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1. 03:27 AM - Re: GN-1 Landing Gear mount fairing (John Franklin)
2. 05:11 AM - cushions (Douwe Blumberg)
3. 06:33 AM - Re: Seat cushons (AircamperN11MS)
4. 07:29 AM - Re: Seat cushons (aerocarjake)
5. 07:42 AM - Re: Seat cushons (AircamperN11MS)
6. 09:10 AM - Re: Re: Seat cushons (Steven Dortch)
7. 09:29 AM - Re: Seat cushons (AircamperN11MS)
8. 09:32 AM - Re: Seat cushons (taildrags)
9. 09:59 AM - what seat cushions? (or Walmart) (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC])
10. 10:30 AM - Re: what seat cushions? (or Walmart) (AircamperN11MS)
11. 10:41 AM - Re: Re: what seat cushions? (or Walmart) (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC])
12. 10:59 AM - and for the record (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC])
13. 11:47 AM - Re: and for the record (Ken Bickers)
14. 11:57 AM - Re: and for the record (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC])
15. 12:22 PM - Re: Re: Seat cushons (Boatright, Jeffrey)
16. 12:39 PM - Re: Seat cushons (AircamperN11MS)
17. 01:03 PM - Re: Seat cushons (Catdesigns)
18. 01:51 PM - Re: Re: Seat cushons (Boatright, Jeffrey)
19. 07:03 PM - Re: Re: Seat cushons (Steven Dortch)
20. 07:46 PM - Re: Re: Seat cushons (Gary Boothe)
21. 11:01 PM - Official Pietenpol-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) (Matt Dralle)
22. 11:06 PM - Official Pietenpol-List Usage Guidelines (Matt Dralle)
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| Subject: | Re: GN-1 Landing Gear mount fairing |
Peter,
My GN-1 has the cross braces but not the "N" shaped tube bracing. I think the
plans call for two thin wood strips on the bottom of the fuselage (like the ones
on the side) as well, but I'll have to check tonight. I was thinking that
the thin wood strips on the bottom would be interrupted by the cross braces but
I had planned to bridge the gaps on the wooden strips with aluminum "U" channel.
I hope I'm making this clear and perhaps when I get that far along I can
send pix as well.
I think it's a good idea to reinforce the gear area as my mentor Jim Sury actually
cracked his GN-1 fuselage on one of his first few flights. At his suggestion,
I added some extra wood bracing in that area of the inside of the fuselage.
Regards,
John
-----Original Message-----
>From: Peter Johnson <vk3eka@bigpond.net.au>
>Sent: May 1, 2014 1:42 AM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: GN-1 Landing Gear mount fairing
>
>
>John,
>
>Thanks, its not so much the wing fittings etc but the area under the fuse
>where the gear framework is fitted. This is a link to a photo of the
>original frame i.e. No fairing at all, no additional stringers either.
>
>http://repiet.cpc-world.com/images/DSC00140_JPG.jpg
>
>
>Cheers
>
>Peter
>
>
>On 28/04/2014 9:18 pm, "John Franklin" <jbfjr@peoplepc.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>Hi Peter,
>>
>>I am also close to covering my GN-1 fuselage, and I _think_ what Oscar is
>>referring to with the aluminum is like what DJ Vegh did as shown in this
>>link: http://www.imagedv.com/aircamper/log/image-pages/02-19-05.htm
>>
>>I'm hoping that will work as opposed to wood fairings, which would add
>>considerable weight. I did use wood fairings around my top engine mount
>>brackets and will cover them with aluminum panels to allow for inspection
>>and access. See following link:
>>http://s897.photobucket.com/user/az-gold/media/CC%2028%20San%20Marcos%20TX
>>%20%20%20Feb%2028%20-%20March%202%20%202014/DSCF0252.jpg.html
>>
>>
>>Regards,
>>John Franklin
>>GN-1 / Corvair 164cid
>>Prairie Aire 4TA0
>>Needville, TX
>>-----Original Message-----
>>
>>From: Peter Johnson
>>
>>Sent: Apr 27, 2014 6:32 AM
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>>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
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>>Subject: Pietenpol-List: GN-1 Landing Gear mount fairing
>>
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>>Hi Guys,
>>I am about ready to cover my GN-1 and was wondering if anybody had any
>>ideas about the landing gear mount fairing. I have added some wood
>>stringers under the fuse that stop either side of the gear mounts (see
>>page two of the photos page on the website). Is this area faired or just
>>left as is.
>>Pics would be useful.
>>Cheers
>>PeterWonthaggi Australiahttp://repiet.cpc-world.com
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Hello good people!
There seem to be two "basic" foam-types regularly available to us. Open and closed
cell foam.
Think of open cell foam as a sponge. It's a matrix of cavities in the sponge material
which are all interconnected and link to the outside so when compressed,
the air is forced out leaving just the sponge material supporting you.
Closed cell is more like a piece of swiss cheese where the bubbles are not connected
to eachother or the outside and when compressed, act as little balloons
making the foam material AND the compressed air in each little bubble provide
the support.
Closed cell is a bit heavier but doesn't squash down as much and loose it's cushioning
ability when compressed.
Memory foam is like this.
My cushion is made of a couple 1/2" layers of fairly firm closed cell foam with
a cut up memory foam neck pillow I found on amazon for $14. It even had a nice
wedge shape which works well.
longest flight yet was a 2.5 hr leg from Brodhead home and my butt wasn't sore
when I landed. (other things were sore, but NOT the bottom!)
Douwe
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| Subject: | Re: Seat cushons |
Steve,
Attached is a side view of mine. I assume you guys are talking about the pilots
seat. The top of my seat back cross member is moved two inches to the rear.
That makes it a little reclined. The cushions I have are actually Cessna 150
seat cushions. It may be tricky to do if you fuse is already built. We did
this modification to mine back in the 1980's. Like Gary said, it is very comfortable.
The front seat lower cushion is that expensive triple layered/density foam about
3 inches thick and the seat back is just a one inch single density foam. The
only down side to the lower cushion is that it is as hard as a rock when it
is cold out. When cold out I put it in my truck with the heater blowing on it
during pre-flight to soften it up.
So, there you go. Maybe this helps.
--------
Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=422660#422660
Attachments:
http://forums.matronics.com//files/piet_105_126.jpg
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| Subject: | Re: Seat cushons |
Good second picture but the first "seat" picture sure looks like a tailwheel...!!
LOTS of wonderful information in that fuselage side view - thanks...!
--------
Jake Schultz - curator,
Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
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| Subject: | Re: Seat cushons |
Funny you commented about the tailwheel pic. Both of those pics were scanned together
and are now one attachment. Consider it to be a bonus Pic. BTW, I changed
out that tailwheel assembly because it made the plane handle like a Pitts
when landing. The new assembly makes it a pussy-cat to land now.
--------
Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=422666#422666
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| Subject: | Re: Seat cushons |
That Photo (the sideview, not the tailwheel) motivates and inspires me to
make it like your rear seat.It also gives me ideas for the front seat.
Thanks for posting them.
BTW Looking at your steel tube fuselage. It has a very different feel than
the Wood frame. Man that looks like a generation newer technology. radio
mounts fittings attached to metal tubes.
Also are the front to rear bracing wires on the left side of the front seat
standard? I have not seen that on any Piets or Gregas.
Thanks again, I learn and am often motivated by almost every photo of a
Piet I see.
Blue Skies,
Steve D
On Thu, May 1, 2014 at 8:32 AM, AircamperN11MS <Scott.liefeld@lacity.org>wrote:
> Scott.liefeld@lacity.org>
>
> Steve,
>
> Attached is a side view of mine. I assume you guys are talking about the
> pilots seat. The top of my seat back cross member is moved two inches to
> the rear. That makes it a little reclined. The cushions I have are
> actually Cessna 150 seat cushions. It may be tricky to do if you fuse is
> already built. We did this modification to mine back in the 1980's. Like
> Gary said, it is very comfortable.
>
> The front seat lower cushion is that expensive triple layered/density foam
> about 3 inches thick and the seat back is just a one inch single density
> foam. The only down side to the lower cushion is that it is as hard as a
> rock when it is cold out. When cold out I put it in my truck with the
> heater blowing on it during pre-flight to soften it up.
>
> So, there you go. Maybe this helps.
>
> --------
> Scott Liefeld
> Flying N11MS since March 1972
> Steel Tube
> C-85-12
> Wire Wheels
> Brodhead in 1996
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=422660#422660
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/piet_105_126.jpg
>
>
--
Blue Skies,
Steve D
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| Subject: | Re: Seat cushons |
Steve,
Yes the cross wires are on the left side on my plane. We put a door in for the
front seat on the right side of the plane. The door is on the R/S to allow for
no disruption of the throttle linkage on the L/S. Most Piets have the cross
wires on the right hand side. There are also some Piets out there without any
cross wires. My forward diagonal cabane supports are not very large in diameter
and I feel better having the cross cables for the extra support in a sudden
stop. If that makes any sense.
--------
Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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| Subject: | Re: Seat cushons |
Steve; the seat cushions and coverings in 41CC are minimalist; naugahyde over conventional
"hobby store" foam (and not much of it), wrapped around the plywood
pieces and stapled on the back. I doubt if any of the foam was more than an
inch thick when it was new. The seat back really doesn't matter, because I find
myself leaning forward in flight anyway, to get out of the slipstream. The
back does need padding, but I don't recline and I don't notice the seat back
much anyway, so getting fancy wouldn't make a difference. The front seat is
similar.
The main mission of this airplane can be captured and summarized by the in-flight
vignettes on Mike Cuy's video. You preflight, launch, go enjoy the countryside
and the air and the view, then you let the airplane teach you some stick
and rudder lessons as you get back in the pattern and shoot some landings. After
you put the airplane away and look back on your flight, comfort isn't one
of the main factors upon which you rate the experience you've just had.
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| Subject: | what seat cushions? (or Walmart) |
Steve,
I've never had seat cushions in my Pietenpol and it has been fine but then
again I am a full-figured girl so
don't need any extra padding.
If you want a quick replacement right now is a great time to buy seat cushi
ons at Walmart. They only have about 60 different kinds and
a bunch you can order in different colors, have them shipped to a store nea
r you or to your home directly.
http://www.walmart.com/browse/patio-garden/cushions-pillows/5428_1102183_10
32001/?_refineresult=true&povid=cat1102183-env498421-moduleB050213-lLin
kFC7Cushions_Pillows
Mike C.
Ohio
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| Subject: | Re: what seat cushions? (or Walmart) |
Mike,
You must be one tough cowboy. Do you ride horses bare back during the week to
stay toughened up for the Piet?????? I couldn't handle that for more than just
a few minutes.
--------
Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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| Subject: | Re: what seat cushions? (or Walmart) |
Ahahha, well Scott I'm not a cowboy but I simply followed the seat slant/
angle suggestions made by my Uncle Tony in his books and that proved
to be nice and comfortable. (I angled the bottom of the seat back out an
inch forward) Tony also has some good seat cushion advice for back and m
uscle
comfort but of course the newer foams make these suggestions even nicer.
I always said that the only 3 things I needed to build my Pietenpol were a
phone, a credit card, and the Bingelis books and that is true today as much
as it
was when I started building 20 years ago.
Mike C.
Ohio
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| Subject: | and for the record |
Tony Bingelis isn't my uncle but I always envisioned him as like this Mafia
type Godfather of good homebuilding advice and because he was Italian.
I guess I just like calling him my Uncle Tony too because he was ALWAYS the
re on the end of the sofa on my little lamp table in the form of his books
waiting to answer all of my questions when I would need a break from buildi
ng or screw something up doing it my way instead of the way an experienced
homebuilder would do it and do it in an airworthy fashion that would be app
roved by the FAA. Uncle Tony always gives 2 or 3 ways to do a task too un
less
there is only one right and sound way to do it----then he makes that very c
lear and I didn't want to deviate and go experimenting on my own only to fi
nd out
later that my big idea was a dangerous and possibly deadly one. Good sou
nd advice always from my Uncle Tony. Good sketches and diagrams too and I
learn
far better visually than I do simply reading text. Thanks Uncle Tony.
Mike C.
Ohio
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| Subject: | Re: and for the record |
Mike,
Despite your eloquent preamble, I have a burning family question for you.
Among the folks who have dropped by my hangar over the past few weeks to
kick the tires on my Piet project have been two who referenced your uncle
Tony but pronounced his last name in dramatically different ways. One
emphasized the first syllable. Another the second syllable. The latter's
pronunciation of that syllable was how one would indicate the tribe of
Gauls subdued by Julius Caesar.
So how is Bingelis pronounced? All these years I've seen it spelled. I
didn't know what I didn't know, which was how to pronounce it.
Cheers, Ken
On Thu, May 1, 2014 at 11:59 AM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage
Partners, LLC] <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov> wrote:
> Tony Bingelis isn=99t my uncle but I always envisioned him as like
this
> Mafia type Godfather of good homebuilding advice and because he was
> Italian.
>
> I guess I just like calling him my Uncle Tony too because he was ALWAYS
> there on the end of the sofa on my little lamp table in the form of his
> books
>
> waiting to answer all of my questions when I would need a break from
> building or screw something up doing it my way instead of the way an
> experienced
>
> homebuilder would do it and do it in an airworthy fashion that would be
> approved by the FAA. Uncle Tony always gives 2 or 3 ways to do a task t
oo
> unless
>
> there is only one right and sound way to do it----then he makes that very
> clear and I didn=99t want to deviate and go experimenting on my own
only to
> find out
>
> later that my big idea was a dangerous and possibly deadly one. Good
> sound advice always from my Uncle Tony. Good sketches and diagrams too a
nd
> I learn
>
> far better visually than I do simply reading text. Thanks Uncle Tony.
>
>
> Mike C.
>
> Ohio
>
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| Subject: | Re: Seat cushons |
That begs the question: What does your current tailwheel assembly that
allows for pussy-cat landings? Photos please!
--
Jeffrey H. Boatright, PhD, FARVO
Professor of Ophthalmology
Emory University School of Medicine
On 5/1/14, 10:39 AM, "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld@lacity.org> wrote:
><Scott.liefeld@lacity.org>
>
>Funny you commented about the tailwheel pic. Both of those pics were
>scanned together and are now one attachment. Consider it to be a bonus
>Pic. BTW, I changed out that tailwheel assembly because it made the
>plane handle like a Pitts when landing. The new assembly makes it a
>pussy-cat to land now.
>
>--------
>Scott Liefeld
>Flying N11MS since March 1972
>Steel Tube
>C-85-12
>Wire Wheels
>Brodhead in 1996
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=422666#422666
>
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| Subject: | Re: Seat cushons |
Hi Jeff,
The best place to find Pics will be on the westcoastpiet.com sight. Chris has
posted some pics on there. I ended up using a tail wheel fork from a vans RV-6.
It was a gift and it doesn't swivel. The head of it is the same one in the
post above. the wheel is just a $25.00 home builders special. I don't have
any brakes on my plane so good steering is a must for me. You will notice that
I have a very large amount of slack in my steering cables. It goes against
most all conventional thinking but works for me. I can actually turn the plane
around under its own power between my hanger rows. It will pivot around on
the inside wheel.
--------
Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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| Subject: | Re: Seat cushons |
Scott's Tail wheel
http://www.westcoastpiet.com/images/Scott%20Liefeld/scott_liefeld.htm
A few more pictures but no tail wheel shots.
http://www.westcoastpiet.com/2013_west_coast_pietenpol_gathering.htm
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Chris
Sacramento, CA
WestCoastPiet.com
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| Subject: | Re: Seat cushons |
Thanks Scott and Chris!
--
Jeffrey H. Boatright, PhD, FARVO
Professor of Ophthalmology
Emory University School of Medicine
On 5/1/14, 4:03 PM, "Catdesigns" <Catdesigns@att.net> wrote:
>
>Scott's Tail wheel
>
>http://www.westcoastpiet.com/images/Scott%20Liefeld/scott_liefeld.htm
>
>A few more pictures but no tail wheel shots.
>
>http://www.westcoastpiet.com/2013_west_coast_pietenpol_gathering.htm
>
>--------
>Chris
>Sacramento, CA
>WestCoastPiet.com
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=422694#422694
>
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| Subject: | Re: Seat cushons |
Spent 1-1.5 hours looking for photos of seats. I saw maybe 4 or 5 seats,
about a million photos of cockpits from just forward of the seat. Lots of
photos of control systems, Instrument panels, coaming, etc.
Of course when I was looking for photos of windscreens I could not find any
detail photos.
Guess I will read Uncle Tony, and look at the Flybaby site!
Blue Skies,
Steve D
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Guess I wasted my time posting all those pictures of my windscreen on westco
astpiet.
Gary
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> On May 1, 2014, at 7:03 PM, Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch@gmail.com> wrot
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> Spent 1-1.5 hours looking for photos of seats. I saw maybe 4 or 5 seats, a
bout a million photos of cockpits from just forward of the seat. Lots of pho
tos of control systems, Instrument panels, coaming, etc.
>
> Of course when I was looking for photos of windscreens I could not find an
y detail photos.
>
> Guess I will read Uncle Tony, and look at the Flybaby site!
>
> Blue Skies,
> Steve D
>
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| Subject: | Official Pietenpol-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) |
Dear Listers,
Please read over the Pietenpol-List Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) below. The
complete Pietenpol-List FAQ including the Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/Pietenpol-List.FAQ.html
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
[ Note: This FAQ was designed to be displayed with a fixed width font such as
Courier. Proportional fonts will cause display formatting errors. ]
This FAQ can also be viewed in HTML online at the following address:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm
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******* LIST POLICIES AND FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS *******
************************************************************
PLEASE READ. This document contains Pietenpol-List policies and information
for new and old subscribers. Understanding the Pietenpol-List policies will
minimize problems for the Administrator, and will help keep the Pietenpol-List
running smoothly for all of us.
******************************************
*** Quick Start Guide to List Features ***
******************************************
There are many features available on the Matronics Email Lists and each
one is described in detailed below. However, using the List Navigator
you can quickly access the complete set of features available for this
List. The List Navigator can be found at the following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
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*** How to Subscribe and Unsubscribe ***
****************************************
Simply go to the Web Page shown below and enter your email address and
select the List(s) that you wish to subscribe or unsubscribed from. You
may also use the handy "Find" function to determine the exact syntax of
your email address as it is subscribed to the List. Please see the
complete instructions at the top of the Web Page for more information.
The Subscribe/Unsubscribe web page is:
http://www.matronics.com/subscribe
Note that you will receive TWO conformation emails regarding your subsciption
process. The first verifies that your subscription/unsubsciption request
was received, and the second confirms that the process has been completed.
You should receive the first email within a few minutes of your request.
The second conformation will arrive in less than 24 hours. You cannot post
until you receive the second conformation email message.
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*** How to Post a Message ***
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Send an email message to:
pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Your message will be redistributed to everyone currently subscribed
to the List.
*****************************************************
*** SPAM Fighter - You Must be Subscribed to Post ***
*****************************************************
When a new post is received by the system, the From: line of the message
is checked and compared against the current subscription list. If the
email address is found, the message is passed on to the List Processor.
If the email address isn't found in the current list of subscribers, it
is dumped. This serves to very effectively thwart 99% of the SPAM that
gets posted to the Lists.
Remember, however, that the syntax of your email address is very important
with regard to the configuration of your email application such as Outlook
or Eudora. For example, the following two email addresses may be
functionally equivalent, but only one would pass the Matronics Email SPAM
test depending on which was syntax was subscribed to the given List:
smith@machine.domain.com
smith@domain.com
Either email address syntax is alright, just be sure that you configure
your email application to match *exactly* the address you've subscibed to
the List.
**************************************
*** Enclosure Support on the Lists ***
**************************************
Limited posting of enclosures such as pictures, documents, and spreadsheets
is supported on the Lists. There are a number of restrictions, and these
are detailed below. Please abide by the rules put forth regarding the
content of enclosures.
These are some of the features and limits of enclosures on the Matronics
Lists:
1) Enclosures will only be posted to the Real Time version of the Lists.
2) Enclosures will NOT be included in the Daily Digest version of the Lists.
3) Enclosures WILL BE forwarded on to the BBS Forum Web site.
4) Enclosures will NOT be appended to the Archives.
5) Enclosures will NOT be available in the List Browse feature.
6) Only the following file types and extensions will be allowed:
bmp doc dwg dxf gif jpg pdf png txt xls
All other enclosures types will be rejected and email returned to
sender. The enclosure types listed above are relatively safe from
a virus standpoint and don't pose a particularly large security risk.
7) !! All incoming enclosures will be scanned for viruses prior to posting
to the List. This is done in real time and will not slow down
the process of posting the message !!
Here are some rules for posting enclosures. Failure to abide by these rules
could result in the removal of a subscriber's email address from the Lists.
1) Pay attention to what you are posting!! Make sure that the files
you are enclosing aren't HUGE (greater that 1MB). Remember that there
are still people checking they're email via dial up modem. If you post
30MB worth of pictures, you are placing an unnecessary burden on these
folks and the rest of us, for that matter.
2) SCALE YOUR PICTURES DOWN!!! I don't want to see huge 3000 x 2000
pictures getting posted that are 3 or 4MB each. This is just
unacceptable. Use a program such as Photoshop to scale the picture
down to something on the order of 800 x 600 and try to keep the
file size to less-than 200KB, preferably much less.
Microsoft has a really awesome utility available for free that allows
you to Right-Click on a picture in Explorer and automatically
scale it down and resave it. This is a great utility - get it, use it!
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/downloads/powertoys/xppowertoys.mspx
Look for the link "Image Resizer"
3) !! This would seem to go without saying, but I'll say it anyway. Do not
post anything that would be considered offensive by your grandmother.
And you know what I'm saying; I don't want to see anything even
questionable. !!
4) REMEMBER THIS: If you post a 1MB enclosure to a List with 1000 members
subscribed, your 1MB enclosure must be resent 1000 times amounting
to 1MB X 1000 = 1 Gigabyte of network traffic!! BE CAREFUL and
BE COURTEOUS!
Also see the section below on the Matronics Photo and File Share where
you can have your files and photos posted on the Matronics web server
for long time viewing and availability.
*******************
*** Digest Mode ***
*******************
Each day, starting at 12 midnight PST US, a new 'digest' will be started.
This digest will contain the same information that is currently appended
to the archive file. It has all of the headers except for the "From:"
and "Subject:" lines removed, and includes a message separator consisting
of a line of underscores.
Each day at 23:55 PST US, the day's messages as described above will be
combined and sent as a single message to everyone on the digest email list.
To subscribe to the digest list, use the same subscription web form
described above, and just select the Digest version of the List.
http://www.matronics.com/subscribe
Note that you *can* be subscribed to both the realtime and digest versions
of the List at the same time. This is perfectly acceptable.
Now some caveats:
* Messages sent to "pietenpol-list-digest" will be forwarded to the standard
email list. In other words, you cannot post messages only to the
digest List.
* If you are subscribed to both the regular List and the digest List, you
will receive the realtime postings as well as the digest at the end of
the day.
* If you reply to the digest email, your message will be forwarded to the
normal list associated with the digest. Important Note: Please change
the subject line to reflect the topic of your response! Also, please
*do not include all or most of the digest in your reply*.
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*** List Digest Browser ***
****************************
An archive of all the List Digests can be found online in either plain text
or HTML format. These archives contain the exact Digest that was posted to
the Digest email list on the given day. The Digest Archives can be found
at the following location:
http://www.matronics.com/digest
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*** The "DO NOT ARCHIVE" Message Flag ***
*****************************************
At times, your message may concern something that is revelent only to a very
small number of persons or to a limited area, and you may not wish to archive
it. In such a case, simply put the following phrase anywhere in the
message:
do not archive
Your message will not be appended to the archive, but will be sent to List
email distribution as normal.
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***** READ THIS - Automatic Unsubscribes *****
**********************************************
Note that if your email address begins to cause problems such as bounced
email, mailbox is filled, or any other errors, your address will be promptly
removed from the List. If you discover that you are no longer receiving
messages from the Pietenpol-List, go to the following Web page, and look
for your email address and a possible reason for your removal.
The Matronics Email List uses utility called the "Email Weasel" that
automatically looks though the day's bounced email for addresses that
caused problems due to common things like "user is unknown", "mailbox
full", etc. If the Email Weasel removes your email address from the
Lists you will find record of it at the following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/unsubscribed
If the problem listed on the web site above has been resolved, please feel
free to resubscribe to the Lists of your choice.
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*** List Member Information ***
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If you have not done so already, please email me your phone numbers and
paper mail address in the following format:
smith@somehost.com
Joe Smith
123 Airport Lane
Tower, CA 91234-1234
098-765-1234 w
123-456-7890 h
Please forward this information to the following email address:
requests@matronics.com
I have a file of such things, that I typically use to contact you when
there are problems with your email address. The information will NOT
be used for any other commercial purpose.
****************************************
*** Realtime Web Email List Browsing ***
****************************************
Recent messages posted to the Pietenpol-List are also made available on
the Web for realtime browsing. Seven days worth of back postings are
available with this feature. The messages can be sorted by Subject,
Author, Date, or Message Thread. The Realtime List Browser indexes are
updated twice per hour at xx:15 and xx:45. You can also reply to a message
or start a new message directly from the List Browser Interface (coming soon).
You do not have to be subscribed to the given list to use the List
Browser Interface in view-mode.
http://www.matronics.com/browselist/pietenpol-list
*******************************************
*** Web Forums Bulletin Board Interface ***
*******************************************
A phpBB BBS web Forums front end is available for all Pietenpol-List content.
content. The Forums contain all of the same content available via the email
distribution and found on the various archive viewing formats such as the
List Browse, etc. Any posts on the web Forums will be cross posted to the
respective email List, and posts to the Email List will be cross posted to
the web Forums.
You may view all List content on the Forums without any special login.
If you wish to post a message via the Web Forum interface, however, you
will need to Register. This is a simple process that takes only a few
minutes. A link to the Registration page can be found at the top of the
main web Forums page. Note that registering on the Forum web site also
enables you to send email posts to the Lists as well. You will also need to
Subscribe to the respective Email List as described above to receive the
Email Distribution of the List, however.
The Matroincs Email List Web BBS Forums can be found at the following URL:
http://forums.matronics.com
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*** Matronics Email List Wiki ***
*********************************
In an attempt to make it easy to store and find structured and often accessed
information, Matronics has installed a Wiki at:
http://wiki.matronics.com
The Wiki allows individuals to create web pages to contain useful information
for other users of the mailing lists and web site. Unlike an ordinary web page
where the content needs to be submitted to Matronics for inclusion, the Wiki
permits the users to construct their own pages and have them visible immediately.
While constructing pages for the Wiki is not difficult, some may not be
comfortable building pages. In that case, simply prepare the text and any
images and email it to:
wiki-support@matronics.com
One of the volunteers on that list will take your submission and construct
a Wiki page for you.
Often someone produces a particularly useful posting in email one one of the
Lists that would be of general interest. In that case Matronics may take that
post and convert it into a Wiki page.
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*** List Archives ***
*********************
A file containing of all of the previous postings to the Pietenpol-List is
available on line. The archive file information is available via the
Web and FTP in a number of forms. Each are briefly described below:
* Pietenpol-List.FAQ
- Latest version of the Pietenpol-List Frequently Asked Question
page (this document).
* Pietenpol-Archive.digest.complete
- Complete file with most of the email header info removed and
page breaks inserted between messages.
* Pietenpol-Archive.digest.vol-??
- Same as the file above, but broken up into small sections that
can more easily handled.
* Pietenpol-Archive.digest.complete.zip
- Same as the Pietenpol-Archive.digest.complete file above, but
in PKZIP format. Use "binary" data transfer methods.
* Pietenpol-Archive.digest.complete.Z
- Same as the Pietenpol-Archive.digest.complete file above, but in
UNIX compress format. Use "binary" data transfer methods.
Download Via FTP
----------------
The archive file is available via anonymous FTP from ftp.matronics.com
in the "/pub/Archives" directory. It is updated daily and can be found in
a number of formats as described above. (All filenames are case sensitive.)
ftp://ftp.matronics.com/pub/Archives
Download Via Web
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The archives are also available via a web listing. These can be found
toward the bottom of the following web page:
http://www.matronics.com/archives
******************************************
*** Complete List Web Archive Browsing ***
******************************************
All messages posted to the Pietenpol-List are also available using the
Email List Archive Browsing feature. With this utility, all messages
in the List are indexed, and individual sub-archives can be browsed.
http://www.matronics.com/archive/archive-index.cgi?Pietenpol
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**** High-Speed Archive Search Engine ***
*****************************************
You can use the custom, high-performance Matronics Email List Search Engine
to quickly locate and browse any messages that have been posted to the
List. The Engine allows the user to easily search any of the currently
available List archives.
http://www.matronics.com/search
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*** File and Photo Share ***
****************************
With the Matronics Email List File and Photo Share you can share pictures
and other data with members of the List without having to forward a
copy of it to everyone. To share your Files and Photos, simply email
them to:
pictures@matronics.com
!! ==> Please including the following information with each submission:
1) Email Lists that they are related to.
2) Your Full Name.
3) Your Email Address.
4) One line Subject description.
5) Multi-line, multi-paragraph description of topic.
6-x) One-line Description of each photo or file
Prior to public availability of the files and photos, each will be scanned
for viruses. Please also note that the process of making the files and
photos available on the web site is a pseudo-manual process, and I try to
process them every few days.
Following the availability of the new Photoshare, an email message will be
sent to the Email Lists enumerated in 1) above indicating that the new
Share is available and what the direct URL to it is.
For a current list of available Photoshares, have a look at the Main
Index Page:
http://www.matronics.com/photoshare
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*** List Archive CDROM ***
**************************
A complete Matronics Email List Archive CD is available that contains
all of the archives since the beginning of each of the Lists. The archives
for all of the Lists are included on the CD along with a freeware search
engine written by a list member. The CD is burned the day you order it
and will contain archive received up to the last minute. They make
great gifts!
http://www.matronics.com/ArchiveCDROM
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The Matronics Lists are run *completely* through the support of it members.
You won't find any PopUpAds, flashing Banner ads, or any other form of
annoying commercialism on either the Email Messages or the List web pages
associated with the Matronics Email Lists. Every year during November
I run a low-key, low-pressure "Fund Raiser" where, throughout the month,
I ask List members to make a Contribution in any amount with which they
are comfortable.
I will often offer free gifts with certain contribution levels during the
Fund Raiser to increase the participation. The gifts are usually donated
by companies that are themselves List members.
Your Contributions go directly to supporting the operation of the Lists
including the high-speed, business-class Internet connection, server
system hardware and software upgrades, and to partially offset the many
many hours I spend running, maintaining, upgrading, and developing the
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Generally Contributions range from $20 to $100 and are completely voluntary
and non-compulsory. I ask only that if person enjoys the Lists and obtains
value from them, that they make a Contribution of equal magnitude.
Contributions are accepted throughout the year, and if you've just
subscribed, feel free to make a Contribution when you've settled in.
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If you enjoy and value the List, won't you make a Contribution today to
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Pietenpol-List Usage Guidelines
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The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the Pietenpol-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the Pietenpol-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
Pietenpol-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the Pietenpol-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
can not be overstated!
- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the
"reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your
response to the original poster. You might have to actively address
your response with the original poster's email address.
- DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I
agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent
to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large.
- When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly
contribute something valuable.
- Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack
other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that
will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.
- Occasional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularly
subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by
List members promoting their respective products or items for sale
should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble
a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but
is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to
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community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the
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| Subject: | Official Pietenpol-List Usage Guidelines |
Dear Listers,
Please read over the Pietenpol-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete
Pietenpol-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/Pietenpol-List.FAQ.html
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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Pietenpol-List Usage Guidelines
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The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the Pietenpol-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the Pietenpol-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
Pietenpol-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the Pietenpol-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
can not be overstated!
- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the
"reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your
response to the original poster. You might have to actively address
your response with the original poster's email address.
- DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I
agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent
to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large.
- When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly
contribute something valuable.
- Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack
other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that
will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.
- Occasional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularly
subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by
List members promoting their respective products or items for sale
should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble
a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but
is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to
everyone, including those who provide products to the entire
community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the
operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists.
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