---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 03/28/14: 16 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:17 AM - Corvair Mounts (john francis) 2. 07:59 AM - Steel-tube fuselage update - Major Welding Completed...! (aerocarjake) 3. 09:36 AM - Re: Steel-tube fuselage update - Major Welding Completed...! (Barry Davis) 4. 11:07 AM - Re: Steel-tube fuselage update - Major Welding Completed...! (Jim Boyer) 5. 11:15 AM - Re: Elevator droop (Michael Weston) 6. 02:16 PM - Re: [Shaw Suspected Junk Email] Re: Re: Speaking of outdated stuff? Center section fuel tanks vs. n (Michael Perez) 7. 02:42 PM - More droopiness (danhelsper@aol.com) 8. 03:32 PM - Re: More droopiness (Jack Phillips) 9. 05:08 PM - Re: More droopiness (Gary Boothe) 10. 05:36 PM - Re: Corvair Mounts (Yahoo! Account Service) 11. 06:03 PM - Re: More droopiness (aviken) 12. 07:44 PM - Re: More droopiness (Greg Cardinal) 13. 08:09 PM - Re: Steel-tube fuselage update - Major Welding Completed...! (aerocarjake) 14. 08:15 PM - Re: Steel-tube fuselage update - Major Welding Completed...! (aerocarjake) 15. 10:20 PM - Re: More droopiness (Chris) 16. 10:47 PM - Re: More droopiness (jim hyde) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:17:21 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Corvair Mounts From: "john francis" My new wide body 24 1/2 mount is completed by WW. He made a second while he had the jig set up and will have it at Sun-n-Fun if anyone is interested. It is listed here. http://www.flycorvair.com/products.html, it is part number 4201C. I elected to take delivery of my mount at Brodhead but if anyone in the Dayton, OH area is traveling to Sun n Fun and can bring it back to Ohio, I would be grateful. John -------- John Francis Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=421192#421192 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:59:15 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Steel-tube fuselage update - Major Welding Completed...! From: "aerocarjake" Hello good Piet-ple, Well, with one more full day of welding behind me I can report that the major fuselage structure is complete.....!!!! Now there is still a LOT more to go, with tabs, cable guides, more tabs, a few more things like the tailwheel spring fittings, more tabs.... however, the MAJOR structure is welded. (insert smile here...!) You can see the "extra" cross piece at both wing strut attach fitting locations. As I have said in other posts, this is not the ideal solution but the two tubes should add enough strength in those areas to work just fine. Glad to be enjoying this adventure. I appreciate the connection to many of you on this list that are on a similar journey - and those who have completed a Pietenpol and are enjoying the FLYING phase of your adventure...!! Jake -------- Jake Schultz - curator, Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=421198#421198 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/_fuselage_welded_1_170.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/_fuselage_welded_2_107.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/_fuselage_welded_3_136.jpg ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 09:36:21 AM PST US From: "Barry Davis" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Steel-tube fuselage update - Major Welding Completed...! Looks Good Barry -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of aerocarjake Sent: Friday, March 28, 2014 10:51 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Steel-tube fuselage update - Major Welding Completed...! --> Hello good Piet-ple, Well, with one more full day of welding behind me I can report that the major fuselage structure is complete.....!!!! Now there is still a LOT more to go, with tabs, cable guides, more tabs, a few more things like the tailwheel spring fittings, more tabs.... however, the MAJOR structure is welded. (insert smile here...!) You can see the "extra" cross piece at both wing strut attach fitting locations. As I have said in other posts, this is not the ideal solution but the two tubes should add enough strength in those areas to work just fine. Glad to be enjoying this adventure. I appreciate the connection to many of you on this list that are on a similar journey - and those who have completed a Pietenpol and are enjoying the FLYING phase of your adventure...!! Jake -------- Jake Schultz - curator, Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=421198#421198 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/_fuselage_welded_1_170.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/_fuselage_welded_2_107.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/_fuselage_welded_3_136.jpg ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 11:07:42 AM PST US From: Jim Boyer Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Steel-tube fuselage update - Major Welding Completed...! Hi Jake, WOW; your fuselage is really looking great. Beautiful welding. Jim B. =C2- ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 11:15:36 AM PST US From: Michael Weston Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Elevator droop if you look at the website"the vintage aviator" you will see inflight pics of a fokker D-8 with exactly the same sort of droop on it's elevator. this is commonly seen on parasol type aircraft, and is a product of the interaction between the airflow coming off the trailing edge of the wing and the tail surfaces the piet airfoil has an umcommonly high cruising lift coefficient closely related to its large pitching moment. its a bit counterintuitive, you would think that in order to counter the more than 900 foot pounds of torque twisting on the wing at 80+ miles per hour that the elevator would be pointing up, but you don't generally see that unless the "decalage" is off or a nose heavy condition is present. this particular behavior is not by itself indicative of an aft of C.G but it's not an excuse to be an idiot and ignore or ridicule william wynnes heartfelt advice.just sayin. ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 02:16:20 PM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: [Shaw Suspected Junk Email] Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Speaking of outdated stuff? Center section fuel tanks vs. n HAAA! I hear you Clif. (Enter M.J. music here...)-=0A=0AIf God is your co -pilot...switch seats.=0AMike Perez=0AKaretaker Aero=0ASTILL Building...=0A =0A=0A =0AWe're so bad! :-) ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 02:42:45 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: More droopiness From: danhelsper@aol.com Here are a couple more. Dan Helsper Puryear, TN ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 03:32:35 PM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: More droopiness I don't see any droop here, Dan. I see the illusion of droop, caused by the outboard edge of the stabilizer not being in line with the outboard edge of the elevator. Look at a picture where the horizontal tail is edge-on to the camera. Droop is an illusion, except for perhaps a slight amount due to the downwash from the wing. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of danhelsper@aol.com Sent: Friday, March 28, 2014 5:34 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: More droopiness Here are a couple more. Dan Helsper Puryear, TN ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 05:08:40 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: More droopiness Damn fine looking!! Gary Boothe NX308MB From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of danhelsper@aol.com Sent: Friday, March 28, 2014 2:34 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: More droopiness Here are a couple more. Dan Helsper Puryear, TN ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 05:36:40 PM PST US From: Yahoo! Account Service Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Corvair Mounts John, We have been at Sun N Fun since January. We will be kind of tight driving the van home, but we may be able to get the mount in. If you don't get any other offers we could do the job. We will be heading to our WV home around April 15. We have bought a house in Miamisburg OH and will be heading there within a month of heading north. I'm sure I will be seeing William during the show. Skip PS Anyone looking for a great airport home in North West WV please email me. -----Original Message----- >From: john francis >Sent: Mar 28, 2014 5:16 AM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Corvair Mounts > > >My new wide body 24 1/2 mount is completed by WW. He made a second while he had the jig set up and will have it at Sun-n-Fun if anyone is interested. It is listed here. http://www.flycorvair.com/products.html, it is part number 4201C. > >I elected to take delivery of my mount at Brodhead but if anyone in the Dayton, OH area is traveling to Sun n Fun and can bring it back to Ohio, I would be grateful. > >John > >-------- >John Francis > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=421192#421192 > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 06:03:04 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: More droopiness From: "aviken" Hey Dan, I don't care about the slight droop, it just means you have a stable flight Ha. a little control pressure takes out some bumps. I have that beautiful picture you sent me . It is going on the wall in my work-shop. It will remind me what my goal is, and it will be something to point to when the non-airplane folks ask me what a pietenpol looks like. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=421221#421221 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 07:44:26 PM PST US From: "Greg Cardinal" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: More droopiness A little droopiness is normal. See attached photo of Bob Poore and me. Greg Cardinal ----- Original Message ----- From: danhelsper@aol.com To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, March 28, 2014 4:33 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: More droopiness Here are a couple more. Dan Helsper Puryear, TN --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protec tion is active. http://www.avast.com ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 08:09:05 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Steel-tube fuselage update - Major Welding Completed...! From: "aerocarjake" Thanks - appreciate it....... -------- Jake Schultz - curator, Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=421228#421228 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 08:15:51 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Steel-tube fuselage update - Major Welding Completed...! From: "aerocarjake" Thanks Barry...... -------- Jake Schultz - curator, Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=421229#421229 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 10:20:44 PM PST US From: "Chris" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: More droopiness Is this where this list has gone now? A bunch of old men talking about droopiness....... Well I think there is a pill that help with that. Do not achieve.. From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Greg Cardinal Sent: Friday, March 28, 2014 7:37 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: More droopiness A little droopiness is normal. See attached photo of Bob Poore and me. Greg Cardinal ----- Original Message ----- From: danhelsper@aol.com Sent: Friday, March 28, 2014 4:33 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: More droopiness Here are a couple more. Dan Helsper Puryear, TN _____ This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 10:47:16 PM PST US From: jim hyde Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: More droopiness I don't think that the elevator is drooping the pilot is holding forward pr essure on the stick because of cg, stab angle, or maybe a big fat pilot who knows???=0AOn Saturday, March 29, 2014 12:27 AM, Chris wrote:=0A =0AIs this where this list has gone now?=C2- A bunch of old men talking about droopiness....... =0A=C2-=0AWell =C2-I think there is a pill that help with that.=0A=C2-=0ADo not achieve=0A =C2-=0AFrom:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-piete npol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Greg Cardinal=0ASent: Friday, March 28, 2014 7:37 PM=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0ASubject: Re: Pi etenpol-List: More droopiness=0A=C2-=0AA little droopiness is normal.=0AS ee attached photo of Bob Poore and me.=0A=C2-=0AGreg Cardinal=0A----- Ori ginal Message ----- =0A>From:danhelsper@aol.com =0A>To:pietenpol-list@matro nics.com =0A>Sent:Friday, March 28, 2014 4:33 PM=0A>Subject:Pietenpol-List: More droopiness=0A>=C2-=0A>Here are a couple more.=0A>=C2-=0A>Dan Hels per=0A>Puryear, TN=0A=C2-=0A=0A________________________________=0A=0A Thi s email is free from viruses and malware because avast! 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