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1. 12:42 AM - Re: Piet list statistics (Larry Williams)
2. 01:25 AM - Re: Long Floor Gussets (john francis)
3. 04:43 AM - Re: Long Floor Gussets (womenfly2)
4. 04:47 AM - Re: Long Floor Gussets (womenfly2)
5. 05:01 AM - Re: Re: Long Floor Gussets (larharris2 Harris)
6. 05:08 AM - Re: Piet list statistics (giacummo)
7. 06:44 AM - Re: Re: Long Floor Gussets (Chris)
8. 08:25 AM - Re: Long Floor Gussets (echobravo4)
9. 09:34 AM - Re: Piet list statistics (aerocarjake)
10. 12:01 PM - Re: West Coast Pietenpol Gathering (AircamperN11MS)
11. 06:22 PM - Re: Long Floor Gussets (danhelsper@aol.com)
12. 07:58 PM - Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 4 Msgs - 05/20/14 (ANNCARLEK@aol.com)
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| Subject: | Re: Piet list statistics |
You could have gone all day without comparing anything Pietenpol to Obama Care!
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L.V.Williams
XCG, XCMR, ATP
USHPA, EAA, AMA, EPP
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| Subject: | Re: Long Floor Gussets |
Lorenza, thanks for the thoughts. How did you handle the transition from the 1/4
flooring to the 1/8 gussets?
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John Francis
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| Subject: | Re: Long Floor Gussets |
The bottom longeron is in tension so the plywood reinforcement caps adds additional
strength. If you butt the 1/8 ply to the 1/4 plywood that would be the weakest
failure point of high stress. The correct way would be to splice the joint
or reinforce the joint with an overlapping piece of plywood. You could also
do that by pocketing out the 1/4 ply to make an insert for the 1/8 ply strip
to set into.
There is more tension on the bottom longeron while on the ground then in the air.
Right behind the rear cockpit it the highest failure point of the fuselage.
So I would add them.
Just my 2 worth.
WF2
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| Subject: | Re: Long Floor Gussets |
womenfly2 wrote:
> The bottom longeron is in tension so the plywood reinforcement caps adds additional
strength. If you butt the 1/8 ply to the 1/4 plywood that would be the
weakest failure point of high stress. The correct way would be to splice the joint
or reinforce the joint with an overlapping piece of plywood. You could also
do that by pocketing out the 1/4 ply to make an insert for the 1/8 ply strip
to set into hereby making the overlapping joint.
>
> There is more tension on the bottom longeron while on the ground then in the
air. Right behind the rear cockpit is the highest failure point of the fuselage.
So I would add them.
>
> Just my 2 worth.
> WF2
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| Subject: | Re: Long Floor Gussets |
I've got a bunch of small step transitions. I bought all the wood kits from
Aircraft Spruce. Fuselage kit is a very good kit (I highly recommend the i
ndividual kits to save time and material waste dimensioning pieces yourself
)=2C but a few of the pieces are not exactly what is called out in the plan
s. All of these non-exact pieces are larger in dimension - good for streng
th=2C bad for weight. Where I have a step transition=2C I am using an appro
priate tool (hand chisel=2C hand plane=2C belt sander=2C hand sanding block
=2C benchtop disc sander) to taper the edge of the larger piece to blend th
e shape smooth. Always thinking about how it will look once the fabric is w
rapped around it. Always trying to shave an ounce here or there without com
promising strength.
Lorenzo
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Long Floor Gussets
> From: Mrkringles@msn.com
> Date: Thu=2C 22 May 2014 01:25:34 -0700
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
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> Lorenza=2C thanks for the thoughts. How did you handle the transition fr
om the 1/4=A4=9D flooring to the 1/8=A4=9D gussets?
>
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> John Francis
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| Subject: | Re: Piet list statistics |
Hello, haw are you?
I think one of the reason for thats numbers ( among others things) is the kind
of plane the Piet is. As I see the things, the Piet plans are not plans, are drawings
guide, and is not a kit, we have a lot of freedom when we build it, and
a lot of doubts about simple things that are not especified anywhere, so we
come to the list and ask... "how do you....", "what you think about...", "can
I replace...", etc, etc.. and as I saw some questions are repeated many times.
But this dont replace the fact that as Oscar said: "and for sure a lot more
friendliness and patience"
Regards
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Mario Giacummo
Photos here: http://goo.gl/wh7M4
Little Blog : http://vgmk1.blogspot.com
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| Subject: | Re: Long Floor Gussets |
Scarf Joint.
Chris T.
Sacramento, Ca
Westcoastpiet.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of john francis
Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2014 1:26 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Long Floor Gussets
--> <Mrkringles@msn.com>
Lorenza, thanks for the thoughts. How did you handle the transition from the 1/4
flooring to the 1/8 gussets?
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John Francis
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| Subject: | Re: Long Floor Gussets |
[quote="womenfly2"]You could also do that by pocketing out the 1/4 ply to make
an insert for the 1/8 ply strip to set into hereby making the overlapping joint.
Not the best picture- but that's how I did mine
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Earl Brown
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I
intended to be.
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| Subject: | Re: Piet list statistics |
Builders started using the Matronics site in 1929 - so they have had a good head
start...!
I keep a couple "most recent" project photos on my phone since friends are always
asking to see the latest progress. I also have a 1931photo Bernard took of
his Velie-powered ship that I am using as my inspiration. I tell people that photo
was taken in 1931 - before they had cell phones.......
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Jake Schultz - curator,
Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
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| Subject: | Re: West Coast Pietenpol Gathering |
I hope to get my plane washed and the prop re-torqued this weekend. Looking forward
to it. The guys from french valley said they are going. Hopefully Oscar
makes it. That would make two new planes to attend.
Clear Prop,
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Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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| Subject: | Re: Long Floor Gussets |
"Thou shalt not question the plans"
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: john francis <Mrkringles@msn.com>
Sent: Wed, May 21, 2014 1:16 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Long Floor Gussets
Those long gussets mounted behind the 1/4=C3=A2=C2=C2=9D floor puzzle m
e. I don=C3=A2=C2=C2=99t see
where they are doing much. It also appears that some have not installed th
em on
their projects.
John
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John Francis
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 4 Msgs - 05/20/14 |
Count me in, the meet last year was swell. I'd like to contribute a A-65
engine mount per Bernard's design to the raffle, if anyone would be
interested. It's not quite finished to keep it readily transportable. Gary Boothe
looked at it when he was here. Looking forward to the meet.
In a message dated 5/21/2014 12:05:34 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
pietenpol-list@matronics.com writes:
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