---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 05/22/14: 12 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:42 AM - Re: Piet list statistics (Larry Williams) 2. 01:25 AM - Re: Long Floor Gussets (john francis) 3. 04:43 AM - Re: Long Floor Gussets (womenfly2) 4. 04:47 AM - Re: Long Floor Gussets (womenfly2) 5. 05:01 AM - Re: Re: Long Floor Gussets (larharris2 Harris) 6. 05:08 AM - Re: Piet list statistics (giacummo) 7. 06:44 AM - Re: Re: Long Floor Gussets (Chris) 8. 08:25 AM - Re: Long Floor Gussets (echobravo4) 9. 09:34 AM - Re: Piet list statistics (aerocarjake) 10. 12:01 PM - Re: West Coast Pietenpol Gathering (AircamperN11MS) 11. 06:22 PM - Re: Long Floor Gussets (danhelsper@aol.com) 12. 07:58 PM - Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 4 Msgs - 05/20/14 (ANNCARLEK@aol.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:42:01 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet list statistics From: "Larry Williams" You could have gone all day without comparing anything Pietenpol to Obama Care! -------- L.V.Williams XCG, XCMR, ATP USHPA, EAA, AMA, EPP Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=423582#423582 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 01:25:54 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Long Floor Gussets From: "john francis" Lorenza, thanks for the thoughts. How did you handle the transition from the 1/4 flooring to the 1/8 gussets? -------- John Francis Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=423583#423583 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:43:08 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Long Floor Gussets From: "womenfly2" The bottom longeron is in tension so the plywood reinforcement caps adds additional strength. If you butt the 1/8 ply to the 1/4 plywood that would be the weakest failure point of high stress. The correct way would be to splice the joint or reinforce the joint with an overlapping piece of plywood. You could also do that by pocketing out the 1/4 ply to make an insert for the 1/8 ply strip to set into. There is more tension on the bottom longeron while on the ground then in the air. Right behind the rear cockpit it the highest failure point of the fuselage. So I would add them. Just my 2 worth. WF2 -------- Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=423585#423585 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 04:47:44 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Long Floor Gussets From: "womenfly2" womenfly2 wrote: > The bottom longeron is in tension so the plywood reinforcement caps adds additional strength. If you butt the 1/8 ply to the 1/4 plywood that would be the weakest failure point of high stress. The correct way would be to splice the joint or reinforce the joint with an overlapping piece of plywood. You could also do that by pocketing out the 1/4 ply to make an insert for the 1/8 ply strip to set into hereby making the overlapping joint. > > There is more tension on the bottom longeron while on the ground then in the air. Right behind the rear cockpit is the highest failure point of the fuselage. So I would add them. > > Just my 2 worth. > WF2 -------- Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=423586#423586 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:01:28 AM PST US From: larharris2 Harris Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Long Floor Gussets I've got a bunch of small step transitions. I bought all the wood kits from Aircraft Spruce. Fuselage kit is a very good kit (I highly recommend the i ndividual kits to save time and material waste dimensioning pieces yourself )=2C but a few of the pieces are not exactly what is called out in the plan s. All of these non-exact pieces are larger in dimension - good for streng th=2C bad for weight. Where I have a step transition=2C I am using an appro priate tool (hand chisel=2C hand plane=2C belt sander=2C hand sanding block =2C benchtop disc sander) to taper the edge of the larger piece to blend th e shape smooth. Always thinking about how it will look once the fabric is w rapped around it. Always trying to shave an ounce here or there without com promising strength. Lorenzo > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Long Floor Gussets > From: Mrkringles@msn.com > Date: Thu=2C 22 May 2014 01:25:34 -0700 > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > > > Lorenza=2C thanks for the thoughts. How did you handle the transition fr om the 1/4=A4=9D flooring to the 1/8=A4=9D gussets? > > -------- > John Francis ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:08:47 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet list statistics From: "giacummo" Hello, haw are you? I think one of the reason for thats numbers ( among others things) is the kind of plane the Piet is. As I see the things, the Piet plans are not plans, are drawings guide, and is not a kit, we have a lot of freedom when we build it, and a lot of doubts about simple things that are not especified anywhere, so we come to the list and ask... "how do you....", "what you think about...", "can I replace...", etc, etc.. and as I saw some questions are repeated many times. But this dont replace the fact that as Oscar said: "and for sure a lot more friendliness and patience" Regards -------- Mario Giacummo Photos here: http://goo.gl/wh7M4 Little Blog : http://vgmk1.blogspot.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=423588#423588 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:44:31 AM PST US From: "Chris" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Long Floor Gussets Scarf Joint. Chris T. Sacramento, Ca Westcoastpiet.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of john francis Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2014 1:26 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Long Floor Gussets --> Lorenza, thanks for the thoughts. How did you handle the transition from the 1/4 flooring to the 1/8 gussets? -------- John Francis Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=423583#423583 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:25:08 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Long Floor Gussets From: "echobravo4" [quote="womenfly2"]You could also do that by pocketing out the 1/4 ply to make an insert for the 1/8 ply strip to set into hereby making the overlapping joint. Not the best picture- but that's how I did mine -------- Earl Brown I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I intended to be. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=423593#423593 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_799.jpg ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:34:10 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet list statistics From: "aerocarjake" Builders started using the Matronics site in 1929 - so they have had a good head start...! I keep a couple "most recent" project photos on my phone since friends are always asking to see the latest progress. I also have a 1931photo Bernard took of his Velie-powered ship that I am using as my inspiration. I tell people that photo was taken in 1931 - before they had cell phones....... -------- Jake Schultz - curator, Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=423595#423595 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 12:01:13 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: West Coast Pietenpol Gathering From: "AircamperN11MS" I hope to get my plane washed and the prop re-torqued this weekend. Looking forward to it. The guys from french valley said they are going. Hopefully Oscar makes it. That would make two new planes to attend. Clear Prop, -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=423606#423606 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 06:22:36 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Long Floor Gussets From: danhelsper@aol.com "Thou shalt not question the plans" Dan Helsper Puryear, TN -----Original Message----- From: john francis Sent: Wed, May 21, 2014 1:16 pm Subject: Pietenpol-List: Long Floor Gussets Those long gussets mounted behind the 1/4=C3=A2=C2=C2=9D floor puzzle m e. I don=C3=A2=C2=C2=99t see where they are doing much. It also appears that some have not installed th em on their projects. John -------- John Francis Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=423551#423551 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 07:58:59 PM PST US From: ANNCARLEK@aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 4 Msgs - 05/20/14 Count me in, the meet last year was swell. I'd like to contribute a A-65 engine mount per Bernard's design to the raffle, if anyone would be interested. It's not quite finished to keep it readily transportable. Gary Boothe looked at it when he was here. Looking forward to the meet. In a message dated 5/21/2014 12:05:34 A.M. 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