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1. 03:57 AM - Re: stacking planes (Jeff Martin)
2. 04:27 AM - Re: stacking planes (Charles Burkholder)
3. 06:48 AM - builder questions (Douwe Blumberg)
4. 07:00 AM - flying north (Douwe Blumberg)
5. 07:13 AM - Re: flying north (Boatright, Jeffrey)
6. 07:53 AM - Re: Flying to brodhead 2014. (tools)
7. 08:12 AM - Re: stacking planes (shad bell)
8. 08:16 AM - Re: Re: Flying to brodhead 2014. (Boatright, Jeffrey)
9. 08:25 AM - Re: stacking planes (Jim Boyer)
10. 10:43 AM - Hinge Tail Feathers (namrednos)
11. 10:45 AM - Re: stacking planes (G Hansen)
12. 10:56 AM - Fw: Varnish (John Greenlee)
13. 11:21 AM - Re: Fw: Varnish (Scott Knowlton)
14. 11:40 AM - Re: Flying to brodhead 2014. (tools)
15. 11:48 AM - Parking at Air Venture. (tools)
16. 06:33 PM - Re: Flying to brodhead 2014. (tools)
17. 06:38 PM - Re: Flying to brodhead 2014. (tools)
18. 07:23 PM - Re: Fw: Varnish (Chris)
19. 08:04 PM - Material for wing ribs (Claude Corbett)
20. 08:36 PM - FW: ForeFlight: 2GA9 9A5 M54 I91 C16 C77 C37 (Boatright, Jeffrey)
21. 09:12 PM - Re: stacking planes (taildrags)
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Subject: | Re: stacking planes |
I would be more concerned with the landing gear
Jeff Martin
> On Jun 11, 2014, at 11:42 PM, Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch@gmail.com> wr
ote:
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> Guys, as I get my Pietenpol Air Camper closer to flight I am faced with th
e dilemma of too many plane for one hangar. My 40X32 hangar (minus 7 ft in e
ach front corner for folding doors) is too small to park both the old Vtail B
onanza there and the Piet in the normal way.
>
> I have done a lot of math. But this looks like a real solution. please lo
ok at these photos and tell me if parking the Pietenpol this way will damage
the engine A65 Contenental or the plane? Of course I may have to drain fuel
to do this. Will the engine oil be a problem?
>
> Blue Skies,
> Steve D.
>
> <stacked cub.jpg>
> <cubs_stacked.jpg>
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Subject: | Re: stacking planes |
Um, I will take 3 of those Cubs please. Nobody will miss them. LOL
Charles Burkholder
On 6/11/2014 10:42 PM, Steven Dortch wrote:
>
> Guys, as I get my Pietenpol Air Camper closer to flight I am faced
> with the dilemma of too many plane for one hangar. My 40X32 hangar
> (minus 7 ft in each front corner for folding doors) is too small to
> park both the old Vtail Bonanza there and the Piet in the normal way.
>
> I have done a lot of math. But this looks like a real solution. please
> look at these photos and tell me if parking the Pietenpol this way
> will damage the engine A65 Contenental or the plane? Of course I may
> have to drain fuel to do this. Will the engine oil be a problem?
>
> Blue Skies,
>
> Steve D.
>
>
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Subject: | builder questions |
Welcome to the list John,
just got back from a trip and havne't ead all the recent posts, so I'm not sure
what responses you've gotten so far.
Dick Navratil has a Rotec on his Piet and it flies great, as do many of the Corvair
powered ones, so both options have proved successful.
I'm not personally familiar with aircraft spruce's kits, but they've been discussed
a lot on the list and can be found in the archives, as can discussions about
all your questions.
>From the discussions I"v seen, they are FAIRLY complete, but seem to be missing
certain pieces, but I think the quality seems good.
Ken Bickers is building a Piet in your area and would be a good resource of knowledge.
Reaching out to him would be a wise step.
Fuselage length is a personal choice. most guys use and like the longer fuselage
because there's more room in the cockpits. Unless you're pretty small, I'd
vote for the longer fuse. Mine is the short fuselage, I'm 5'9" and 150lbs and
the pit feels none too large, especially in winter clothes.
Good luck and stay plugged in here!
Douwe
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Last year I flew from northern KY to Brodhead making stops in Kokomo IN and Lowell
Airfield in Illinois.
Not sure where Kokomo is along your route, but it was a FABULOUS grass strip with
fuel and a nice lounge and super friendly/welcoming ownership.
I'd love to hook up with some of you guys if we could rendezvous somewhere not
too far out of anybody's way.
Douwe
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Subject: | Re: flying north |
Hi Douwe,
Do you recall which Kokomo airport? Theres OKK, Hartman, Indian Hills,
Glenndale, etc.
Thanks,
Jeff
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Professor of Ophthalmology
Emory University School of Medicine
On 6/12/14, 9:59 AM, "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg@earthlink.net> wrote:
><douweblumberg@earthlink.net>
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>Last year I flew from northern KY to Brodhead making stops in Kokomo IN
>and Lowell Airfield in Illinois.
>
>Not sure where Kokomo is along your route, but it was a FABULOUS grass
>strip with fuel and a nice lounge and super friendly/welcoming ownership.
>
>I'd love to hook up with some of you guys if we could rendezvous
>somewhere not too far out of anybody's way.
>
>Douwe
>
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Subject: | Re: Flying to brodhead 2014. |
Jeff,
If Moontown is your first stop, we could meet up at our first stop, m54, Lebanon.
They've got a grass runway, been there a few times.
We had 3 legs to Sullivan, didn't get started until noon or so and had a long sit
enroute. You'd have four to get that far north...
Still not hung up on Sullivan, just havn't scoured the sectional for a nearby strip
that's grass. Maybe Shawnee (1i3)? Not sure where Drake is...
Douwe,
The fields you mention are a bit out of our way. Looks like you're skirting Indianapolis
to the north, if you do the same to the south, our paths get pretty
close.
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Subject: | Re: stacking planes |
You may get a little oil out of the front seal but as long as it is not sit
ting on the crank it should be fine.- Put some kind of fixture on the eng
ine mount to sit it up like that.- You will probably want to let it sit l
evel for an hour or so to get the oil back where it is supposed to be.=0A
=0AShad =0A=0A=0AOn Thursday, June 12, 2014 7:33 AM, Charles Burkholder <bo
rn2fly@abcmailbox.net> wrote:=0A =0A=0A=0AUm, I will take 3 of those Cubs
please. Nobody will miss them. LOL=0ACharles Burkholder=0A=0AOn 6/11/2014 1
0:42 PM, Steven Dortch wrote:=0A =0A =0A>Guys, as I get my Pietenpol Air Ca
mper closer to flight I am faced with the dilemma of too many plane for one
hangar. My 40X32 hangar (minus 7 ft in each front corner for folding doors
) is too small to park both the old Vtail Bonanza there and the Piet in the
normal way. =0A>- =0A>I have done a lot of math. But this looks like a
real solution. -please look at these photos and tell me if parking the P
ietenpol this way will damage the engine A65 Contenental or the plane? Of c
ourse I may have to drain fuel to do this. Will the engine oil be a problem
? =0A>- =0A>Blue Skies, =0A>Steve D. =0A> =0A> =0A>=0A>No virus found
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Subject: | Re: Flying to brodhead 2014. |
Hi Tools,
M54 is one of two options Id been planning for my second stop I really
prefer grass for anything other than early morning or evening landings as
my mains are simple motorcycle wheels from some unknown 60s bike, probably
with much less lateral strength than what is needed.
Another option is that I could make Lafayette my first stop. Its about
1.5 hours from 2GA9, which would be a decent opening to the journey. What
time do you hope to depart? If its super early, maybe Id fly up the
evening before or some such.
After work, Ill send you a complete list of enroute options that Ive
been pondering and get your take on them.
This is coming together nicely.
Jeff
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Professor of Ophthalmology
Emory University School of Medicine
On 6/12/14, 10:53 AM, "tools" <n0kkj@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>Jeff,
>
>If Moontown is your first stop, we could meet up at our first stop, m54,
>Lebanon. They've got a grass runway, been there a few times.
>
>We had 3 legs to Sullivan, didn't get started until noon or so and had a
>long sit enroute. You'd have four to get that far north...
>
>Still not hung up on Sullivan, just havn't scoured the sectional for a
>nearby strip that's grass. Maybe Shawnee (1i3)? Not sure where Drake
>is...
>
>Douwe,
>
>The fields you mention are a bit out of our way. Looks like you're
>skirting Indianapolis to the north, if you do the same to the south, our
>paths get pretty close.
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=424750#424750
>
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Subject: | Re: stacking planes |
Hi Steve,
This is the way airplanes were stacked for the winter in our hangar in South Dakota,
but I think the oil and gas were drained.
Jim B.
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Subject: | Hinge Tail Feathers |
I am about to start making my tail hinges. On the plans, 13Ga. material is called
out with #8 screws. In the Flying Manual 16Ga. material is called out with
3/16" hex bolts (close to #10).
Does any one have a comment.
I am going to try the Bill Church method to make hinge plates without welding.
Scott
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Subject: | Re: stacking planes |
Back in the early fifties I remember seeing a single row of Aeronca
Champions stacked nose down along a hangar wall with each propeller
resting in an old tire on the floor. The tailwheels were up against the
hangar wall and the main wheels were not chocked. I don=99t know
whether the fuel was drained, but am pretty sure the oil was still in
the tank. I didn=99t know it at the time, but later (in 1953) one
of those Champs became the first airplane I ever owned.
Stacking was an effective way to free up floor space and still could be,
provided the ceiling is high enough. Basically, stacking is for storage;
it probably isn=99t practical for airplanes in frequent use.
Cheers,
Graham Hansen (Alberta, Canada)
From: shad bell
Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2014 9:12 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: stacking planes
You may get a little oil out of the front seal but as long as it is not
sitting on the crank it should be fine. Put some kind of fixture on the
engine mount to sit it up like that. You will probably want to let it
sit level for an hour or so to get the oil back where it is supposed to
be.
Shad
On Thursday, June 12, 2014 7:33 AM, Charles Burkholder
<born2fly@abcmailbox.net> wrote:
Um, I will take 3 of those Cubs please. Nobody will miss them. LOL
Charles Burkholder
On 6/11/2014 10:42 PM, Steven Dortch wrote:
Guys, as I get my Pietenpol Air Camper closer to flight I am faced
with the dilemma of too many plane for one hangar. My 40X32 hangar
(minus 7 ft in each front corner for folding doors) is too small to park
both the old Vtail Bonanza there and the Piet in the normal way.
I have done a lot of math. But this looks like a real solution.
please look at these photos and tell me if parking the Pietenpol this
way will damage the engine A65 Contenental or the plane? Of course I may
have to drain fuel to do this. Will the engine oil be a problem?
Blue Skies,
Steve D.
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I had a similar occurrence with Epifanes. The supplier suggested pouring it
through a fine paint filter. The "bears" were all caught and the product w
as returned to its clear, usable state. Good luck. Epifanes is great stuff
.
Scott K
Burlington
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> On Jun 12, 2014, at 1:58 PM, "John Greenlee" <jmgreenlee@sbcglobal.net> wr
ote:
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> From: John Greenlee <jmgreenlee@sbcglobal.net>;
> To: <pietenpol-digest-list@matronics.com>;
> Subject: Varnish
> Sent: Thu, Jun 12, 2014 5:48:51 PM
>
> Help! I've got gummy bears or jelly like stuff suspended in my Epifanes (a
high grade boat varnish). How do I reconstitute this stuff?
>
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Subject: | Re: Flying to brodhead 2014. |
Oh even better if you can do Lafayette.
Even better than that, I'll get the coordinates of a grass strip of a friend's
about 10 mi north of there, it's only 10 minutes from my place, we can overnight
you easily... although don't need a super early departure, just might make
the next day a bit easier.
Should be able to get your plane indoors there, we'll get some gas from Lafayette
to fuel up.
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Subject: | Parking at Air Venture. |
I was contacted by the Hatz guys who have their fly in colocated with ours at Brodhead.
Kevin Conner (I hope I have his name right) has been working with the
homebuilt coordinator at EAA for a couple years and finally has a "vintage homebuilt"
sort of area set up.
An area for planes like the Hatz, Fly Baby's, Tailwinds, and of course the grand
puba of vintage homebuilts, Piets! It's a great idea.
He has invited as many Piets that want to park there, to park there. There's also
a little "show area" where we've been invited to park a plane, so hopefully
one of the show planes come along.
He's putting together an email of exactly what the arrangement is, that I'll repost
as soon as I get it. If we can get some posters made, we'll display them
there, if not, I'll just borrow the ones from the Piet hangar at Pioneer.
Kevin will be at Brodhead and would like to address the entire group about what
he has going, so all the finer details can be acquired then (like where to actually
taxi once you land). Not a "sign up" sort of thing (the parking). Who
ever shows, shows.
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Subject: | Re: Flying to brodhead 2014. |
Oh, and Wendel's place can host as many as come along. Can probably get two, maybe
three in his hangar. He might be flying up as well... he's got a REALLY
nice RV8, he'll probably take off directly for KOSH so would likely be leaving
well after us.
If anyone is in the mood to try landing at our place, can get quite a few under
cover. Probably worth landing at Wendel's, then coming over to look over the
field in person and then deciding for yourself. It's quite a climb after landing...
However a very easy approach with no obstacles.
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Subject: | Re: Flying to brodhead 2014. |
My place:
The coords are: 34.833250, 085.325110
The best field to fly into is either Wilson Field
34.869454, 085.200019i
Or Wendell's place:
34.872324, 085.250305
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John
I believe it is partially cured varnish that is in the can. This is quite
common with varnish. It will react with the air that gets into the can when
you open and closed multiple times. Next time pore what you need into
another container so you can keep the can closed. Also try to remove the
air by replacing it with something else. Some people put a small piece of
plastic on the surface or squirt a shot of propane into the can to remove
the air. Other things work too.
Some people have had luck straining the clumps out while others think it is
no longer good for a quality finish because it will leave tinny lumps.
There is no way to reconstitute it that I know of. I think it would be ok
if you are covering that part of the plane but I'd buy a new can if it was
the instrument panel.
Chris T.
Sacramento, Ca
Westcoastpiet.com
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John
Greenlee
Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2014 10:53 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fw: Varnish
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From: John Greenlee <jmgreenlee@sbcglobal.net
<mailto:jmgreenlee@sbcglobal.net> >;
<mailto:pietenpol-digest-list@matronics.com> >;
Subject: Varnish
Sent: Thu, Jun 12, 2014 5:48:51 PM
Help! I've got gummy bears or jelly like stuff suspended in my Epifanes (a
high grade boat varnish). How do I reconstitute this stuff?
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Subject: | Material for wing ribs |
Pieters,
Last spring I wrote this group that I was beginning to build some sets of wi
ng ribs. Many events have prevented my completing this project. I've tried t
o make a few but I'm experiencing frustration and impatience which results i
n inferior workmanship. Not that I think I'm a craftsman but I would not lik
e to leave some products less than I would like. So, the purpose of this let
ter is to offer some poor Piet builder my inventory of materials I purchased
for this project.
6 pcs Douglas.Fir from Puget Sound Area, 6ftx6 in kiln dried, close vertical
grain, no pitch pockets. The very finest I could acquire. 2 4x8 sheets boa
t plywood for gussets and. 1 sheet of plywood for 1/8purpose.
T 88 And nails from Wicks. 42.77
Lumber and plywood from Eden-saw. 408.80
451.5
7 No more no less. FOB Shreveport, La
About half the lumber has been milled down to 1/4x3/8 x 5 ft for caps trip
A few gussets cutout.
Anyone interested please contact me direct on internet or 318 455 7435
I guarantee a real bargain
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Subject: | FW: ForeFlight: 2GA9 9A5 M54 I91 C16 C77 C37 |
What do you guys think of this plan? I am completely open to any alternativ
e suggestions about airports vaguely near this flight path and any local pr
oblems you may know of that may arise from this plan. The fields chosen all
have turf runways (except 9A1, but Tools has given us alternative grass st
rips nearby). Grass is not absolutely necessary, but it=92s nice. I don=92t
know much else about these airports except I=92ve read that Frasca Field (
C16) and Poplar Grove (C77) are neat places.
The cities/large towns near this path are roughly: Snellville GA (2GA9), La
fayette GA /Chattanooga (9A1), Lebanon TN (M54), Evansville/Boonville IN (I
91), Urbana IL (C16), Poplar Grove IL (C77), Brodhead WI (C37).
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Subject: | Re: stacking planes |
Pretty cool! It would definitely get the attention of passers-by! If you have
a Continental, just looking at the photos and the angle of the engine, I don't
see how much of the oil would get out of the kidney tank into the crankcase,
and even if it did, I don't see how it would be up into the main seal. Fuel
would definitely be a problem with my airplane if there was more than about 3/4
tank in it.
It seems like it would be a cinch to hoist the tail from a pulley, and tying off
the rope would hold the airplane securely in that position. My airplane starts
to want to go onto its nose once I raise the tail much past straight and level,
so I would sure want a cushion or rubber tire right where the prop was going
to touch the floor.
Now that I see that, I'm thinking I may just try it out this winter!
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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