---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 06/12/14: 21 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:57 AM - Re: stacking planes (Jeff Martin) 2. 04:27 AM - Re: stacking planes (Charles Burkholder) 3. 06:48 AM - builder questions (Douwe Blumberg) 4. 07:00 AM - flying north (Douwe Blumberg) 5. 07:13 AM - Re: flying north (Boatright, Jeffrey) 6. 07:53 AM - Re: Flying to brodhead 2014. (tools) 7. 08:12 AM - Re: stacking planes (shad bell) 8. 08:16 AM - Re: Re: Flying to brodhead 2014. (Boatright, Jeffrey) 9. 08:25 AM - Re: stacking planes (Jim Boyer) 10. 10:43 AM - Hinge Tail Feathers (namrednos) 11. 10:45 AM - Re: stacking planes (G Hansen) 12. 10:56 AM - Fw: Varnish (John Greenlee) 13. 11:21 AM - Re: Fw: Varnish (Scott Knowlton) 14. 11:40 AM - Re: Flying to brodhead 2014. (tools) 15. 11:48 AM - Parking at Air Venture. (tools) 16. 06:33 PM - Re: Flying to brodhead 2014. (tools) 17. 06:38 PM - Re: Flying to brodhead 2014. (tools) 18. 07:23 PM - Re: Fw: Varnish (Chris) 19. 08:04 PM - Material for wing ribs (Claude Corbett) 20. 08:36 PM - FW: ForeFlight: 2GA9 9A5 M54 I91 C16 C77 C37 (Boatright, Jeffrey) 21. 09:12 PM - Re: stacking planes (taildrags) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:57:20 AM PST US From: Jeff Martin Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: stacking planes I would be more concerned with the landing gear Jeff Martin > On Jun 11, 2014, at 11:42 PM, Steven Dortch wr ote: > > Guys, as I get my Pietenpol Air Camper closer to flight I am faced with th e dilemma of too many plane for one hangar. My 40X32 hangar (minus 7 ft in e ach front corner for folding doors) is too small to park both the old Vtail B onanza there and the Piet in the normal way. > > I have done a lot of math. But this looks like a real solution. please lo ok at these photos and tell me if parking the Pietenpol this way will damage the engine A65 Contenental or the plane? Of course I may have to drain fuel to do this. Will the engine oil be a problem? > > Blue Skies, > Steve D. > > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:27:03 AM PST US From: Charles Burkholder Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: stacking planes Um, I will take 3 of those Cubs please. Nobody will miss them. LOL Charles Burkholder On 6/11/2014 10:42 PM, Steven Dortch wrote: > > Guys, as I get my Pietenpol Air Camper closer to flight I am faced > with the dilemma of too many plane for one hangar. My 40X32 hangar > (minus 7 ft in each front corner for folding doors) is too small to > park both the old Vtail Bonanza there and the Piet in the normal way. > > I have done a lot of math. But this looks like a real solution. please > look at these photos and tell me if parking the Pietenpol this way > will damage the engine A65 Contenental or the plane? Of course I may > have to drain fuel to do this. Will the engine oil be a problem? > > Blue Skies, > > Steve D. > > > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > -- Charles Burkholder Visit my blog @ http://missionmechfund.blogspot.ca/ ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:48:04 AM PST US From: Douwe Blumberg Subject: Pietenpol-List: builder questions Welcome to the list John, just got back from a trip and havne't ead all the recent posts, so I'm not sure what responses you've gotten so far. Dick Navratil has a Rotec on his Piet and it flies great, as do many of the Corvair powered ones, so both options have proved successful. I'm not personally familiar with aircraft spruce's kits, but they've been discussed a lot on the list and can be found in the archives, as can discussions about all your questions. >From the discussions I"v seen, they are FAIRLY complete, but seem to be missing certain pieces, but I think the quality seems good. Ken Bickers is building a Piet in your area and would be a good resource of knowledge. Reaching out to him would be a wise step. Fuselage length is a personal choice. most guys use and like the longer fuselage because there's more room in the cockpits. Unless you're pretty small, I'd vote for the longer fuse. Mine is the short fuselage, I'm 5'9" and 150lbs and the pit feels none too large, especially in winter clothes. Good luck and stay plugged in here! Douwe ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:00:03 AM PST US From: Douwe Blumberg Subject: Pietenpol-List: flying north Last year I flew from northern KY to Brodhead making stops in Kokomo IN and Lowell Airfield in Illinois. Not sure where Kokomo is along your route, but it was a FABULOUS grass strip with fuel and a nice lounge and super friendly/welcoming ownership. I'd love to hook up with some of you guys if we could rendezvous somewhere not too far out of anybody's way. Douwe ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:13:32 AM PST US From: "Boatright, Jeffrey" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: flying north Hi Douwe, Do you recall which Kokomo airport? Theres OKK, Hartman, Indian Hills, Glenndale, etc. Thanks, Jeff -- Jeffrey H. Boatright, PhD, FARVO Professor of Ophthalmology Emory University School of Medicine On 6/12/14, 9:59 AM, "Douwe Blumberg" wrote: > > >Last year I flew from northern KY to Brodhead making stops in Kokomo IN >and Lowell Airfield in Illinois. > >Not sure where Kokomo is along your route, but it was a FABULOUS grass >strip with fuel and a nice lounge and super friendly/welcoming ownership. > >I'd love to hook up with some of you guys if we could rendezvous >somewhere not too far out of anybody's way. > >Douwe > > ________________________________ This e-mail message (including any attachments) is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this message (including any attachments) is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please contact the sender by reply e-mail message and destroy all copies of the original message (including attachments). ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:53:36 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Flying to brodhead 2014. From: "tools" Jeff, If Moontown is your first stop, we could meet up at our first stop, m54, Lebanon. They've got a grass runway, been there a few times. We had 3 legs to Sullivan, didn't get started until noon or so and had a long sit enroute. You'd have four to get that far north... Still not hung up on Sullivan, just havn't scoured the sectional for a nearby strip that's grass. Maybe Shawnee (1i3)? Not sure where Drake is... Douwe, The fields you mention are a bit out of our way. Looks like you're skirting Indianapolis to the north, if you do the same to the south, our paths get pretty close. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=424750#424750 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:12:55 AM PST US From: shad bell Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: stacking planes You may get a little oil out of the front seal but as long as it is not sit ting on the crank it should be fine.- Put some kind of fixture on the eng ine mount to sit it up like that.- You will probably want to let it sit l evel for an hour or so to get the oil back where it is supposed to be.=0A =0AShad =0A=0A=0AOn Thursday, June 12, 2014 7:33 AM, Charles Burkholder wrote:=0A =0A=0A=0AUm, I will take 3 of those Cubs please. Nobody will miss them. LOL=0ACharles Burkholder=0A=0AOn 6/11/2014 1 0:42 PM, Steven Dortch wrote:=0A =0A =0A>Guys, as I get my Pietenpol Air Ca mper closer to flight I am faced with the dilemma of too many plane for one hangar. My 40X32 hangar (minus 7 ft in each front corner for folding doors ) is too small to park both the old Vtail Bonanza there and the Piet in the normal way. =0A>- =0A>I have done a lot of math. But this looks like a real solution. -please look at these photos and tell me if parking the P ietenpol this way will damage the engine A65 Contenental or the plane? Of c ourse I may have to drain fuel to do this. Will the engine oil be a problem ? =0A>- =0A>Blue Skies, =0A>Steve D. =0A> =0A> =0A>=0A>No virus found in this message.=0A>Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com/=0A>06/11/14 =0A =0A-- =0ACharles Burkholder=0AVisit my blog @ http://missionmechfund.blogsp ==================== ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:16:42 AM PST US From: "Boatright, Jeffrey" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Flying to brodhead 2014. Hi Tools, M54 is one of two options Id been planning for my second stop I really prefer grass for anything other than early morning or evening landings as my mains are simple motorcycle wheels from some unknown 60s bike, probably with much less lateral strength than what is needed. Another option is that I could make Lafayette my first stop. Its about 1.5 hours from 2GA9, which would be a decent opening to the journey. What time do you hope to depart? If its super early, maybe Id fly up the evening before or some such. After work, Ill send you a complete list of enroute options that Ive been pondering and get your take on them. This is coming together nicely. Jeff -- Jeffrey H. Boatright, PhD, FARVO Professor of Ophthalmology Emory University School of Medicine On 6/12/14, 10:53 AM, "tools" wrote: > >Jeff, > >If Moontown is your first stop, we could meet up at our first stop, m54, >Lebanon. They've got a grass runway, been there a few times. > >We had 3 legs to Sullivan, didn't get started until noon or so and had a >long sit enroute. You'd have four to get that far north... > >Still not hung up on Sullivan, just havn't scoured the sectional for a >nearby strip that's grass. Maybe Shawnee (1i3)? Not sure where Drake >is... > >Douwe, > >The fields you mention are a bit out of our way. Looks like you're >skirting Indianapolis to the north, if you do the same to the south, our >paths get pretty close. > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=424750#424750 > > ________________________________ This e-mail message (including any attachments) is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this message (including any attachments) is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please contact the sender by reply e-mail message and destroy all copies of the original message (including attachments). ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:25:45 AM PST US From: Jim Boyer Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: stacking planes Hi Steve, This is the way airplanes were stacked for the winter in our hangar in South Dakota, but I think the oil and gas were drained. Jim B. ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:43:16 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Hinge Tail Feathers From: "namrednos" I am about to start making my tail hinges. On the plans, 13Ga. material is called out with #8 screws. In the Flying Manual 16Ga. material is called out with 3/16" hex bolts (close to #10). Does any one have a comment. I am going to try the Bill Church method to make hinge plates without welding. Scott -------- Scott Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=424759#424759 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 10:45:45 AM PST US From: "G Hansen" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: stacking planes Back in the early fifties I remember seeing a single row of Aeronca Champions stacked nose down along a hangar wall with each propeller resting in an old tire on the floor. The tailwheels were up against the hangar wall and the main wheels were not chocked. I don=99t know whether the fuel was drained, but am pretty sure the oil was still in the tank. I didn=99t know it at the time, but later (in 1953) one of those Champs became the first airplane I ever owned. Stacking was an effective way to free up floor space and still could be, provided the ceiling is high enough. Basically, stacking is for storage; it probably isn=99t practical for airplanes in frequent use. Cheers, Graham Hansen (Alberta, Canada) From: shad bell Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2014 9:12 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: stacking planes You may get a little oil out of the front seal but as long as it is not sitting on the crank it should be fine. Put some kind of fixture on the engine mount to sit it up like that. You will probably want to let it sit level for an hour or so to get the oil back where it is supposed to be. Shad On Thursday, June 12, 2014 7:33 AM, Charles Burkholder wrote: Um, I will take 3 of those Cubs please. Nobody will miss them. LOL Charles Burkholder On 6/11/2014 10:42 PM, Steven Dortch wrote: Guys, as I get my Pietenpol Air Camper closer to flight I am faced with the dilemma of too many plane for one hangar. My 40X32 hangar (minus 7 ft in each front corner for folding doors) is too small to park both the old Vtail Bonanza there and the Piet in the normal way. I have done a lot of math. But this looks like a real solution. please look at these photos and tell me if parking the Pietenpol this way will damage the engine A65 Contenental or the plane? Of course I may have to drain fuel to do this. Will the engine oil be a problem? Blue Skies, Steve D. No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com/ 06/11/14 -- Charles Burkholder Visit my blog @ http://missionmechfund.blogspot.ca/ http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect">http://forums.matronics--> http://www.matronics.com/contribution============ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 06/11/14 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 10:56:28 AM PST US From: John Greenlee Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fw: Varnish ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 11:21:20 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fw: Varnish From: Scott Knowlton I had a similar occurrence with Epifanes. The supplier suggested pouring it through a fine paint filter. The "bears" were all caught and the product w as returned to its clear, usable state. Good luck. Epifanes is great stuff . Scott K Burlington Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 12, 2014, at 1:58 PM, "John Greenlee" wr ote: > > > > From: John Greenlee ; > To: ; > Subject: Varnish > Sent: Thu, Jun 12, 2014 5:48:51 PM > > Help! I've got gummy bears or jelly like stuff suspended in my Epifanes (a high grade boat varnish). How do I reconstitute this stuff? > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 11:40:21 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Flying to brodhead 2014. From: "tools" Oh even better if you can do Lafayette. Even better than that, I'll get the coordinates of a grass strip of a friend's about 10 mi north of there, it's only 10 minutes from my place, we can overnight you easily... although don't need a super early departure, just might make the next day a bit easier. Should be able to get your plane indoors there, we'll get some gas from Lafayette to fuel up. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=424764#424764 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 11:48:28 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Parking at Air Venture. From: "tools" I was contacted by the Hatz guys who have their fly in colocated with ours at Brodhead. Kevin Conner (I hope I have his name right) has been working with the homebuilt coordinator at EAA for a couple years and finally has a "vintage homebuilt" sort of area set up. An area for planes like the Hatz, Fly Baby's, Tailwinds, and of course the grand puba of vintage homebuilts, Piets! It's a great idea. He has invited as many Piets that want to park there, to park there. There's also a little "show area" where we've been invited to park a plane, so hopefully one of the show planes come along. He's putting together an email of exactly what the arrangement is, that I'll repost as soon as I get it. If we can get some posters made, we'll display them there, if not, I'll just borrow the ones from the Piet hangar at Pioneer. Kevin will be at Brodhead and would like to address the entire group about what he has going, so all the finer details can be acquired then (like where to actually taxi once you land). Not a "sign up" sort of thing (the parking). Who ever shows, shows. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=424765#424765 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 06:33:10 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Flying to brodhead 2014. From: "tools" Oh, and Wendel's place can host as many as come along. Can probably get two, maybe three in his hangar. He might be flying up as well... he's got a REALLY nice RV8, he'll probably take off directly for KOSH so would likely be leaving well after us. If anyone is in the mood to try landing at our place, can get quite a few under cover. Probably worth landing at Wendel's, then coming over to look over the field in person and then deciding for yourself. It's quite a climb after landing... However a very easy approach with no obstacles. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=424778#424778 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 06:38:36 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Flying to brodhead 2014. From: "tools" My place: The coords are: 34.833250, 085.325110 The best field to fly into is either Wilson Field 34.869454, 085.200019i Or Wendell's place: 34.872324, 085.250305 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=424779#424779 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 07:23:17 PM PST US From: "Chris" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Fw: Varnish John I believe it is partially cured varnish that is in the can. This is quite common with varnish. It will react with the air that gets into the can when you open and closed multiple times. Next time pore what you need into another container so you can keep the can closed. Also try to remove the air by replacing it with something else. Some people put a small piece of plastic on the surface or squirt a shot of propane into the can to remove the air. Other things work too. Some people have had luck straining the clumps out while others think it is no longer good for a quality finish because it will leave tinny lumps. There is no way to reconstitute it that I know of. I think it would be ok if you are covering that part of the plane but I'd buy a new can if it was the instrument panel. Chris T. Sacramento, Ca Westcoastpiet.com From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Greenlee Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2014 10:53 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fw: Varnish _____ From: John Greenlee >; >; Subject: Varnish Sent: Thu, Jun 12, 2014 5:48:51 PM Help! I've got gummy bears or jelly like stuff suspended in my Epifanes (a high grade boat varnish). How do I reconstitute this stuff? ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 08:04:22 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Material for wing ribs From: Claude Corbett Pieters, Last spring I wrote this group that I was beginning to build some sets of wi ng ribs. Many events have prevented my completing this project. I've tried t o make a few but I'm experiencing frustration and impatience which results i n inferior workmanship. Not that I think I'm a craftsman but I would not lik e to leave some products less than I would like. So, the purpose of this let ter is to offer some poor Piet builder my inventory of materials I purchased for this project. 6 pcs Douglas.Fir from Puget Sound Area, 6ftx6 in kiln dried, close vertical grain, no pitch pockets. The very finest I could acquire. 2 4x8 sheets boa t plywood for gussets and. 1 sheet of plywood for 1/8purpose. T 88 And nails from Wicks. 42.77 Lumber and plywood from Eden-saw. 408.80 451.5 7 No more no less. FOB Shreveport, La About half the lumber has been milled down to 1/4x3/8 x 5 ft for caps trip A few gussets cutout. Anyone interested please contact me direct on internet or 318 455 7435 I guarantee a real bargain Sent my iPad
________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 08:36:51 PM PST US From: "Boatright, Jeffrey" Subject: Pietenpol-List: FW: ForeFlight: 2GA9 9A5 M54 I91 C16 C77 C37 What do you guys think of this plan? I am completely open to any alternativ e suggestions about airports vaguely near this flight path and any local pr oblems you may know of that may arise from this plan. The fields chosen all have turf runways (except 9A1, but Tools has given us alternative grass st rips nearby). Grass is not absolutely necessary, but it=92s nice. I don=92t know much else about these airports except I=92ve read that Frasca Field ( C16) and Poplar Grove (C77) are neat places. The cities/large towns near this path are roughly: Snellville GA (2GA9), La fayette GA /Chattanooga (9A1), Lebanon TN (M54), Evansville/Boonville IN (I 91), Urbana IL (C16), Poplar Grove IL (C77), Brodhead WI (C37). [cid:9FD7780B-4D8D-4750-B010-5DD0D7D9800C] =97=97=97=97=97=97=97=97=97=97=97=97=97=97=97=97=97=97=97=97=97=97=97=97=97 =97=97=97=97 Jeffrey H. Boatright, PhD, FARVO Professor of Ophthalmology Emory University School of Medicine Sent from an iPad with a spelling problem ________________________________ This e-mail message (including any attachments) is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this message (including any attachments) is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please contact the sender by reply e-mail message and destroy all copies of the original message (including attachments). ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 09:12:45 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: stacking planes From: "taildrags" Pretty cool! It would definitely get the attention of passers-by! If you have a Continental, just looking at the photos and the angle of the engine, I don't see how much of the oil would get out of the kidney tank into the crankcase, and even if it did, I don't see how it would be up into the main seal. Fuel would definitely be a problem with my airplane if there was more than about 3/4 tank in it. It seems like it would be a cinch to hoist the tail from a pulley, and tying off the rope would hold the airplane securely in that position. My airplane starts to want to go onto its nose once I raise the tail much past straight and level, so I would sure want a cushion or rubber tire right where the prop was going to touch the floor. Now that I see that, I'm thinking I may just try it out this winter! -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=424785#424785 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.