---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 04/28/14: 15 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:19 AM - Re: GN-1 Landing Gear mount fairing (John Franklin) 2. 04:37 AM - Re: Re: Trick (John Kuhfahl) 3. 06:37 AM - Re: Re: Trick (shad bell) 4. 08:23 AM - Re: West Coast Piet Fly-In (Jim Boyer) 5. 10:20 AM - Shielded mag switches... (Ray Krause) 6. 11:18 AM - Re: Shielded mag switches... (Dale Johnson) 7. 01:51 PM - Re: Shielded mag switches... (taildrags) 8. 02:08 PM - Re: Re: Shielded mag switches... (jim hyde) 9. 04:16 PM - Re: Sky Scout with Corvair (ribill7) 10. 06:16 PM - High quality PIET construction (planes&bikes) 11. 07:35 PM - Re: Shielded mag switches... (Ray Krause) 12. 07:37 PM - Re: Re: Shielded mag switches... (Ray Krause) 13. 07:48 PM - Re: High quality PIET construction (jarheadpilot82) 14. 07:48 PM - Re: Trick (tools) 15. 10:30 PM - Re: Shielded mag switches... (glenschweizer@yahoo.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:19:06 AM PST US From: John Franklin Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: GN-1 Landing Gear mount fairing Hi Peter, I am also close to covering my GN-1 fuselage, and I _think_ what Oscar is referring to with the aluminum is like what DJ Vegh did as shown in this link: http://www.imagedv.com/aircamper/log/image-pages/02-19-05.htm I'm hoping that will work as opposed to wood fairings, which would add considerable weight. I did use wood fairings around my top engine mount brackets and will cover them with aluminum panels to allow for inspection and access. See following link: http://s897.photobucket.com/user/az-gold/media/CC%2028%20San%20Marcos%20TX%20%20%20Feb%2028%20-%20March%202%20%202014/DSCF0252.jpg.html Regards, John Franklin GN-1 / Corvair 164cid Prairie Aire 4TA0 Needville, TX -----Original Message----- From: Peter Johnson Sent: Apr 27, 2014 6:32 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: GN-1 Landing Gear mount fairing Hi Guys, I am about ready to cover my GN-1 and was wondering if anybody had any ideas about the landing gear mount fairing. I have added some wood stringers under the fuse that stop either side of the gear mounts (see page two of the photos page on the website). Is this area faired or just left as is. Pics would be useful. Cheers PeterWonthaggi Australiahttp://repiet.cpc-world.com ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:37:11 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Trick From: John Kuhfahl http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/hapages/instmountnuts.php Oscar, Click on link above. I use these "frogs" when I can. Some old instruments can't accept them. On Sun, Apr 27, 2014 at 10:42 PM, taildrags wrote: > > Coulda used that trick several times in the past ;o) Got a trick for how > to get small brass nuts on the brass screws that are used to mount > instruments to the instrument panel? Those @#$%& things are so small and > difficult to start on the screws back inside the panel while wrapping your > arms around the top cowling to hold the screw head in place... and not able > to see any of it (working by feel, dropping the nut and tiny lockwasher). > Space is tight back in there around the instruments, too. > > -------- > Oscar Zuniga > Medford, OR > Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" > A75 power > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=422490#422490 > > -- John Kuhfahl, Lt Col USAF (Ret), President, KUHLCOUPER LLC ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:37:07 AM PST US From: shad bell Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Trick That's a funny looking cotterpin????- Just kidding ya, those little trick s are life savers....at least time savers.=0A-=0AShad=0AOn Monday, April 28, 2014 7:43 AM, John Kuhfahl wrote:=0A =0Ahttp:// www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/hapages/instmountnuts.php=0A=0A=0AOscar,=0AC lick on link above.- I use these "frogs" when I can.- Some old instrume nts can't accept them.=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AOn Sun, Apr 27, 2014 at 10:42 PM, tail drags wrote:=0A=0A--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "taildrags" =0A>=0A>Coulda used that trick seve ral times in the past ;o) -Got a trick for how to get small brass nuts on the brass screws that are used to mount instruments to the instrument pane l? -Those @#$%& things are so small and difficult to start on the screws back inside the panel while wrapping your arms around the top cowling to ho ld the screw head in place... and not able to see any of it (working by fee l, dropping the nut and tiny lockwasher). -Space is tight back in there a round the instruments, too.=0A>=0A>--------=0A>Oscar Zuniga=0A>Medford, OR =0A>Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"=0A>A75 power=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>Read this top ic online here:=0A>=0A>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=422490 #422490=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>============0A >br>=0A-List" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpo l-List=0A>============0A>MS -=0A>k">http://forums.mat ronics.com=0A>============0A>e -=0A>- - - - --Matt Dralle, List Admin.=0A>t="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contr ibution=0A>============0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A=0A=0A-- =0A ============= ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:23:03 AM PST US From: Jim Boyer Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: West Coast Piet Fly-In We will keep on trying to help you mentally get it ready to fly down to Frazier Lake. We are all looking forward to meeting you Oscar. Cheers, Jim B. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:20:51 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Shielded mag switches... From: Ray Krause Quick question, and I know this has been covered before...BUT: Should the shield of the shielded wire from the mags to the switches be grounded on BOTH ENDS, or ONLY ONE END; and if one end, WHICH END? Or does it really matter? Thanks, Ray Krause Still working on SkyScout Sent from my iPad ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 11:18:07 AM PST US From: "Dale Johnson" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Shielded mag switches... Ray Ground it at the Mag end only . If yoy ground it at both ends it will set up edy curents and cause more noise. Dale ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray Krause" Sent: Monday, April 28, 2014 12:20 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Shielded mag switches... > > > Quick question, and I know this has been covered before...BUT: > > Should the shield of the shielded wire from the mags to the switches be > grounded on BOTH ENDS, or ONLY ONE END; and if one end, WHICH END? Or does > it really matter? > > Thanks, > > Ray Krause > Still working on SkyScout > > Sent from my iPad > > > --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 01:51:39 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Shielded mag switches... From: "taildrags" Mine are not grounded at the switch either. I clipped off the braid at that end and then used a little heat-shrink tubing to cover that part of the wire. I had heard the same thing about the possibility of circular currents. I have not yet had a chance to operate my handheld in the cockpit to see if the grounding scheme and shielded harness have taken care of ignition noise, but I'll soon find out. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=422523#422523 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 02:08:16 PM PST US From: jim hyde Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Shielded mag switches... no brainer.. you can not over shield so why think about it .. just shield i t=0AOn Monday, April 28, 2014 3:58 PM, taildrags wr tmail.com>=0A=0AMine are not grounded at the switch either.- I clipped of f the braid at that end and then used a little heat-shrink tubing to cover that part of the wire.- I had heard the same thing about the possibility of circular currents.- I have not yet had a chance to operate my handheld in the cockpit to see if the grounding scheme and shielded harness have ta ken care of ignition noise, but I'll soon find out.=0A=0A--------=0AOscar Z uniga=0AMedford, OR=0AAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"=0AA75 power=0A=0A =0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/view ========= ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 04:16:19 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Sky Scout with Corvair From: "ribill7" Ok Dick.I will call you in a few weeks. Are you using the plans supplied by The Pietenpol family? Are they the same ones that are printed in the Flying and Gliding Mag reprint from 1933. Or are they actual plans with a little more detail to them? I have not ordered the plans yet. I have a couple of engines that I'm working on dismantling for at least one good one. Are you going with traditional wood or Steel tubing? Thanks much, BE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=422527#422527 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 06:16:59 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: High quality PIET construction From: "planes&bikes" Check out the nice work on www.stoinoff.com/piet. -------- Planes&Bikes Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=422530#422530 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 07:35:55 PM PST US From: Ray Krause Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Shielded mag switches... Thanks, Dale. That what I will do. Sure is a great way to get a quick answer. Ray Krause Sent from my iPad > On Apr 28, 2014, at 11:17 AM, "Dale Johnson" wrote: > > > Ray > > Ground it at the Mag end only . If yoy ground it at both ends it will set up edy curents and cause more noise. > > Dale > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray Krause" > To: > Sent: Monday, April 28, 2014 12:20 PM > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Shielded mag switches... > > >> >> Quick question, and I know this has been covered before...BUT: >> >> Should the shield of the shielded wire from the mags to the switches be grounded on BOTH ENDS, or ONLY ONE END; and if one end, WHICH END? Or does it really matter? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Ray Krause >> Still working on SkyScout >> >> Sent from my iPad > > > --- > This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. > http://www.avast.com > > > > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 07:37:48 PM PST US From: Ray Krause Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Shielded mag switches... Oscar, Please let me know how the ignition shielding works. Ray Krause PS: sure hope you make it to our FLYIN! Sent from my iPad > On Apr 28, 2014, at 1:51 PM, "taildrags" wrote: > > > Mine are not grounded at the switch either. I clipped off the braid at that end and then used a little heat-shrink tubing to cover that part of the wire. I had heard the same thing about the possibility of circular currents. I have not yet had a chance to operate my handheld in the cockpit to see if the grounding scheme and shielded harness have taken care of ignition noise, but I'll soon find out. > > -------- > Oscar Zuniga > Medford, OR > Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" > A75 power > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=422523#422523 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 07:48:00 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: High quality PIET construction From: "jarheadpilot82" Your link doesn't work. -------- Semper Fi, Terry Hand Athens, GA USMC, USMCR, ATP BVD DVD PDQ BBQ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=422534#422534 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 07:48:42 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Trick From: "tools" That is brilliant. FWIW, I use modeling clay for in places like you mention. Started using heavy grease in auto applications, and morphed to the clay which works better and in more places. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=422535#422535 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 10:30:45 PM PST US From: glenschweizer@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Shielded mag switches... Hey Ray When something is grounded it electrically doesn't matter the shielding is there the to prevent the magnetic flux from radiating any further than the shielding. Grounding to the same ground as the Mag is great make sure that all grounds are common. Engine, fuel system . Metal cowling, I'm probably going to kick the hornets nest on this but anything made of metal needs to be grounded. Any metallic object and a lot of plastics can radiate rf energy and cause static probs. just my $.02 Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 28, 2014, at 10:20 AM, Ray Krause wrote: > > > Quick question, and I know this has been covered before...BUT: > > Should the shield of the shielded wire from the mags to the switches be grounded on BOTH ENDS, or ONLY ONE END; and if one end, WHICH END? Or does it really matter? > > Thanks, > > Ray Krause > Still working on SkyScout > > Sent from my iPad > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.