of aerocarjake
Sent: Friday, March 28, 2014 10:51 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Steel-tube fuselage update - Major Welding
Completed...!
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Hello good Piet-ple,
Well, with one more full day of welding behind me I can report that the
major fuselage structure is complete.....!!!! Now there is still a LOT more
to go, with tabs, cable guides, more tabs, a few more things like the
tailwheel spring fittings, more tabs.... however, the MAJOR structure is
welded. (insert smile here...!)
You can see the "extra" cross piece at both wing strut attach fitting
locations. As I have said in other posts, this is not the ideal solution but
the two tubes should add enough strength in those areas to work just fine.
Glad to be enjoying this adventure. I appreciate the connection to many of
you on this list that are on a similar journey - and those who have
completed a Pietenpol and are enjoying the FLYING phase of your
adventure...!!
Jake
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Jake Schultz - curator,
Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
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| Subject: | Re: Steel-tube fuselage update - Major Welding Completed...! |
Hi Jake,
WOW; your fuselage is really looking great. Beautiful welding.
Jim B.
=C2-
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| Subject: | Re: Elevator droop |
if you look at the website"the vintage aviator" you will see inflight pics of a
fokker D-8 with exactly the same sort of droop on it's elevator. this is commonly
seen on parasol type aircraft, and is a product of the interaction between
the airflow coming off the trailing edge of the wing and the tail surfaces the
piet airfoil has an umcommonly high cruising lift coefficient closely related
to its large pitching moment. its a bit counterintuitive, you would think that
in order to counter the more than 900 foot pounds of torque twisting on the
wing at 80+ miles per hour that the elevator would be pointing up, but you don't
generally see that unless the "decalage" is off or a nose heavy condition
is present. this particular behavior is not by itself indicative of an aft of
C.G but it's not an excuse to be an idiot and ignore or ridicule william wynnes
heartfelt advice.just sayin.
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| Subject: | Re: Speaking of outdated |
stuff? Center section fuel tanks vs. n
HAAA! I hear you Clif. (Enter M.J. music here...)-=0A=0AIf God is your co
-pilot...switch seats.=0AMike Perez=0AKaretaker Aero=0ASTILL Building...=0A
=0A=0A =0AWe're so bad! :-)
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Here are a couple more.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
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I don't see any droop here, Dan. I see the illusion of droop, caused by the
outboard edge of the stabilizer not being in line with the outboard edge of
the elevator.
Look at a picture where the horizontal tail is edge-on to the camera. Droop
is an illusion, except for perhaps a slight amount due to the downwash from
the wing.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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Subject: Pietenpol-List: More droopiness
Here are a couple more.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
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Damn fine looking!!
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
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danhelsper@aol.com
Sent: Friday, March 28, 2014 2:34 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: More droopiness
Here are a couple more.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
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| Subject: | Re: Corvair Mounts |
John,
We have been at Sun N Fun since January. We will be kind of tight driving the van
home, but we may be able to get the mount in. If you don't get any other offers
we could do the job. We will be heading to our WV home around April 15. We
have bought a house in Miamisburg OH and will be heading there within a month
of heading north. I'm sure I will be seeing William during the show.
Skip
PS Anyone looking for a great airport home in North West WV please email me.
-----Original Message-----
>From: john francis <Mrkringles@msn.com>
>Sent: Mar 28, 2014 5:16 AM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Corvair Mounts
>
>
>My new wide body 24 1/2 mount is completed by WW. He made a second while he had the jig set up and will have it at Sun-n-Fun if anyone is interested. It is listed here. http://www.flycorvair.com/products.html, it is part number 4201C.
>
>I elected to take delivery of my mount at Brodhead but if anyone in the Dayton,
OH area is traveling to Sun n Fun and can bring it back to Ohio, I would be
grateful.
>
>John
>
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>John Francis
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>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=421192#421192
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: More droopiness |
Hey Dan, I don't care about the slight droop, it just means you have a stable
flight Ha. a little control pressure takes out some bumps. I have that beautiful
picture you sent me . It is going on the wall in my work-shop.
It will remind me what my goal is, and it will be something to point to when the
non-airplane folks ask me what a pietenpol looks like.
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| Subject: | Re: More droopiness |
A little droopiness is normal.
See attached photo of Bob Poore and me.
Greg Cardinal
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Sent: Friday, March 28, 2014 4:33 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: More droopiness
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Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
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| Subject: | Re: Steel-tube fuselage update - Major Welding Completed...! |
Thanks - appreciate it.......
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Jake Schultz - curator,
Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
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| Subject: | Re: Steel-tube fuselage update - Major Welding Completed...! |
Thanks Barry......
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Jake Schultz - curator,
Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
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Is this where this list has gone now? A bunch of old men talking about
droopiness.......
Well I think there is a pill that help with that.
Do not achieve..
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Greg
Cardinal
Sent: Friday, March 28, 2014 7:37 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: More droopiness
A little droopiness is normal.
See attached photo of Bob Poore and me.
Greg Cardinal
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Sent: Friday, March 28, 2014 4:33 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: More droopiness
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Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
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| Subject: | Re: More droopiness |
I don't think that the elevator is drooping the pilot is holding forward pr
essure on the stick because of cg, stab angle, or maybe a big fat pilot who
knows???=0AOn Saturday, March 29, 2014 12:27 AM, Chris <catdesigns@att.net
> wrote:=0A =0AIs this where this list has gone now?=C2- A bunch of old
men talking about droopiness....... =0A=C2-=0AWell =C2-I think there is
a pill that help with that.=0A=C2-=0ADo not achieve=0A
=C2-=0AFrom:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-piete
npol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Greg Cardinal=0ASent: Friday,
March 28, 2014 7:37 PM=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0ASubject: Re: Pi
etenpol-List: More droopiness=0A=C2-=0AA little droopiness is normal.=0AS
ee attached photo of Bob Poore and me.=0A=C2-=0AGreg Cardinal=0A----- Ori
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More droopiness=0A>=C2-=0A>Here are a couple more.=0A>=C2-=0A>Dan Hels
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