Pietenpol-List Digest Archive

Tue 04/01/14


Total Messages Posted: 34



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     1. 04:08 AM - Re: poor man's metal stamping (womenfly2)
     2. 04:52 AM - Re: giblets (larharris2 Harris)
     3. 05:19 AM - Re: Re: giblets (Jack Phillips)
     4. 05:43 AM - An all sheet-metal Pietenpol design...? (aerocarjake)
     5. 05:59 AM - Joseph Jameson's Corvair engine runs (William Wynne)
     6. 06:29 AM - Re: giblets (Ralph)
     7. 07:50 AM - Re: An all sheet-metal Pietenpol design...? (Steven Dortch)
     8. 07:55 AM - Re: An all sheet-metal Pietenpol design...? (AircamperN11MS)
     9. 08:07 AM - Re: giblets (AircamperN11MS)
    10. 08:16 AM - Re: An all sheet-metal Pietenpol design...? (aerocarjake)
    11. 08:21 AM - Re: An all sheet-metal Pietenpol design...? (AircamperN11MS)
    12. 08:22 AM - Re: Re: An all sheet-metal Pietenpol design...? (Steven Dortch)
    13. 08:23 AM - Re: Re: giblets (earthlink1)
    14. 08:26 AM - Re: An all sheet-metal Pietenpol design...? (William Wynne)
    15. 08:42 AM - Re: Re: giblets (Jack Phillips)
    16. 09:23 AM - Re: An all sheet-metal Pietenpol design...? (aerocarjake)
    17. 09:32 AM - Re: An all sheet-metal Pietenpol design...? (William Wynne)
    18. 09:35 AM - GoPro test (TriScout)
    19. 09:54 AM - Re: An all sheet-metal Pietenpol design...? (aerocarjake)
    20. 10:07 AM - mylar covered Jenny (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC])
    21. 10:22 AM - Re: Re: An all sheet-metal Pietenpol design...? (Jack)
    22. 12:00 PM - Re: An all sheet-metal Pietenpol design...? (William Wynne)
    23. 12:50 PM - Re: mylar covered Jenny (Steven Dortch)
    24. 03:21 PM - Re: All sideways on the Western front (tools)
    25. 03:23 PM - Re: poor man's metal stamping (danhelsper@aol.com)
    26. 03:31 PM - Re: An all sheet-metal Pietenpol design...? (danhelsper@aol.com)
    27. 03:32 PM - Re: Re: All sideways on the Western front (Boatright, Jeffrey)
    28. 03:47 PM - Re: An all sheet-metal Pietenpol design...? (aerocarjake)
    29. 05:23 PM - Re: Re: An all sheet-metal Pietenpol design...? (danhelsper@aol.com)
    30. 05:38 PM - Re: An all sheet-metal Pietenpol design...? (aerocarjake)
    31. 06:14 PM - Re: mylar covered Jenny (Baldeagle)
    32. 09:55 PM - Information resource - Sun n Fun (William Wynne)
    33. 11:01 PM - Official Pietenpol-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) (Matt Dralle)
    34. 11:06 PM - Official Pietenpol-List Usage Guidelines (Matt Dralle)
 
 
 


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    Time: 04:08:06 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: poor man's metal stamping
    From: "womenfly2" <Love2Fly.KAP@gmail.com>
    Learn to use an English Wheel. -------- Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=421437#421437


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    Time: 04:52:17 AM PST US
    From: larharris2 Harris <larharris2@msn.com>
    Subject: giblets
    Terry Hand sent you the best contact info I have. If you haven't already=2C visit their website=2C betteraircraftfabric.com . You can download a pdf brochure of the Oratex products. Lorenzo From: jnl96@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: giblets I appreciate the info. I have been trying to contact these folks for month s with no luck. do u have any info on how to contact they? any help would b e appreciated and would help to keep the tail light and cq in the proper lo cation.


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    Time: 05:19:48 AM PST US
    From: "Jack Phillips" <jack@bedfordlandings.com>
    Subject: Re: giblets
    Gee, Scott! Sounds like it flew just like a Bleriot (or a berlot). Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of AircamperN11MS Sent: Monday, March 31, 2014 9:05 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: giblets <Scott.liefeld@lacity.org> I can answer your question based on actually doing it. OK, I didn't but dad did with my airplane. Maybe 28 years ago. I would not advise anyone to do it. That said, my plane has a C85 cont. The airport elevation is 385 feet and dad only weighs 145 lbs. It barely flew and couldn't reach pattern alt. Enough said about that.DO NOT attempt it. -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=421410#421410


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    Time: 05:43:35 AM PST US
    Subject: An all sheet-metal Pietenpol design...?
    From: "aerocarjake" <flight.jake@gmail.com>
    Hello good Piet-ple, Things are progressing well on my 1931 Pietenpol, yet this time of year thoughts often turn to "What project next"...?!?! I've been thinking that perhaps the Pietenpol needs updating a bit while still keeping with the designer's original intent. What better way to do that than by creating a sheet metal version of the design - the Sheet-en-pol I've run some numbers and it looks like the RV-8 wing and empennage would work well. These parts are readily available as component kits from Vans. This would allow me to concentrate most of my design work on the fuselage and paint scheme. The canopy from the RV-8 should fit nicely around the tandem seat arrangement which would make the plane useful for a greater portion of the year - especially considering all the rain we get here in Seattle. The canopy feature might even work well in places like Minnesota where the original was designed or Ohio where so many Pietenpols get built for some strange reason. (Maybe cause it is the birthplace of the Wright Brothers or something!) I ran some flow analysis (see image) and it looks like with all the changes the design might actually reduce the drag enough to require the installation of an airspeed indicator. Not wanting to bite off too much by designing both an experimental airframe AND an engine (no one would ever want to do THAT) I would use only a certified automotive conversion. Glad for these early springtime April days to be able to let the mind wander a bit Jake -------- Jake Schultz - curator, Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=421442#421442 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/pietenpol_airflow_636.jpg


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    Time: 05:59:53 AM PST US
    Subject: Joseph Jameson's Corvair engine runs
    From: "William Wynne" <WilliamTCA@aol.com>
    Builders: We just got back from Corvair College #29, and the high point of the event was the perfect engine test run of the 100HP Corvair built by 16 year old Pietenpol builder Joseph Jameson. We ran a number of builders engine for the first time at the College, but everyone present took notice of Joseph's achievement. The October '13 BPA newsletter carried a nice story about Dan Helsper taking Joseph aloft for his first flight in a Pietenpol. Doc and Dee, Dan and most everyone who has met Joseph comments that he is obviously a bright and thoughtful young man, blessed with a supportive family. A few minutes in his company is enough to make a curmudgeon say something positive about the future of aviation. Joseph has a lot of his airframe built, and is closing in on his PP check ride, but opted to dig into his Corvair engine when Kevin Purtee and Shelley Tumino hosted Corvair College#28 in Texas. You can see Joseph and his father Kelley speaking with award winning Piet builder and flyer Hans Vandervort at the college in this link: http://flycorvair.net/2014/03/13/corvair-college-28-san-marcos-texas/ Joseph got his Corvair underway at #28, but signed up for #29 in Florida to finish and test run it. The engine is a 100HP Corvair, with a Roy, 5th bearing and Falcon heads. It is not a "spare no expense" engine, but it is an exceptionally high quality Corvair with electric start, dual ignition, stainless valves, HD oil cooler and filter and some weight reduction items like a flyweight welded deep sump pan. The engine is a bit lighter than a C-90 or an O-200. When Joseph was done, we pre-oiled it and put it on our test stand. It started in less than 2 seconds of cranking. We put down a 30 minute run to break in the cam and lifters, followed by a second run. I have run several hundred Corvairs on the stand in the last decade, and Joseph's engine ran as well as any of them. It was smooth, didn't leak a drop of oil, and his adjustment of the hydraulic lifters was perfect. A visitor to the college asked what this young man's 'secret of success' was. I said "He actually read the book and he follows the instructions." Hats off to Joseph for his achievement in learning and building, and special thanks to everyone in the Piet community that played a positive role in assisting him. Joseph and his Dad are planning on attending Brodhead this year, if you have not met them, take a moment to do so, they are outstanding people. -ww Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=421443#421443


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    Time: 06:29:16 AM PST US
    From: "Ralph" <ralphhsd@itctel.com>
    Subject: Re: giblets
    I have also wondered about the fuselage covering. When I was first getting interested in a homebuilt the Breezy was a very interesting consideration. It apparently works. Also look at the site for the Backyard Flyer ultralight. I have been watching the Flyer at EAA for the last few years. I have been trying to convince myself it might be a good alternative while I slowly work on my Pietenpol. The people at Backyard Flyer told me the uncovered fuselage reduces the wind vane effect in crosswinds which can plague a very light aircraft. I am planning in leaving the cockpit uncovered to emphasize the wood construction. I saw one treated that way at Brodhead many years ago in my early planning stages. Ralph in SD


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    Time: 07:50:11 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: An all sheet-metal Pietenpol design...?
    From: Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch@gmail.com>
    Jake, for the Sheet-enpol, you should consider a Vtail so that you can mount a The TJ-100 turbojet engine produced by PBS Velk=C3=A1 B=C3=ADte=C5 =A1 of the Czech Republic. In keeping with keeping it true to the 1930s period. PBS is a large manufacturer rotary machines with roots dating-back to 1814 and therefore could have been used by Mr Pietenpol in 1929. Similar to the Subsonix. Perhaps it could be called the Subsheeetenpol. Ducking and running for cover. Steve D


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    Time: 07:55:04 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: An all sheet-metal Pietenpol design...?
    From: "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld@lacity.org>
    Jake, Nobody,s biting today. I wonder why???? -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=421446#421446


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    Time: 08:07:00 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: giblets
    From: "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld@lacity.org>
    Jack, I never flew one of those. I'm not that old. Sounds like you know better than I do. How old did you say you were??? Just messing with you. I do bet that it is a good comparison. At least the Piet doesn't have wing warping. -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=421450#421450


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    Time: 08:16:15 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: An all sheet-metal Pietenpol design...?
    From: "aerocarjake" <flight.jake@gmail.com>
    It's all in good fun...... this is a FUN airplane after all :-) -------- Jake Schultz - curator, Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=421451#421451


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    Time: 08:21:03 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: An all sheet-metal Pietenpol design...?
    From: "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld@lacity.org>
    Jake, It's a great flight to be on. This list is what I mean. Enjoy the day folks. Off to the airport now. -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=421452#421452


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    Time: 08:22:27 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: An all sheet-metal Pietenpol design...?
    From: Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch@gmail.com>
    Jake, for the Sheet-enpol, you should consider a Vtail so that you can mount a The TJ-100 turbojet engine produced by PBS Velk=C3=A1 B=C3=ADte=C5 =A1 of the Czech Republic. In keeping with keeping it true to the 1930s period. PBS is a large manufacturer rotary machines with roots dating-back to 1814 and therefore could have been used by Mr Pietenpol in 1929. Similar to the Subsonix. Perhaps it could be called the Subsheeetenpol. Ducking and running for cover. Steve D I dun sent this once befor On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 9:54 AM, AircamperN11MS <Scott.liefeld@lacity.org>wr ote: > Scott.liefeld@lacity.org> > > Jake, > Nobody,s biting today. I wonder why???? > > -------- > Scott Liefeld > Flying N11MS since March 1972 > Steel Tube > C-85-12 > Wire Wheels > Brodhead in 1996 > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=421446#421446 > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > -- Blue Skies, Steve D


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    Time: 08:23:26 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: giblets
    From: earthlink1 <kipandbeth@earthlink.net>
    Well, no intentional wing-warping anyway! It could be done if you weren't careful, but it's also a static adjustment ;). On Apr 1, 2014, at 11:06 AM, AircamperN11MS wrote: > > Jack, > I never flew one of those. I'm not that old. Sounds like you know better than I do. How old did you say you were??? Just messing with you. I do bet that it is a good comparison. At least the Piet doesn't have wing warping. > > -------- > Scott Liefeld > Flying N11MS since March 1972 > Steel Tube > C-85-12 > Wire Wheels > Brodhead in 1996 > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=421450#421450 > > > > > > > > > >


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    Time: 08:26:29 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: An all sheet-metal Pietenpol design...?
    From: "William Wynne" <WilliamTCA@aol.com>
    Guys, There are a number of Piet pictures and builders on this 2009 web update from our site: http://www.flycorvair.com/hangar1009.html, but if you look about 1/2 way down It has a picture of Don Taylor's all sheet metal, two seat, tandem Fly baby. Wisely powered by a 'certified auto engine.' Don Taylor is a very early EAA guy who was best Known for 'Tinker-toy' a very innovative pusher homebuilt that used a corvair and a belt reduction where the axis of the prop was concentric with the single top longeron of the fuselage. Flew for about 10 years in the 70's -ww. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=421455#421455


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    Time: 08:42:06 AM PST US
    From: "Jack Phillips" <jack@bedfordlandings.com>
    Subject: Re: giblets
    I saw Chad Wilie fly the Bleriot at Brodhead a couple of years ago. He never got it out of ground effect, but technically it "flew". Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of AircamperN11MS Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2014 11:06 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: giblets <Scott.liefeld@lacity.org> Jack, I never flew one of those. I'm not that old. Sounds like you know better than I do. How old did you say you were??? Just messing with you. I do bet that it is a good comparison. At least the Piet doesn't have wing warping. -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=421450#421450


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    Time: 09:23:28 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: An all sheet-metal Pietenpol design...?
    From: "aerocarjake" <flight.jake@gmail.com>
    Sounds interesting but the link does not work...???!!? Just when you think you think of something new it turns out somebody has already done it...! Jake -------- Jake Schultz - curator, Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=421457#421457


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    Time: 09:32:51 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: An all sheet-metal Pietenpol design...?
    From: "William Wynne" <WilliamTCA@aol.com>
    try this link: http://www.flycorvair.com/hangar1009.html Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=421458#421458


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    Time: 09:35:50 AM PST US
    Subject: GoPro test
    From: "TriScout" <apfelcyber@yahoo.com>
    ...test..test.. short gopro test fresh out of the box. Had not looked at proper settings yet. Tried slo-mo, black&white..camera vibration in flt...did nothing w/sound yet, etc.. http://youtu.be/3IiAMQM3uJ0 -------- KLNC A65-8 N2308C AN Hardware Airframe 724TT W72CK-42 Sensenich Standard Factory GN-1 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=421460#421460


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    Time: 09:54:22 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: An all sheet-metal Pietenpol design...?
    From: "aerocarjake" <flight.jake@gmail.com>
    WW, VERY nice - Thanks...! J -------- Jake Schultz - curator, Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=421461#421461


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    Time: 10:07:40 AM PST US
    From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>
    Subject: mylar covered Jenny
    [cid:image001.png@01CF4DAB.2D52A110] [cid:image002.png@01CF4DAB.2D52A110] [cid:image003.png@01CF4DAB.2D52A110]


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    Time: 10:22:48 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: An all sheet-metal Pietenpol design...?
    From: Jack <jack@textors.com>
    William, in the article it showed engine mount tubes beautifully profiled with CNC. Do you know if Don has ever done tubes for a Continental mount for a Piet. Mine is already cut (what a pain), but others may have an interest. Sent from my iPad Jack Textor > On Apr 1, 2014, at 10:26 AM, "William Wynne" <WilliamTCA@aol.com> wrote: > > > Guys, > > There are a number of Piet pictures and builders on this 2009 web update from our site: http://www.flycorvair.com/hangar1009.html, but if you look about 1/2 way down It has a picture of Don Taylor's all sheet metal, two seat, tandem Fly baby. Wisely powered by a 'certified auto engine.' > > Don Taylor is a very early EAA guy who was best Known for 'Tinker-toy' a very innovative pusher homebuilt that used a corvair and a belt reduction where the axis of the prop was concentric with the single top longeron of the fuselage. Flew for about 10 years in the 70's -ww. > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=421455#421455 > > > > > > > > > >


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    Time: 12:00:51 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: An all sheet-metal Pietenpol design...?
    From: "William Wynne" <WilliamTCA@aol.com>
    Jack, I am pretty sure he does not have it because he tends to serve manufacturers with proprietary designs rather than low volume or one off guys. The prototype cost is about the same as the first 15 tubing sets cost. I have made about 12 or 13 high thrust line Corvair/Piet mounts, but we hand cut them, as the volume was low compared to the numbers on 601/750 mounts. I have worked with Don for 10 years or so, and he remains one of the most impressive people we have met in industry. Canadians ought to be very proud, VR-3 is entirely a Canadian entity down to the software design and tooling. Don does a giant share of the tubing work in light planes, including certified ones, but he also does DOD work and engineering.-ww. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=421467#421467


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    Time: 12:50:00 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: mylar covered Jenny
    From: Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch@gmail.com>
    WOW, Would that cause any problems? IE heat and/or moisture buildup inside the mylar, esp the wing. Blue Skies Steve D


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    Time: 03:21:36 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: All sideways on the Western front
    From: "tools" <n0kkj@yahoo.com>
    That is a great video. But my personal fav is "Don't Turn Right!". A cinematic masterpiece! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=421474#421474


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    Time: 03:23:30 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: poor man's metal stamping
    From: danhelsper@aol.com
    Douwe, This photo is self explanatory. Maybe it will spark some ideas. Dan Helsper Puryear, TN -----Original Message----- From: Douwe Blumberg <douweblumberg@earthlink.net> Sent: Mon, Mar 31, 2014 1:29 pm Subject: Pietenpol-List: poor man's metal stamping Thought I=99d tap into the great mass of collectivewisdom here I want to fabricate a prototype sheet metal body shell,something like you =99d see on a car from aluminum sheet. There arecompound curves, but they nothing too hard. This is probably a one-off project and I can=99t spendthe money to ha ve big expensive stamping dies made, and don=99t want totake the time to use an English wheel for it all. Does anyone know of a poorman=99 s method to make stampings? I=99ve seen someone take a male and female plaster orbondo mold from a pattern and use a press to =9Cstamp=9D our somealuminum sheet s. Any thoughts are appreciated!! Douwe


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    Time: 03:31:41 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: An all sheet-metal Pietenpol design...?
    From: danhelsper@aol.com
    I've been thinking that perhaps the Pietenpol needs updating a bit =C3=A2 =C2=C2=93 while still keeping with the designer's original intent. What better way to do th at than by creating a sheet metal version of the design Love you Jake....but seriously? This is a gag, right? BHP would be rolling over in his grave right about now.... Dan Helsper Puryear, TN cc: TC Emeritus cc: Board of Curmudgeons -----Original Message----- From: aerocarjake <flight.jake@gmail.com> Sent: Tue, Apr 1, 2014 11:13 am Subject: Pietenpol-List: An all sheet-metal Pietenpol design...? Hello good Piet-ple, Things are progressing well on my 1931 Pietenpol, yet this time of year tho ughts often turn to "What project next"...?!?! I've been thinking that perhaps the Pietenpol needs updating a bit =C3=A2 =C2=C2=93 while still keeping with the designer's original intent. What better way to do th at than by creating a sheet metal version of the design - the =C3=A2=C2=C2 =9CSheet-en-pol=C3=A2=C2=C2=9D I've run some numbers and it looks like the RV-8 wing and empennage would w ork well. These parts are readily available as component kits from Vans. This w ould allow me to concentrate most of my design work on the fuselage and paint sc heme. The canopy from the RV-8 should fit nicely around the tandem seat arrangeme nt which would make the plane useful for a greater portion of the year - espec ially considering all the rain we get here in Seattle. The canopy feature might e ven work well in places like Minnesota where the original was designed or Ohio where so many Pietenpols get built for some strange reason. (Maybe =C3=A2=C2 =C2=98cause it is the birthplace of the Wright Brothers or something=C3=A2=C2=C2!) I ran some flow analysis (see image) and it looks like with all the changes the design might actually reduce the drag enough to require the installation of an airspeed indicator. Not wanting to bite off too much by designing both an experimental airframe AND an engine (no one would ever want to do THAT) I would use only a certified automotive conversion. Glad for these early springtime April days to be able to let the mind wande r a bit=C3=A2=C2=C2=C3=A2=C2=C2 Jake -------- Jake Schultz - curator, Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=421442#421442 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/pietenpol_airflow_636.jpg


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    Time: 03:32:05 PM PST US
    From: "Boatright, Jeffrey" <jeffboatright@emory.edu>
    Subject: Re: All sideways on the Western front
    Thanks for the kind words. I have to say, "Don't turn right!" is favored by just about everyone, including me. Jeffrey H. Boatright, PhD, FARVO Associate Professor of Ophthalmology Emory University School of Medicine Sent from an iPad with a spelling problem > On Apr 1, 2014, at 6:23 PM, "tools" <n0kkj@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > That is a great video. But my personal fav is "Don't Turn Right!". A cinematic masterpiece! > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=421474#421474 > > ________________________________ This e-mail message (including any attachments) is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this message (including any attachments) is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please contact the sender by reply e-mail message and destroy all copies of the original message (including attachments).


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    Time: 03:47:38 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: An all sheet-metal Pietenpol design...?
    From: "aerocarjake" <flight.jake@gmail.com>
    Yes, this is APRIL FIRST after all......!! BHP would hopefully appreciate the humor :-) -------- Jake Schultz - curator, Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=421478#421478


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    Time: 05:23:26 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: An all sheet-metal Pietenpol design...?
    From: danhelsper@aol.com
    Dag-Nabit Jake! You got me! Dan Helsper Puryear, TN -----Original Message----- From: aerocarjake <flight.jake@gmail.com> Sent: Tue, Apr 1, 2014 5:47 pm Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: An all sheet-metal Pietenpol design...? Yes, this is APRIL FIRST after all......!! BHP would hopefully appreciate the humor :-) -------- Jake Schultz - curator, Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=421478#421478


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    Time: 05:38:09 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: An all sheet-metal Pietenpol design...?
    From: "aerocarjake" <flight.jake@gmail.com>
    ....but I could make new plans for such a design and then "build it exactly to the plans" Ha! Hope to post some photos in the next few days of my Piet on it's gear...! (OK the wheels are plywood circles until I get my real ones, but it is on it's own gear....!!!!!!) -------- Jake Schultz - curator, Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=421483#421483


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    Time: 06:14:47 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: mylar covered Jenny
    From: "Baldeagle" <baldeagle27@earthlink.net>
    I think it only flew like that for one summer, back in the '80s. Those photos were taken out west somewhere, it was owned by Gene Frank in Idaho at the time. Looks like two Pietenpols in the background. It hasn't flown for years, and is under long term rebuild in Virginia now, and will have normal fabric on it when finished. - -------- do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=421484#421484


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    Time: 09:55:34 PM PST US
    Subject: Information resource - Sun n Fun
    From: "William Wynne" <WilliamTCA@aol.com>
    Builders, If you are looking for another information resource, I have written an index of the 200 most popular stories on our website. They are all related to aircraft building, but even if a builder was not going to use a Corvair, there are still 70-80 stories that will be useful on carbs, oils, wiring, instruments, Piets, welding etc. If you have the time, peruse the titles, you can click on any of them to read the whole story: http://flycorvair.net/2014/04/02/200-stories-of-aircraft-building/ Vern, Lynn and myself are headed to Sun n Fun in a few hours. A number of builders are getting together at the SPA/Panther booth of Friday night for their cook out after hours. I have forums to give On Wed. Fri. Sat. at 12 noon. I will have a spare 24.25" Corvair/Piet mount with us. Looking forward to seeing a number of you there.-ww. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=421491#421491


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    Time: 11:01:54 PM PST US
    From: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
    Subject: Official Pietenpol-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions)
    Dear Listers, Please read over the Pietenpol-List Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) below. The complete Pietenpol-List FAQ including the Usage Guidelines can be found at the following URL: http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/Pietenpol-List.FAQ.html Thank you, Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator [ Note: This FAQ was designed to be displayed with a fixed width font such as Courier. Proportional fonts will cause display formatting errors. ] This FAQ can also be viewed in HTML online at the following address: http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm ************************************************************ ******* LIST POLICIES AND FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS ******* ************************************************************ PLEASE READ. This document contains Pietenpol-List policies and information for new and old subscribers. 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Pietenpol-List Policy Statement The purpose of the Pietenpol-List is to provide a forum of discussion for things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established: - Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc. - THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it. - Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. 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    Time: 11:06:35 PM PST US
    From: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
    Subject: Official Pietenpol-List Usage Guidelines
    Dear Listers, Please read over the Pietenpol-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete Pietenpol-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the following URL: http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/Pietenpol-List.FAQ.html Thank you, Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ****************************************************************************** Pietenpol-List Usage Guidelines ****************************************************************************** The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the Pietenpol-List. You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein. Failure to use the Pietenpol-List in the manner described below may result in the removal of the subscribers from the List. Pietenpol-List Policy Statement The purpose of the Pietenpol-List is to provide a forum of discussion for things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established: - Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc. - THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it. - Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and responses. - Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address, aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary space in the archive. - DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the web page or FAQ first. - If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it easy to find threads in the archive. - When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive can not be overstated! - When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the "reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your response to the original poster. You might have to actively address your response with the original poster's email address. - DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large. - When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly contribute something valuable. - Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing. - Occasional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularly subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by List members promoting their respective products or items for sale should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to everyone, including those who provide products to the entire community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists. ------- [This is an automated posting.] do not archive




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