---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 06/19/14: 9 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:45 AM - Piet wing struts sizes---one man's choices (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]) 2. 08:19 AM - Re: model A engine (bender) 3. 10:00 AM - Re: model A engine (AircamperN11MS) 4. 10:03 AM - Re: model A engine (AircamperN11MS) 5. 01:57 PM - Re: R&D into inexpensive components (AG) 6. 02:17 PM - Re: model A engine (tools) 7. 03:51 PM - Re: model A engine (Pietflyer1977) 8. 07:33 PM - Re: Covering (Steven Dortch) 9. 08:00 PM - Re: Covering (Gary Boothe) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:45:52 AM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet wing struts sizes---one man's choices SSBjb3BpZWQgdGhlIDQxMzAgc3RyZWFtbGluZWQgd2luZyBzdHJ1dCBtYXRlcmlhbCBzaXplcyB0 aGF0IEZyYW5rIFNyLiAmIEZyYW5rIEpyLiBQYXZsaWdhIHVzZWQgb24gdGhlaXIgUGlldGVucG9s LiAgICBUaGV5IHVzZWQgZmxvb2RzdG9jaw0KZnJvbSB0aGUgUGlwZXIgRmFjdG9yeSBpbiBMb2Nr aGF2ZW4gYWZ0ZXIgdGhlIGZhY3RvcnkgZ290IGZsb29kZWQuDQoNCk1pa2UgQy4NCk9oaW8NCg0K DQpbY2lkOmltYWdlMDAxLmpwZ0AwMUNGOEI5QS5DMUJGMkRGMF0NCg0K ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 08:19:47 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: model A engine From: "bender" Rich Built My engine too.. and I still feel like he does great work. I just got an email back from him and he says .003 and that's where mine were. So do I have a clearance problem ? I took the bad piston to a friend yesterday and just said "what do you think" he says it looks like it got tight. and the discussion went to A-65's and back to "open it up" and that a looser fit wouldn't hurt anything here are pics... labeled 1-2-3 #1 is nearest the prop jeff Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=425131#425131 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/piston11_940.jpeg http://forums.matronics.com//files/piston03_930.jpeg http://forums.matronics.com//files/piston02_649.jpeg http://forums.matronics.com//files/piston1_206.jpg ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 10:00:55 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: model A engine From: "AircamperN11MS" Hey, After looking at these pics. I am wondering if the rod bearing were put in the rods backwards? Was the bearing with the oil hole installed on the rod end, or in the cap end. The bearing with the oil hole should be installed in the rod side to provide oil to the piston pin and help cool the piston. It seems like a no brainer but I have seen stuff like this happen more than once. Worth checking, -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=425136#425136 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 10:03:08 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: model A engine From: "AircamperN11MS" With gaulding like that you will need to hone the block out before reassembly. Just doing that will give you more clearance. -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=425137#425137 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 01:57:36 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: R&D into inexpensive components From: "AG" Hi, I'm really excited about this trailer wheel idea. I'm currently building a Pietenpol (wooden landing gear) and I've seen the wire moto wheels/tire and they look great but - as a young self-employed person the cost is too much for me. The trailer wheels seem like a great idea! By the way - You said the trailer wheels might not look the best - actually I think with a little work they could actually look pretty cool! What type of brakes did you use? Do you have any recommendations on axle and hubs? This is my first plane so I hope you don't mind - but I'm learning to be rather shameless in begging for knowledge from more experienced builders - so any info/ideas you might have would be much appreciated. Thanks... Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=425144#425144 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 02:17:26 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: model A engine From: "tools" Curious... two rubbed at the widest point, the other was just the opposite... Baffled. Did you ever find out if they are cast or forged pistons? That could explain the need for more clearance. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=425145#425145 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 03:51:14 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: model A engine From: "Pietflyer1977" I have seen these same problems first hand. I have been working on building a new engine with the help of my engine builder and we have been worried about the new aftermarket "China" pistons. Decided to have Ross make new forged pistons and they said they need at least 9 thousandths wall to piston clearance. Also for a airplane running a prop he did not like how the thrust washers go in and the bearing clearance for the insert mains. We are changing all. He also said he can improve the oil system a lot which we are doing. Got a new Scat crankshaft and rods which are way better than other new overseas made balanced crankshafts. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=425149#425149 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:33:27 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Covering From: Steven Dortch OK So it need to get: Lightweight Ceconite (1.8OZ) Ceconite New Super Seam 1 QT (Or Eko Bond glue?) Ceconite Hand Thread 250, Stits Hand Sewing Thread? flat stitch cord 3"Curved Needle or home made needle, (welding rod) 2" Pinked tapes 1" cheapest Home Depot type brush I could find A good old iron and use the same extension cord every time. And mark the three settings. An IR thermometer. (I had one and it has sprouted legs. Also good to use if you have a bad plug to check for the cold jug) And one custom tool for the cement. glue a coffee can lid to the bottom of a Dixie cup for stability, then used another Dixie cup inside the first to put the glue in. After each glue session just replace the inner cup. and don't use a heat gun, no matter what. Anything else? Do I need the Ceconite manual? I would have loved to attend Oshkosh and a homebuilders class. Indeed I had planned on coming, but life intervened. Blue Skies, Steve D On Wed, Jun 18, 2014 at 2:08 PM, Gmail wrote: > > I used an infrared thermometer gun to make sure the iron temp was good. > > Greg Bacon > Mtn. Piet > > > On Jun 18, 2014, at 1:56 PM, Douwe wrote: > > > > > > > > I'd add some anti chafe tape to that list > > > > The covering on the tail is right in the slipstream and vibrates a ton. > Cover the structure where it'll wear the covering. > > > > You'll also want a strip over each rib on the outside of the covering so > the stitching doesn't tear thru > > > > You wife's iron will likely get something on it, don't ask how I > learned this... > > > > Oh, and don't use a heat gun... > > > > Douwe > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > > > > > > -- Blue Skies, Steve D ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:00:26 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Covering Not easy to find, but there are covering video=99s on the EAA websitealong with a plethora of other stuff! Gary Boothe NX308MB From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steven Dortch Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2014 7:33 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Covering OK So it need to get: Lightweight Ceconite (1.8OZ) Ceconite New Super Seam 1 QT (Or Eko Bond glue?) Ceconite Hand Thread 250, Stits Hand Sewing Thread? flat stitch cord 3"Curved Needle or home made needle, (welding rod) 2" Pinked tapes 1" cheapest Home Depot type brush I could find A good old iron and use the same extension cord every time. And mark the three settings. An IR thermometer. (I had one and it has sprouted legs. Also good to use if you have a bad plug to check for the cold jug) And one custom tool for the cement. glue a coffee can lid to the bottom of a Dixie cup for stability, then used another Dixie cup inside the first to put the glue in. After each glue session just replace the inner cup. and don't use a heat gun, no matter what. Anything else? Do I need the Ceconite manual? I would have loved to attend Oshkosh and a homebuilders class. Indeed I had planned on coming, but life intervened. Blue Skies, Steve D On Wed, Jun 18, 2014 at 2:08 PM, Gmail wrote: I used an infrared thermometer gun to make sure the iron temp was good. Greg Bacon Mtn. Piet > On Jun 18, 2014, at 1:56 PM, Douwe wrote: > > > I'd add some anti chafe tape to that list > > The covering on the tail is right in the slipstream and vibrates a ton. Cover the structure where it'll wear the covering. > > You'll also want a strip over each rib on the outside of the covering so the stitching doesn't tear thru > > You wife's iron will likely get something on it, don't ask how I learned this... > > Oh, and don't use a heat gun... > > Douwe > > Sent from my iPhone > > br> -List" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List MS - k">http://forums.matronics.com e - -Matt Dralle, List Admin. t="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution -- Blue Skies, Steve D ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.