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1. 05:53 AM - Re: aluminum cabanes (bender)
2. 06:36 AM - Re: aluminum cabanes (jarheadpilot82)
3. 07:20 AM - Re: Re: aluminum cabanes (Jack Phillips)
4. 07:32 AM - Question Re: Cabane material (William Wynne)
5. 11:58 AM - Re: aluminum cabanes (Chris Rusch)
6. 12:09 PM - windshields (Steven Dortch)
7. 12:12 PM - Re: Re: aluminum cabanes ()
8. 12:25 PM - Re: windshields (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC])
9. 12:48 PM - It is possible a AirCamper with a MTOW = 450 kg (992 lb) (nauus)
10. 01:29 PM - Question to UK Cont. eng builders (William Wynne)
11. 01:43 PM - Re: Question to UK Cont. eng builders (Jack Phillips)
12. 02:07 PM - Re: It is possible a AirCamper with a MTOW = 450 kg (992 lb) (Jack Phillips)
13. 02:17 PM - Re: Question to UK Cont. eng builders (William Wynne)
14. 02:37 PM - Re: windshields (taildrags)
15. 02:55 PM - Re: windshields (GNflyer)
16. 03:49 PM - Re: Re: aluminum cabanes (danhelsper@aol.com)
17. 04:09 PM - Re: Re: aluminum cabanes (Gary Boothe)
18. 06:04 PM - Piet Date (Douwe Blumberg)
19. 06:19 PM - Re: Piet Date (Jack Phillips)
20. 06:21 PM - Re: Piet Date (Don Emch)
21. 06:40 PM - Re: Piet Date (glenschweizer@yahoo.com)
22. 06:57 PM - Re: Piet Date (Gary Boothe)
23. 07:03 PM - Re: windshields (tools)
24. 09:02 PM - Re: Piet Date (aerocarjake)
25. 10:59 PM - Re: It is possible a AirCamper with a MTOW = 450 kg (992 lb) (nauus)
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| Subject: | Re: aluminum cabanes |
I need you guys to pay attention .. look past the passengers..
Aluminum cabanes ..and flying struts
Jeff Faith
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| Subject: | Re: aluminum cabanes |
What airplane... [Wink]
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Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
USMC, USMCR, ATP
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| Subject: | Re: aluminum cabanes |
Ah yes, I remember the photo of the naked women in your Pietenpol. I keep
hoping you'll bring them to Brodhead (and there's not much room for extra
clothing in a Piet).
Just kidding. The struts look good, Jeff.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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I need you guys to pay attention .. look past the passengers..
Aluminum cabanes ..and flying struts
Jeff Faith
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| Subject: | Re: Question Re: Cabane material |
Tools,
The EAA book, "The art of welding" has many pages in the back that show do's and
don'ts of welded joints with a particular look at the ends of struts and cabanes.
I looked on the EAA site, and they have the updated version of the book,
but I am not sure it still has the pages in question. If you go to the Steen
aero labs site:
https://secure.steenaero.com/Store/site/department.cfm?id=B67D0A06-102E-BB20-1620EBE739624319
They have a picture of the book cover of the 1991 edition, which has the drawings.
My 1987 version has a green cover with king Paul welding on it. Other than
the cover, I am pretty sure the contents are the same. Cheryl, a friend of Grace's
runs Steen and is very helpful, you can call and ask about any book. While
shopping, consider a "Skyranch engineering Manual" fantastic book on engines.
PS: Jeff Faith, you are my hero of the day, I admire your "stripped down" approach
to aircraft construction. Please consider giving a forum on this at Oshkosh.
It would be welcomed by those of us who find Pappy Boyington a better role
model than Rod Marchado.
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| Subject: | Re: aluminum cabanes |
I used Carlson on both as well.....
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I am preparing to make and mount my windscreens. I am going simple. 4
attachment points for a curved windshield.
Am I crazy? (let me rephrase that) Do my eyes decieve me? Do I see a lot of
Ford powered Pietenpols with no windscreens? I am guessing that the
radiator funcitions as a wind block of sorts.
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Blue Skies,
Steve D
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| Subject: | Re: aluminum cabanes |
Beautiful Piet Chris............
Brian
SLC-UT
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I used Carlson on both as well.....
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Steve-I used three 1/8" thick aluminum brackets to secure my windshield.
I had to T-88 epoxy (scuff sanded
both surfaces) a doubler underneath the aluminum (2024 T-3 0.024") to stiff
en the area since I elected to use
Lexan which has to be held in place and has some spring-back force. If y
ou're using Plexiglas and are
forming it or bending it to look like a 3-pce that won't apply to you.
Mike C.
Ohio
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| Subject: | It is possible a AirCamper with a MTOW = 450 kg (992 lb) |
Greetings to all and thanks for the great job done on this forum.
I am a wooden boat buldier from Catalonia (Europe). For a long time agou I am a
great lover of Pietempols.
I want to build a AirCamper ULM with European regulations specifying a maximum
take-off mass of 450 kg - 992 lbs.
You think this is possible?
What is the minimum empty weight can be achieved with a lightweight construction?
What advice can you offer me?
Furthermore I would like to know which is the empty weight of the Sky Scout?
Thank you very much
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| Subject: | Question to UK Cont. eng builders |
Here is a question to friends across the pond:
I have a UK builder interested in rebuilding a Corvair to install in a non-piet
homebuilt. He is planning on building a cost is no object engine, although we
have 73 planes of his model already flying in the US in the last 10 years with
far more modest Corvairs, and they have a track record good enough to qualify
for the lowest insurance rate offered by Falcon ins.
The UK builder has been told by almighty 'lord Donaldson' that every single nut
and bolt must arbitrarily be replaced, including the head studs, although we
have specs for testing the head studs, and we have never had one fail in the air,
and if it did it would not cause a substantial power loss.
I was just wondering if builders using 50 year old Continentals in the UK are also
required to replace every stud in their engine?
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Just to show I am not without respect for UK aviation, a link to an old story from
my website:
http://flycorvair.net/2014/02/13/10-elements-of-uk-aviation-to-admire/
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| Subject: | Question to UK Cont. eng builders |
Sounds like Lord Donaldson needs to be arbitrarily replaced.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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Subject: Pietenpol-List: Question to UK Cont. eng builders
Here is a question to friends across the pond:
I have a UK builder interested in rebuilding a Corvair to install in a
non-piet homebuilt. He is planning on building a cost is no object engine,
although we have 73 planes of his model already flying in the US in the last
10 years with far more modest Corvairs, and they have a track record good
enough to qualify for the lowest insurance rate offered by Falcon ins.
The UK builder has been told by almighty 'lord Donaldson' that every single
nut and bolt must arbitrarily be replaced, including the head studs,
although we have specs for testing the head studs, and we have never had one
fail in the air, and if it did it would not cause a substantial power loss.
I was just wondering if builders using 50 year old Continentals in the UK
are also required to replace every stud in their engine?
-----------------------------------------------
Just to show I am not without respect for UK aviation, a link to an old
story from my website:
http://flycorvair.net/2014/02/13/10-elements-of-uk-aviation-to-admire/
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| Subject: | It is possible a AirCamper with a MTOW = 450 kg (992 |
lb)
Hi Nauus,
Like most questions in aviation, the answer to your question is "It
depends." The maxiumum takeoff weight of the airplane varies by what you
put in it - how much fuel, and how heavy is the pilot and other payload.
Are you planning this as a single seat or two seat airplane?
If using it as a single seater, my own Pietenpol could qualify even though
mine is fairly heavy (338 kg or 745 lbs). Adding my 86 kg (190 lbs) would
still leave you 26 kg (57 lbs) of fuel, which would be 9.55 gallons or
36.15 liters, enough for a little over 2 hours of flying with a Continental
65 hp engine
What engine are you considering using? If using a Continental A65, there
are many Pietenpols that have been built with an empty weight of 650 lbs
(295 kg) or less. Corvair powered Pietenpols seem to tend slightly heavier.
Model A Ford Pietenpols tend to be lighter than 650 lbs, probably because
their builders know they don't have a lot of power to waste.
So let's say you are building a two seat Pietenpol, with an empty weight of
295 kg. That leaves you with 155 kg for people and fuel. Assuming you
need at least an hour's worth of fuel on board, which will be somewhere
around 14 kg of fuel, you and your passenger cannot total more than 141 kg.
Assuming you weigh about 75 kg (165 lbs), that means your passenger cannot
weigh more than 66 kg (145 lbs). This is not a bad solution - it measn that
you will be limited to carrying lightweight passengers, which tends to
include pretty young women and children. You won't have to give rides to
fat old men ("Sorry, I'd love to take you up old chap, but the law forbids
it.")
If on the other hand you weigh 141 kg by yourself, then I'd say you should
look at another design.
Good luck!
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2014 3:48 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: It is possible a AirCamper with a MTOW = 450 kg
(992 lb)
Greetings to all and thanks for the great job done on this forum.
I am a wooden boat buldier from Catalonia (Europe). For a long time agou I
am a great lover of Pietempols.
I want to build a AirCamper ULM with European regulations specifying a
maximum take-off mass of 450 kg - 992 lbs.
You think this is possible?
What is the minimum empty weight can be achieved with a lightweight
construction?
What advice can you offer me?
Furthermore I would like to know which is the empty weight of the Sky Scout?
Thank you very much
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| Subject: | Re: Question to UK Cont. eng builders |
Jack,
Our procedure for testing the Corvair's head studs is to subject the to a specific
heavy tension load of 4,000 pounds while measuring the stretch in thousands
of an inch to make sure the stud is within it's elastic limits. (The apparatus
for doing this is small, about as big as a carton of cigarettes.)
To be fair, Lord Donaldson shouldn't be replaced arbitrally, he should be tested.
My understanding of English history is that they had a device in the tower
of London called the rack, which was used by their governmental authorities of
the day to tension test humans to see if they reached their elastic limit at
a few thousand pounds. Good enough for bolts, good enough for bureaucrats.
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Just Kidding! ...... If any UK builders would like to send a private note, my email
is WilliamTCA@aol.com. Information will be held confidential, even if I am
drawn and quartered.
PS, 50% of my DNA was in the UK until 1868. I tease knowing I am making fun of
half of myself.
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Steve; yes, you are crazy. Well, let me rephrase that: no, your eyes don't deceive
you. I have seen photos of older Piets with no windscreens, or with one
only on the rear cockpit. I wouldn't leave home without mine!
I just made replacements for my curved windscreens, which actually have 5 mounting
points each. I cut them both out of a single 24"x24" piece of 3/32" acrylic
sheet from Lowe's Aircraft Supply & Lumber. The ones that they replaced were
1/8" thick and a good deal more work to spring into a curved shape than these...
but I have not flown with these yet. They don't seem like they will deflect
significantly in the airstream as compared with the 1/8" thick ones.
I cut them out using an abrasive cutting wheel on a Dremel, smoothed off the edges
with a file and sandpaper (and belt sander where it really needed hogging).
Holes were drilled with a 3/16" "Plexiglas bit" that I got from Aircraft Spruce,
then gently opened up to 7/32" with a step drill bit that came from Harbor
Freight Aero Supply. My mounting hardware consists of short AN3 bolts with
nylock nuts, and I used thin nylon washers under the bolt head and metal washer
and left the nuts just loose enough to permit some movement between the metal
and acrylic. The bolts have smooth unthreaded shanks on the part that passes
through the acrylic.
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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I made mine from 1/8" acrylic and mounted them with 4 aluminum tabs similar to
Oscar's method. except I did heat mold mine. I made a bowed plywood frame hat
would fit in the oven and laid the rough shaped plexi on it and brought the temp
up till it would relax. actually helped it lay down a little with my hands.and
shut it off and let it cool down. I will say the clarity isn't as good as
I had hoped. there is some distortion. but then I spend more time looking out
the side while flying than straight thru the shield anyway.Raymond
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| Subject: | Re: aluminum cabanes |
Wow Chris beautiful! Love those pipes!
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
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Sent: Wed, Apr 9, 2014 1:59 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: aluminum cabanes
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I used Carlson on both as well.....
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| Subject: | Re: aluminum cabanes |
Gotta nice look, Chris!
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
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NX321LR
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Marci and I had our first real Piet adventure together today. I took her on
Piet date. She's taken lots of short hops, but this was her first actual
trip; 50 minutes each way.
Had a nice weather day so we took the afternoon off and flew up to Red
Stewart Airfield in Waynesville, OH. It was cold and bumpy on the way up
but she was a good sport. The wonderful people at Red Stewart (40 I the
letter "I") lent us their car so we could drive into town and have lunch.
Had a superterrific lunch then strolled around town checking out the antique
stores. Marci found a great quilting shop and stocked up on some fabric.
We dawdled because I was watching my home field's weather (asphalt.) and
hoping the forecast was right and the crosswind would die away at sundown.
Sure enough, it did. The flight home was a gorgeous sunset flight with
RE-PIET feeling like she was on rails the whole way home.
It wasn't anything huge, but it was our first adventure together and I'm
really happy my wife had a great time.
Keep building, it's worth it!
Douwe
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Great, Douwe! Thanks for sharing. Now bring Marci in Re-Piet over here to
Smith Mountain Lake and spend a night or two with us.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Douwe
Blumberg
Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2014 9:01 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet Date
Marci and I had our first real Piet adventure together today. I took her on
Piet date. She's taken lots of short hops, but this was her first actual
trip; 50 minutes each way.
Had a nice weather day so we took the afternoon off and flew up to Red
Stewart Airfield in Waynesville, OH. It was cold and bumpy on the way up
but she was a good sport. The wonderful people at Red Stewart (40 I the
letter "I") lent us their car so we could drive into town and have lunch.
Had a superterrific lunch then strolled around town checking out the antique
stores. Marci found a great quilting shop and stocked up on some fabric.
We dawdled because I was watching my home field's weather (asphalt.) and
hoping the forecast was right and the crosswind would die away at sundown.
Sure enough, it did. The flight home was a gorgeous sunset flight with
RE-PIET feeling like she was on rails the whole way home.
It wasn't anything huge, but it was our first adventure together and I'm
really happy my wife had a great time.
Keep building, it's worth it!
Douwe
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Very Nice! This forum needs a "LIKE" Button. :)
Don Emch
NX899DE
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Hi
What do you men it wasn't anything huge! You and your wife were able to s
pend a memorable afternoon together. It even was centered around flying. W
hat could be finer than that?! HUGE! Glen
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> On Apr 9, 2014, at 6:18 PM, "Jack Phillips" <jack@bedfordlandings.com> wro
te:
>
> Great, Douwe! Thanks for sharing. Now bring Marci in Re-Piet over here t
o Smith Mountain Lake and spend a night or two with us.
>
> Jack Phillips
> NX899JP
> Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
>
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-li
st-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Douwe Blumberg
> Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2014 9:01 PM
> To: pietenpolgroup
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet Date
>
> Marci and I had our first real Piet adventure together today. I took her o
n Piet date. She=99s taken lots of short hops, but this was her first
actual trip; 50 minutes each way.
>
> Had a nice weather day so we took the afternoon off and flew up to Red Ste
wart Airfield in Waynesville, OH. It was cold and bumpy on the way up but s
he was a good sport. The wonderful people at Red Stewart (40 I the letter
=9CI=9D) lent us their car so we could drive into town and have lun
ch. Had a superterrific lunch then strolled around town checking out the an
tique stores. Marci found a great quilting shop and stocked up on some fabr
ic. We dawdled because I was watching my home field=99s weather (asph
alt) and hoping the forecast was right and the crosswind would die a
way at sundown. Sure enough, it did. The flight home was a gorgeous sunset
flight with RE-PIET feeling like she was on rails the whole way home.
>
> It wasn=99t anything huge, but it was our first adventure together a
nd I=99m really happy my wife had a great time.
>
> Keep building, it=99s worth it!
>
> Douwe
>
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Very nice, Douwe!!
Gary Boothe
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Douwe
Blumberg
Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2014 6:01 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet Date
Marci and I had our first real Piet adventure together today. I took her on
Piet date. She's taken lots of short hops, but this was her first actual
trip; 50 minutes each way.
Had a nice weather day so we took the afternoon off and flew up to Red
Stewart Airfield in Waynesville, OH. It was cold and bumpy on the way up
but she was a good sport. The wonderful people at Red Stewart (40 I the
letter "I") lent us their car so we could drive into town and have lunch.
Had a superterrific lunch then strolled around town checking out the antique
stores. Marci found a great quilting shop and stocked up on some fabric.
We dawdled because I was watching my home field's weather (asphalt.) and
hoping the forecast was right and the crosswind would die away at sundown.
Sure enough, it did. The flight home was a gorgeous sunset flight with
RE-PIET feeling like she was on rails the whole way home.
It wasn't anything huge, but it was our first adventure together and I'm
really happy my wife had a great time.
Keep building, it's worth it!
Douwe
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My windshield broke and I flew without it for some time. If wearing goggles, it
really wasn't a big deal.
Originally, the back seat had a really nice big windshield, didn't like the look
of it the best, but it was REALLY comfortable behind it, not requiring goggles
for most flying. The Piet equivalent of being behind the windscreen of a big
old Honda Goldwing or something!
I put the original shaped one back on it. Looks a little better I think, need
goggles, but not as good a ones as with without.
So, it's really a question of how do you want to fly. No eyewear, snug sunglasses
type of thing, or full on RAF or ski style goggles.
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Awesome...! Looks like something you need to Re-Piet often....!!
--------
Jake Schultz - curator,
Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
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| Subject: | Re: It is possible a AirCamper with a MTOW = 450 kg (992 |
lb)
Thanks for the comment Jack.
I'm sorry to say this but it seems the Aircamper is not a design for me.
I am a burly rugby player of 220 lb (100 kg) and did not think that in the years
following diets work better than now. By your words I can deduce that with me
only remain 122 lb (55 kg) for passanger and fuel.
I know there are ultralight replicas of the SkyScout (Ragwing, Fisher, Texas Parasol
...) but none has for me the charm of a Pietenpol.
I love the wood work in Pietempol's, the wooden cabanes and undercarriage, for
me are almost like a beautiful woman.
Has anyone thought of a ultralight design for two seater Aircamper ?
Greetings and thank you very much
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