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1. 04:17 AM - Re: Re: Aluminum Wing Strut/Jury Strut Attachment (Michael Perez)
2. 04:37 AM - barnstorming fly in (Douwe Blumberg)
3. 05:23 AM - Re: Re: Engines (Steven Dortch)
4. 06:14 AM - Re: barnstorming fly in (dewey davenport)
5. 06:15 AM - Re: barnstorming fly in (dewey davenport)
6. 06:58 AM - Re: Brodhead light this year (woodflier)
7. 07:28 AM - Re: Re: Aluminum Wing Strut/Jury Strut Attachment (Charles N. Campbell)
8. 07:37 AM - Re: Brodhead light this year (tools)
9. 07:46 AM - Re: Re: Aluminum Wing Strut/Jury Strut Attachment (Jack Phillips)
10. 08:16 AM - wing spars (Dennis Engelkenjohn)
11. 09:09 AM - Re: Re: Aluminum Wing Strut/Jury Strut Attachment (Steven Dortch)
12. 09:30 AM - Re: Brodhead help (DaveG601XL)
13. 02:22 PM - steel tube jury strut idea, ala Aeronca Champ (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC])
14. 03:37 PM - Re: Engines (Michael Weston)
15. 03:43 PM - Re: Engines (Brian Kenney)
16. 03:59 PM - Brodhead & Oshkosh 2014 ()
17. 05:11 PM - Re: Brodhead & Oshkosh 2014 (AircamperN11MS)
18. 05:48 PM - Re: Re: Brodhead & Oshkosh 2014 (Peter Griffiths)
19. 06:03 PM - Re: Brodhead & Oshkosh 2014 (tools)
20. 06:16 PM - Re: Re: Brodhead & Oshkosh 2014 (Peter Griffiths)
21. 06:30 PM - Re: Re: Engines (Michael Weston)
22. 06:49 PM - Re: barnstorming fly in (shad bell)
23. 07:15 PM - Re: steel tube jury strut idea, ala Aeronca Champ (Ray Krause)
24. 07:17 PM - Re: Brodhead & Oshkosh 2014 (AircamperN11MS)
25. 07:44 PM - Tail wheel (AG)
26. 07:58 PM - Re: Tail wheel (AircamperN11MS)
27. 08:51 PM - Re: Tail wheel (AG)
28. 09:03 PM - Re: Re: Tail wheel (Michael Groah)
29. 09:14 PM - Re: Tail wheel (AG)
30. 09:37 PM - Re: Re: Tail wheel (Gary Boothe)
31. 09:57 PM - Re: Tail wheel (tools)
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| Subject: | Re: Aluminum Wing Strut/Jury Strut Attachment |
Thank you all for the ideas and pictures. I will be making straps and forgo the
drill/eye bolt idea. Jim M., I like that way of making the straps...will be considering
that idea more.
If God is your co-pilot...switch seats.
Mike Perez
Karetaker Aero
STILL Building...
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| Subject: | barnstorming fly in |
I'm planning on flying up to the Barnstorming fly in in springfield with my daughter
for Saturday, leaving Sunday IF the weather is nice. This'll only be her
third flight so it needs to be smooth. might fly up Friday night, or super
early Sat.
Douwe
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The article also mentions a Ford Cortina engine. Extensive research
(Google) shows that the Cortina had a 1.7 or 2.0 liter engine. Would that
be new to the engine list?
Blue Skies,
Steve D
On Sun, Jun 29, 2014 at 7:50 PM, Brian Kenney <brian.kenney@live.ca> wrote:
> I believe it is a 4Y engine which is a pushrod engine not with an
> overhead cam
>
> > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Engines
> > From: taildrags@hotmail.com
> > Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2014 14:40:22 -0700
> > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
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> > OK... sorry... I found out that the Kiwi Piet uses the Toyota 22R engine
> but that still doesn't help figure out how much power it's making. They are
> variously rated at 97-108 HP at 4800-5000 RPM.
> >
> > --------
> > Oscar Zuniga
> > Medford, OR
> > Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
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> > A75 power
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> > Read this topic online here:
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> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=425740#425740
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Steve D
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| Subject: | Re: barnstorming fly in |
Dow that sounds great!! We will all look forward in seeing you and others a
t the event. This is the first year to try this event so let's keep our fig
ures crossed for good weather. So far, we have some really cool airplanes c
oming to the event and if any more Piet's want to join, that would be GREAT
. I know I plan on having mine there. Saturday morning the flight school wi
ll be hosting a pancake breakfast in their hangar ( 8-11). General admissio
n starts at 10 am ( Free) . During the event we plan on having a good selec
tion of aircraft on display, some old cars in the parking lot, kids bounce
house, rocket building workshop for some youngsters, biplane rides, ice cre
am, model airplanes,and etc. Saturday night we will be showing -a outdoor
movie ( Barnstorming) at Young's Dairy which has the best ice cream around
. Fell free to call me if you have any questions. 937-877-0837=0A=0AThanks
=0A-Dewey --=0Awww.barnstormingcarnival.com=0A=0A=0AOn Monday, June 3
0, 2014 7:49 AM, Douwe Blumberg <douweblumberg@earthlink.net> wrote:=0A =0A
arthlink.net>=0A=0AI'm planning on flying up to the Barnstorming fly in in
springfield with my daughter for Saturday, leaving Sunday IF the weather is
nice.- This'll only be her third flight so it needs to be smooth.- mig
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| Subject: | Re: barnstorming fly in |
Forgot to mention. The control tower is closed on Weekends.=0A=0ADewey=0A
=0A=0AOn , dewey davenport <onedgerc@yahoo.com> wrote:=0A =0A=0A=0ADow that
sounds great!! We will all look forward in seeing you and others at the ev
ent. This is the first year to try this event so let's keep our figures cro
ssed for good weather. So far, we have some really cool airplanes coming to
the event and if any more Piet's want to join, that would be GREAT. I know
I plan on having mine there. Saturday morning the flight school will be ho
sting a pancake breakfast in their hangar ( 8-11). General admission starts
at 10 am ( Free) . During the event we plan on having a good selection of
aircraft on display, some old cars in the parking lot, kids bounce house, r
ocket building workshop for some youngsters, biplane rides, ice cream, mode
l airplanes,and etc. Saturday night we will be showing -a outdoor movie (
Barnstorming) at Young's Dairy which has the best ice cream around. Fell f
ree to call me if you have any questions. 937-877-0837=0A=0AThanks=0A-Dew
ey --=0Awww.barnstormingcarnival.com=0A=0A=0AOn Monday, June 30, 2014 7
:49 AM, Douwe Blumberg <douweblumberg@earthlink.net> wrote:=0A =0A=0A=0A-->
Pietenpol-List message posted by: Douwe Blumberg <douweblumberg@earthlink.
net>=0A=0AI'm planning on flying up to the Barnstorming fly in in springfie
ld with my daughter for Saturday, leaving Sunday IF the weather is nice.-
This'll only be her third flight so it needs to be smooth.- might fly up
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| Subject: | Re: Brodhead light this year |
I'm planning on flying my Piet up from Virginia, leaving Wednesday, the 23r
d and arriving Thursday or Friday, depending on weather.
Are there any plans to fly a group of Piets on Sunday to Oshkosh. I'm in fo
r that.
Matt Paxton
NX629ML
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| Subject: | Re: Aluminum Wing Strut/Jury Strut Attachment |
I bought a set of Taylorcraft struts from a friend of mine who had to
replace the struts on his T-craft, not because they had rusted out (There
is absolutely no apparent rust inside the struts) but because the directive
from the FAA said they had to be replaced. The front struts have the strap
around them and I guess I'll have to make a strap for the rear struts.
That is still a few weeks off. I had to take about a year off from
building because of my wife's illness. She passed away in May of this year
so I guess that I will have time to get back on the project now.
On Mon, Jun 30, 2014 at 7:15 AM, Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net>
wrote:
> Thank you all for the ideas and pictures. I will be making straps and
> forgo the drill/eye bolt idea. Jim M., I like that way of making the
> straps...will be considering that idea more.
>
> If God is your co-pilot...switch seats.
> Mike Perez
> Karetaker Aero
> STILL Building...
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| Subject: | Re: Brodhead light this year |
I don't know anything about a "group" fly up on Sunday, but I'm planning on heading
out then, hopefully Jeff B will be as well.
The Hatz guys have arranged some group parking for "vintage homebuilts" at the
convention, and have invited us. A gent named Kevin Conner said he'd get hold
of us during Brodhead with details.
I've never flown in before, hoping to tag along with someone as I may not even
have a radio!
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=425770#425770
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| Subject: | Re: Aluminum Wing Strut/Jury Strut Attachment |
Charles, I'm saddened to hear about your wife's passing. Hopefully she's in
a better place now. I think you'll find working on your Pietenpol to be the
best "Grief Therapy" you can find.
Good luck to you.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake (W91), Virginia
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charles N.
Campbell
Sent: Monday, June 30, 2014 10:29 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aluminum Wing Strut/Jury Strut Attachment
I bought a set of Taylorcraft struts from a friend of mine who had to
replace the struts on his T-craft, not because they had rusted out (There is
absolutely no apparent rust inside the struts) but because the directive
from the FAA said they had to be replaced. The front struts have the strap
around them and I guess I'll have to make a strap for the rear struts. That
is still a few weeks off. I had to take about a year off from building
because of my wife's illness. She passed away in May of this year so I
guess that I will have time to get back on the project now.
On Mon, Jun 30, 2014 at 7:15 AM, Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net>
wrote:
Thank you all for the ideas and pictures. I will be making straps and forgo
the drill/eye bolt idea. Jim M., I like that way of making the straps...will
be considering that idea more.
If God is your co-pilot...switch seats.
Mike Perez
Karetaker Aero
STILL Building...
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I am ordering the spruce for my spars today from Wicks but have some
questions. Am building the 3 piece wing. The spar butt joint straps in
the center section that connect the spars to the center section will
require the ribs to be cut out to fit over them or the ribs will all
have to be spaced 1/8=9D further apart front to rear with a strip
of 1/8=9D X 4 3/4=9D plywood.
Trying to determine which method to use. What is the best way or what
have others done? Think I remember reading years back of the plywood
method on this list.
Dennis
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| Subject: | Re: Aluminum Wing Strut/Jury Strut Attachment |
After some research I did the following on my Piper struts.
I stripped and derusted the outside. (I found wrapping them in aluminum
foil while coated with stripper worked best. followed by steel wool.
Then rustoleum self etching primer and White Rustoleum auto paint
(rattlecan)
Then I Then put a tiny light inside one end and took a look. Some rust but
notihing bad. This plane was kept indoors.
Then i plugged one end (with the threaded attachement)
Bought Boiled Linseed oil (($19 per gallon, I would have preferred raw as
it does not harden, but boiled is good also.)
Heated the linseed oil up (in a big pot of water on a outdoor propane
burner) to about 150F
Used a funnel and hose to pour it inside each strut. (I put in way more
than needed, but it is cheap)
Plugged the holes with my gloved fingers and Rolled the struts all over the
axis for about 5 minutes each. You could hear it slosh.
Poured most out, but left some in and leaned them in the corner waiting to
go to the airport.
I will "reslosh" before I put them on.
I put the extra back in the gallon can, so now I have 7/8ths of a gallon
left. Too bad it cannot be used with Latex paint.
I decided not to do the AD required Maule Fabric test on it for 2 reasons,
1. It beats up a $300 dollar Maule fabric tester and 2. It beats up your
strut. THis test is where you put graph paper on the bottom end of the
strut and punch the strut in each square, thin wall dents. I will borrow an
ultrasonic metal thinckness tester and use that.
Why linseed oil and not the newer oils? I looked at CorrosionX, LPS, ACF50
and several other products. None seemed to do much more than what the
Linseed oil would do. It flows in well and (especially heated) fills all
the little crevaces and seals holes. Then it hardens, first as it cools and
then more as it ages, to a waxy oxygen barrier. (Raw stays more waxy,
Boiled eventually gets hard.) So no more rust production without O2. Each
year Just retreat, Cheap and predictable results.
Blue Skies,
Steve D.
On Mon, Jun 30, 2014 at 9:28 AM, Charles N. Campbell <
charlescampbell1924@gmail.com> wrote:
> I bought a set of Taylorcraft struts from a friend of mine who had to
> replace the struts on his T-craft, not because they had rusted out (There
> is absolutely no apparent rust inside the struts) but because the directive
> from the FAA said they had to be replaced. The front struts have the strap
> around them and I guess I'll have to make a strap for the rear struts.
> That is still a few weeks off. I had to take about a year off from
> building because of my wife's illness. She passed away in May of this year
> so I guess that I will have time to get back on the project now.
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 30, 2014 at 7:15 AM, Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Thank you all for the ideas and pictures. I will be making straps and
>> forgo the drill/eye bolt idea. Jim M., I like that way of making the
>> straps...will be considering that idea more.
>>
>> If God is your co-pilot...switch seats.
>> Mike Perez
>> Karetaker Aero
>> STILL Building...
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>> tp://forums.matronics.com <http://forums.matronics.com/>
>> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution <http://www.matronics.com/contribution>
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Steve D
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| Subject: | Re: Brodhead help |
Douwe,
I plan to drive from Cincinnati to Brodhead this year. I should arrive in Brodhead
on Saturday morning and will overnight before moving on up to Oshkosh for
the week. I will send you my contact info to your e-mail.
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David Gallagher
Zodiac 601 XL-B: flying, 250+ hours now
Next project under construction: Finish my father's Aircamper
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| Subject: | steel tube jury strut idea, ala Aeronca Champ |
VGhpcyB3b3JrZWQgd2VsbCBmb3IgbXkgc3RyZWFtbGluZWQgc3RlZWwgbGlmdCBzdHJ1dHMuDQoN
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well according to wikkepedia,the early 22r engines made 128 ftpounds at 2800 rpm(torque
peak) thats about 68 HP.
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Ivan Bellworthy's is a y4 http://www.toyota-industries.com/component/prod
ucts/y4.html
> From: smikewest@comcast.net
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Engines
> Date: Mon=2C 30 Jun 2014 17:36:15 -0500
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
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2800 rpm(torque peak) thats about 68 HP.
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| Subject: | Brodhead & Oshkosh 2014 |
My partner Steve Williamson & I are planning to fly our Air Camper N1279Z to Brodhead
leaving our home base F70 (Murrieta CA) on Sunday July 20th. We will route
south of Phoenix, up the Rio Grande Valley to Tucumcari then NE to Brodhead.
Along with our wives who are traveling by car we will stay at Brodhead until
the 27th & then depart for Oshkosh leaving for the return journey on Monday
August 4th. We hope to have the chance to meet a number of you & look forward
to an opportunity to share memories of what should be a great adventure.
Peter Griffiths
N1279Z
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| Subject: | Re: Brodhead & Oshkosh 2014 |
Peter and Steve,
Enjoy the to flight. Looks like you are flying the route dad and I took in 96.
Have fun.
Cheers,
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Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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| Subject: | Re: Brodhead & Oshkosh 2014 |
Pretty much
Peter
Sent from my iPhone
> On Jun 30, 2014, at 17:11, "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld@lacity.org> wrote:
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> Peter and Steve,
> Enjoy the to flight. Looks like you are flying the route dad and I took in 96.
Have fun.
> Cheers,
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> Scott Liefeld
> Flying N11MS since March 1972
> Steel Tube
> C-85-12
> Wire Wheels
> Brodhead in 1996
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| Subject: | Re: Brodhead & Oshkosh 2014 |
WOW, that's fantastic. Have a safe journey, make sure the ground crew knows how
to post here to keep us updated... unless of course your Piet has a glass cockpit
and you can do it enroute!
Of course (Scott), two planes are (Scott) better than (Scott) one, and the mutual
(Scott) backup would be (Scott) great... just (Scott) sayin'..
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| Subject: | Re: Brodhead & Oshkosh 2014 |
We may have CT Light Sport coming with us
Peter
N1279Z
Sent from my iPhone
> On Jun 30, 2014, at 18:03, "tools" <n0kkj@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> WOW, that's fantastic. Have a safe journey, make sure the ground crew knows
how to post here to keep us updated... unless of course your Piet has a glass
cockpit and you can do it enroute!
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(Scott) backup would be (Scott) great... just (Scott) sayin'..
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O.K. i think you're on to something, i just posted about the 22r horsepower @2800RPM
however, the 22r has the spark plugs on the other side of the motor than
the one in the photo.
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| Subject: | Re: barnstorming fly in |
I missed the fly-in schedule.- Is it this weekend in Springfield Ohio? I
missed any info on this.=0A-=0AShad =0A=0A=0AOn Monday, June 30, 2014 7:4
9 AM, Douwe Blumberg <douweblumberg@earthlink.net> wrote:=0A =0A=0A=0A-->
Pietenpol-List message posted by: Douwe Blumberg <douweblumberg@earthlink.n
et>=0A=0AI'm planning on flying up to the Barnstorming fly in in springfiel
d with my daughter for Saturday, leaving Sunday IF the weather is nice.-
This'll only be her third flight so it needs to be smooth.- might fly up
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| Subject: | Re: steel tube jury strut idea, ala Aeronca Champ |
I had intended to mention that the Aeronca does use an eye bolt through the m
ain struts to secure the jury struts. The eye bolt does pass through a 3/16 I
D tube that is welded through the strut. The Aeronca folks were pretty brave
to do something that the Cub folks did not do! The bracket that Mike has dr
awn certainly makes attachment of the jury strut to the spar very easy and c
lean.
Thanks,
Ray Krause
Building SkyScout...slowly
Sent from my iPad
> On Jun 30, 2014, at 2:22 PM, "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners,
LLC]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov> wrote:
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> This worked well for my streamlined steel lift struts.
>
> Mike C.
> Ohio
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Sure wish I could go with them. It would most certainly be fun. While you guys
are all having fun I will be moving to a new hangar. My hangar partner of 19 years
is selling his plane. Time to get my own but smaller hangar. Another time
maybe.
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Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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Hello everybody -
I am new to this board - although I have been reading it for quite some time.
I have been wanting to build a Pietenpol for about 5-6 years now and finally -
I have been able to start a few months ago.
Currently I have the tail section built and I am in the process of joining the
fuselage together. - I will try to post some pics soon.
Anyway enough introduction - this is my first aircraft project and so I will probably
be asking for help often!
...and now for my first question!
I am thinking through what I want to do for a tail wheel -
for those who modified the "plans" tail skid with coil spring - where did you get
your spring? What type of wheel did you use?
I am thinking about the MATCO T-6 tail wheel with the plans built "A-frame/coil
spring set-up"
Has anyone used some non-Aircraft caster/wheel to build a "home-made" tail wheel?
What is the advantage of using the "leaf" style spring/set-up?
Any info/opinions would be welcome help to a newbie!
Thanks,
Andy
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Welcome and glad to hear that you are building. Where are you from? There are many
good folks on this list. Some may be near you.
Back to your question. I think Gary Boothe has been down the path you are asking
about. He has flown his plane with both tail wheel scenarios you have mentioned.
Gary, over to you now.
BTW, I have a leaf spring on mine. Go to WWW.westcoastpiet.com. you will find a
lot of info there.
Cheers
--------
Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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I'm in the Milwaukee area (I will be flying out of Timmerman Field MWC when the
ship is complete)
It's great to live in WI because we are less than 2hours drive from EAA and Brodhead
- my brother and I camp out each year at both events! -
Hopefully soon I won't be driving - but rather flying to these events!
Andy
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Welcome. I have the plans A frame with a Matco tail wheel. I really like it.
It works very well. I did change from the pneumatic tire to a solid one because
of several flat tires. The adaption was fairly simple. There are some pics
on westcoastpiet. Example :
http://www.westcoastpiet.com/images/WCP_2013_Gathering/IMG_0712.JPG
Mike Groah
414MV
Tulare CA
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> On Jun 30, 2014, at 7:58 PM, "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld@lacity.org> wrote:
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> Welcome and glad to hear that you are building. Where are you from? There are
many good folks on this list. Some may be near you.
> Back to your question. I think Gary Boothe has been down the path you are asking
about. He has flown his plane with both tail wheel scenarios you have mentioned.
> Gary, over to you now.
>
> BTW, I have a leaf spring on mine. Go to WWW.westcoastpiet.com. you will find
a lot of info there.
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> Cheers
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> Scott Liefeld
> Flying N11MS since March 1972
> Steel Tube
> C-85-12
> Wire Wheels
> Brodhead in 1996
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That seems to be a nice set-up...
Where are you guys getting the spring?
Andy
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Thank you, Scott! Let's hear it for Scott Liefeld [BIG applause]...
Andy,
Welcome to the best 4-6 years of your life!...or, as with some, the best 16
years of your life!
Yes, I have been down two roads when it comes to tail wheels. That's not
that unusual, either. There are builders here who share my experience...and
those who have experienced the inverse (going from leaf spring back to
A-frame!). Simply put, there is nothing wrong with Mr. Pietenpol's A-frame
design. Mike Groah is a good example. His plans-built tail wheel gear sports
a Matco 4" pneumatic wheel...and functions perfectly. Kevin Purtee did as I,
and abandoned his A-frame for a leaf spring and a 4" Matco tail wheel and
liked the result. So far, I am ecstatic with mine! "Ecstatic"...was that too
much emotion?
My main gear is pretty narrow...about 52". My tail wheel was the small
experimental one from ACS, with my own hand made swivel, ears, etc. Cable
linkage was provided from the rudder pedals, which had spring returns. All
these things added to my early difficulties, and I drug wing tips 3
different times, plus my 15,000 hr test pilot/instructor drug a wing tip
once! William Wynn says that, with my narrow gear, if I can fly the past 20+
hrs and only drag 3 tips without ground looping, I could land a P51 with a
flat tire! Well, we know that ain't true...but you get the point.
I have a plan to widen the gear, which will happen this Winter, but I have
changed the tail wheel to a leaf spring and a Matco 4" solid wheel. Moving
the wheel that far back allowed me to hook directly to a rudder bar (see
attached). I have since tightened those springs. I can now drop in from 5'
(not that I would ever do that...;-)), and the tail no longer wanders. Yes,
"ecstatic" is the word I would use!
>From what I have seen, making your own mounting device, using the plans
design...those are not the issues. I could never tighten up my tail wheel
cables because to do so would loosen the rudder cables. That was caused by
the spring returns that I have on the pedals. Other designs would work just
fine.
BTW...I think 6" is too big.
Enjoy your dream and your planning...but, GET TO WORK!!
Gary Boothe
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Welcome and glad to hear that you are building. Where are you from? There
are many good folks on this list. Some may be near you.
Back to your question. I think Gary Boothe has been down the path you are
asking about. He has flown his plane with both tail wheel scenarios you have
mentioned.
Gary, over to you now.
BTW, I have a leaf spring on mine. Go to WWW.westcoastpiet.com. you will
find a lot of info there.
Cheers
--------
Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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The bad news... this one question is gonna yield a dozen or so answers...
The good news... this is EXACTLY the kind of thing you go to Brodhead to help you
decide what you wanna try!
I've got a Matco, 4" solid, 2 leafs, cables directly from the rudder bar. Probably
about as "modern standard" as it gets. My son and I both learned to fly
tailwheel with this setup. I like it alot. I have no experience with the more
authentic A frame setup whatsoever.
Tools
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