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1. 05:51 AM - Re: Scott's Plane (Steven Dortch)
2. 05:58 AM - Re: Re: Wing Strut Cable Size/Type (Steven Dortch)
3. 06:11 AM - Re: Wing Strut Cable Size/Type (AircamperN11MS)
4. 06:15 AM - Re: Scott's Plane (AircamperN11MS)
5. 07:04 AM - Re: Heat Muff Material (PatrickW)
6. 08:05 AM - cooling eyebrows (Douwe Blumberg)
7. 09:03 AM - Cooling eyebrows (Douwe Blumberg)
8. 09:33 AM - aviator friend of Douwe's (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC])
9. 09:50 AM - Re: Wing Strut Cable Size/Type (Catdesigns)
10. 12:43 PM - Re: Wing Strut Cable Size/Type (aerocarjake)
11. 12:56 PM - Current draw of a White-Rodgers continuous duty DC contactor/solenoid/relay (Boatright, Jeffrey)
12. 01:22 PM - Re: Current draw of a White-Rodgers continuous duty DC contactor/solenoid/relay (Ned Lebens)
13. 01:26 PM - Re: Current draw of a White-Rodgers continuous duty DC contactor/solenoid/relay (Boatright, Jeffrey)
14. 01:49 PM - Re: Current draw of a White-Rodgers continuous duty DC contactor/solenoid/relay (Ned Lebens)
15. 01:51 PM - Re: Re: Wing Strut Cable Size/Type (Steven Dortch)
16. 02:13 PM - Re: Current draw of a White-Rodgers continuous duty DC contact (taildrags)
17. 03:09 PM - old style voltage regulator (Douwe Blumberg)
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| Subject: | Re: Scott's Plane |
No Gap seals?
Steve D
On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 4:33 PM, Catdesigns <Catdesigns@att.net> wrote:
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> My brother sent me this picture of Scott Liefeld plane parked at a fly-in
> over the weekend. Notice how many people are are around Scott's plane
> versus to the ones in the background. People know whats good.
>
> If you attend the West Coast Pietenpol Gathering at Frazier Lake this
> Saturday you too can see this unique bird.
>
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> Chris
> Sacramento, CA
> WestCoastPiet.com
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>
> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=424236#424236
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> Attachments:
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> http://forums.matronics.com//files/photo_4_111.jpg
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Blue Skies,
Steve D
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| Subject: | Re: Wing Strut Cable Size/Type |
Scott, does anyone have a accident study for the Pietenpol? I would be
interested for safety reasons. In order to live longer I would like to know
what to stay away from.
IE Don't drink and drive/fly.
Flying a piet with no electrics into a thunderstorm is a bad idea.
Running out of fuel
Water contamination of fuel.
Stall spin incidents.
controlled flight into terrain
Blue Skies,
Steve D
On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 9:08 PM, AircamperN11MS <Scott.liefeld@lacity.org>
wrote:
> Scott.liefeld@lacity.org>
>
> Mike,
> With that engine and the availability of said parts I don't see a reason
> to use the 1/8 inch stuff. I'll say it again. There has never been an
> inflight structural failure of a Piet. Just make sure you use jury struts.
> The cables you are asking about are there to keep the wing square on the
> fuselage. That is their big job. Mr Pietenpol was a very smart man. Keep up
> the good work.
>
> Other opinions are most certainly welcome.
>
> --------
> Scott Liefeld
> Flying N11MS since March 1972
> Steel Tube
> C-85-12
> Wire Wheels
> Brodhead in 1996
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=424254#424254
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>
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Blue Skies,
Steve D
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| Subject: | Re: Wing Strut Cable Size/Type |
Steve,
Go to this link and type in Pietenpol for aircraft type.
http://www.ntsb.gov/aviationquery/index.aspx
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Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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| Subject: | Re: Scott's Plane |
Steve,
Gap seals are not needed with the Frise type ailerons. Take a look at a cub and
you will notice that when the trailing edge of the aileron is up, the leading
edge of the aileron is actually below the bottom surface of the wing. It works
quite well.
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Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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| Subject: | Re: Heat Muff Material |
I re-did my heat muff this winter, with much improvement made. Perhaps something
similar would work for you.
Here's what I did: http://www.eaa25.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/OnFinal201401.pdf
Carb heat is a lot more effective now, too.
- Pat
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| Subject: | cooling eyebrows |
I believe I've mentioned this before, but "RE-PIET" began life without
cooling eyebrows because I liked the "clean cylinder" look so much. Based
on the Rose Parakeet, I omitted the eyebrows, but installed a temporary CHT
to see how things went.
Long story short, RE-PIET now sports cooling eyebrows and intercylinder
baffling.
Even in fall temps, the CHT would climb pretty high during a longish climb.
I figured that didn't bode well for summer flying so made up a set of
eyebrows, installed the intercylinder baffling and have enjoyed worry free
temps ever since.
That's my story, your mileage may vary.
$.02
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| Subject: | Cooling eyebrows |
Hello good people,
I think I touched on this a bit ago, but here goes again.
RE-PIET was built without cooling eyebrows because I loved the clean
cylinder look. Based on the Rose Parkeet design, a UK piet and some others,
that cooling would be sufficient without them. To ck the temps, I installed
a temp CHT.
To make a long story short, RE-PIET now has cooling eyebrows...
Even in moderate fall temps, the CHT would climb too high during a long
climb, which made me doubtful they'd remain okay when summer rolled around.
I made a set of eyebrows and installed intercylinder baffling and have
enjoyed good temps ever since.
I've attached before and after pics.
That's my story, your mileage may vary.
$.02
Douwe
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| Subject: | aviator friend of Douwe's |
Douwe! I see you must have landed at Dewey Davenport's Airport where he
keeps his Pietenpol, Champ and Travel Air 4000 eh?
Dewey was at the same air show I was at two weekends ago----Lorain Co. Air
Show, Ohio and his orange and white Travel Air is GORGEOUS!!!
Mike C.
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| Subject: | Re: Wing Strut Cable Size/Type |
Steve
This list/research was done in 2003.
http://nx770cg.com/Accidents.html
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Chris
Sacramento, CA
WestCoastPiet.com
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=424306#424306
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| Subject: | Re: Wing Strut Cable Size/Type |
Thanks....
Data and knowledge of those who came before us is very helpful. Hope to not ever
be part of one of these accident lists...!
J
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Jake Schultz - curator,
Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=424318#424318
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| Subject: | Current draw of a White-Rodgers continuous duty DC contactor/solenoid/relay |
In preparing for a long cross country, I am try to determine total
electrical power needs for my system (I dont have onboard charging
capability).
Many aircraft, including my Piet, have a White-Rodgers (P/N 70-11126-5)
continuous duty DC contactor that is used as a master switch relay. I
think they are common on Pipers and Cessnas.
Does anyone know what the current draw is on the low amperage side? That
is, how much current is drawn to energize the coil in order to close the
heavy-amperage contacts? I guess I could hook up a meter across the master
switch poles, flip the switch, and see what I amperage reads on the meter,
right?
Thanks,
Jeff
--
Jeffrey H. Boatright, PhD, FARVO
Professor of Ophthalmology
Emory University School of Medicine
On 6/3/14, 3:42 PM, "aerocarjake" <flight.jake@gmail.com> wrote:
><flight.jake@gmail.com>
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>Thanks....
>
>Data and knowledge of those who came before us is very helpful. Hope to
>not ever be part of one of these accident lists...!
>
>J
>
>--------
>Jake Schultz - curator,
>Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
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>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=424318#424318
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| Subject: | Re: Current draw of a White-Rodgers continuous duty DC |
contactor/solenoid/relay
Looks like the coil is 16 ohms at 25C if the data in the link below is to
be believed. Apparently 70-11126-5A is Stancor 70-918. Current would be
your battery voltage divided by 16 ohms, or about 0.78A.
http://www.texasindustrialelectric.com/stancor_relays.asp
Ned
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| Subject: | Re: Current draw of a White-Rodgers continuous duty |
DC contactor/solenoid/relay
Thanks Ned!
Sent from an iPhone with a spelling problem
On Jun 3, 2014, at 4:24 PM, "Ned Lebens" <nlebens@gmail.com<mailto:nlebens@
gmail.com>> wrote:
Looks like the coil is 16 ohms at 25C if the data in the link below is to b
e believed. Apparently 70-11126-5A is Stancor 70-918. Current would be yo
ur battery voltage divided by 16 ohms, or about 0.78A.
http://www.texasindustrialelectric.com/stancor_relays.asp
Ned
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| Subject: | Re: Current draw of a White-Rodgers continuous duty DC |
contactor/solenoid/relay
In case anyone is interested, I found the real datasheet:
http://www.emersonclimate.com/Documents/White-Rodgers/sell_sheets/R-4003web.pdf
Coil is still 16 ohms.
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| Subject: | Re: Wing Strut Cable Size/Type |
Attached is what I thot to be of intereste from the accident lists. I may
look at categorizing them some later (IE # of spins, Ground loops and so
on,)
Blue Skies,
Steve D
On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 11:49 AM, Catdesigns <Catdesigns@att.net> wrote:
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> Steve
>
> This list/research was done in 2003.
>
> http://nx770cg.com/Accidents.html
>
> --------
> Chris
> Sacramento, CA
> WestCoastPiet.com
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> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=424306#424306
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Blue Skies,
Steve D
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| Subject: | Re: Current draw of a White-Rodgers continuous duty DC |
contact
Jeff;
To carry 0.78 amps of current at 14VDC, unregulated, I would recommend that you
use at least 1/8" galvanized aircraft cable.
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| Subject: | old style voltage regulator |
does anyone have an old style (non electronic/points type) voltage regulator in
good shape they want to sell?
I have one but the points are worn pretty low and I'd like to know I won't have
to replace it for a while.
Thanks,
Douwe
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