---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 05/16/14: 6 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 10:51 AM - Re: Re: A75-8 oil temp sensor well (Greg Bacon) 2. 02:07 PM - Pietenpol hangar visit during AirVenture 2014. (tools) 3. 02:24 PM - Re: Pietenpol hangar visit during AirVenture 2014. (tools) 4. 02:53 PM - Re: Pietenpol hangar visit during AirVenture 2014. (Boatright, Jeffrey) 5. 03:06 PM - Re: Pietenpol hangar visit during AirVenture 2014. (John Hofmann) 6. 05:26 PM - Re: Pietenpol hangar visit during AirVenture 2014. (tools) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 10:51:11 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: A75-8 oil temp sensor well From: Greg Bacon Thanks everyone for your help! Greg Bacon On Thu, May 15, 2014 at 6:54 PM, Ryan Mueller wrote: > Don't believe so: spark plug gaskets are usually solid copper....AN900 > gaskets are copper-asbestos filled crush gaskets > > > On Thu, May 15, 2014 at 5:46 PM, taildrags wrote: > >> >> ...and isn't a standard spark plug copper gasket the same as an AN900-10? >> >> -------- >> Oscar Zuniga >> Medford, OR >> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" >> A75 power >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=423321#423321 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ========== >> br> -List" target="_blank"> >> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >> ========== >> MS - >> k">http://forums.matronics.com >> ========== >> e - >> -Matt Dralle, List Admin. >> t="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> ========== >> >> >> >> > * > > > * > > -- Greg Bacon Prairie Home, MO NX114D(Mountain Piet) ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 02:07:10 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol hangar visit during AirVenture 2014. From: "tools" Hey folks, I finally got in touch with the guy who runs Kidventure, and therefore sort of "owns" the Pietenpol hangar during the convention. It was my original suggestion that we visit after Kidventure hours, ends for the day around 3 pm, but he suggested we do it DURING Kidventure and and a lot of good reasons why. However, he supports the idea no matter what we decide. I'm reposting his email to me with his ideas, so we can as a group decide what we want to do. I do like his idea of using this idea to generate some interest among kids for the Piet. Who is working on a mass fly in? Andy Ovans was going to check with the guy in charge of Vintage parking today and see if they had room for us, or did we want to go to homebuilders? He's the guy in charge of the Pavillion, so has quick and easy access to all the guys in charge of whatever areas and hopefully we can get quick answers from them if it hasn't already been hammered out. Cheers, Tools == In reverse order (cut and paste from Yahoo's new email whatever system) is my original email to Dan, his reply and my follow up. Chime in and let me know what ya'll think, and I'll set it all up with Dan and Jim. == Hey Dan! WOW, GREAT suggestions and that's what we'll do. I can coordinate a key through Jim (work with him every week, so no worries there) and will definitely give you a heads on on when everyone is thinking of coming. I'll repost your email to the bulletin board and see if we can't generate some formal volunteer time out of them. THANKS for the offer of letting them join in on the fun, I'm planning on flying control line again as it is. Thanks for the quick reply, I'll be in touch! Mike On Friday, May 16, 2014 3:56 PM, "dmajka@comcast.net" wrote: Hi Mike, I think this is a wonderful idea to give the builders the feel for the history behind the airplane. Couple of suggestions / offers. I have NO issue with your group coming in any day but I would suggest you do it while KidVenture is open for a few reasons. One is that your presence there might generate interest by KidVenture visitors to your builder's group. Two is that you will not interfere with KidVenture in anyway by being in that hangar and by doing it when the museum buses are in full operation it might be easier for your group to get to Pioneer. If they do drive they will need to park in the museum lot and NOT in the Air Academy parking lot. Three is that we have drinks and food in the Vette for our volunteers and you are more than welcome to share what we have. Four is that maybe some of your people would like to hang around the hangar on other days to past on the history to KidVenture guests. Your crew could really bring it to life. Any volunteers who would want to do this would be welcome to sign up as official KidVenture volunteers and receive whatever perks their hours rate. Bottom line is please bring your group whenever it is best for you, just give me a heads up because I don't have the key to that hangar and would need to make sure it is open. See you soon, Dan From: "mike danford" Sent: Friday, May 16, 2014 8:35:45 AM Subject: Pioneer field field trip during convention Dear Dan, I'm Mike Danford, we've met a few times around campus (so to speak) but most memorably was at Paul's room with Tracy N and Bill B shortly before convention last year. I volunteer at Weeks some, Pioneer field flying young eagles, and during convention with the control line folks at Kidventure. I'm also a Pietenpol enthusiast, I own and fly one that I bought (currently teaching my son to fly it). I think we may get 5 to 10 Piets to fly to convention together this year for the 85th anniversary of the Pietenpol. If we can manage that, there'll be another confirmed 10 to 15 guys driving in most likely. This is VERY informal. However, a common thread to everyone's thinking is conjuring up something to do together, is the Pietenpol hangar. Folks (most are currently building) are EXTREMELY interested in a "behind the ropes" view of the planes in his hangar, both for nostalgia and the educational value to someone who's currently building. Essentially a monster picture taking effort to help document "how Bernie did it" for their records as they build. I offered to help set up such a field trip and went to Jim Casper (whom I work for as a Young Eagles pilot volunteer). He said that control of the field is relinquished to you during the convention so that you'd likely be the governing authority! I think it would be best to go visit the hangar AFTER Kidventure is done for the day, like 4 or 5 in the after noon. All we would need is someone to let us in, I can lock up behind us (pretty sure it's just pad locked). It would be a thirty minute to an hour sort of thing accompanied by a group photo for the website we communicate through. No dismantling of planes or anything like that. I would be more than willing to officially offer being the EAA's official chaperon to make sure nothing is taken or hurt, if I'm in a position to do so. Thanks for the consideration, let me know what you think! By the way, don't let the phone number trick you, I'm now living full time in Oshkosh, in the old firehouse near the Dockside tavern, right behind the Brooklyn bar. Thanks! Mike Danford n0kkj@yahoo.com 423 580 1383 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=423356#423356 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 02:24:30 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol hangar visit during AirVenture 2014. From: "tools" FWIW... While I volunteered quite a bit more, I found out flying control line with the kids, that 3 days, with only a 4hr shift per day, earned me a WEEK LONG wrist band. Otherwise, a single day shift, gets you a single day pass. So.... set up a table, build some tail feathers (I've got a "kit" for some tail feathers, have a wing rib jig up here...) or ribs, talk to the kids (or their parents), let them help a little... you get the idea. VERY nice of Dan to offer this. I AM NOT EVEN CAPABLE of organizing this. I can help, but left to my own devices, the plan WILL FAIL. The words "administrative acumen" never found their way onto ANY of my military fitness reports. Not once in 24 years... So, if doing something like this appeals, let me know if I can help, as I live locally and spend a lot of time there. Also, the kid venture volunteer thing is semi formal, in that an application has to be filled out in advance, they'll give us special red shirts, blah blah blah. You actually sign in and out every day. It's this way to help identify folks as they've actually had problems in the past with predators. If there's interest in folks wanting to man the hangar to accumulate hours for perks as Dan mentioned, I can help gather names, forward them, get the apps, and that sort of thing. I'm trying to get better at organization! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=423357#423357 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 02:53:37 PM PST US From: "Boatright, Jeffrey" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol hangar visit during AirVenture 2014. Mike Tools Danford - you are DA MAN! Thanks so much for working this out. Just to be clear, is there any chance we can fly in to Pioneer and park our actual, real Piets (some that will have really, actually been used to CAMP following some AIR travel up to Oshkosh) in front of the Pietenpol hangar? I mean really, what the heck do those Bells need with that nice loooong GRASS runway? -- Jeffrey H. Boatright, PhD, FARVO Professor of Ophthalmology Emory University School of Medicine On 5/16/14, 5:06 PM, "tools" wrote: > >Hey folks, > >I finally got in touch with the guy who runs Kidventure, and therefore >sort of "owns" the Pietenpol hangar during the convention. > >It was my original suggestion that we visit after Kidventure hours, ends >for the day around 3 pm, but he suggested we do it DURING Kidventure and >and a lot of good reasons why. However, he supports the idea no matter >what we decide. > >I'm reposting his email to me with his ideas, so we can as a group decide >what we want to do. I do like his idea of using this idea to generate >some interest among kids for the Piet. > >Who is working on a mass fly in? Andy Ovans was going to check with the >guy in charge of Vintage parking today and see if they had room for us, >or did we want to go to homebuilders? He's the guy in charge of the >Pavillion, so has quick and easy access to all the guys in charge of >whatever areas and hopefully we can get quick answers from them if it >hasn't already been hammered out. > >Cheers, > >Tools > >== >In reverse order (cut and paste from Yahoo's new email whatever system) >is my original email to Dan, his reply and my follow up. Chime in and >let me know what ya'll think, and I'll set it all up with Dan and Jim. >== > > >Hey Dan! > >WOW, GREAT suggestions and that's what we'll do. I can coordinate a key >through Jim (work with him every week, so no worries there) and will >definitely give you a heads on on when everyone is thinking of coming. > >I'll repost your email to the bulletin board and see if we can't generate >some formal volunteer time out of them. THANKS for the offer of letting >them join in on the fun, I'm planning on flying control line again as it >is. > >Thanks for the quick reply, I'll be in touch! > >Mike >On Friday, May 16, 2014 3:56 PM, "dmajka@comcast.net" wrote: > > >Hi Mike, >I think this is a wonderful idea to give the builders the feel for the >history behind the airplane. >Couple of suggestions / offers. >I have NO issue with your group coming in any day but I would suggest you >do it while KidVenture is open for a few reasons. One is that your >presence there might generate interest by KidVenture visitors to your >builder's group. Two is that you will not interfere with KidVenture in >anyway by being in that hangar and by doing it when the museum buses are >in full operation it might be easier for your group to get to Pioneer. If >they do drive they will need to park in the museum lot and NOT in the Air >Academy parking lot. Three is that we have drinks and food in the Vette >for our volunteers and you are more than welcome to share what we have. >Four is that maybe some of your people would like to hang around the >hangar on other days to past on the history to KidVenture guests. Your >crew could really bring it to life. Any volunteers who would want to do >this would be welcome to sign up as official KidVenture volunteers and >receive whatever perks their hours rate. >Bottom line is please bring your group whenever it is best for you, just >give me a heads up because I don't have the key to that hangar and would >need to make sure it is open. >See you soon, >Dan > > >From: "mike danford" >To: "Majka, Dan" >Sent: Friday, May 16, 2014 8:35:45 AM >Subject: Pioneer field field trip during convention > >Dear Dan, > >I'm Mike Danford, we've met a few times around campus (so to speak) but >most memorably was at Paul's room with Tracy N and Bill B shortly before >convention last year. > >I volunteer at Weeks some, Pioneer field flying young eagles, and during >convention with the control line folks at Kidventure. > >I'm also a Pietenpol enthusiast, I own and fly one that I bought >(currently teaching my son to fly it). I think we may get 5 to 10 Piets >to fly to convention together this year for the 85th anniversary of the >Pietenpol. If we can manage that, there'll be another confirmed 10 to 15 >guys driving in most likely. This is VERY informal. > >However, a common thread to everyone's thinking is conjuring up something >to do together, is the Pietenpol hangar. Folks (most are currently >building) are EXTREMELY interested in a "behind the ropes" view of the >planes in his hangar, both for nostalgia and the educational value to >someone who's currently building. Essentially a monster picture taking >effort to help document "how Bernie did it" for their records as they >build. > >I offered to help set up such a field trip and went to Jim Casper (whom I >work for as a Young Eagles pilot volunteer). He said that control of the >field is relinquished to you during the convention so that you'd likely >be the governing authority! > >I think it would be best to go visit the hangar AFTER Kidventure is done >for the day, like 4 or 5 in the after noon. All we would need is someone >to let us in, I can lock up behind us (pretty sure it's just pad locked). > It would be a thirty minute to an hour sort of thing accompanied by a >group photo for the website we communicate through. No dismantling of >planes or anything like that. I would be more than willing to officially >offer being the EAA's official chaperon to make sure nothing is taken or >hurt, if I'm in a position to do so. > >Thanks for the consideration, let me know what you think! By the way, >don't let the phone number trick you, I'm now living full time in >Oshkosh, in the old firehouse near the Dockside tavern, right behind the >Brooklyn bar. > >Thanks! > >Mike Danford >n0kkj@yahoo.com >423 580 1383 > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=423356#423356 > > ________________________________ This e-mail message (including any attachments) is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this message (including any attachments) is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please contact the sender by reply e-mail message and destroy all copies of the original message (including attachments). ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 03:06:51 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol hangar visit during AirVenture 2014. From: John Hofmann There is no way to use Pioneer Airport for operations during AirVenture. The FAA will not allow it. We are looking at a grass runway for Oshkosh in the future. For those of us who remember, there used to be one between the runway and taxiway on 18/36. That area is now drainage. Two years ago we tried to get one approved on the south end of the field. The FAA nixed it the night before we were to fly the 75 Cubs in. Jack Pelton told me a couple of weeks ago that there is a third option being looked at that looks very promising. It however will not be available for this year. -john- On May 16, 2014, at 4:53 PM, Boatright, Jeffrey wrote: > > Mike Tools Danford - you are DA MAN! Thanks so much for working this > out. Just to be clear, is there any chance we can fly in to Pioneer and > park our actual, real Piets (some that will have really, actually been > used to CAMP following some AIR travel up to Oshkosh) in front of the > Pietenpol hangar? I mean really, what the heck do those Bells need with > that nice loooong GRASS runway? > > -- > > Jeffrey H. Boatright, PhD, FARVO > Professor of Ophthalmology > Emory University School of Medicine > > > > > On 5/16/14, 5:06 PM, "tools" wrote: > >> >> Hey folks, >> >> I finally got in touch with the guy who runs Kidventure, and therefore >> sort of "owns" the Pietenpol hangar during the convention. >> >> It was my original suggestion that we visit after Kidventure hours, ends >> for the day around 3 pm, but he suggested we do it DURING Kidventure and >> and a lot of good reasons why. However, he supports the idea no matter >> what we decide. >> >> I'm reposting his email to me with his ideas, so we can as a group decide >> what we want to do. I do like his idea of using this idea to generate >> some interest among kids for the Piet. >> >> Who is working on a mass fly in? Andy Ovans was going to check with the >> guy in charge of Vintage parking today and see if they had room for us, >> or did we want to go to homebuilders? He's the guy in charge of the >> Pavillion, so has quick and easy access to all the guys in charge of >> whatever areas and hopefully we can get quick answers from them if it >> hasn't already been hammered out. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Tools >> >> == >> In reverse order (cut and paste from Yahoo's new email whatever system) >> is my original email to Dan, his reply and my follow up. Chime in and >> let me know what ya'll think, and I'll set it all up with Dan and Jim. >> == >> >> >> Hey Dan! >> >> WOW, GREAT suggestions and that's what we'll do. I can coordinate a key >> through Jim (work with him every week, so no worries there) and will >> definitely give you a heads on on when everyone is thinking of coming. >> >> I'll repost your email to the bulletin board and see if we can't generate >> some formal volunteer time out of them. THANKS for the offer of letting >> them join in on the fun, I'm planning on flying control line again as it >> is. >> >> Thanks for the quick reply, I'll be in touch! >> >> Mike >> On Friday, May 16, 2014 3:56 PM, "dmajka@comcast.net" wrote: >> >> >> Hi Mike, >> I think this is a wonderful idea to give the builders the feel for the >> history behind the airplane. >> Couple of suggestions / offers. >> I have NO issue with your group coming in any day but I would suggest you >> do it while KidVenture is open for a few reasons. One is that your >> presence there might generate interest by KidVenture visitors to your >> builder's group. Two is that you will not interfere with KidVenture in >> anyway by being in that hangar and by doing it when the museum buses are >> in full operation it might be easier for your group to get to Pioneer. If >> they do drive they will need to park in the museum lot and NOT in the Air >> Academy parking lot. Three is that we have drinks and food in the Vette >> for our volunteers and you are more than welcome to share what we have. >> Four is that maybe some of your people would like to hang around the >> hangar on other days to past on the history to KidVenture guests. Your >> crew could really bring it to life. Any volunteers who would want to do >> this would be welcome to sign up as official KidVenture volunteers and >> receive whatever perks their hours rate. >> Bottom line is please bring your group whenever it is best for you, just >> give me a heads up because I don't have the key to that hangar and would >> need to make sure it is open. >> See you soon, >> Dan >> >> >> From: "mike danford" >> To: "Majka, Dan" >> Sent: Friday, May 16, 2014 8:35:45 AM >> Subject: Pioneer field field trip during convention >> >> Dear Dan, >> >> I'm Mike Danford, we've met a few times around campus (so to speak) but >> most memorably was at Paul's room with Tracy N and Bill B shortly before >> convention last year. >> >> I volunteer at Weeks some, Pioneer field flying young eagles, and during >> convention with the control line folks at Kidventure. >> >> I'm also a Pietenpol enthusiast, I own and fly one that I bought >> (currently teaching my son to fly it). I think we may get 5 to 10 Piets >> to fly to convention together this year for the 85th anniversary of the >> Pietenpol. If we can manage that, there'll be another confirmed 10 to 15 >> guys driving in most likely. This is VERY informal. >> >> However, a common thread to everyone's thinking is conjuring up something >> to do together, is the Pietenpol hangar. Folks (most are currently >> building) are EXTREMELY interested in a "behind the ropes" view of the >> planes in his hangar, both for nostalgia and the educational value to >> someone who's currently building. Essentially a monster picture taking >> effort to help document "how Bernie did it" for their records as they >> build. >> >> I offered to help set up such a field trip and went to Jim Casper (whom I >> work for as a Young Eagles pilot volunteer). He said that control of the >> field is relinquished to you during the convention so that you'd likely >> be the governing authority! >> >> I think it would be best to go visit the hangar AFTER Kidventure is done >> for the day, like 4 or 5 in the after noon. All we would need is someone >> to let us in, I can lock up behind us (pretty sure it's just pad locked). >> It would be a thirty minute to an hour sort of thing accompanied by a >> group photo for the website we communicate through. No dismantling of >> planes or anything like that. I would be more than willing to officially >> offer being the EAA's official chaperon to make sure nothing is taken or >> hurt, if I'm in a position to do so. >> >> Thanks for the consideration, let me know what you think! By the way, >> don't let the phone number trick you, I'm now living full time in >> Oshkosh, in the old firehouse near the Dockside tavern, right behind the >> Brooklyn bar. >> >> Thanks! >> >> Mike Danford >> n0kkj@yahoo.com >> 423 580 1383 >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=423356#423356 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ > > This e-mail message (including any attachments) is for the sole use of > the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged > information. If the reader of this message is not the intended > recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution > or copying of this message (including any attachments) is strictly > prohibited. > > If you have received this message in error, please contact > the sender by reply e-mail message and destroy all copies of the > original message (including attachments). > > > > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:26:20 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol hangar visit during AirVenture 2014. From: "tools" Correct, ZERO chance of ANY operations on Pioneer field. Perhaps for the 100th???? Would probably have to start working that now! For now, something simple and fun. I think some sort of "presence" at the Piet hangar is a cool idea. Some sort of small group fly in AS EARLY AS POSSIBLE on Sunday is a good idea. Just grouping who we can is a cool idea. That's about it. 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