---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 03/29/14: 14 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:43 AM - Re: More droopiness (womenfly2) 2. 05:19 AM - Re: More droopiness (danhelsper@aol.com) 3. 06:04 AM - Re: More droopiness (Gary Boothe) 4. 06:45 AM - Re: More droopiness (pineymb) 5. 06:55 AM - Rivet Substiution - Wooden Gear (Brian C-FAUK) 6. 07:10 AM - Re: Re: More droopiness (Marcus Zechini) 7. 08:50 AM - Re: More droopiness (tools) 8. 09:26 AM - Re: More droopiness (taildrags) 9. 09:34 AM - Re: Re: More droopiness (Marcus Zechini) 10. 10:00 AM - Re: Corvair Mounts (john francis) 11. 12:02 PM - looking for a cover photo (Oscar Zuniga) 12. 03:21 PM - Piet project for sale? (TOM MICHELLE BRANT) 13. 08:12 PM - Re: Re: More droopiness (jim hyde) 14. 09:16 PM - Re: Piet project for sale? (jim hyde) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:43:31 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: More droopiness From: "womenfly2" The slightly down elevator is its normal position in level flight. This due to the down pressure of the moving air cylinder coming off the wing an applying a slight pressure force of downward moving air on the top of the elevator. WF2 -------- Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=421239#421239 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:19:20 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: More droopiness From: danhelsper@aol.com OK....I guess.....either that or its from my fat, like Mr. Hyde said. Why d oes somebody always have to bring that sensitive subject up? Dan Helsper Puryear, TN -----Original Message----- From: Jack Phillips Sent: Fri, Mar 28, 2014 5:33 pm Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: More droopiness I don=99t see any droop here,Dan. I see the illusion of droop, cause d by the outboard edge of thestabilizer not being in line with the outboard edge of the elevator. Look at a picture where the horizontal tailis edge-on to the camera. Droop is an illusion, except for perhaps aslight amount due to the downwash from the wing. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia From:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list- server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of danhelsper@aol.com Sent: Friday, March 28, 2014 5:34PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Moredroopiness Here are a couple more. Dan Helsper Puryear, TN ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:04:23 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: More droopiness From: Gary Boothe Hurry up and finish your Piet, so that you're not one of us old men talking a bout droopiness... Gary NX308MB Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 28, 2014, at 10:20 PM, "Chris" wrote: > > Is this where this list has gone now? A bunch of old men talking about dr oopiness....... > > Well I think there is a pill that help with that. > > Do not achieve > > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-li st-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Greg Cardinal > Sent: Friday, March 28, 2014 7:37 PM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: More droopiness > > A little droopiness is normal. > See attached photo of Bob Poore and me. > > Greg Cardinal > ----- Original Message ----- > From: danhelsper@aol.com > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Sent: Friday, March 28, 2014 4:33 PM > Subject: Pietenpol-List: More droopiness > > Here are a couple more. > > Dan Helsper > Puryear, TN > > > <~WRD000.jpg> > This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus prote ction is active. > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:45:10 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: More droopiness From: "pineymb" And still more droopiness -------- Adrian M Winnipeg, MB Canada Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=421244#421244 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/adrian_and_debbie_flying_7_200.jpg ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:55:51 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Rivet Substiution - Wooden Gear From: "Brian C-FAUK" When I built my wooden gear I didn't feel comfortable with putting rivets through the metal plates at the crouch of the vee. I used number 8 fillister head (countersunk) AN509 machine screws. This made the head flush on the outside but needed a protruding screw end and nut on the inside plate. I found over time that the protruding nut would cut into the shock cord. To solve this problem I tried an unconventional use of some hardware. I countered bored from the inside slightly and countersunk the inside plate and used a NAS1330A08-106 countersunk rivet nut. In case you are confused I didn't pull these rivet nuts I just used then as they came. A flush nut so to speak. You can use keyed nuts and cut a slot in the face of the counter sunk hole and then some lock tight. Alternatively what I did was epoxied the nuts and screws into position as I tighten them up. So once completed you have a fastener that is flush on both the inside and outside and the shock cord likes it. -------- Brian Kenney Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=421245#421245 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:10:14 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: More droopiness From: Marcus Zechini fattest pilot? On Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 9:43 AM, pineymb wrote: > > And still more droopiness > > -------- > Adrian M > Winnipeg, MB > Canada > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=421244#421244 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/adrian_and_debbie_flying_7_200.jpg > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:50:10 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: More droopiness From: "tools" Maybe it's just me... but isn't the only real factor affecting elevator position in level flight, the speed? My piet has a pronounced up elevator position... in the flare. Does every time. Pretty sure EVERY piet would have a certain speed where the elevator would be in a neutral position. All these pics are likely taken at different speeds, meaning the elevators would be in different positions. Isn't it really just that simple? Now, if your elevators are somewhat down, and the plane is in trim (no control stick pressure), and this bothers you (since the elevators are not faired, there will be more drag than necessary, so you'll be somewhat slower - maybe not even noticable), you either change the wing incidence, or the horiz stab incidence to take that out. It's a simple matter of rig. Which you do (the stab or wing) is also a matter of rig, and should be based on keeping the fuse angle of attack at a minimum to reduce frontal area, and decreasing drag. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=421249#421249 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:26:56 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: More droopiness From: "taildrags" Is it just me (or the photo), or is Three-One-Lima-Alpha one long-legged airplane? It just looks like the main gear legs are longer than most. (Not being critical, by the way... long legs can be attractive). -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=421255#421255 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:34:59 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: More droopiness From: Marcus Zechini it might be my sticking the pic into PC Paint and wrecking aspect ratio... those are off-the-shelf J-3 gear.... I have 2 new ones at home that I am covering....practice for building a whole Piet...in the way distant (retired) future. On Mar 29, 2014 11:28 AM, "taildrags" wrote: > > Is it just me (or the photo), or is Three-One-Lima-Alpha one long-legged > airplane? It just looks like the main gear legs are longer than most. > (Not being critical, by the way... long legs can be attractive). > > -------- > Oscar Zuniga > Medford, OR > Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" > A75 power > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=421255#421255 > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:00:16 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair Mounts From: "john francis" Thanks Skip, thatll work for me. Ill let WW know to expect you. John -------- John Francis Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=421258#421258 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 12:02:21 PM PST US From: Oscar Zuniga Subject: Pietenpol-List: looking for a cover photo Pieters=3B As many of you know=2C we (Contact! Magazine) will be producing an all-Piet issue to coincide with the 85th anniversary of the Air Camper this year. We're looking for a cover photo=2C preferably air-to-air=2C of a Ford A pow ered Piet. Wire spoked wheels will be heavily preferred. Please go through your photos and send me any candidates that you'd like to have considered for this special issue of the magazine. Editor Pat Panzer a plans to attend the dinner at Brodhead this year and I'm sure he'll be ha nd-carrying plenty of copies of the magazine. Subscribers will have alread y gotten theirs by then. For a superb example of what we're looking for=2C look no further than the Jon Apfelbaum photo of Dan Helsper's airplane that he just posted under the topic "More droopiness". It was the October 2012 calendar page from an EA A publication. I sure hope Jon has more of his Piet photos and would consider sending a co uple. Send to taildrags(at)Hotmail.com or editor(at)contactmagazine.com Thanks. ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 03:21:20 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet project for sale? From: TOM MICHELLE BRANT Strongly considering selling my Piet project if there is interest. Sale is due to having kids and priorities changing over the last 8 years. Since then, and at least for another 5 or so years, there will be no time to work on it, let alone money. Basically have all components for the airframe less hardware and covering materials. Fuselage is 85% complete (long version) End spinach is complete less sanding and finish All ribs complete Wing spars Carlson aircraft struts 4 foot center section about 60% complete All steel, including tubing for landing gear Turnbuckles and cable Altimeter Drawings, corvair books, manuals, etc Probably a few more miscellaneous items that I can't think of. Have about $3000 invested but open to offers if there is interest. Email me at tab1324@gmail.com if interested please. Project is located in suburb of Minneapolis, mn. It's more important to me that this thing fly some day than it is that it is me who finishes it. So please, if you have interest, let me know. Tom Brant Sent from my iPad ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 08:12:37 PM PST US From: jim hyde Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: More droopiness I didn't know that that being critical is not acceptable...I thought it was perfectly ok. if its not ok my question would be why it aint ok.=0A=0Ahyde =0AOn Saturday, March 29, 2014 11:39 AM, Marcus Zechini wrote:=0A =0Ait might be my sticking the pic into PC Paint and wre cking aspect ratio... those are off-the-shelf J-3 gear.... I have 2 new one s at home that I am covering....practice for building a whole Piet...in the way distant (retired) future. =0AOn Mar 29, 2014 11:28 AM, "taildrags" =0A>=0A>Is it just me (or the photo), or is Three-One-Lima-Alpha one long-legged airplane? -It just looks like the ma in gear legs are longer than most. -(Not being critical, by the way... lo ng legs can be attractive).=0A>=0A>--------=0A>Oscar Zuniga=0A>Medford, OR =0A>Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"=0A>A75 power=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>Read this top ic online here:=0A>=0A>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=421255 #421255=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>============0A >st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List=0A >============0A>http://forums.matronics.com=0A>== ==========0A>le, List Admin.=0A>="_blank">http://www.ma tronics.com/contribution=0A>============0A>=0A>=0A> ================= ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 09:16:14 PM PST US From: jim hyde Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piet project for sale? well are u going to sell it or not ??=0A=0Ahyde=0AOn Saturday, March 29, 20 14 5:39 PM, TOM MICHELLE BRANT wrote:=0A =0A--> Pietenpo l-List message posted by: TOM MICHELLE BRANT =0A=0AStrongl y considering selling my Piet project if there is interest.- Sale is due to having kids and priorities changing over the last 8 years.- Since then , and at least for another 5 or so years, there will be no time to work on it, let alone money.=0A=0ABasically have all components for the airframe le ss hardware and covering materials.=0A=0AFuselage is 85% complete (long ver sion)=0AEnd spinach is complete less sanding and finish=0AAll ribs complete =0AWing spars=0ACarlson aircraft struts=0A4 foot center section about 60% c omplete=0AAll steel, including tubing for landing gear=0ATurnbuckles and ca ble=0AAltimeter=0ADrawings, corvair books, manuals, etc=0AProbably a few mo re miscellaneous items that I can't think of.=0A=0AHave about $3000 investe d but open to offers if there is interest.=0A=0AEmail me at tab1324@gmail.c om if interested please.=0A=0AProject is located in suburb of Minneapolis, mn.=0A=0AIt's more important to me that this thing fly some day than it is that it is me who finishes it.- So please, if you have interest, let me k ========= ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.