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1. 01:48 AM - Re: Accident discussions (jarheadpilot82)
2. 03:31 AM - Dewey's place (Douwe Blumberg)
3. 03:40 AM - damage repair (Douwe Blumberg)
4. 03:51 AM - Re: Randy Bush's Piet (Steven Dortch)
5. 05:47 AM - accident discussions V3 (Steven Dortch)
6. 05:56 AM - Re: accident discussions V3 (Steven Dortch)
7. 07:23 AM - grammar request [was: Re: accident discussions V3] (Dan Yocum)
8. 08:04 AM - Accident discussion V4 (Steven Dortch)
9. 08:33 AM - Re: grammar request [was: Re: accident discussions V3] (Amsafetyc)
10. 08:45 AM - Re: grammar request [was: Re: accident discussions V3] (Steven Dortch)
11. 08:53 AM - accident discussion V5 (Steven Dortch)
12. 09:23 AM - Accident discussion Synopsis (Steven Dortch)
13. 09:23 AM - Re: Re: Accident discussions (Yahoo! Account Service)
14. 09:57 AM - Re: grammar request [was: Re: accident discussions V3] (Ryan Mueller)
15. 10:03 AM - Re: Accident discussion Synopsis (Ryan Mueller)
16. 11:19 AM - an now......for something less painful...... (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC])
17. 11:59 AM - Re: an now......for something less painful...... (Jack Phillips)
18. 12:05 PM - Pietenpol Newsletter (John Hofmann)
19. 12:57 PM - Re: Pietenpol Newsletter (Gary Boothe)
20. 01:25 PM - Re: an now......for something less painful...... (Robert Bush)
21. 01:39 PM - Re: Pietenpol Newsletter (danhelsper@aol.com)
22. 01:42 PM - Re: grammar request [was: Re: accident discussions V3] (danhelsper@aol.com)
23. 03:51 PM - grammar request [was: Re: accident discussions V3] (jarheadpilot82)
24. 04:18 PM - Re: Pietenpol Newsletter (Gene Rambo)
25. 06:45 PM - Re: grammar request [was: Re: accident discussions V3] (Dan Yocum)
26. 07:44 PM - Re: grammar request [was: Re: accident discussions V3] (Clif Dawson)
27. 10:32 PM - Re: Re: Accident discussions (jim hyde)
28. 10:39 PM - Re: Pietenpol Newsletter (jim hyde)
29. 10:47 PM - Re: Re: Accident discussions (jim hyde)
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| Subject: | Re: Accident discussions |
Steve,
Great story. My point exactly.
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Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
USMC, USMCR, ATP
BVD DVD PDQ BBQ
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=424384#424384
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Good eye Mikeee!
Yes, that is Dewey's place in the picture. I didn't see a biplane though,
just his champ and his Piet. It was a pretty chilly day, but we all
pressured him into some Piet formation flying for some photos.
Visiting his place was my first adventure flying with some other planes in
RE-PIET. There were about three or four old planes from Waynesville to his
place. Super nice guy and a great little runway.
He was actually a witness to my instructor spinning RE-PIET. He got kinda
ticked and turned to me saying "you shouldn't let him do that" to which I
answered honestly "I had no idea he was GOING to do that!".
I hope to visit his place this summer.
Douwe
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Don't fret it Steve, that repair will go quick! I promise!
When you're building, or the plane is brand new, every bit of damage seems
monumental, like you scratched your new Ferrari. After a while, you start
to realize these just make up the life history of your plane and that it is
unlikely there will be no dents and dings to fix up through the years.
I totally freaked over some little runs in the paint and pinked edges I
failed to iron down like I should have. Now, I don't even see them.
While testing my new voltage regulator last week, I turned on the switch and
was greeted by wafting smoke in the cockpit! I immediately turned them off
figuring "WHAT THE!!!" Turned out that through a design mistake, I had
turned two small holes in the fuselage covering. I have a voltmeter next to
my leg in the bulkhead. The back with the wires protrudes into the forward
cockpit and is uncovered. MISTAKE!
The passenger seatbelt fell in just a way to get itself jammed between the
two contacts, shorting out the ground wire and when I turned on the power,
it fried the insulation. Since the wire ran between the fuselage wood and
the covering, it burned two holes in the covering, smack dab on the side of
the fuselage!. I was actually pretty calm about it and yesterday it took me
maybe three hours to replace the wire, mount the new regulator, dope on some
patches, check everything out and button her up.
She's got a couple of new "war wounds", but I'm fine with that.
Douwe
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| Subject: | Re: Randy Bush's Piet |
Good article, As with most Piet things, it helps motivate me.
Blue Skies,
Steve D.
On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 10:33 PM, Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> Nice write-up...Congratulations, Randy!!
>
> Gary Boothe
> NX308MB
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill
> Church
> Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2014 7:04 PM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Randy Bush's Piet
>
> --> <billspiet@sympatico.ca>
>
> Just received the latest edition of EAA's Experimenter, and lo and behold,
> there's an article featuring Randy Bush and his Pietenpol.
> Congratulations, Randy.
> You can access the magazine here:
> http://experimenter.epubxp.com/i/323139
>
> Bill C.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=424373#424373
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>
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Blue Skies,
Steve D
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| Subject: | accident discussions V3 |
Having discussed Stall/Spins and Power problems (engine quit or lower
power.) and "structural" or non engine mechanical causesthe next area I
separated out was accidents during landing.They have many
8 Landing
1 doing touch and gos, Just lost control I guess.
1 landing into sun,
2 Hard landings,
1 Locked brakes-noseover,
1 ground loop-noseover,
1 ran out of fuel on final , undershot runway
1 fuel starvation off airport, tried to =9Cstretch=9D glide pas
t ditch, stalled
into ditch.
-- So to break this down
. 2 involved the engine quitting due to fuel starvation and running out of
fuel. With no power one undershot the runway, without more information I am
not sure what to think of this.
The other fell into the old trap of trying to get just a little more glide
from the plane than was possible. While not super common this is a
recurring theme. He was trying to fly past this ditch. I don't know that he
had any other options. I might do the same, Might as well try to get past
the ditch as hit the ditch and roll the plane.
2 were hard landings, both involved damage to the landing gear. One was
blamed on a bad weld, the other not. Other than practicing landings, I am
not sure that this is a fixable area.
1 loss of control blamed on landing into the sun. (one other crash talked
about sun glare as factor in hitting a pole and wires), Ground loop? I
don't know, Wear sunglasses? Don't fly then? WHat do y'all think?
1 locked the brakes and nosed over. I was taught that for a taildragger
brakes are for taxiing and parking. they are not used for diretional
control while taking off or landing. NOTE My 1948 Vtail Bonanza does not
have a steerable nosewheel I have to drag the brakes to steer the plane. On
that plane i must use the brakes.
1. ground loop with a nose over. Brakes again?
Lessons learned. Stay off the brakes. stay ahead of the plane, don't run
out of fuel.
Blue Skies,
Steve D
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| Subject: | Re: accident discussions V3 |
Just a thot, in the case below could a ground loop have been used to stop
short of the ditch? What is the consensus on "Theraputic ground loops" to
try to stop quicker?
The other fell into the old trap of trying to get just a little more glide
from the plane than was possible. While not super common this is a
recurring theme. He was trying to fly past this ditch. I don't know that he
had any other options. I might do the same, Might as well try to get past
the ditch as hit the ditch and roll the plane.
Steve D.
On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 7:46 AM, Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Having discussed Stall/Spins and Power problems (engine quit or lower
> power.) and "structural" or non engine mechanical causesthe next area I
> separated out was accidents during landing.They have many
>
>
> 8 Landing
>
> 1 doing touch and gos, Just lost control I guess.
>
> 1 landing into sun,
>
> 2 Hard landings,
>
> 1 Locked brakes-noseover,
>
> 1 ground loop-noseover,
>
> 1 ran out of fuel on final , undershot runway
>
> 1 fuel starvation off airport, tried to =9Cstretch=9D glide p
ast ditch,
> stalled into ditch.
>
>
> -- So to break this down
> . 2 involved the engine quitting due to fuel starvation and running out o
f
> fuel. With no power one undershot the runway, without more information I
am
> not sure what to think of this.
> The other fell into the old trap of trying to get just a little more glid
e
> from the plane than was possible. While not super common this is a
> recurring theme. He was trying to fly past this ditch. I don't know that
he
> had any other options. I might do the same, Might as well try to get past
> the ditch as hit the ditch and roll the plane.
>
> 2 were hard landings, both involved damage to the landing gear. One was
> blamed on a bad weld, the other not. Other than practicing landings, I am
> not sure that this is a fixable area.
>
> 1 loss of control blamed on landing into the sun. (one other crash
> talked about sun glare as factor in hitting a pole and wires), Ground
> loop? I don't know, Wear sunglasses? Don't fly then? WHat do y'all think?
>
> 1 locked the brakes and nosed over. I was taught that for a taildragger
> brakes are for taxiing and parking. they are not used for diretional
> control while taking off or landing. NOTE My 1948 Vtail Bonanza does not
> have a steerable nosewheel I have to drag the brakes to steer the plane.
On
> that plane i must use the brakes.
> 1. ground loop with a nose over. Brakes again?
>
> Lessons learned. Stay off the brakes. stay ahead of the plane, don't run
> out of fuel.
>
> Blue Skies,
> Steve D
>
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Blue Skies,
Steve D
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| Subject: | Re: accident discussions V3] |
Steve,
On 06/05/2014 07:56 AM, Steven Dortch wrote:
> Just a thot, in the case below could a ground loop have been used to
It pains some of us grammar Nazis greatly when you purposefully misspell
the word 'thought.'
The rest of your emails can be quite lengthy, can you please not try to
save space when spelling this one word.
In fact, you should type shorter/fewer emails and get your Pietenpol in
the air!
Dan
curmudgeon-in-training
do not archive
do not reply
it was too long in the first place
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| Subject: | Accident discussion V4 |
2-I would call these Controlled flight into terrain.
1 fatal-Buzzing. he was distracted looking at the road grading crew he was
buzzing.
1 on final approach hit pole and wires, Sun glare.
I guess the lesson is A. Fly the plane and buzzing is dangerous. B.
Especially when landing into the sun, you might want to land long. Perhaps
looking the landing area over on downwind would have helped.
Please remember, I wasn=99t there, and I am just guessing in some cas
es. You
may know more about specific accidents that change the lesson.
At first glance, the link on accidents sent by catdesigns AKA Chris to the
accident information collected by Chuck Gantzer seem to follow the same
pattern I saw in the data.http://nx770cg.com/Accidents.html I would
suggest anyone flying a Piet (or any small plane) read through this
information just to have a better feel for what can bite you when flying a
Piet (or any small plane).
BTW Chuck Gantzers information is well presented.
--
Blue Skies,
Steve D
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| Subject: | Re: accident discussions V3] |
Whooda thunk it
Sent from my iPhone
> On Jun 5, 2014, at 10:22 AM, Dan Yocum <yocum137@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Steve,
>
>> On 06/05/2014 07:56 AM, Steven Dortch wrote:
>> Just a thot, in the case below could a ground loop have been used to
>
> It pains some of us grammar Nazis greatly when you purposefully misspell
> the word 'thought.'
>
> The rest of your emails can be quite lengthy, can you please not try to
> save space when spelling this one word.
>
> In fact, you should type shorter/fewer emails and get your Pietenpol in
> the air!
>
> Dan
> curmudgeon-in-training
>
> do not archive
> do not reply
> it was too long in the first place
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: accident discussions V3] |
Ah the problems of the English language. A language in which 60 percent of
the words are not of English origin.
Thought before 900; Middle English thinken, variant of thenken, Old English
thencan; cognate with Dutch, German denken, Old Norse thekkja, Gothic
thagkjan; akin to thank <http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/thank>
Blue Skies,
Steve d
On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 10:33 AM, Amsafetyc <amsafetyc@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Whooda thunk it
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jun 5, 2014, at 10:22 AM, Dan Yocum <yocum137@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Steve,
> >
> >> On 06/05/2014 07:56 AM, Steven Dortch wrote:
> >> Just a thot, in the case below could a ground loop have been used to
> >
> > It pains some of us grammar Nazis greatly when you purposefully misspell
> > the word 'thought.'
> >
> > The rest of your emails can be quite lengthy, can you please not try to
> > save space when spelling this one word.
> >
> > In fact, you should type shorter/fewer emails and get your Pietenpol in
> > the air!
> >
> > Dan
> > curmudgeon-in-training
> >
> > do not archive
> > do not reply
> > it was too long in the first place
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
--
Blue Skies,
Steve D
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| Subject: | accident discussion V5 |
Here are the ones that did not fit into any good category. Or I thought
(spelled the formal way) that they were unusual enough to discuss again.
EACH PLT THOUGHT THE OTHER WAS CONTROLLING THE ACFT-ground damage
DEMO FLT FOR COPILOT.PLT WAITED TOO LONG BEFORE ATTEMPTING RECOVERY FM
STALL.
These all have one thing in common. First hour in the plane!
FAILED TO OBTAIN/MAINTAIN FLYING SPEED, ATTEMPTED OPERATION W/KNOWN
DEFICIENCIES IN EQUIPMENT, AIRCRAFT WAS NOT CERTIFICATED OR AIRWORTHY.
First hour
PILOT HAD FLOWN 1HR IN LAST SIX YRS.ENG TACH AND A/ AIRSPEED INDICATOR
WERE MALFUNCTIONING
Loose Spark plug, Stall/Spin LACK OF FAMILIARITY WITH AIRCRAFT first hour
of flight
unauthorized use of plane, Stall, spin. 0 time in type (HE SHOULD HAVE HIS
TAIL KICKED)
Power loss. FAA could not find out who was pilot The pilot/owners "did not
want the FAA involved!" (Later explained as Carb Ice, no carb heat on
plane, on first flight.)
--
Blue Skies,
Steve D
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| Subject: | Accident discussion Synopsis |
Synopsis of lessons
Please argue, comment or enlighten. The goal is to have open discussion
that raises our personal safety in our beloved Pietenpol.
As pointed out by several Pietenpeople, there seems to be no inherent flaw
in the design that leads to type specific accidents. Some builders may
build some flaw in, but, built to the plans the plane is safe. The wing
stalls and spins predictably and it is not particularly squirrely on the
ground, even with the variety of wing types and landing gear designs. The
accident rate and type is similar to other similar homebuilts.
For Low time in type/first flights in a Piet/first flight for plane: Get
current and stay current, if you are not current, go get some refresher
training. If it is a first hop, plan the flight and fly the plan.
For Stall/spins: Fly coordinated, Center the ball. Watch thy speed. Fly the
plane, don=99t fly distracted (no texting!)
A Good preflight is important, Don=99t forget fuel. Check for mud dau
bers
(never heard of a sand dauber) and spark plugs.
During a engine out (or other problem), =9CFly the plane as far into
the
crash as possible." Don=99t get distracted from the number one task,
Fly the
wing.
Be aware of Carb Icing. Carb heat is free!
Know your plane, what it=99s stall warning feels like, and the
=9Cfeel=9D of
various flight regimes.
Learn to land soft and not hard! Landings not Arrivals!
Think about landing into the sun before you do it. Look at the approach and
runway on downwind and plan your approach to landing. You will be blinded
when you turn into the sun.
Brakes are not for directional control. Don=99t use them except to sl
ow taxi
and park. (That is why I prefer heel brakes.)
Stay ahead of the plane. Taildraggers like to swap ends.
If you Buzz someone/thing don=99t forget to fly the plane.
Make sure there is someone at the controls. A positive hand over of the
plane is a good thing. Say =9CYou have the plane!=9D or
=9C I have the plane!=9D
out loud, don=99t assume.
Now for some questions:
When should you try to stretch the glide to get over something?
When should you consider a ground loop as a maneuver? When you are about to
hit a ditch or fence?
Y'all be safe out there! Hear?
Blue Skies,
Steve D.
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| Subject: | Re: Accident discussions |
-----Original Message-----
>From: jarheadpilot82 <jarheadpilot82@hotmail.com>
>Sent: Jun 4, 2014 11:18 PM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Accident discussions
>
>
>Steve,
>
>Two things come to mind as I read your posting-
>
>1. Keep the ball centered. Why do we need a Rod Machado presentation to remind
us of this? That is basic piloting 101. But, obviously, the fact it is a topic
tells us there is a problem. If your feet aren't involved in your flying, something
is wrong. Simple as that.
>
>2. Airspeed control. Not having flown an open cockpit, I can only go with what
other pilots tell me, but. I have heard that you can hear the right airspeed
from the plane. The wires "singing" a certain tone at a certain airspeed. Listening
for it is another skill that needs to be learned. But if that is not what
you want to do, and you absolutely must have a gauge to tell you your airspeed
and altitude, most of us carry a backup airspeed indicator in our pocket. And
that is a smartphone with a GPS in it. There are any number of inexpensive
and/or cheap apps that give you GPS speed and altitude. It may not be 100% accurate,
but at least it avoids the "I crashed because my pitot static instruments
failed" line on the NTSB report.
>
>Just a couple of thoughts that I had.
>
>--------
>Semper Fi,
>
>Terry Hand
>Athens, GA
Terry,
I agree with most of what you said, but I don't think it is a good idea to use
GPS as an airspeed indicator. GPS only gives ground speed. Say you are on downwind
with a 15 mph tailwind, you would be going 15 mph slower than the GPS shows.
Could be trouble on base to final turn.
Skip
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| Subject: | Re: accident discussions V3] |
Well, that's fine and all, except it never has been a word. Except in rap
music and Twitter, where it means "*T*hat *H*o *O*ut *T*here". Unless that
is what you are trying to say....
Ryan
do not archive
On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 10:45 AM, Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Ah the problems of the English language. A language in which 60 percent of
> the words are not of English origin.
>
> Thought before 900; Middle English thinken, variant of thenken, Old
> English thencan; cognate with Dutch, German denken, Old Norse thekkja,
> Gothic thagkjan; akin to thank
> <http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/thank>
>
> Blue Skies,
> Steve d
> On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 10:33 AM, Amsafetyc <amsafetyc@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> Whooda thunk it
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> > On Jun 5, 2014, at 10:22 AM, Dan Yocum <yocum137@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > Steve,
>> >
>> >> On 06/05/2014 07:56 AM, Steven Dortch wrote:
>> >> Just a thot, in the case below could a ground loop have been used to
>> >
>> > It pains some of us grammar Nazis greatly when you purposefully misspell
>> > the word 'thought.'
>> >
>> > The rest of your emails can be quite lengthy, can you please not try to
>> > save space when spelling this one word.
>> >
>> > In fact, you should type shorter/fewer emails and get your Pietenpol in
>> > the air!
>> >
>> > Dan
>> > curmudgeon-in-training
>> >
>> > do not archive
>> > do not reply
>> > it was too long in the fi=
>> mp; Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ,
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> --
> Blue Skies,
> Steve D
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| Subject: | Re: Accident discussion Synopsis |
tl;dr
Pay attention to what you are doing. Don't do anything stupid.
On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 11:22 AM, Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Synopsis of lessons
>
<snip>
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| Subject: | an now......for something less painful...... |
Thank you Bill Church for posting the link to the article on Randy Bush's P
ietenpol article.
Scroll down to read this good article on one of the guys who does a lot les
s talking and a whole lot
of buiding and flying.
Mike C.
http://experimenter.epubxp.com/i/323139
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| Subject: | an now......for something less painful...... |
Excellent, Randy!
And Mike, thanks for posting it.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cuy, Michael
D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]
Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2014 2:18 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: an now......for something less painful......
Thank you Bill Church for posting the link to the article on Randy Bush's
Pietenpol article.
Scroll down to read this good article on one of the guys who does a lot less
talking and a whole lot
of buiding and flying.
Mike C.
http://experimenter.epubxp.com/i/323139
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| Subject: | Pietenpol Newsletter |
Hello Good People!
While you await your printed copy, here is the latest pdf file to enjoy.
My apologies on being even more tardy. I have a useless nephew who took
his drug addiction to the next level and decided to become a
quadriplegic. Given his immediate family shares the same moral fiber, my
wife and I have had to arrange for his short term and long term care
over the past couple of months. Lots of distractions.
Now back to Pietenpols.
-john-
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| Subject: | Pietenpol Newsletter |
Nice job, John! You have a great eye for pictures! ;-)
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Hofmann
Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2014 12:05 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Newsletter
Hello Good People!
While you await your printed copy, here is the latest pdf file to enjoy. My
apologies on being even more tardy. I have a useless nephew who took his
drug addiction to the next level and decided to become a quadriplegic. Given
his immediate family shares the same moral fiber, my wife and I have had to
arrange for his short term and long term care over the past couple of
months. Lots of distractions.
Now back to Pietenpols.
-john-
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| Subject: | Re: an now......for something less painful...... |
Thanks every one for the congratulations, I appreciate it.
Steve Ells and Mary Jones interviewed me last year at Oshkosh but I wasn't s
ure they were going to use the story.im pleased with the way it came out.
I've been flying the Piet every chance I get but since we have heavy rain to
day I'm back in the shop building sonex wings.
See y'all at Brodhead
Randy Bush
Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 5, 2014, at 1:18 PM, "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LL
C]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov> wrote:
> Thank you Bill Church for posting the link to the article on Randy Bush
=99s Pietenpol article.
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> Scroll down to read this good article on one of the guys who does a lot le
ss talking and a whole lot
> of buiding and flying.
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Newsletter |
Thanks John! Great job! Loved the photos!
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: John Hofmann <jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com>
Sent: Thu, Jun 5, 2014 2:11 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Newsletter
Hello Good People!
While you await your printed copy, here is the latest pdf file to enjoy. My
apologies on being even more tardy. I have a useless nephew who took his dr
ug
addiction to the next level and decided to become a quadriplegic. Given his
immediate family shares the same moral fiber, my wife and I have had to arr
ange
for his short term and long term care over the past couple of months. Lots
of
distractions.
Now back to Pietenpols.
-john-
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| Subject: | Re: accident discussions V3] |
Dan,
Still taking applications for Board of Curmudgeons. Qualifications are stil
l secret....but I think you may qualify....
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Yocum <yocum137@gmail.com>
Sent: Thu, Jun 5, 2014 11:51 am
Subject: grammar request [was: Re: Pietenpol-List: accident discussions V3]
Steve,
On 06/05/2014 07:56 AM, Steven Dortch wrote:
> Just a thot, in the case below could a ground loop have been used to
It pains some of us grammar Nazis greatly when you purposefully misspell
the word 'thought.'
The rest of your emails can be quite lengthy, can you please not try to
save space when spelling this one word.
In fact, you should type shorter/fewer emails and get your Pietenpol in
the air!
Dan
curmudgeon-in-training
do not archive
do not reply
it was too long in the first place
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| Subject: | Re: grammar request [was: Re: accident discussions V3] |
Steve,
I appreciate your "thots" as it helps me stay on track with building and flying
my Pietenpol. I do believe that is the purpose of this forum, however you spell
it.
Maybe someone can start a new Matronics grammar nazi forum where such discussions
can be taken and appreciated in all their grandeur and relevance.
--------
Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
USMC, USMCR, ATP
BVD DVD PDQ BBQ
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=424412#424412
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Newsletter |
However that black and yellow German got on the centerfold, I hope everyone knows
that Hoffman and Shelley did all of the artwork.
As lebowski would say, "it really makes the room"!!
Gene
On Jun 5, 2014, at 3:04 PM, John Hofmann <jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com> wrote:
> Hello Good People!
>
> While you await your printed copy, here is the latest pdf file to enjoy. My apologies
on being even more tardy. I have a useless nephew who took his drug addiction
to the next level and decided to become a quadriplegic. Given his immediate
family shares the same moral fiber, my wife and I have had to arrange for
his short term and long term care over the past couple of months. Lots of distractions.
>
> Now back to Pietenpols.
>
> -john-
> <BPA 2014_04 web.pdf>
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| Subject: | Re: grammar request [was: Re: accident discussions V3] |
On 06/05/2014 05:50 PM, jarheadpilot82 wrote:
>
> Steve,
>
> I appreciate your "thots" as it helps me stay on track with building and flying
my Pietenpol. I do believe that is the purpose of this forum, however you spell
it.
>
> Maybe someone can start a new Matronics grammar nazi forum where such discussions
can be taken and appreciated in all their grandeur and relevance.
I'd be happy to ask Matt to set one up and you and Steve can be the
first subscribers.
'pietenpol-offlist' sounds like a reasonable name.
Snarky comments aside, I'm actually a strong proponent of dual lists for
the same group of people/interest: one for those that have a keen
interest in the topic, e.g., solving carb heat issues on model A
engines, and one for general discussion that is only slightly related,
like flying safety, to use the recent thread as an example.
If anyone gets off on a tangent in the main 'list' people can urge them
(quietly or not), to take it 'offlist'.
Dan
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: accident discussions V3] |
James Nicoll. "The problem with defending the purity of the English
language is that English is about as pure as a cribhouse whore. We don't
just borrow words; on occasion, English has pursued other languages down
dark alleyways to beat them unconscious and rifle their pockets for new
vocabulary."
Clif
The only thing that interferes with my learning
is my education. A. Einstein
Ah the problems of the English language. A language in which 60
percent of the words are not of English origin.
Thought before 900; Middle English thinken, variant of thenken, Old
English thencan; Blue Skies,
Steve d
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| Subject: | Re: Accident discussions |
anyone that crashes because of a failed-speedometer-was not properly tr
ained.. even in the big planes we are taught attitde . even the god damn bi
rds dont have a speedometer... not long ago i was giving an AA capt. a tail
wheel indorcement. the first question the dude asked was what are the prope
r power settings?? my comment was well!-wide open and closed i guess..=0A
sincerely,=0Aself appointed pietenpole oracle of the pietenpole matronics w
ebsite.=0A=0Ajim hyde =0A=0A=0AOn Thursday, June 5, 2014 11:28 AM, Yahoo! A
ccount Service <skipgadd@earthlink.net> wrote:=0A =0A=0A=0A--> Pietenpol-L
ist message posted by: Yahoo! Account Service <skipgadd@earthlink.net>=0A
=0A=0A=0A-----Original Message-----=0A>From: jarheadpilot82 <jarheadpilot82
@hotmail.com>=0A>Sent: Jun 4, 2014 11:18 PM=0A>To: pietenpol-list@matronics
.com=0A>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Accident discussions=0A>=0A>--> Pieten
pol-List message posted by: "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82@hotmail.com>
=0A>=0A>Steve,=0A>=0A>Two things come to mind as I read your posting-=0A>
=0A>1. Keep the ball centered. Why do we need a Rod Machado presentation to
remind us of this? That is basic piloting 101. But, obviously, the fact it
is a topic tells us there is a problem. If your feet aren't involved in yo
ur flying, something is wrong. Simple as that.=0A>=0A>2. Airspeed control.
Not having flown an open cockpit, I can only go with what other pilots tell
me, but. I have heard that you can hear the right airspeed from the plane.
The wires "singing" a certain tone at a certain airspeed. Listening for it
is another skill that needs to be learned. But if that is not what you wan
t to do, and you absolutely must have a gauge to tell you your airspeed and
altitude, most of us carry a backup airspeed indicator in our pocket. And
that is a smartphone with a GPS in it. There are any number of inexpensive
and/or cheap apps that give you GPS speed and altitude. It may not be 100%
accurate, but at least it avoids the "I crashed because my pitot static ins
truments failed" line on the NTSB report.=0A>=0A>Just a couple of thoughts
that I had.=0A>=0A>--------=0A>Semper Fi,=0A>=0A>Terry Hand=0A>Athens, GA
=0A=0A=0ATerry,=0AI agree with most of what you said, but I don't think it
is a good idea to use GPS as an airspeed indicator. GPS only gives ground s
peed. Say you are on downwind with a 15 mph tailwind, you would be going 15
mph slower than the GPS shows. Could be trouble on base to final turn.=0AS
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are had-to- the right words???- i have always wondered why anyone thi
nks that they have to do anything for an idiot other than to stay as far aw
ay from them as possible so they dont fuuckup normal folks lives.. =0A=0A
=0AOn Thursday, June 5, 2014 6:34 PM, Gene Rambo <generambo@msn.com> wrote:
sn.com>=0A=0AHowever that black and yellow German got on the centerfold, I
hope everyone knows that Hoffman and Shelley did all of the artwork. =0A=0A
As lebowski would say, "it really makes the room"!!=0A=0AGene=0A=0AOn Jun 5
, 2014, at 3:04 PM, John Hofmann <jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com> wrote:=0A=0A>
Hello Good People!=0A> =0A> While you await your printed copy, here is the
latest pdf file to enjoy. My apologies on being even more tardy. I have a u
seless nephew who took his drug addiction to the next level and decided to
become a quadriplegic. Given his immediate family shares the same moral fib
er, my wife and I have had to arrange for his short term and long term care
over the past couple of months. Lots of distractions.=0A> =0A> Now back to
=============
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| Subject: | Re: Accident discussions |
as with any plane most accidents are caused by the pilot...- i do lots of
flight reviews and am astonished by how many folks cant even taxi safely n
ever mind actually make a turn..tony lavere spent 30 years lobbying for the
-return to basic skills.=0A=0Ajim =0A=0A=0AOn Wednesday, June 4, 2014 10:
20 PM, Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch@gmail.com> wrote:=0A =0A=0A=0AScott,
Oscar, Doug, et al.=0AY'all mistake my examination of Pietenpol accidents
as-an attack upon-the design. Au contraire, I am a firm believer in the
design as printed and built by many. Show me where I stated that I there i
s a safety flaw with the pietenpol? =0A=0AI have-taken a rational look at
the accident record in an effort to discuss safety. Notice the first thing
I discussed was Stall/Spins-the=0Acategory with the most accidents. I do
n't think the 3 main wing shapes are bad.=0AIndeed all evidence-indicates
they are-very safe and predictable in a=0Astall. Yet people keep stallin
g and spinning to the ground in Pietenpols. =0A- =0AWHY?=0ALooking at the
date indicates that if you don't know how to fly a taildragger, or=0Aare v
ery rusty, then you should get training in a similar aircraft before you=0A
fly that first hour in your Pietenpol. 4 of 9 spin accidents were done in t
he=0Afirst hour the person flew a piet. =0A-=0A4 (or 5) spin accidents ha
ppened when=0Athe- Pilot got distracted and forgot to=0Afly the plane! So
--The lesson here=0Ais to pay attention to flying the plane.=0A-=0A4
accidents=0Awere during maneuvering flight. Not sure what to make of these
. One was in the=0Apattern. (Perhaps he was distracted) one was a stall sho
wing off with a low=0Apass. (all I can think is that he stalled during the
pullout.) One during low=0Aturns. (Keep your speed up especially in turns,
a 45 degree bank will raise the=0Astall speed by 50%) One was doing aerobat
ics that appear to have been stalls=0Anibbling at the edge of spins, Then h
e was successful and spun the thing in. =0A-=0AOF 9=0AStall/Spin accident
s only 1 was fatal. a testimony of the design. BTW this data=0Awas collecte
d starting in 1969. -=0AThe only Non engine mechanical incidents in the d
atabase are: -a broken wire due to a improperly installed turnbuckle.-T
wo incidences of Push/pull elevator control-system failures (On a Grega?)
that resulted in two fatalities. and one hard landing where a bad weld all
owed the gear to collapse. =0A-=0ANothing else was found. But we should l
ook at- accident data for lessons. =0A-=0AY'all be careful out there, h
ear? =0A- =0ABlue Skies,=0ASteve D. =0A=0A=0A=0A=0AOn Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at
7:23 PM, AircamperN11MS <Scott.liefeld@lacity.org> wrote:=0A=0A--> Pietenp
ol-List message posted by: "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld@lacity.org>=0A>
=0A>Steve,=0A>I have been around piets since the late 1960's. There are som
e others that have been around -longer but probably not too many. After t
hinking about the structural failure statement I made previously. I need to
change that. I remember that a very long time ago (60's maybe) that someon
e did fold a wing in flight. It was a result of negative G's and the lack o
f jury struts. As a result I don't think that there is a Piet flying today
without them.=0A>My question to the group now is. Do the supplemental plans
now show jury struts installed?=0A>=0A>Cheers,=0A>=0A>--------=0A>Scott Li
efeld=0A>Flying N11MS since March 1972=0A>Steel Tube=0A>C-85-12=0A>Wire Whe
els=0A>Brodhead in 1996=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>Read this topic online here:=0A>
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