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1. 04:08 AM - Re: poor man's metal stamping (womenfly2)
2. 04:52 AM - Re: giblets (larharris2 Harris)
3. 05:19 AM - Re: Re: giblets (Jack Phillips)
4. 05:43 AM - An all sheet-metal Pietenpol design...? (aerocarjake)
5. 05:59 AM - Joseph Jameson's Corvair engine runs (William Wynne)
6. 06:29 AM - Re: giblets (Ralph)
7. 07:50 AM - Re: An all sheet-metal Pietenpol design...? (Steven Dortch)
8. 07:55 AM - Re: An all sheet-metal Pietenpol design...? (AircamperN11MS)
9. 08:07 AM - Re: giblets (AircamperN11MS)
10. 08:16 AM - Re: An all sheet-metal Pietenpol design...? (aerocarjake)
11. 08:21 AM - Re: An all sheet-metal Pietenpol design...? (AircamperN11MS)
12. 08:22 AM - Re: Re: An all sheet-metal Pietenpol design...? (Steven Dortch)
13. 08:23 AM - Re: Re: giblets (earthlink1)
14. 08:26 AM - Re: An all sheet-metal Pietenpol design...? (William Wynne)
15. 08:42 AM - Re: Re: giblets (Jack Phillips)
16. 09:23 AM - Re: An all sheet-metal Pietenpol design...? (aerocarjake)
17. 09:32 AM - Re: An all sheet-metal Pietenpol design...? (William Wynne)
18. 09:35 AM - GoPro test (TriScout)
19. 09:54 AM - Re: An all sheet-metal Pietenpol design...? (aerocarjake)
20. 10:07 AM - mylar covered Jenny (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC])
21. 10:22 AM - Re: Re: An all sheet-metal Pietenpol design...? (Jack)
22. 12:00 PM - Re: An all sheet-metal Pietenpol design...? (William Wynne)
23. 12:50 PM - Re: mylar covered Jenny (Steven Dortch)
24. 03:21 PM - Re: All sideways on the Western front (tools)
25. 03:23 PM - Re: poor man's metal stamping (danhelsper@aol.com)
26. 03:31 PM - Re: An all sheet-metal Pietenpol design...? (danhelsper@aol.com)
27. 03:32 PM - Re: Re: All sideways on the Western front (Boatright, Jeffrey)
28. 03:47 PM - Re: An all sheet-metal Pietenpol design...? (aerocarjake)
29. 05:23 PM - Re: Re: An all sheet-metal Pietenpol design...? (danhelsper@aol.com)
30. 05:38 PM - Re: An all sheet-metal Pietenpol design...? (aerocarjake)
31. 06:14 PM - Re: mylar covered Jenny (Baldeagle)
32. 09:55 PM - Information resource - Sun n Fun (William Wynne)
33. 11:01 PM - Official Pietenpol-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) (Matt Dralle)
34. 11:06 PM - Official Pietenpol-List Usage Guidelines (Matt Dralle)
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Subject: | Re: poor man's metal stamping |
Learn to use an English Wheel.
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Terry Hand sent you the best contact info I have. If you haven't already=2C
visit their website=2C betteraircraftfabric.com . You can download a pdf
brochure of the Oratex products.
Lorenzo
From: jnl96@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: giblets
I appreciate the info. I have been trying to contact these folks for month
s with no luck. do u have any info on how to contact they? any help would b
e appreciated and would help to keep the tail light and cq in the proper lo
cation.
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Gee, Scott! Sounds like it flew just like a Bleriot (or a berlot).
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: giblets
<Scott.liefeld@lacity.org>
I can answer your question based on actually doing it. OK, I didn't but dad
did with my airplane. Maybe 28 years ago. I would not advise anyone to do
it. That said, my plane has a C85 cont. The airport elevation is 385 feet
and dad only weighs 145 lbs. It barely flew and couldn't reach pattern alt.
Enough said about that.DO NOT attempt it.
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Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
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Subject: | An all sheet-metal Pietenpol design...? |
Hello good Piet-ple,
Things are progressing well on my 1931 Pietenpol, yet this time of year thoughts
often turn to "What project next"...?!?!
I've been thinking that perhaps the Pietenpol needs updating a bit while still
keeping with the designer's original intent. What better way to do that than
by creating a sheet metal version of the design - the Sheet-en-pol
I've run some numbers and it looks like the RV-8 wing and empennage would work
well. These parts are readily available as component kits from Vans. This would
allow me to concentrate most of my design work on the fuselage and paint scheme.
The canopy from the RV-8 should fit nicely around the tandem seat arrangement
which would make the plane useful for a greater portion of the year - especially
considering all the rain we get here in Seattle. The canopy feature might
even work well in places like Minnesota where the original was designed or
Ohio where so many Pietenpols get built for some strange reason. (Maybe cause
it is the birthplace of the Wright Brothers or something!)
I ran some flow analysis (see image) and it looks like with all the changes the
design might actually reduce the drag enough to require the installation of an
airspeed indicator.
Not wanting to bite off too much by designing both an experimental airframe AND
an engine (no one would ever want to do THAT) I would use only a certified automotive
conversion.
Glad for these early springtime April days to be able to let the mind wander a
bit
Jake
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Subject: | Joseph Jameson's Corvair engine runs |
Builders:
We just got back from Corvair College #29, and the high point of the event was
the perfect engine test run of the 100HP Corvair built by 16 year old Pietenpol
builder Joseph Jameson. We ran a number of builders engine for the first time
at the College, but everyone present took notice of Joseph's achievement.
The October '13 BPA newsletter carried a nice story about Dan Helsper taking Joseph
aloft for his first flight in a Pietenpol. Doc and Dee, Dan and most everyone
who has met Joseph comments that he is obviously a bright and thoughtful
young man, blessed with a supportive family. A few minutes in his company is enough
to make a curmudgeon say something positive about the future of aviation.
Joseph has a lot of his airframe built, and is closing in on his PP check ride, but opted to dig into his Corvair engine when Kevin Purtee and Shelley Tumino hosted Corvair College#28 in Texas. You can see Joseph and his father Kelley speaking with award winning Piet builder and flyer Hans Vandervort at the college in this link: http://flycorvair.net/2014/03/13/corvair-college-28-san-marcos-texas/
Joseph got his Corvair underway at #28, but signed up for #29 in Florida to finish
and test run it. The engine is a 100HP Corvair, with a Roy, 5th bearing and
Falcon heads. It is not a "spare no expense" engine, but it is an exceptionally
high quality Corvair with electric start, dual ignition, stainless valves,
HD oil cooler and filter and some weight reduction items like a flyweight welded
deep sump pan. The engine is a bit lighter than a C-90 or an O-200.
When Joseph was done, we pre-oiled it and put it on our test stand. It started
in less than 2 seconds of cranking. We put down a 30 minute run to break in the
cam and lifters, followed by a second run. I have run several hundred Corvairs
on the stand in the last decade, and Joseph's engine ran as well as any of
them. It was smooth, didn't leak a drop of oil, and his adjustment of the hydraulic
lifters was perfect. A visitor to the college asked what this young man's
'secret of success' was. I said "He actually read the book and he follows the
instructions."
Hats off to Joseph for his achievement in learning and building, and special thanks
to everyone in the Piet community that played a positive role in assisting
him. Joseph and his Dad are planning on attending Brodhead this year, if you
have not met them, take a moment to do so, they are outstanding people. -ww
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I have also wondered about the fuselage covering. When I was first
getting interested in a homebuilt the Breezy was a very interesting
consideration. It apparently works. Also look at the site for the
Backyard Flyer ultralight. I have been watching the Flyer at EAA for
the last few years. I have been trying to convince myself it might be a
good alternative while I slowly work on my Pietenpol. The people at
Backyard Flyer told me the uncovered fuselage reduces the wind vane
effect in crosswinds which can plague a very light aircraft. I am
planning in leaving the cockpit uncovered to emphasize the wood
construction. I saw one treated that way at Brodhead many years ago in
my early planning stages.
Ralph in SD
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Subject: | Re: An all sheet-metal Pietenpol design...? |
Jake, for the Sheet-enpol, you should consider a Vtail so that you can
mount a The TJ-100 turbojet engine produced by PBS Velk=C3=A1 B=C3=ADte=C5
=A1
of the Czech Republic. In keeping with keeping it true to the 1930s period.
PBS is a large manufacturer rotary machines with roots dating-back to 1814
and therefore could have been used by Mr Pietenpol in 1929. Similar to the
Subsonix.
Perhaps it could be called the Subsheeetenpol.
Ducking and running for cover.
Steve D
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Subject: | Re: An all sheet-metal Pietenpol design...? |
Jake,
Nobody,s biting today. I wonder why????
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Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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Jack,
I never flew one of those. I'm not that old. Sounds like you know better than I
do. How old did you say you were??? Just messing with you. I do bet that it is
a good comparison. At least the Piet doesn't have wing warping.
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Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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Subject: | Re: An all sheet-metal Pietenpol design...? |
It's all in good fun...... this is a FUN airplane after all :-)
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Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
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Subject: | Re: An all sheet-metal Pietenpol design...? |
Jake,
It's a great flight to be on. This list is what I mean. Enjoy the day folks. Off
to the airport now.
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Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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Subject: | Re: An all sheet-metal Pietenpol design...? |
Jake, for the Sheet-enpol, you should consider a Vtail so that you can
mount a The TJ-100 turbojet engine produced by PBS Velk=C3=A1 B=C3=ADte=C5
=A1
of the Czech Republic. In keeping with keeping it true to the 1930s period.
PBS is a large manufacturer rotary machines with roots dating-back to 1814
and therefore could have been used by Mr Pietenpol in 1929. Similar to the
Subsonix.
Perhaps it could be called the Subsheeetenpol.
Ducking and running for cover.
Steve D
I dun sent this once befor
On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 9:54 AM, AircamperN11MS <Scott.liefeld@lacity.org>wr
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> Scott.liefeld@lacity.org>
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> Jake,
> Nobody,s biting today. I wonder why????
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> Scott Liefeld
> Flying N11MS since March 1972
> Steel Tube
> C-85-12
> Wire Wheels
> Brodhead in 1996
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Blue Skies,
Steve D
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Well, no intentional wing-warping anyway! It could be done if you weren't careful,
but it's also a static adjustment ;).
On Apr 1, 2014, at 11:06 AM, AircamperN11MS wrote:
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> Jack,
> I never flew one of those. I'm not that old. Sounds like you know better than
I do. How old did you say you were??? Just messing with you. I do bet that it
is a good comparison. At least the Piet doesn't have wing warping.
>
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> Scott Liefeld
> Flying N11MS since March 1972
> Steel Tube
> C-85-12
> Wire Wheels
> Brodhead in 1996
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Subject: | Re: An all sheet-metal Pietenpol design...? |
Guys,
There are a number of Piet pictures and builders on this 2009 web update from our site: http://www.flycorvair.com/hangar1009.html, but if you look about 1/2 way down It has a picture of Don Taylor's all sheet metal, two seat, tandem Fly baby. Wisely powered by a 'certified auto engine.'
Don Taylor is a very early EAA guy who was best Known for 'Tinker-toy' a very innovative
pusher homebuilt that used a corvair and a belt reduction where the
axis of the prop was concentric with the single top longeron of the fuselage.
Flew for about 10 years in the 70's -ww.
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I saw Chad Wilie fly the Bleriot at Brodhead a couple of years ago. He
never got it out of ground effect, but technically it "flew".
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2014 11:06 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: giblets
<Scott.liefeld@lacity.org>
Jack,
I never flew one of those. I'm not that old. Sounds like you know better
than I do. How old did you say you were??? Just messing with you. I do bet
that it is a good comparison. At least the Piet doesn't have wing warping.
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Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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Subject: | Re: An all sheet-metal Pietenpol design...? |
Sounds interesting but the link does not work...???!!?
Just when you think you think of something new it turns out somebody has already
done it...!
Jake
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Subject: | Re: An all sheet-metal Pietenpol design...? |
try this link:
http://www.flycorvair.com/hangar1009.html
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...test..test.. short gopro test fresh out of the box. Had not looked at proper
settings yet. Tried slo-mo, black&white..camera vibration in flt...did nothing
w/sound yet, etc..
http://youtu.be/3IiAMQM3uJ0
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A65-8
N2308C
AN Hardware
Airframe 724TT
W72CK-42 Sensenich
Standard Factory GN-1
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Subject: | Re: An all sheet-metal Pietenpol design...? |
WW,
VERY nice - Thanks...!
J
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Subject: | mylar covered Jenny |
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Subject: | Re: An all sheet-metal Pietenpol design...? |
William, in the article it showed engine mount tubes beautifully profiled with
CNC. Do you know if Don has ever done tubes for a Continental mount for a Piet.
Mine is already cut (what a pain), but others may have an interest.
Sent from my iPad
Jack Textor
> On Apr 1, 2014, at 10:26 AM, "William Wynne" <WilliamTCA@aol.com> wrote:
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> Guys,
>
> There are a number of Piet pictures and builders on this 2009 web update from our site: http://www.flycorvair.com/hangar1009.html, but if you look about 1/2 way down It has a picture of Don Taylor's all sheet metal, two seat, tandem Fly baby. Wisely powered by a 'certified auto engine.'
>
> Don Taylor is a very early EAA guy who was best Known for 'Tinker-toy' a very
innovative pusher homebuilt that used a corvair and a belt reduction where the
axis of the prop was concentric with the single top longeron of the fuselage.
Flew for about 10 years in the 70's -ww.
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Subject: | Re: An all sheet-metal Pietenpol design...? |
Jack,
I am pretty sure he does not have it because he tends to serve manufacturers with
proprietary designs rather than low volume or one off guys. The prototype cost
is about the same as the first 15 tubing sets cost. I have made about 12 or
13 high thrust line Corvair/Piet mounts, but we hand cut them, as the volume
was low compared to the numbers on 601/750 mounts.
I have worked with Don for 10 years or so, and he remains one of the most impressive
people we have met in industry. Canadians ought to be very proud, VR-3 is
entirely a Canadian entity down to the software design and tooling. Don does
a giant share of the tubing work in light planes, including certified ones, but
he also does DOD work and engineering.-ww.
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Subject: | Re: mylar covered Jenny |
WOW, Would that cause any problems? IE heat and/or moisture buildup inside
the mylar, esp the wing.
Blue Skies
Steve D
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Subject: | Re: All sideways on the Western front |
That is a great video. But my personal fav is "Don't Turn Right!". A cinematic
masterpiece!
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Subject: | Re: poor man's metal stamping |
Douwe,
This photo is self explanatory. Maybe it will spark some ideas.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
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From: Douwe Blumberg <douweblumberg@earthlink.net>
Sent: Mon, Mar 31, 2014 1:29 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: poor man's metal stamping
Thought I=99d tap into the great mass of collectivewisdom here
I want to fabricate a prototype sheet metal body shell,something like you
=99d see on a car from aluminum sheet. There arecompound curves, but
they nothing too hard.
This is probably a one-off project and I can=99t spendthe money to ha
ve big expensive stamping dies made, and don=99t want totake the time
to use an English wheel for it all. Does anyone know of a poorman=99
s method to make stampings?
I=99ve seen someone take a male and female plaster orbondo mold from
a pattern and use a press to =9Cstamp=9D our somealuminum sheet
s.
Any thoughts are appreciated!!
Douwe
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Subject: | Re: An all sheet-metal Pietenpol design...? |
I've been thinking that perhaps the Pietenpol needs updating a bit =C3=A2
=C2=C2=93 while
still keeping with the designer's original intent. What better way to do th
at
than by creating a sheet metal version of the design
Love you Jake....but seriously? This is a gag, right? BHP would be rolling
over in his grave right about now....
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
cc: TC Emeritus
cc: Board of Curmudgeons
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Sent: Tue, Apr 1, 2014 11:13 am
Subject: Pietenpol-List: An all sheet-metal Pietenpol design...?
Hello good Piet-ple,
Things are progressing well on my 1931 Pietenpol, yet this time of year tho
ughts
often turn to "What project next"...?!?!
I've been thinking that perhaps the Pietenpol needs updating a bit =C3=A2
=C2=C2=93 while
still keeping with the designer's original intent. What better way to do th
at
than by creating a sheet metal version of the design - the =C3=A2=C2=C2
=9CSheet-en-pol=C3=A2=C2=C2=9D
I've run some numbers and it looks like the RV-8 wing and empennage would w
ork
well. These parts are readily available as component kits from Vans. This w
ould
allow me to concentrate most of my design work on the fuselage and paint sc
heme.
The canopy from the RV-8 should fit nicely around the tandem seat arrangeme
nt
which would make the plane useful for a greater portion of the year - espec
ially
considering all the rain we get here in Seattle. The canopy feature might e
ven
work well in places like Minnesota where the original was designed or Ohio
where
so many Pietenpols get built for some strange reason. (Maybe =C3=A2=C2
=C2=98cause it is the
birthplace of the Wright Brothers or something=C3=A2=C2=C2!)
I ran some flow analysis (see image) and it looks like with all the changes
the
design might actually reduce the drag enough to require the installation of
an
airspeed indicator.
Not wanting to bite off too much by designing both an experimental airframe
AND
an engine (no one would ever want to do THAT) I would use only a certified
automotive conversion.
Glad for these early springtime April days to be able to let the mind wande
r a
bit=C3=A2=C2=C2=C3=A2=C2=C2
Jake
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Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
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Subject: | Re: All sideways on the Western front |
Thanks for the kind words. I have to say, "Don't turn right!" is favored by just
about everyone, including me.
Jeffrey H. Boatright, PhD, FARVO
Associate Professor of Ophthalmology
Emory University School of Medicine
Sent from an iPad with a spelling problem
> On Apr 1, 2014, at 6:23 PM, "tools" <n0kkj@yahoo.com> wrote:
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>
> That is a great video. But my personal fav is "Don't Turn Right!". A cinematic
masterpiece!
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Subject: | Re: An all sheet-metal Pietenpol design...? |
Yes, this is APRIL FIRST after all......!!
BHP would hopefully appreciate the humor :-)
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Subject: | Re: An all sheet-metal Pietenpol design...? |
Dag-Nabit Jake! You got me!
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
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Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: An all sheet-metal Pietenpol design...?
Yes, this is APRIL FIRST after all......!!
BHP would hopefully appreciate the humor :-)
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Subject: | Re: An all sheet-metal Pietenpol design...? |
....but I could make new plans for such a design and then "build it exactly to
the plans" Ha!
Hope to post some photos in the next few days of my Piet on it's gear...! (OK
the wheels are plywood circles until I get my real ones, but it is on it's own
gear....!!!!!!)
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Subject: | Re: mylar covered Jenny |
I think it only flew like that for one summer, back in the '80s. Those photos
were taken out west somewhere, it was owned by Gene Frank in Idaho at the time.
Looks like two Pietenpols in the background.
It hasn't flown for years, and is under long term rebuild in Virginia now, and
will have normal fabric on it when finished.
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Subject: | Information resource - Sun n Fun |
Builders,
If you are looking for another information resource, I have written an index of
the 200 most popular stories on our website. They are all related to aircraft
building, but even if a builder was not going to use a Corvair, there are still
70-80 stories that will be useful on carbs, oils, wiring, instruments, Piets,
welding etc. If you have the time, peruse the titles, you can click on any
of them to read the whole story:
http://flycorvair.net/2014/04/02/200-stories-of-aircraft-building/
Vern, Lynn and myself are headed to Sun n Fun in a few hours. A number of builders
are getting together at the SPA/Panther booth of Friday night for their cook
out after hours. I have forums to give On Wed. Fri. Sat. at 12 noon. I will
have a spare 24.25" Corvair/Piet mount with us. Looking forward to seeing a number
of you there.-ww.
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Subject: | Official Pietenpol-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) |
Dear Listers,
Please read over the Pietenpol-List Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) below. The
complete Pietenpol-List FAQ including the Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/Pietenpol-List.FAQ.html
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
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While constructing pages for the Wiki is not difficult, some may not be
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Often someone produces a particularly useful posting in email one one of the
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in PKZIP format. Use "binary" data transfer methods.
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UNIX compress format. Use "binary" data transfer methods.
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a number of formats as described above. (All filenames are case sensitive.)
ftp://ftp.matronics.com/pub/Archives
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The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the Pietenpol-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the Pietenpol-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
Pietenpol-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the Pietenpol-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
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- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
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- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
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Dear Listers,
Please read over the Pietenpol-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete
Pietenpol-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/Pietenpol-List.FAQ.html
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
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Pietenpol-List Usage Guidelines
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The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the Pietenpol-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the Pietenpol-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
Pietenpol-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the Pietenpol-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
can not be overstated!
- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the
"reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your
response to the original poster. You might have to actively address
your response with the original poster's email address.
- DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I
agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent
to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large.
- When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly
contribute something valuable.
- Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack
other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that
will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.
- Occasional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularly
subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by
List members promoting their respective products or items for sale
should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble
a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but
is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to
everyone, including those who provide products to the entire
community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the
operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists.
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