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1. 03:01 AM - Re: Accident discussion Synopsis (jarheadpilot82)
2. 05:09 AM - Re: Flying to brodhead 2014. (Boatright, Jeffrey)
3. 09:00 AM - Re: Re: ###Second Flight#### (Michael Perez)
4. 09:46 AM - Re: Re: ###Second Flight#### (Steven Dortch)
5. 10:34 AM - Re: ###Second Flight#### (Don Emch)
6. 01:08 PM - Re: Vasek's Pietenpol project (Vasek)
7. 01:33 PM - Re: ###Second Flight#### (Chris Rusch)
8. 01:36 PM - Re: ###Second Flight#### (Chris Rusch)
9. 03:08 PM - Re: Re: ###Second Flight#### (Greg Cardinal)
10. 04:30 PM - Fully Loaded Piet (Gary Boothe)
11. 04:35 PM - Re: Re: ###Second Flight#### (Gary Boothe)
12. 07:03 PM - Re: Fully Loaded Piet (Ray Krause)
13. 07:39 PM - Re: Flying to brodhead 2014. (tools)
14. 07:52 PM - Re: Fully Loaded Piet (Gary Boothe)
15. 08:10 PM - Re: Fully Loaded Piet (Ray Krause)
16. 08:32 PM - thoghts on buyng wood (Steven Dortch)
17. 09:09 PM - Full Moon over Red River Valley in C-GGLU (oakesje)
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| Subject: | Re: Accident discussion Synopsis |
> Pay attention to what you are doing. Don't do anything stupid.
Ryan, My dad refers to a phrase like that as "Easy preachin', Hard livin'." Sometimes
common sense is the uncommon virtue.
When I was flying in the Marine Corps, my CO used to tell us to ask ourselves the
question, "How will I explain my decisions on this flight, if I am standing
in front of a review board in the event of an incident." Not a bad question for
all of us to ask ourselves before we fly.
Just a late $.02 worth.
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Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
USMC, USMCR, ATP
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| Subject: | Re: Flying to brodhead 2014. |
Hi Tools,
Eggsellent!
I am still planning on making the trip from 2GA9, Snellville, GA. My rough
calendar plan is similar to yours. Do you have a reason for Sullivan as an
overnight stop? Is there a grass strip you plan to use (Drake?). Id
previously planned to make my first stop 3M5 (Moontown) as its grass,
would make a good first leg (about 2-2.5 h) and would get me west of most
of the Blue Ridge Mountains.
Thanks,
Jeff
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Professor of Ophthalmology
Emory University School of Medicine
On 6/9/14, 6:00 PM, "tools" <n0kkj@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>Been somewhat on the fence about bringing up the Piet, but have decided
>to do it.
>
>Will be starting from 9A5, Lafayette GA. Probably overnighting near
>Sullivan IN, then getting in the next day. Prob take off Wed, get in
>Thurs noonish.
>
>Will likely have a ground chaser coming along. Anyone wanting to fly
>along or meet along the way is more than welcome. May be a couple more
>planes coming from the Atlanta area, no confirmations yet.
>
>Will also be taking her up to the convention on Sun morning for the week.
>
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| Subject: | Re: ###Second Flight#### |
Hello Chris. Sweet looking plane...very nice.- Could you please tell me w
hat size/type aluminum wing struts you are using? I see that it appears you
used a bolt through the wing struts to attach the jury struts. I am curiou
s as to what size strut and what size bolt you are using.=0A=0AThank you.
=0A=0A=0AIf God is your co-pilot...switch seats. =0AMike Perez =0AKaretaker
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| Subject: | Re: ###Second Flight#### |
Pretty plane. What is the "Alternate History" of the paint job? Is yours
actually a Pietenpol with the Fokker Razor (See Fokker DIII) modifications?
(LOL)
I am asking because I just don't visualize the problem. Do you have to pull
on the stick to stay level? IE tail heavy?
Did you shim up the rear of the elevator (or horizontal stab?) or the
Front? On my plane there was a plywood "shim" under the front of the
Horizontal Stabilizer and I understand that it was In order to help
compensate for a tail heavy condition.
Blue Skies,
Steve D
Post first flight, I am going to make an alternate history for my plane
compleate with a battle record in a faux war. Print it out for flyins.
Blue Skies,
Steve D
On Mon, Jun 9, 2014 at 9:12 PM, Boatright, Jeffrey <jeffboatright@emory.edu>
wrote:
> jeffboatright@emory.edu>
>
> Hi Chris,
>
> Sorry to hear of these difficulties. I went through similar, including
> altering the elevator angle and messing about with trim. Check your weight
> and balance carefully. My problem turned out to be the CG was too far aft.
> I ended up moving the wing back 3 inches. Seemed to help most of the
> problems.
>
> Jeff
>
> --
>
>
> On 6/9/14, 9:25 PM, "Chris Rusch" <rmdinfo@rmdbenders.com> wrote:
>
> ><rmdinfo@rmdbenders.com>
> >
> >We'll folks, had the Piet up for its third flight a few days ago about
> >1/2 hour, and my rear stick pressure is still there and really heavy. In
> >order to fix this condition, last fall I shimmed up the rear of the
> >elevator a 1/4" and it did absolutely nothing. After reading some riblett
> >posts I think I need to make the cabanes 11/16 different to get the same
> >2 deg angle of incedence, to match the fc10 airfoil. Before I tear it
> >apart, I am going to have my test pilot fly with 50# worth of ballast
> >with him, that would equal my 200# and see if I'm just on the front edge
> >of the weight and balance. My trim don't work either. I was really hoping
> >to be flying myself by this time, but I don't think it's gonna happen for
> >awhile. On a positive note, the engine ran great!
> >Open for any input....
> >
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| Subject: | Re: ###Second Flight#### |
Hi Chris,
I would think that shimming the horizontal stabilizer might change your fin/rudder/tail
post hinge line... to the point of not fitting or causing a bind. I
would really consider twisting the horizontal stabilizer. You could twist the
leading edge down with the wires. It would probably surprise you how much you
could twist it and how much of an effect it might have. That stabilizer has
a lot of area. I really think Mr. Pietenpol designed the stabilizer like he did
so that he could tweak it to adjust the trim as needed. Mr. Pietenpol's simple
genius strikes again!
Don Emch
NX899DE
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| Subject: | Re: Vasek's Pietenpol project |
Some updates for you :D
Welcome to Vasek's Aircraft Industries :D
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| Subject: | Re: ###Second Flight#### |
Yes I shimmed the rear....and it did screw up the rudder alignment. I had to space
out the hinges to get it all lined back up. Never thought of twisting the
elevator...could give that a try pretty easily. Thanks!
Don Emch wrote:
> Hi Chris,
>
> I would think that shimming the horizontal stabilizer might change your fin/rudder/tail
post hinge line... to the point of not fitting or causing a bind.
I would really consider twisting the horizontal stabilizer. You could twist the
leading edge down with the wires. It would probably surprise you how much
you could twist it and how much of an effect it might have. That stabilizer has
a lot of area. I really think Mr. Pietenpol designed the stabilizer like he
did so that he could tweak it to adjust the trim as needed. Mr. Pietenpol's
simple genius strikes again!
>
> Don Emch
> NX899DE
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| Subject: | Re: ###Second Flight#### |
Im using the bigger size strut in the front and the smaller in the rear. the lift
struts are all the smaller size. I think they only offer those two sizes
[quote="speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.n"]Hello Chris. Sweet looking plane...very nice.
Could you please tell me what size/type aluminum wing struts you are using?
I see that it appears you used a bolt through the wing struts to attach the jury
struts. I am curious as to what size strut and what size bolt you are using.
Thank you.
If God is your co-pilot...switch seats.
Mike Perez
Karetaker Aero
STILL Building...
> [b]
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| Subject: | Re: ###Second Flight#### |
As Don Emch suggested, adjust the leading edge of the horizontal stabilizer
by changing the tension on the tail bracing cables.
This won't correct a CG issue so ensure your Weight & Balance is correct.
Also, ensure your elevators are rigged so they are even with each other.
NX18235 had a small variance with the elevator rigging resulting in a
pronounced nose-heaviness.
Greg Cardinal
Minneapolis
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From: "Chris Rusch" <rmdinfo@rmdbenders.com>
Sent: Monday, June 09, 2014 8:25 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: ###Second Flight####
> <rmdinfo@rmdbenders.com>
>
> We'll folks, had the Piet up for its third flight a few days ago about 1/2
> hour, and my rear stick pressure is still there and really heavy. In order
> to fix this condition, last fall I shimmed up the rear of the elevator a
> 1/4" and it did absolutely nothing. After reading some riblett posts I
> think I need to make the cabanes 11/16 different to get the same 2 deg
> angle of incedence, to match the fc10 airfoil. Before I tear it apart, I
> am going to have my test pilot fly with 50# worth of ballast with him,
> that would equal my 200# and see if I'm just on the front edge of the
> weight and balance. My trim don't work either. I was really hoping to be
> flying myself by this time, but I don't think it's gonna happen for
> awhile. On a positive note, the engine ran great!
> Open for any input....
>
> --------
> NX321LR
> Now test flying!!
> Mitsubishi Powered
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=424587#424587
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| Subject: | Fully Loaded Piet |
SundayI flew up with a front seat navigator/radio
operatorabout 180 lbs. It was calm and about 70=81=B0. The
day quickly heated up to 108! And the wind picked up to 11 kts =93
gusting to 16. I traded the navigator for my grandson for the flight
home.
There was an absolutely incredible Lancair next to me, and he aced me
out of the max points, but our chapter also competed in the spot landing
and flour bombing, and took 1st place in both eventswe ended up
with the most points and the $300 purse! Guess we=99re going to
purchase another BBQ for eggs and bacon to go along with our pancakes!
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
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| Subject: | Re: ###Second Flight#### |
Chris,
You have a beautiful plane!!
I, too, adjusted my horizontal as Greg describes...flies hands off, now (for
about 10 seconds!!!)
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Greg
Cardinal
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2014 3:07 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: ###Second Flight####
--> <gcardinal@comcast.net>
As Don Emch suggested, adjust the leading edge of the horizontal stabilizer
by changing the tension on the tail bracing cables.
This won't correct a CG issue so ensure your Weight & Balance is correct.
Also, ensure your elevators are rigged so they are even with each other.
NX18235 had a small variance with the elevator rigging resulting in a
pronounced nose-heaviness.
Greg Cardinal
Minneapolis
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Rusch" <rmdinfo@rmdbenders.com>
Sent: Monday, June 09, 2014 8:25 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: ###Second Flight####
> <rmdinfo@rmdbenders.com>
>
> We'll folks, had the Piet up for its third flight a few days ago about 1/2
> hour, and my rear stick pressure is still there and really heavy. In order
> to fix this condition, last fall I shimmed up the rear of the elevator a
> 1/4" and it did absolutely nothing. After reading some riblett posts I
> think I need to make the cabanes 11/16 different to get the same 2 deg
> angle of incedence, to match the fc10 airfoil. Before I tear it apart, I
> am going to have my test pilot fly with 50# worth of ballast with him,
> that would equal my 200# and see if I'm just on the front edge of the
> weight and balance. My trim don't work either. I was really hoping to be
> flying myself by this time, but I don't think it's gonna happen for
> awhile. On a positive note, the engine ran great!
> Open for any input....
>
> --------
> NX321LR
> Now test flying!!
> Mitsubishi Powered
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=424587#424587
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fully Loaded Piet |
Atta way to go, Gary! Where was that flyin? Sure is a beautiful plane!
Ray Krause
Sent from my iPad
> On Jun 10, 2014, at 4:28 PM, "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> SundayI flew up with a front seat navigator/radio operator
about 180 lbs. It was calm and about 70=81=B0. The day quickly heated u
p to 108! And the wind picked up to 11 kts =93 gusting to 16. I traded
the navigator for my grandson for the flight home.
>
> There was an absolutely incredible Lancair next to me, and he aced me out o
f the max points, but our chapter also competed in the spot landing and flou
r bombing, and took 1st place in both eventswe ended up with the mo
st points and the $300 purse! Guess we=99re going to purchase another B
BQ for eggs and bacon to go along with our pancakes!
>
> Gary Boothe
> NX308MB
>
> <Golden West Air Show 002.JPG>
> <Z and Me at Golden West 2014.jpg>
> <Chapter 1541, Golden West 2014.jpg>
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| Subject: | Re: Flying to brodhead 2014. |
Purely distance. I'm open to anything. I did find a private strip about an hour
north of sullivan that would host us. Could check on that, or good for your
idea, this really is a plea for what ever fits whomever is coming along.
It'll be an adventure any way we look at it. With a chase vehicle, we can get
avgas to where ever we overnight, no worries!
Tools
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| Subject: | Fully Loaded Piet |
Golden West Air Show, Marysville, Ca (MYV)
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ray
Krause
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2014 7:03 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fully Loaded Piet
Atta way to go, Gary! Where was that flyin? Sure is a beautiful plane!
Ray Krause
Sent from my iPad
On Jun 10, 2014, at 4:28 PM, "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote:
SundayI flew up with a front seat navigator/radio
operatorabout 180 lbs. It was calm and about 70=81=B0. The
day quickly heated up to 108! And the wind picked up to 11 kts =93
gusting to 16. I traded the navigator for my grandson for the flight
home.
There was an absolutely incredible Lancair next to me, and he aced me
out of the max points, but our chapter also competed in the spot landing
and flour bombing, and took 1st place in both eventswe ended up
with the most points and the $300 purse! Guess we=99re going to
purchase another BBQ for eggs and bacon to go along with our pancakes!
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
<Golden West Air Show 002.JPG>
<Z and Me at Golden West 2014.jpg>
<Chapter 1541, Golden West 2014.jpg>
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| Subject: | Re: Fully Loaded Piet |
Wanted to go, too much family activity! The older one gets, the more the fam
ily gathers around to see if the old folks have gone over the edge!
Ray
Sent from my iPad
> On Jun 10, 2014, at 7:52 PM, "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> Golden West Air Show, Marysville, Ca (MYV)
>
> Gary Boothe
> NX308MB
>
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-li
st-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ray Krause
> Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2014 7:03 PM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fully Loaded Piet
>
> Atta way to go, Gary! Where was that flyin? Sure is a beautiful plane!
>
> Ray Krause
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Jun 10, 2014, at 4:28 PM, "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> SundayI flew up with a front seat navigator/radio operator
about 180 lbs. It was calm and about 70=81=B0. The day quickly heated u
p to 108! And the wind picked up to 11 kts =93 gusting to 16. I traded
the navigator for my grandson for the flight home.
>
> There was an absolutely incredible Lancair next to me, and he aced me out o
f the max points, but our chapter also competed in the spot landing and flou
r bombing, and took 1st place in both eventswe ended up with the mo
st points and the $300 purse! Guess we=99re going to purchase another B
BQ for eggs and bacon to go along with our pancakes!
>
> Gary Boothe
> NX308MB
>
> <Golden West Air Show 002.JPG>
> <Z and Me at Golden West 2014.jpg>
> <Chapter 1541, Golden West 2014.jpg>
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
> http://forums.matronics.com
> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>
>
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| Subject: | thoghts on buyng wood |
What is the group's Opinion on where to buy spruce? I will need two pieces.
both 90 inches long. one 1/2 inch by 3/4 inch. The other 3/8 inch by 1 inch
. this piece is e lowest edge of the horizontal stabilizer, It apparenty
had some slight wood rot. It was lined up just down stream of the holds.
Any Idea on getting the Resorcinol glue to let go. It is still well glued
togather.
Also. I will be buying New bolts. One of 12 was almost rusted in half. It
broke when we put the wrenches on it. Some were a little rusted, but were
solid. This plane is 39 years old.
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Blue Skies,
Steve D
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| Subject: | Full Moon over Red River Valley in C-GGLU |
Not sure if its appropriate to share photos of Piet's flying but tonight was a
heavenly flight after a day full of wind - For Sale two terrific aircraft...Piet
has taken over the hangar ;)
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