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1. 04:43 AM - Re: More droopiness (womenfly2)
2. 05:19 AM - Re: More droopiness (danhelsper@aol.com)
3. 06:04 AM - Re: More droopiness (Gary Boothe)
4. 06:45 AM - Re: More droopiness (pineymb)
5. 06:55 AM - Rivet Substiution - Wooden Gear (Brian C-FAUK)
6. 07:10 AM - Re: Re: More droopiness (Marcus Zechini)
7. 08:50 AM - Re: More droopiness (tools)
8. 09:26 AM - Re: More droopiness (taildrags)
9. 09:34 AM - Re: Re: More droopiness (Marcus Zechini)
10. 10:00 AM - Re: Corvair Mounts (john francis)
11. 12:02 PM - looking for a cover photo (Oscar Zuniga)
12. 03:21 PM - Piet project for sale? (TOM MICHELLE BRANT)
13. 08:12 PM - Re: Re: More droopiness (jim hyde)
14. 09:16 PM - Re: Piet project for sale? (jim hyde)
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| Subject: | Re: More droopiness |
The slightly down elevator is its normal position in level flight. This due to
the down pressure of the moving air cylinder coming off the wing an applying a
slight pressure force of downward moving air on the top of the elevator.
WF2
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| Subject: | Re: More droopiness |
OK....I guess.....either that or its from my fat, like Mr. Hyde said. Why d
oes somebody always have to bring that sensitive subject up?
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: Jack Phillips <jack@bedfordlandings.com>
Sent: Fri, Mar 28, 2014 5:33 pm
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: More droopiness
I don=99t see any droop here,Dan. I see the illusion of droop, cause
d by the outboard edge of thestabilizer not being in line with the outboard
edge of the elevator.
Look at a picture where the horizontal tailis edge-on to the camera. Droop
is an illusion, except for perhaps aslight amount due to the downwash from
the wing.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
From:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-
server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of danhelsper@aol.com
Sent: Friday, March 28, 2014 5:34PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Moredroopiness
Here are a couple more.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
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| Subject: | Re: More droopiness |
Hurry up and finish your Piet, so that you're not one of us old men talking a
bout droopiness...
Gary
NX308MB
Sent from my iPhone
> On Mar 28, 2014, at 10:20 PM, "Chris" <catdesigns@att.net> wrote:
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> Is this where this list has gone now? A bunch of old men talking about dr
oopiness.......
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> Well I think there is a pill that help with that.
>
> Do not achieve
>
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-li
st-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Greg Cardinal
> Sent: Friday, March 28, 2014 7:37 PM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: More droopiness
>
> A little droopiness is normal.
> See attached photo of Bob Poore and me.
>
> Greg Cardinal
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: danhelsper@aol.com
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Friday, March 28, 2014 4:33 PM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: More droopiness
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> Here are a couple more.
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> Dan Helsper
> Puryear, TN
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| Subject: | Re: More droopiness |
And still more droopiness
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Adrian M
Winnipeg, MB
Canada
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| Subject: | Rivet Substiution - Wooden Gear |
When I built my wooden gear I didn't feel comfortable with putting rivets through
the metal plates at the crouch of the vee. I used number 8 fillister head
(countersunk) AN509 machine screws. This made the head flush on the outside
but needed a protruding screw end and nut on the inside plate. I found over time
that the protruding nut would cut into the shock cord. To solve this problem
I tried an unconventional use of some hardware. I countered bored from the inside
slightly and countersunk the inside plate and used a NAS1330A08-106 countersunk
rivet nut. In case you are confused I didn't pull these rivet nuts I just
used then as they came. A flush nut so to speak.
You can use keyed nuts and cut a slot in the face of the counter sunk hole and
then some lock tight. Alternatively what I did was epoxied the nuts and screws
into position as I tighten them up.
So once completed you have a fastener that is flush on both the inside and outside
and the shock cord likes it.
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Brian Kenney
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| Subject: | Re: More droopiness |
fattest pilot?
On Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 9:43 AM, pineymb <airltd@mts.net> wrote:
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> And still more droopiness
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> Adrian M
> Winnipeg, MB
> Canada
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=421244#421244
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| Subject: | Re: More droopiness |
Maybe it's just me... but isn't the only real factor affecting elevator position
in level flight, the speed?
My piet has a pronounced up elevator position... in the flare. Does every time.
Pretty sure EVERY piet would have a certain speed where the elevator would
be in a neutral position. All these pics are likely taken at different speeds,
meaning the elevators would be in different positions.
Isn't it really just that simple?
Now, if your elevators are somewhat down, and the plane is in trim (no control
stick pressure), and this bothers you (since the elevators are not faired, there
will be more drag than necessary, so you'll be somewhat slower - maybe not
even noticable), you either change the wing incidence, or the horiz stab incidence
to take that out. It's a simple matter of rig. Which you do (the stab or
wing) is also a matter of rig, and should be based on keeping the fuse angle
of attack at a minimum to reduce frontal area, and decreasing drag.
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| Subject: | Re: More droopiness |
Is it just me (or the photo), or is Three-One-Lima-Alpha one long-legged airplane?
It just looks like the main gear legs are longer than most. (Not being critical,
by the way... long legs can be attractive).
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| Subject: | Re: More droopiness |
it might be my sticking the pic into PC Paint and wrecking aspect ratio...
those are off-the-shelf J-3 gear.... I have 2 new ones at home that I am
covering....practice for building a whole Piet...in the way distant
(retired) future.
On Mar 29, 2014 11:28 AM, "taildrags" <taildrags@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> Is it just me (or the photo), or is Three-One-Lima-Alpha one long-legged
> airplane? It just looks like the main gear legs are longer than most.
> (Not being critical, by the way... long legs can be attractive).
>
> --------
> Oscar Zuniga
> Medford, OR
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> A75 power
>
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> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=421255#421255
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| Subject: | Re: Corvair Mounts |
Thanks Skip, thatll work for me. Ill let WW know to expect you.
John
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| Subject: | looking for a cover photo |
Pieters=3B
As many of you know=2C we (Contact! Magazine) will be producing an all-Piet
issue to coincide with the 85th anniversary of the Air Camper this year.
We're looking for a cover photo=2C preferably air-to-air=2C of a Ford A pow
ered Piet. Wire spoked wheels will be heavily preferred.
Please go through your photos and send me any candidates that you'd like to
have considered for this special issue of the magazine. Editor Pat Panzer
a plans to attend the dinner at Brodhead this year and I'm sure he'll be ha
nd-carrying plenty of copies of the magazine. Subscribers will have alread
y gotten theirs by then.
For a superb example of what we're looking for=2C look no further than the
Jon Apfelbaum photo of Dan Helsper's airplane that he just posted under the
topic "More droopiness". It was the October 2012 calendar page from an EA
A publication.
I sure hope Jon has more of his Piet photos and would consider sending a co
uple. Send to taildrags(at)Hotmail.com or editor(at)contactmagazine.com
Thanks.
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| Subject: | Piet project for sale? |
Strongly considering selling my Piet project if there is interest. Sale is due
to having kids and priorities changing over the last 8 years. Since then, and
at least for another 5 or so years, there will be no time to work on it, let
alone money.
Basically have all components for the airframe less hardware and covering materials.
Fuselage is 85% complete (long version)
End spinach is complete less sanding and finish
All ribs complete
Wing spars
Carlson aircraft struts
4 foot center section about 60% complete
All steel, including tubing for landing gear
Turnbuckles and cable
Altimeter
Drawings, corvair books, manuals, etc
Probably a few more miscellaneous items that I can't think of.
Have about $3000 invested but open to offers if there is interest.
Email me at tab1324@gmail.com if interested please.
Project is located in suburb of Minneapolis, mn.
It's more important to me that this thing fly some day than it is that it is me
who finishes it. So please, if you have interest, let me know.
Tom Brant
Sent from my iPad
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| Subject: | Re: More droopiness |
I didn't know that that being critical is not acceptable...I thought it was
perfectly ok. if its not ok my question would be why it aint ok.=0A=0Ahyde
=0AOn Saturday, March 29, 2014 11:39 AM, Marcus Zechini <marcus.zechini@gma
il.com> wrote:=0A =0Ait might be my sticking the pic into PC Paint and wre
cking aspect ratio... those are off-the-shelf J-3 gear.... I have 2 new one
s at home that I am covering....practice for building a whole Piet...in the
way distant (retired) future. =0AOn Mar 29, 2014 11:28 AM, "taildrags" <ta
ldrags" <taildrags@hotmail.com>=0A>=0A>Is it just me (or the photo), or is
Three-One-Lima-Alpha one long-legged airplane? -It just looks like the ma
in gear legs are longer than most. -(Not being critical, by the way... lo
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=0A>Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"=0A>A75 power=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>Read this top
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| Subject: | Re: Piet project for sale? |
well are u going to sell it or not ??=0A=0Ahyde=0AOn Saturday, March 29, 20
14 5:39 PM, TOM MICHELLE BRANT <tmbrant@msn.com> wrote:=0A =0A--> Pietenpo
l-List message posted by: TOM MICHELLE BRANT <tmbrant@msn.com>=0A=0AStrongl
y considering selling my Piet project if there is interest.- Sale is due
to having kids and priorities changing over the last 8 years.- Since then
, and at least for another 5 or so years, there will be no time to work on
it, let alone money.=0A=0ABasically have all components for the airframe le
ss hardware and covering materials.=0A=0AFuselage is 85% complete (long ver
sion)=0AEnd spinach is complete less sanding and finish=0AAll ribs complete
=0AWing spars=0ACarlson aircraft struts=0A4 foot center section about 60% c
omplete=0AAll steel, including tubing for landing gear=0ATurnbuckles and ca
ble=0AAltimeter=0ADrawings, corvair books, manuals, etc=0AProbably a few mo
re miscellaneous items that I can't think of.=0A=0AHave about $3000 investe
d but open to offers if there is interest.=0A=0AEmail me at tab1324@gmail.c
om if interested please.=0A=0AProject is located in suburb of Minneapolis,
mn.=0A=0AIt's more important to me that this thing fly some day than it is
that it is me who finishes it.- So please, if you have interest, let me k
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