---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 04/09/14: 25 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:53 AM - Re: aluminum cabanes (bender) 2. 06:36 AM - Re: aluminum cabanes (jarheadpilot82) 3. 07:20 AM - Re: Re: aluminum cabanes (Jack Phillips) 4. 07:32 AM - Question Re: Cabane material (William Wynne) 5. 11:58 AM - Re: aluminum cabanes (Chris Rusch) 6. 12:09 PM - windshields (Steven Dortch) 7. 12:12 PM - Re: Re: aluminum cabanes () 8. 12:25 PM - Re: windshields (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]) 9. 12:48 PM - It is possible a AirCamper with a MTOW = 450 kg (992 lb) (nauus) 10. 01:29 PM - Question to UK Cont. eng builders (William Wynne) 11. 01:43 PM - Re: Question to UK Cont. eng builders (Jack Phillips) 12. 02:07 PM - Re: It is possible a AirCamper with a MTOW = 450 kg (992 lb) (Jack Phillips) 13. 02:17 PM - Re: Question to UK Cont. eng builders (William Wynne) 14. 02:37 PM - Re: windshields (taildrags) 15. 02:55 PM - Re: windshields (GNflyer) 16. 03:49 PM - Re: Re: aluminum cabanes (danhelsper@aol.com) 17. 04:09 PM - Re: Re: aluminum cabanes (Gary Boothe) 18. 06:04 PM - Piet Date (Douwe Blumberg) 19. 06:19 PM - Re: Piet Date (Jack Phillips) 20. 06:21 PM - Re: Piet Date (Don Emch) 21. 06:40 PM - Re: Piet Date (glenschweizer@yahoo.com) 22. 06:57 PM - Re: Piet Date (Gary Boothe) 23. 07:03 PM - Re: windshields (tools) 24. 09:02 PM - Re: Piet Date (aerocarjake) 25. 10:59 PM - Re: It is possible a AirCamper with a MTOW = 450 kg (992 lb) (nauus) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:53:27 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: aluminum cabanes From: "bender" I need you guys to pay attention .. look past the passengers.. Aluminum cabanes ..and flying struts Jeff Faith Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=421815#421815 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/almost_173.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/candjpiet_144.jpg ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:36:34 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: aluminum cabanes From: "jarheadpilot82" What airplane... [Wink] -------- Semper Fi, Terry Hand Athens, GA USMC, USMCR, ATP BVD DVD PDQ BBQ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=421816#421816 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:20:52 AM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: aluminum cabanes Ah yes, I remember the photo of the naked women in your Pietenpol. I keep hoping you'll bring them to Brodhead (and there's not much room for extra clothing in a Piet). Just kidding. The struts look good, Jeff. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of bender Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2014 8:52 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: aluminum cabanes I need you guys to pay attention .. look past the passengers.. Aluminum cabanes ..and flying struts Jeff Faith Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=421815#421815 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/almost_173.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/candjpiet_144.jpg ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:32:34 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Question Re: Cabane material From: "William Wynne" Tools, The EAA book, "The art of welding" has many pages in the back that show do's and don'ts of welded joints with a particular look at the ends of struts and cabanes. I looked on the EAA site, and they have the updated version of the book, but I am not sure it still has the pages in question. If you go to the Steen aero labs site: https://secure.steenaero.com/Store/site/department.cfm?id=B67D0A06-102E-BB20-1620EBE739624319 They have a picture of the book cover of the 1991 edition, which has the drawings. My 1987 version has a green cover with king Paul welding on it. Other than the cover, I am pretty sure the contents are the same. Cheryl, a friend of Grace's runs Steen and is very helpful, you can call and ask about any book. While shopping, consider a "Skyranch engineering Manual" fantastic book on engines. PS: Jeff Faith, you are my hero of the day, I admire your "stripped down" approach to aircraft construction. Please consider giving a forum on this at Oshkosh. It would be welcomed by those of us who find Pappy Boyington a better role model than Rod Marchado. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=421820#421820 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 11:58:54 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: aluminum cabanes From: "Chris Rusch" I used Carlson on both as well..... -------- NX321LR Now test flying!! Mitsubishi Powered Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=421832#421832 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_3479_152.jpg ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 12:09:31 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: windshields From: Steven Dortch I am preparing to make and mount my windscreens. I am going simple. 4 attachment points for a curved windshield. Am I crazy? (let me rephrase that) Do my eyes decieve me? Do I see a lot of Ford powered Pietenpols with no windscreens? I am guessing that the radiator funcitions as a wind block of sorts. -- Blue Skies, Steve D ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 12:12:15 PM PST US From: Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: aluminum cabanes Beautiful Piet Chris............ Brian SLC-UT -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris Rusch Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2014 12:58 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: aluminum cabanes --> I used Carlson on both as well..... -------- NX321LR Now test flying!! Mitsubishi Powered Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=421832#421832 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_3479_152.jpg ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 12:25:04 PM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: windshields Steve-I used three 1/8" thick aluminum brackets to secure my windshield. I had to T-88 epoxy (scuff sanded both surfaces) a doubler underneath the aluminum (2024 T-3 0.024") to stiff en the area since I elected to use Lexan which has to be held in place and has some spring-back force. If y ou're using Plexiglas and are forming it or bending it to look like a 3-pce that won't apply to you. Mike C. Ohio [cid:image001.jpg@01CF5407.CA7DA590] [cid:image002.png@01CF5407.CA7DA590 ] [cid:image003.jpg@01CF5407.CA7DA590] ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 12:48:09 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: It is possible a AirCamper with a MTOW = 450 kg (992 lb) From: "nauus" Greetings to all and thanks for the great job done on this forum. I am a wooden boat buldier from Catalonia (Europe). For a long time agou I am a great lover of Pietempols. I want to build a AirCamper ULM with European regulations specifying a maximum take-off mass of 450 kg - 992 lbs. You think this is possible? What is the minimum empty weight can be achieved with a lightweight construction? What advice can you offer me? Furthermore I would like to know which is the empty weight of the Sky Scout? Thank you very much Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=421837#421837 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 01:29:24 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Question to UK Cont. eng builders From: "William Wynne" Here is a question to friends across the pond: I have a UK builder interested in rebuilding a Corvair to install in a non-piet homebuilt. He is planning on building a cost is no object engine, although we have 73 planes of his model already flying in the US in the last 10 years with far more modest Corvairs, and they have a track record good enough to qualify for the lowest insurance rate offered by Falcon ins. The UK builder has been told by almighty 'lord Donaldson' that every single nut and bolt must arbitrarily be replaced, including the head studs, although we have specs for testing the head studs, and we have never had one fail in the air, and if it did it would not cause a substantial power loss. I was just wondering if builders using 50 year old Continentals in the UK are also required to replace every stud in their engine? ----------------------------------------------- Just to show I am not without respect for UK aviation, a link to an old story from my website: http://flycorvair.net/2014/02/13/10-elements-of-uk-aviation-to-admire/ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=421842#421842 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 01:43:29 PM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Question to UK Cont. eng builders Sounds like Lord Donaldson needs to be arbitrarily replaced. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of William Wynne Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2014 4:29 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Question to UK Cont. eng builders Here is a question to friends across the pond: I have a UK builder interested in rebuilding a Corvair to install in a non-piet homebuilt. He is planning on building a cost is no object engine, although we have 73 planes of his model already flying in the US in the last 10 years with far more modest Corvairs, and they have a track record good enough to qualify for the lowest insurance rate offered by Falcon ins. The UK builder has been told by almighty 'lord Donaldson' that every single nut and bolt must arbitrarily be replaced, including the head studs, although we have specs for testing the head studs, and we have never had one fail in the air, and if it did it would not cause a substantial power loss. I was just wondering if builders using 50 year old Continentals in the UK are also required to replace every stud in their engine? ----------------------------------------------- Just to show I am not without respect for UK aviation, a link to an old story from my website: http://flycorvair.net/2014/02/13/10-elements-of-uk-aviation-to-admire/ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=421842#421842 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 02:07:14 PM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: It is possible a AirCamper with a MTOW = 450 kg (992 lb) Hi Nauus, Like most questions in aviation, the answer to your question is "It depends." The maxiumum takeoff weight of the airplane varies by what you put in it - how much fuel, and how heavy is the pilot and other payload. Are you planning this as a single seat or two seat airplane? If using it as a single seater, my own Pietenpol could qualify even though mine is fairly heavy (338 kg or 745 lbs). Adding my 86 kg (190 lbs) would still leave you 26 kg (57 lbs) of fuel, which would be 9.55 gallons or 36.15 liters, enough for a little over 2 hours of flying with a Continental 65 hp engine What engine are you considering using? If using a Continental A65, there are many Pietenpols that have been built with an empty weight of 650 lbs (295 kg) or less. Corvair powered Pietenpols seem to tend slightly heavier. Model A Ford Pietenpols tend to be lighter than 650 lbs, probably because their builders know they don't have a lot of power to waste. So let's say you are building a two seat Pietenpol, with an empty weight of 295 kg. That leaves you with 155 kg for people and fuel. Assuming you need at least an hour's worth of fuel on board, which will be somewhere around 14 kg of fuel, you and your passenger cannot total more than 141 kg. Assuming you weigh about 75 kg (165 lbs), that means your passenger cannot weigh more than 66 kg (145 lbs). This is not a bad solution - it measn that you will be limited to carrying lightweight passengers, which tends to include pretty young women and children. You won't have to give rides to fat old men ("Sorry, I'd love to take you up old chap, but the law forbids it.") If on the other hand you weigh 141 kg by yourself, then I'd say you should look at another design. Good luck! Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of nauus Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2014 3:48 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: It is possible a AirCamper with a MTOW = 450 kg (992 lb) Greetings to all and thanks for the great job done on this forum. I am a wooden boat buldier from Catalonia (Europe). For a long time agou I am a great lover of Pietempols. I want to build a AirCamper ULM with European regulations specifying a maximum take-off mass of 450 kg - 992 lbs. You think this is possible? What is the minimum empty weight can be achieved with a lightweight construction? What advice can you offer me? Furthermore I would like to know which is the empty weight of the Sky Scout? Thank you very much Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=421837#421837 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 02:17:08 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Question to UK Cont. eng builders From: "William Wynne" Jack, Our procedure for testing the Corvair's head studs is to subject the to a specific heavy tension load of 4,000 pounds while measuring the stretch in thousands of an inch to make sure the stud is within it's elastic limits. (The apparatus for doing this is small, about as big as a carton of cigarettes.) To be fair, Lord Donaldson shouldn't be replaced arbitrally, he should be tested. My understanding of English history is that they had a device in the tower of London called the rack, which was used by their governmental authorities of the day to tension test humans to see if they reached their elastic limit at a few thousand pounds. Good enough for bolts, good enough for bureaucrats. ---------------------------- Just Kidding! ...... If any UK builders would like to send a private note, my email is WilliamTCA@aol.com. Information will be held confidential, even if I am drawn and quartered. PS, 50% of my DNA was in the UK until 1868. I tease knowing I am making fun of half of myself. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=421848#421848 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 02:37:52 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: windshields From: "taildrags" Steve; yes, you are crazy. Well, let me rephrase that: no, your eyes don't deceive you. I have seen photos of older Piets with no windscreens, or with one only on the rear cockpit. I wouldn't leave home without mine! I just made replacements for my curved windscreens, which actually have 5 mounting points each. I cut them both out of a single 24"x24" piece of 3/32" acrylic sheet from Lowe's Aircraft Supply & Lumber. The ones that they replaced were 1/8" thick and a good deal more work to spring into a curved shape than these... but I have not flown with these yet. They don't seem like they will deflect significantly in the airstream as compared with the 1/8" thick ones. I cut them out using an abrasive cutting wheel on a Dremel, smoothed off the edges with a file and sandpaper (and belt sander where it really needed hogging). Holes were drilled with a 3/16" "Plexiglas bit" that I got from Aircraft Spruce, then gently opened up to 7/32" with a step drill bit that came from Harbor Freight Aero Supply. My mounting hardware consists of short AN3 bolts with nylock nuts, and I used thin nylon washers under the bolt head and metal washer and left the nuts just loose enough to permit some movement between the metal and acrylic. The bolts have smooth unthreaded shanks on the part that passes through the acrylic. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=421849#421849 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 02:55:56 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: windshields From: "GNflyer" I made mine from 1/8" acrylic and mounted them with 4 aluminum tabs similar to Oscar's method. except I did heat mold mine. I made a bowed plywood frame hat would fit in the oven and laid the rough shaped plexi on it and brought the temp up till it would relax. actually helped it lay down a little with my hands.and shut it off and let it cool down. I will say the clarity isn't as good as I had hoped. there is some distortion. but then I spend more time looking out the side while flying than straight thru the shield anyway.Raymond Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=421850#421850 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 03:49:08 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: aluminum cabanes From: danhelsper@aol.com Wow Chris beautiful! Love those pipes! Dan Helsper Puryear, TN -----Original Message----- From: Chris Rusch Sent: Wed, Apr 9, 2014 1:59 pm Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: aluminum cabanes > I used Carlson on both as well..... -------- NX321LR Now test flying!! Mitsubishi Powered Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=421832#421832 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_3479_152.jpg ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 04:09:01 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: aluminum cabanes Gotta nice look, Chris! Gary Boothe NX308MB -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris Rusch Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2014 11:58 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: aluminum cabanes --> I used Carlson on both as well..... -------- NX321LR Now test flying!! Mitsubishi Powered Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=421832#421832 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_3479_152.jpg ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 06:04:39 PM PST US From: "Douwe Blumberg" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet Date Marci and I had our first real Piet adventure together today. I took her on Piet date. She's taken lots of short hops, but this was her first actual trip; 50 minutes each way. Had a nice weather day so we took the afternoon off and flew up to Red Stewart Airfield in Waynesville, OH. It was cold and bumpy on the way up but she was a good sport. The wonderful people at Red Stewart (40 I the letter "I") lent us their car so we could drive into town and have lunch. Had a superterrific lunch then strolled around town checking out the antique stores. Marci found a great quilting shop and stocked up on some fabric. We dawdled because I was watching my home field's weather (asphalt.) and hoping the forecast was right and the crosswind would die away at sundown. Sure enough, it did. The flight home was a gorgeous sunset flight with RE-PIET feeling like she was on rails the whole way home. It wasn't anything huge, but it was our first adventure together and I'm really happy my wife had a great time. Keep building, it's worth it! Douwe ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 06:19:56 PM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Piet Date Great, Douwe! Thanks for sharing. Now bring Marci in Re-Piet over here to Smith Mountain Lake and spend a night or two with us. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Douwe Blumberg Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2014 9:01 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet Date Marci and I had our first real Piet adventure together today. I took her on Piet date. She's taken lots of short hops, but this was her first actual trip; 50 minutes each way. Had a nice weather day so we took the afternoon off and flew up to Red Stewart Airfield in Waynesville, OH. It was cold and bumpy on the way up but she was a good sport. The wonderful people at Red Stewart (40 I the letter "I") lent us their car so we could drive into town and have lunch. Had a superterrific lunch then strolled around town checking out the antique stores. Marci found a great quilting shop and stocked up on some fabric. We dawdled because I was watching my home field's weather (asphalt.) and hoping the forecast was right and the crosswind would die away at sundown. Sure enough, it did. The flight home was a gorgeous sunset flight with RE-PIET feeling like she was on rails the whole way home. It wasn't anything huge, but it was our first adventure together and I'm really happy my wife had a great time. Keep building, it's worth it! Douwe ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 06:21:40 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet Date From: "Don Emch" Very Nice! This forum needs a "LIKE" Button. :) Don Emch NX899DE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=421856#421856 ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 06:40:07 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piet Date From: glenschweizer@yahoo.com Hi What do you men it wasn't anything huge! You and your wife were able to s pend a memorable afternoon together. It even was centered around flying. W hat could be finer than that?! HUGE! Glen Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 9, 2014, at 6:18 PM, "Jack Phillips" wro te: > > Great, Douwe! Thanks for sharing. Now bring Marci in Re-Piet over here t o Smith Mountain Lake and spend a night or two with us. > > Jack Phillips > NX899JP > Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia > > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-li st-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Douwe Blumberg > Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2014 9:01 PM > To: pietenpolgroup > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet Date > > Marci and I had our first real Piet adventure together today. I took her o n Piet date. She=99s taken lots of short hops, but this was her first actual trip; 50 minutes each way. > > Had a nice weather day so we took the afternoon off and flew up to Red Ste wart Airfield in Waynesville, OH. It was cold and bumpy on the way up but s he was a good sport. The wonderful people at Red Stewart (40 I the letter =9CI=9D) lent us their car so we could drive into town and have lun ch. Had a superterrific lunch then strolled around town checking out the an tique stores. Marci found a great quilting shop and stocked up on some fabr ic. We dawdled because I was watching my home field=99s weather (asph alt) and hoping the forecast was right and the crosswind would die a way at sundown. Sure enough, it did. The flight home was a gorgeous sunset flight with RE-PIET feeling like she was on rails the whole way home. > > It wasn=99t anything huge, but it was our first adventure together a nd I=99m really happy my wife had a great time. > > Keep building, it=99s worth it! > > Douwe > > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 06:57:12 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Piet Date Very nice, Douwe!! Gary Boothe NX308MB From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Douwe Blumberg Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2014 6:01 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet Date Marci and I had our first real Piet adventure together today. I took her on Piet date. She's taken lots of short hops, but this was her first actual trip; 50 minutes each way. Had a nice weather day so we took the afternoon off and flew up to Red Stewart Airfield in Waynesville, OH. It was cold and bumpy on the way up but she was a good sport. The wonderful people at Red Stewart (40 I the letter "I") lent us their car so we could drive into town and have lunch. Had a superterrific lunch then strolled around town checking out the antique stores. Marci found a great quilting shop and stocked up on some fabric. We dawdled because I was watching my home field's weather (asphalt.) and hoping the forecast was right and the crosswind would die away at sundown. Sure enough, it did. The flight home was a gorgeous sunset flight with RE-PIET feeling like she was on rails the whole way home. It wasn't anything huge, but it was our first adventure together and I'm really happy my wife had a great time. Keep building, it's worth it! Douwe ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 07:03:44 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: windshields From: "tools" My windshield broke and I flew without it for some time. If wearing goggles, it really wasn't a big deal. Originally, the back seat had a really nice big windshield, didn't like the look of it the best, but it was REALLY comfortable behind it, not requiring goggles for most flying. The Piet equivalent of being behind the windscreen of a big old Honda Goldwing or something! I put the original shaped one back on it. Looks a little better I think, need goggles, but not as good a ones as with without. So, it's really a question of how do you want to fly. No eyewear, snug sunglasses type of thing, or full on RAF or ski style goggles. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=421859#421859 ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 09:02:37 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet Date From: "aerocarjake" Awesome...! Looks like something you need to Re-Piet often....!! -------- Jake Schultz - curator, Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=421860#421860 ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 10:59:50 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: It is possible a AirCamper with a MTOW = 450 kg (992 lb) From: "nauus" Thanks for the comment Jack. I'm sorry to say this but it seems the Aircamper is not a design for me. I am a burly rugby player of 220 lb (100 kg) and did not think that in the years following diets work better than now. By your words I can deduce that with me only remain 122 lb (55 kg) for passanger and fuel. I know there are ultralight replicas of the SkyScout (Ragwing, Fisher, Texas Parasol ...) but none has for me the charm of a Pietenpol. I love the wood work in Pietempol's, the wooden cabanes and undercarriage, for me are almost like a beautiful woman. Has anyone thought of a ultralight design for two seater Aircamper ? 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