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1. 05:24 AM - Re: Re: engine listing (Steven Dortch)
2. 06:45 AM - Re: Air Camper plans (jarheadpilot82)
3. 07:25 AM - Aluminum Wing Strut/Jury Strut Attachment (Michael Perez)
4. 07:42 AM - Re: Aluminum Wing Strut/Jury Strut Attachment (tools)
5. 07:43 AM - Re: Aluminum Wing Strut/Jury Strut Attachment (Brian Kenney)
6. 08:07 AM - Re: Aluminum Wing Strut/Jury Strut Attachment (Ken Bickers)
7. 09:37 AM - Re: Re: Air Camper plans (Dick N)
8. 10:51 AM - Re: Air Camper plans (jarheadpilot82)
9. 11:26 AM - Re: Aluminum Wing Strut/Jury Strut Attachment (Hans van der Voort)
10. 11:40 AM - Re: Air Camper plans (curtdm(at)gmail.com)
11. 11:43 AM - Re: Air Camper plans (jarheadpilot82)
12. 12:41 PM - Who's flying to Brodhead? (Douwe Blumberg)
13. 12:42 PM - Re: Aluminum Wing Strut/Jury Strut Attachment (tools)
14. 12:43 PM - BPA newsletter (Douwe Blumberg)
15. 12:47 PM - Re: Who's flying to Brodhead? (Ken Bickers)
16. 12:48 PM - If The Excitement Of Brodhead Is Still Not Enough For You (jarheadpilot82)
17. 01:00 PM - Re: BPA newsletter (John Hofmann)
18. 01:42 PM - Re: BPA newsletter (Gary Boothe)
19. 01:44 PM - Re: Who's flying to Brodhead? (Gene Rambo)
20. 02:13 PM - Re: Who's flying to Brodhead? (danhelsper@aol.com)
21. 02:23 PM - Re: Who's flying to Brodhead? (Greg Cardinal)
22. 02:27 PM - Re: Who's flying to Brodhead? (Boatright, Jeffrey)
23. 02:31 PM - =?utf-8?Q?Re:__Re:_Air_Camper_plans? (=?utf-8?Q?aviatorbell@yahoo.com?=)
24. 02:31 PM - Re: Who's flying to Brodhead? (gliderx5@comcast.net)
25. 02:36 PM - Re: Who's flying to Brodhead? (tools)
26. 04:16 PM - Re: Air Camper plans (Bill Church)
27. 05:28 PM - Re: Who's flying to Brodhead? (M. Zeke Zechini)
28. 06:09 PM - Re: Engines (Michael Weston)
29. 06:09 PM - Re: Aluminum Wing Strut/Jury Strut Attachment (AircamperN11MS)
30. 07:39 PM - Re: Engines (Mike McGowan)
31. 07:53 PM - Re: Re: Air Camper plans (Clif Dawson)
32. 07:58 PM - Re: Re: Air Camper plans (Clif Dawson)
33. 08:53 PM - Re: Re: Air Camper plans (Dick N)
34. 11:42 PM - Re: Air Camper plans (jarheadpilot82)
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| Subject: | Re: engine listing |
I am sure hoping that jeep engine works, I love Piets and Jeeps. Kind of
like dating a supermodel with a sense of humor, who is a homebrewer.
Blue Skies,
Steve D.
On Thu, Jun 26, 2014 at 10:17 PM, aviken <aviken@windstream.net> wrote:
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> I hope to add the willys jeep 134 L to that list. Working on that
> project now.
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Steve D
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| Subject: | Re: Air Camper plans |
Bill,
There have been definite improvements over the years from the Flyer and Glider
plans of 1932. As an example, the center section is built completely different.
No body would joins the spars in the way it is shown in the 1932 plans. AC 4313
is a much better reference for the scarfing of joints. The lift strut attach
points, I believe, are a good bit different as well.
You will be much happier if you do not skimp, and go ahead and purchase the plans
from the Pietenpol website. In addition to the plans, you get the steel tube
plans, and, most importantly, the weight and balance data that Bernard Pietenpol
added to the later plans.
Also, and I wasn't sure from your post, are you building an Aircamper or a Sky
Scout? There are not any steel tube fuselage plans for the Sky Scout, that I know
of. If I am wrong on that point, someone please chime in-
Finally, I have attached a link to an article written by William Wynne on fuselage
construction. Not to get in a huge "urinating competition", but Dick's comment
that wood fuselages are 'stronger' than steel tube fuselages is simply not
correct, at least from a crash survivability and risk management standpoint.
Are wood fuselages strong? Absolutely. Are they crash survivable for the pilot?
Absolutely. Just ask Kevin Purtee. There are plenty of them flying, and most
Pietenpol fuselages are made of wood. However, I had to point out Dick's statement
as his opinion, not fact. Read William's writing and form your own opinion.
http://flycorvair.net/2012/11/17/steel-tube-fuselages-safe-planes-and-250mph-accidents/
I wish you the best as you make your plans.
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Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
USMC, USMCR, ATP
BVD DVD PDQ BBQ
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| Subject: | Aluminum Wing Strut/Jury Strut Attachment |
I have the smaller aluminum wing struts from Carlson Aircraft, (1.00" X 2.44")and
will also be using their jury struts. My questions are on the use of a single
hole in each wing strut to use a 1/4" eyebolt to secure the jurys. Will this
hole compromise the strength of the strut? Would I be better off using straps
to secure the jurys?
Thanks is advance!
If God is your co-pilot...switch seats.
Mike Perez
Karetaker Aero
STILL Building...
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| Subject: | Re: Aluminum Wing Strut/Jury Strut Attachment |
I stressed over this as well. I decided that as long as you put a piece of aluminum
inside where the hole is, so you can safely tighten the bolt and not crush
the tube, it would be alright.
This piece inside, now gives a place for water to set that may get in the tops,
which didn't seem like a good idea and led me in favor of a smaller bushing rather
than the block.
Lastly, not sure if the strut material can be welded, if so, that seemed like a
good idea.
Since I was reusing jury struts, the process of precisely locating that hole became
problematic, so I went with the straps anyway...
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| Subject: | Aluminum Wing Strut/Jury Strut Attachment |
I don't think you need a 1/4" bolt for a jury strut and I think 3/16" shoul
d be enough. The bigger issue is the internal support if you use a pass thr
u bolt to prevent flattening the strut. One or two strong blind rivets on
one side may be better. The critical connections are the strut ends. I am
working on designing them. The limiting issue with them seems to be the cru
shing of the strut material by the thru bolts as they are in shear. To say
it another way=2C the elongation of the strut holes under maximum load. If
anyone has done this analysis I would like to hear about it.
From: speedbrake@sbcglobal.net
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Aluminum Wing Strut/Jury Strut Attachment
I have the smaller aluminum wing struts from Carlson Aircraft=2C (1.00" X 2
.44") and will also be using their jury struts. My questions are on the use
of a single hole in each wing strut to use a 1/4" eyebolt to secure the ju
rys. Will this hole compromise the strength of the strut? Would I be better
off using straps to secure the jurys?
Thanks is advance!
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Karetaker Aero=0A
STILL Building...=0A
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| Subject: | Re: Aluminum Wing Strut/Jury Strut Attachment |
My thinking on this. I'm not a structural engineer. I don't know how much
a hole through the strut near its midpoint might weaken it, nor do I know
how to calculate such a figure. I do know that the jury strut is there to
keep the strut from collapsing near its midpoint when experiencing negative
loads (i.e., when in compression). I figured that putting a hole at the
exact spot that I was trying to keep the strut from collapsing was a bad
idea. So I used straps to secure the jury struts. They were easy to make
and easy to assemble.
On Fri, Jun 27, 2014 at 8:42 AM, Brian Kenney <brian.kenney@live.ca> wrote:
> I don't think you need a 1/4" bolt for a jury strut and I think 3/16"
> should be enough. The bigger issue is the internal support if you use a
> pass thru bolt to prevent flattening the strut. One or two strong blind
> rivets on one side may be better. The critical connections are the strut
> ends. I am working on designing them. The limiting issue with them seems to
> be the crushing of the strut material by the thru bolts as they are in
> shear. To say it another way, the elongation of the strut holes under
> maximum load. If anyone has done this analysis I would like to hear about
> it.
>
> ------------------------------
> Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2014 07:24:49 -0700
> From: speedbrake@sbcglobal.net
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Aluminum Wing Strut/Jury Strut Attachment
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>
>
> I have the smaller aluminum wing struts from Carlson Aircraft, (1.00" X
> 2.44") and will also be using their jury struts. My questions are on the
> use of a single hole in each wing strut to use a 1/4" eyebolt to secure the
> jurys. Will this hole compromise the strength of the strut? Would I be
> better off using straps to secure the jurys?
>
> Thanks is advance!
>
> If God is your co-pilot...switch seats.
> Mike Perez
> Karetaker Aero
> STILL Building...
>
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| Subject: | Re: Air Camper plans |
Terry
You bit, so bring a case of beer to Brodhead and I will too.and I will bring
a concrete block also. We will put one end of the wood piece and steel
piece on the block and the other end on the ground then we will stand on
them and see what happens.
Dick N.
----- Original Message -----
From: "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82@hotmail.com>
Sent: Friday, June 27, 2014 8:44 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Air Camper plans
> <jarheadpilot82@hotmail.com>
>
> Bill,
>
> There have been definite improvements over the years from the Flyer and
> Glider plans of 1932. As an example, the center section is built
> completely different. No body would joins the spars in the way it is shown
> in the 1932 plans. AC 4313 is a much better reference for the scarfing of
> joints. The lift strut attach points, I believe, are a good bit different
> as well.
>
> You will be much happier if you do not skimp, and go ahead and purchase
> the plans from the Pietenpol website. In addition to the plans, you get
> the steel tube plans, and, most importantly, the weight and balance data
> that Bernard Pietenpol added to the later plans.
>
> Also, and I wasn't sure from your post, are you building an Aircamper or a
> Sky Scout? There are not any steel tube fuselage plans for the Sky Scout,
> that I know of. If I am wrong on that point, someone please chime in-
>
> Finally, I have attached a link to an article written by William Wynne on
> fuselage construction. Not to get in a huge "urinating competition", but
> Dick's comment that wood fuselages are 'stronger' than steel tube
> fuselages is simply not correct, at least from a crash survivability and
> risk management standpoint. Are wood fuselages strong? Absolutely. Are
> they crash survivable for the pilot? Absolutely. Just ask Kevin Purtee.
> There are plenty of them flying, and most Pietenpol fuselages are made of
> wood. However, I had to point out Dick's statement as his opinion, not
> fact. Read William's writing and form your own opinion.
>
> http://flycorvair.net/2012/11/17/steel-tube-fuselages-safe-planes-and-250mph-accidents/
>
> I wish you the best as you make your plans.
>
> --------
> Semper Fi,
>
> Terry Hand
> Athens, GA
>
> USMC, USMCR, ATP
> BVD DVD PDQ BBQ
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=425580#425580
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Air Camper plans |
Dick,
My comments to Bill were only meant to point out that your comments were opinion,
not fact. My comments below are opinion, as well, so anybody reading it, please
take it as such. I am not a structural engineer (and I don't think that Dick
is either), nor did I sleep in a Holiday Inn Express last night-
Wood is strong, no doubt. Steel is as well. But when wood meets its limit it breaks
in a way that steel does not. Steel bends and gives prior to ultimate failure.
There is much less elasticity in wood than steel. All of those are layman's
terms and observation, certainly not professional terms. However, that is
why, as William Wynne noted, dragsters and cropdusters are made out of steel,
not wood. Survivability in a crash.
My only point, Dick, is that it is incorrect to make a blanket statement that wood
is stronger than steel. I don't know Bill's background. He may be a 10,000
hour ATP, or a newly-minted Sport Pilot, an experienced builder, or a new guy.
He needs to decide for himself what he wants to build. I am just pointing out
the difference between opinion and fact.
--------
Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
USMC, USMCR, ATP
BVD DVD PDQ BBQ
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| Subject: | Re: Aluminum Wing Strut/Jury Strut Attachment |
Any hole through the strut will compromise the strength of the strut.=0AIs
it enough to fail the strut ? that depends on the load, the strut dimension
s and material. Plus the-size of the hole.=0AThere is-also the added ri
sk that an-not properly finished hole creates stress risers that could ca
use damage over time.=0A=0AA strap around the strut avoids all this.=0APlus
can easily slide up or down the strut to find the right position for the j
ury strut location.=0A=0AI choose to use a strap.=0A=0AHans=0A=0ANX15KV=0AW
aller, TX =0A=0A=0AOn Friday, June 27, 2014 10:14 AM, Ken Bickers <bickers.
ken@gmail.com> wrote:=0A =0A=0A=0AMy thinking on this. -I'm not a struct
ural engineer. -I don't know how much a hole through the strut near its m
idpoint might weaken it, nor do I know how to calculate such a figure. -I
do know that the jury strut is there to keep the strut from collapsing nea
r its midpoint when experiencing negative loads (i.e., when in compression)
. -I figured that putting a hole at the exact spot that I was trying to k
eep the strut from collapsing was a bad idea. -So I used straps to secure
the jury struts. -They were easy to make and easy to assemble. --
=0A=0A=0A=0AOn Fri, Jun 27, 2014 at 8:42 AM, Brian Kenney <brian.kenney@liv
e.ca> wrote:=0A=0AI don't think you need a 1/4" bolt for a jury strut and I
think-3/16" should be enough. The bigger issue is the internal support i
f you use a pass thru bolt to prevent flattening the strut. One or two stro
ng -blind rivets on one side may be better.- The critical connections a
re the strut ends. I am working on designing them. The limiting issue with
them seems to be the crushing of the strut material by the thru bolts as th
ey are in shear. To say it another way, the elongation of the strut holes u
nder maximum load. -If anyone has done this analysis I would like to hear
about it. =0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>________________________________=0A>Date: Fri, 2
7 Jun 2014 07:24:49 -0700=0A>From: speedbrake@sbcglobal.net=0A>Subject: Pie
tenpol-List: Aluminum Wing Strut/Jury Strut Attachment=0A>To: pietenpol-lis
t@matronics.com=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>I have the smaller aluminum wing struts from
Carlson Aircraft, (1.00" X 2.44") and will also be using their jury struts
. My questions are on the use of a single hole in each wing strut to use a
1/4" eyebolt to secure the jurys. Will this hole compromise the strength of
the strut? Would I be better off using straps to secure the jurys? =0A>=0A
>=0A> =0A>Thanks is advance! =0A>=0A>=0A>If God is your co-pilot...switch s
eats. =0A>Mike Perez =0A>Karetaker Aero =0A>STILL Building... =0A> =0A>st"
target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://
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| Subject: | Re: Air Camper plans |
A quick experiment shows that a plane built using the steel tube plans can fly
so I suspect one made from the Flying and Glider would fly too, but like Dick
said, wood is stronger....so is steel.
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Curt Merdan
Flower Mound, TX
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| Subject: | Re: Air Camper plans |
Curt,
I see that your weight and balance is correct! ;-)
--------
Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
USMC, USMCR, ATP
BVD DVD PDQ BBQ
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| Subject: | Who's flying to Brodhead? |
Okay, let's see a show of hands. Who's planning on flying their Pietenpol
to Brodhead?
I'm planning on it unless the WX disallows it.
D
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| Subject: | Re: Aluminum Wing Strut/Jury Strut Attachment |
Strut ends for the Carlsons.
Carlson does sell 1x1 6061 aluminum to use as inserts just for this. On the small
struts, the flat area is 3/4, so you have to bevel the edges just t tad on
the 1x1 stock.
It seems you have to buy a lot though... and I did... therefore...
I'd be happy to whittle down my 6' length if anyone needs less than 6 feet (or
whatever the minimum was).
On the lower ends, I made a bridal type fitting that fit over the outside. Fit
a large custom nut on the end and overlapped the bridal so I could fit 2 AN4's
(or 5's, can't remember... it's not the strength I'm looking for, rather the
diameter of the bolt to make the hole harder to elongate) spaced about 1 1/2
apart. Those with the insert allows me to squeeze tight enough that I don't think
there's any shear on the bolts because of the friction between the strut
and the bridal part. Probably over done, the straps that make the bridal are
1/8 4130.
On the other lower ends, I just made a fixed length fitting out of two 1/8 strap
4130 pieces.
On the uppers, I used the short swiveling part out of the old steel struts. I
fit this into the insert, and continued the length of the insert further into
the strut to spread the load. I think it's around 6 or 8" long overall. It allows
the struts to align better, and is a neat installation.
Need to get some pics. I made all the fittings in a day, they weren't very labor
intensive or difficult at all.
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Hey John,
Have the newsletters gone out? I've been away and didn't see it in the mail
pile when I returned and was wondering.
Douwe
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| Subject: | Re: Who's flying to Brodhead? |
Not this year. But next year, hell or high water. Ken
On Fri, Jun 27, 2014 at 1:41 PM, Douwe Blumberg <douweblumberg@earthlink.ne
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> wrote:
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> to Brodhead?
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| Subject: | If The Excitement Of Brodhead Is Still Not Enough For |
You
Brodhead weekend needs no help,but I saw this on Avweb. If someone is headed to
Brodhead, it might be another stop worth visiting just up the road.
http://heavybombersweekend.splashthat.com/
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Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
USMC, USMCR, ATP
BVD DVD PDQ BBQ
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| Subject: | Re: BPA newsletter |
Yes they have. They are on the slow boat out.
On Jun 27, 2014, at 2:42 PM, Douwe Blumberg
<douweblumberg@earthlink.net> wrote:
> Hey John,
>
> Have the newsletters gone out? I=92ve been away and didn=92t see it
in the mail pile when I returned and was wondering.
>
> Douwe
>
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.but have the newsletters gone out to the West?
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Hofmann
Sent: Friday, June 27, 2014 1:00 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: BPA newsletter
Yes they have. They are on the slow boat out.
On Jun 27, 2014, at 2:42 PM, Douwe Blumberg <douweblumberg@earthlink.net>
wrote:
Hey John,
Have the newsletters gone out? I've been away and didn't see it in the mail
pile when I returned and was wondering.
Douwe
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| Subject: | Re: Who's flying to Brodhead? |
I'm trying my best!!
Gene
On Jun 27, 2014, at 3:41 PM, "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg@earthlink.net> w
rote:
> Okay, let=99s see a show of hands. Who=99s planning on flying
their Pietenpol to Brodhead?
>
> I=99m planning on it unless the WX disallows it.
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| Subject: | Re: Who's flying to Brodhead? |
I will be there Lord willing and the creek don't rise!! Only have to make i
t over from Poplar Grove!
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: Douwe Blumberg <douweblumberg@earthlink.net>
Sent: Fri, Jun 27, 2014 2:41 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Who's flying to Brodhead?
Okay, let=99s see a show of hands. Who=99s planning on flying
their Pietenpol to Brodhead?
I=99m planning on it unless the WX disallows it.
D
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| Subject: | Re: Who's flying to Brodhead? |
At least two (Bob Poore and myself) coming from Minneapolis. Could be 2 or
3 other Pietenpols making the trip from this area also.
Greg Cardinal
----- Original Message -----
From: Douwe Blumberg
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, June 27, 2014 2:41 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Who's flying to Brodhead?
Okay, let's see a show of hands. Who's planning on flying their Pietenpo
l to Brodhead?
I'm planning on it unless the WX disallows it.
D
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| Subject: | Re: Who's flying to Brodhead? |
The Piet's not ready yet, but I plan to fly the Tripacer in on Friday, then
on the Oshkosh Saturday. I'll have a couple latex paint panels if anyone w
ants to take a look.
Malcolm Morrison
http://wienerdogaero.com/
----- Original Message -----
From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg@earthlink.net>
Sent: Friday, June 27, 2014 3:41:23 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Who's flying to Brodhead?
Okay, let=99s see a show of hands. Who=99s planning on flying t
heir Pietenpol to Brodhead?
I=99m planning on it unless the WX disallows it.
D
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| Subject: | Re: Who's flying to Brodhead? |
I'm still planning on it. Not sure yet if I'll be leaving the Chatt TN area Wed
or Thurs.
Continuing on to Oshkosh on Sun morning for the entire week.
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| Subject: | Re: Air Camper plans |
Shad,
For your sake, I hope your flow rate of warm liquids is equal to or greater than
your flow of cold liquids. (i.e. outflow greater than or equal to inflow)
BC
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| Subject: | Re: Who's flying to Brodhead? |
Attending with Comanche co-owner who is building a Piet. But, in our Comanch
e. NX431LA will attend next year, too
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> On Jun 27, 2014, at 3:47 PM, Ken Bickers <bickers.ken@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Not this year. But next year, hell or high water. Ken
>
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>> On Fri, Jun 27, 2014 at 1:41 PM, Douwe Blumberg <douweblumberg@earthlink.
net> wrote:
>> Okay, let=99s see a show of hands. Who=99s planning on flyin
g their Pietenpol to Brodhead?
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>> I=99m planning on it unless the WX disallows it.
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hey douwe, there was a piet built in minnesota that had an actual buick V-8, i
can't remember the guy's name but, norm tesmar(norm?,readin this?) does.
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| Subject: | Re: Aluminum Wing Strut/Jury Strut Attachment |
Hey guys,
I have 4130 steel struts with straps for the jury struts. I think the straps are
the way to go. Piper has done it that way for more years than I am old. That's
good enough for me.
--------
Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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When I went to Rockford a very long time ago there was a Piet with two
A-65's driving contra rotating props. Mike McGowan
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From: Michael Weston
Sent: Friday, June 27, 2014 8:08 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Engines
hey douwe, there was a piet built in minnesota that had an actual buick V-8,
i can't remember the guy's name but, norm tesmar(norm?,readin this?) does.
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| Subject: | Re: Air Camper plans |
On a Weight to weight basis spruce and most ( not all)
other softwoods are pretty much the same strength
as mild steel. So yes, "wood is as strong as steel". :-)
And the Piet wood structure has proven it's survivability
in a severe crash. Again, just ask William.
But, as you say, each of us has to be comfortable with
our own decisions.
One thought though. The entire weight, including G
forces in maneuvering and weather related, is supported
by the wing is it not?
So? What's the wing made of????? :-)
Clif
Worry gives a small thing a big shadow.
Swedish proverb
>
> Dick,
>
> My only point, Dick, is that it is incorrect to make a blanket statement
> that wood is stronger than steel. I don't know Bill's background. He may
> be a 10,000 hour ATP, or a newly-minted Sport Pilot, an experienced
> builder, or a new guy. He needs to decide for himself what he wants to
> build. I am just pointing out the difference between opinion and fact.
>
> --------
> Semper Fi,
>
> Terry Hand
> Athens, GA
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| Subject: | Re: Air Camper plans |
So why does beer go through the human body so fast?
Clif
> Shad,
> For your sake, I hope your flow rate of warm liquids is equal to or
> greater than your flow of cold liquids. (i.e. outflow greater than or
> equal to inflow)
>
> BC
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| Subject: | Re: Air Camper plans |
Terry
No offence taken but I was hoping to taking a Marine officer for a bit more
money, I will bring stuff with me to Brodhead anyway in case somebody wants
to take me up on my bet. There are liquor stores in town in case.
Dick N.
----- Original Message -----
From: "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82@hotmail.com>
Sent: Friday, June 27, 2014 12:50 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Air Camper plans
> <jarheadpilot82@hotmail.com>
>
> Dick,
>
> My comments to Bill were only meant to point out that your comments were
> opinion, not fact. My comments below are opinion, as well, so anybody
> reading it, please take it as such. I am not a structural engineer (and I
> don't think that Dick is either), nor did I sleep in a Holiday Inn Express
> last night-
>
> Wood is strong, no doubt. Steel is as well. But when wood meets its limit
> it breaks in a way that steel does not. Steel bends and gives prior to
> ultimate failure. There is much less elasticity in wood than steel. All of
> those are layman's terms and observation, certainly not professional
> terms. However, that is why, as William Wynne noted, dragsters and
> cropdusters are made out of steel, not wood. Survivability in a crash.
>
> My only point, Dick, is that it is incorrect to make a blanket statement
> that wood is stronger than steel. I don't know Bill's background. He may
> be a 10,000 hour ATP, or a newly-minted Sport Pilot, an experienced
> builder, or a new guy. He needs to decide for himself what he wants to
> build. I am just pointing out the difference between opinion and fact.
>
> --------
> Semper Fi,
>
> Terry Hand
> Athens, GA
>
> USMC, USMCR, ATP
> BVD DVD PDQ BBQ
>
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>
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| Subject: | Re: Air Camper plans |
Dick,
Just to be clear, as well as being a point of pride, but I was an "E" before I
was an "O". But you can try and take my money any time, Dick.
Semper Fi, Marine!
--------
Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
USMC, USMCR, ATP
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