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1. 04:58 AM - Re: steel tube jury strut idea, ala Aeronca Champ (Bill Church)
2. 06:09 AM - Re: Tail wheel (Jack Phillips)
3. 06:25 AM - Re: Tail wheel (echobravo4)
4. 06:25 AM - Re: Re: Engines (John Fay)
5. 06:32 AM - Tail wheel (Douwe)
6. 06:34 AM - Re: Re: Tail wheel (Michael Perez)
7. 07:57 AM - Re: Re: steel tube jury strut idea, ala Aeronca Champ (Ray Krause)
8. 10:20 AM - Re: steel tube jury strut idea, ala Aeronca Champ (Bill Church)
9. 12:00 PM - Re: Tail wheel (AircamperN11MS)
10. 04:32 PM - Re: Re: Tail wheel (Gary Boothe)
11. 06:24 PM - Re: Brodhead light this year (Baldeagle)
12. 06:28 PM - Re: Tail wheel (AG)
13. 06:28 PM - Re: barnstorming fly in (Baldeagle)
14. 06:49 PM - Re: Tail wheel (AircamperN11MS)
15. 07:19 PM - Re: Re: steel tube jury strut idea, ala Aeronca Champ (Ray Krause)
16. 08:56 PM - Re: steel tube jury strut idea, ala Aeronca Champ (Bill Church)
17. 10:37 PM - Re: Brodhead light this year (Baldeagle)
18. 11:03 PM - Official Pietenpol-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) (Matt Dralle)
19. 11:08 PM - Official Pietenpol-List Usage Guidelines (Matt Dralle)
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Subject: | Re: steel tube jury strut idea, ala Aeronca Champ |
One point to keep in mind is the material of the struts.
The Aeronca design, as illustrated by Mike, is used on steel struts. Welds in
steel, when done properly, are as strong as the base metal.
Aluminum, however, is a different story. Some alloys of aluminum are greatly affected
by welding. When Alloy 6061-T6 (which is the alloy that Carlson Struts
are made of) is welded, the base material loses its temper in the weld zone
- effectively reducing the strength to approximately 25% of the original strength.
This strength can be restored, through heat treating, but this is an expensive
process. Best to avoid welding 6061-T6 in any area where strength is a
concern.
Bill C.
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Andy, I noticed nobody has answered your question as to where to get the
compression spring. I know many have used a spring from John Deere, but
they are very proud of their parts and charge accordingly. I used a
compression spring from McMaster-Carr:
http://www.mcmaster.com/#compression-springs/=snaoy4 . The one I used was
part number 96485K141. it is 6" long overall, with an outside diameter of
1.93", a wire diameter of .25" and a spring constant of 116 lbs per inch.
It costs $11.17 and works very well.
Just to confuse you further, I originally had a 6" Scott tailwheel on a leaf
spring from a Piper PA-12. After a forced landing which caused a
groundloop, the leaf spring was torn from the lower longerons, resulting in
substantial damage to the longerons - which is something to think about.
Most leafsprings are designed to attach to welded steel tube fuselages. You
can do it with wood, but the attach structure needs to be well thought out
(mine obviously wasn't). During the rebuild, I changed to the A-Frame
design. The first one I built strictly to the plans. I found that it was
too wimpy torsionally, and steering loads on the tailwheel (which that
design was never intended to withstand, since it was designed for a skid
with no steering loads) caused the whole A-Frame to twist. Here is a
picture of the first A-Frame I built:
Note that I had the tailwheel aft of the compression spring, which I'm sure
exacerbated the twisting problems. I flew this assembly for about 4 hours
and then one day while taxiing for takeoff the tailwheel simply broke off as
I turned around for my runup. Glad that didn't happen on landing!
I rebuilt the tailwheel assembly using an A-Frame of heavier tubing, and
with a crossbar at the front, making it a rigid triangle. I also moved the
tailwheel underneath the compression spring. This assembly has worked well
for over 300 hours and many bad landings. It also uses the 4"
"Homebuilder's Special" tailwheel from ACS that is not entirely
satisfactory. It tends to go into free swivel very easily when turning
left, and is difficult to break into free swivel when turning right. I
probably need to take it apart and make some adjustments
Good luck, and welcome to the wonderful world of Pietenpols and
Pietenpeople!
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Smith Mountain Lake (W91), Virginia
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of AG
Sent: Monday, June 30, 2014 10:44 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Tail wheel
Hello everybody -
I am new to this board - although I have been reading it for quite some
time.
I have been wanting to build a Pietenpol for about 5-6 years now and finally
- I have been able to start a few months ago.
Currently I have the tail section built and I am in the process of joining
the fuselage together. - I will try to post some pics soon.
Anyway enough introduction - this is my first aircraft project and so I will
probably be asking for help often!
...and now for my first question!
I am thinking through what I want to do for a tail wheel -
for those who modified the "plans" tail skid with coil spring - where did
you get your spring? What type of wheel did you use?
I am thinking about the MATCO T-6 tail wheel with the plans built
"A-frame/coil spring set-up"
Has anyone used some non-Aircraft caster/wheel to build a "home-made" tail
wheel?
What is the advantage of using the "leaf" style spring/set-up?
Any info/opinions would be welcome help to a newbie!
Thanks,
Andy
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Hi Andy, welcome aboard!
The tailwheel spring you can get from John Deere-
The part number is T143444
Think it was about 50 bucks-
I don't have the sizes in front of me, but it is slightly larger
in diameter than what is called for in the plans, so the
Tubing for the cups that the springs go into needs to be
slightly larger as well
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Earl Brown
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I
intended to be.
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Yes, the Ford Cortina engine is already on the list.
John Fay
in Peoria
On Mon, Jun 30, 2014 at 7:22 AM, Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch@gmail.com>
wrote:
> The article also mentions a Ford Cortina engine. Extensive research
> (Google) shows that the Cortina had a 1.7 or 2.0 liter engine. Would that
> be new to the engine list?
>
> Blue Skies,
> Steve D
>
> On Sun, Jun 29, 2014 at 7:50 PM, Brian Kenney <brian.kenney@live.ca>
> wrote:
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>> I believe it is a 4Y engine which is a pushrod engine not with an
>> overhead cam
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>> > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Engines
>> > From: taildrags@hotmail.com
>> > Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2014 14:40:22 -0700
>> > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
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>> > OK... sorry... I found out that the Kiwi Piet uses the Toyota 22R
>> engine but that still doesn't help figure out how much power it's making.
>> They are variously rated at 97-108 HP at 4800-5000 RPM.
>> >
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>> > Oscar Zuniga
>> > Medford, OR
>> > Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
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>> > A75 power
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>> > Read this topic online here:
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>> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=425740#425740
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Welcome aboard Andy!
Search the archives and you'll assuredly find discussion about where guys found
their springs. I've heard a John Deere spring and others, just don't recall
specifics
I have the plans unit and made up my own tail wheel using a small wheel from McMaster
Carr.
My humble observations thru the years is that the plans design is very good, just
needs a cross piece added ahead I'd the wheel since it wasn't designed for
steering loads originally. I feel it is actually stronger in a side load condition
and light.
Douwe
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Hello Andy. Later this month will mark my 6th year of building. I am curren
tly doing a full assembly of the plane needed to measure/layout and fabrica
te the last few items and to get an initial W&B.- It has all gone by quit
e fast.=0A=0A=0AThe spring I used is from a John Deere tractor. I bought tw
o of them new and if interested, I can get the part number from the spare I
have at home.- I am using the small homebuilders tail wheen from ACS, it
is a 4" wheel...I agree that 6" would be a too big and heavy. You can see
from the pictures that I made my own steerable tail wheel assembly and adap
ted the homebuilders wheel. I also modified the "A" frame mounts at the fus
elage to wrap around the frame and use through bolts. The ends of the "A" f
rame were modified with the tube-through-tube idea used on the control torq
ue tube assembly.-=0A=0AIf you have been following the list some, you may
have seen the posts concerning rudder control horn attachment. That thread
progressed into tail wheel cables and the like which you may find interest
ing.=0A=0AI can't compare the "A" arm set-up to the leaf spring as I don't
have any experience with it.=0A=0A=0AHaving not been flight tested, none of
this may be worth much, but it may get you to consider other ideas.=0A-
=0A=0AIf God is your co-pilot...switch seats. =0AMike Perez =0AKaretaker Ae
ro =0ASTILL Building...=0A
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Subject: | Re: steel tube jury strut idea, ala Aeronca Champ |
Bill,
Thanks, great information. Bicycle frames are often made from 6061-T6 (many Raleigh
bikes that I sold in a past life). The welding was once done in the USA but
is now all done in China. The welds are beautiful and the frames are heat treated
after welding, as I remember. There are several ways of doing this, but
I don't remember! Is one purging the frames with non-oxygen gas during welding?
Seems like something the home builder should be able to do at home!
Gary Booth put me in contact with a friend of his who had a supply of strut aero
aluminum in his hanger. I got enough for my SkyScout at a good price. Guess
I will use straps for the jury strut attach points since my purge tanks are low
and the struts won't fit in my wife's oven!
Thanks,
Ray Krause
Sent from my iPad
> On Jul 1, 2014, at 4:58 AM, "Bill Church" <billspiet@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>
>
> One point to keep in mind is the material of the struts.
> The Aeronca design, as illustrated by Mike, is used on steel struts. Welds in
steel, when done properly, are as strong as the base metal.
> Aluminum, however, is a different story. Some alloys of aluminum are greatly
affected by welding. When Alloy 6061-T6 (which is the alloy that Carlson Struts
are made of) is welded, the base material loses its temper in the weld zone
- effectively reducing the strength to approximately 25% of the original strength.
This strength can be restored, through heat treating, but this is an expensive
process. Best to avoid welding 6061-T6 in any area where strength is
a concern.
>
> Bill C.
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=425826#425826
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Subject: | Re: steel tube jury strut idea, ala Aeronca Champ |
Ray,
No, unfortunately it isn't as simple as purging.
Effectively, when 6061-T6 gets welded, the metal in the weld zone loses all of
its tempering, and goes back to the annealed state (T-zero).
In order to return to T6 temper, the weldment will need to be solution heat treated,
and then artificially aged. Solution heat treatment involves carefully
heating the weldment in an oven to a pretty high temperature, around 980F (too
hot and the aluminum just melts), and held for about an hour, then quickly cooled,
by quenching. Once returned to room temperature, the aluminum is again
heated, and held at a set temperature for a specified time. For aging, the temperatures
are in the range of typical kitchen ovens ( 325 - 400F). When you
stick a toothpick in, and it comes out dry, you're done. (just kidding about the
toothpick test).
So, I doubt that any homebuilder is going to be up to the task of re-tempering
aluminum lift struts after welding. For those using aluminum struts, fabricating
a few strap fittings would be a much less daunting task
Bill C.
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Gary,
You are very welcome. :) The bus I threw you under looked like a small one from
where I was standing, But, perhaps it was further down the street and bigger
than I thought when I glanced at it. Hope you just got bruised a little and didn't
get any broken bones.
Just the devil inside me I guess, Cheers,
--------
Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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It was no problem, Scott! Re-telling the story helps to remind me of the
travelled road...a road I am very fortunate to be on!!
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
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AircamperN11MS
Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2014 12:00 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Tail wheel
--> <Scott.liefeld@lacity.org>
Gary,
You are very welcome. :) The bus I threw you under looked like a small one
from where I was standing, But, perhaps it was further down the street and
bigger than I thought when I glanced at it. Hope you just got bruised a
little and didn't get any broken bones.
Just the devil inside me I guess, Cheers,
--------
Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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Subject: | Re: Brodhead light this year |
Another event if you're going early, Hagarstown, Indiana
We usually get about 30 mostly vintage aircraft, including some Pietenpols, on
the 4,000 foot grass runway:
http://www.airnav.com/airport/I61
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Wow - this board is great -
Thanks for all the info!
and - here's another question.
I have heard some opinions that connecting the tail wheel directly to the rudder
will put too much stress on the rudder.
I got some drawings from Bill Rewey for a set-up which runs a separate set of cables
from the tail wheel up to just behind the pilot's seat and then connects
them there with split-bolt connectors to the main rudder cables.
Obviously you guys are flying with the direct connection - any problems with that?
Thanks
Andy
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Subject: | Re: barnstorming fly in |
The Barnstorming Carnival is July 19 and 20 at Springfield, OH
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Andy,
Pay no attention to the way mine is hooked up. I have a steel tube fuse and tail
feathers. Totally different than most all other piets.
--------
Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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Subject: | Re: steel tube jury strut idea, ala Aeronca Champ |
Thanks, Bill. I wonder how a bicycle mfg could afford to do all that? There is
no that much profit in a $300.00 bike! Maybe if you are set up for it and can
handle large volumes, that would do it.
I'm sorry to hear you lost your wife. That almost happened to me last year, so
I understand.
Thanks for taking the time to explain all that.
Ray Krause
Sent from my iPad
> On Jul 1, 2014, at 10:19 AM, "Bill Church" <billspiet@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>
>
> Ray,
> No, unfortunately it isn't as simple as purging.
> Effectively, when 6061-T6 gets welded, the metal in the weld zone loses all of
its tempering, and goes back to the annealed state (T-zero).
> In order to return to T6 temper, the weldment will need to be solution heat treated,
and then artificially aged. Solution heat treatment involves carefully
heating the weldment in an oven to a pretty high temperature, around 980F (too
hot and the aluminum just melts), and held for about an hour, then quickly
cooled, by quenching. Once returned to room temperature, the aluminum is again
heated, and held at a set temperature for a specified time. For aging, the
temperatures are in the range of typical kitchen ovens ( 325 - 400F). When you
stick a toothpick in, and it comes out dry, you're done. (just kidding about
the toothpick test).
> So, I doubt that any homebuilder is going to be up to the task of re-tempering
aluminum lift struts after welding. For those using aluminum struts, fabricating
a few strap fittings would be a much less daunting task
>
> Bill C.
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=425859#425859
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Subject: | Re: steel tube jury strut idea, ala Aeronca Champ |
Yikes, Ray.
I didn't lose my wife. Haven't even misplaced her.
I think maybe you've got me mixed up with Chuck Campbell. I believe he recently
mentioned his wife's passing.
Bill C.
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Subject: | Re: Brodhead light this year |
http://henryshoosiers.com/hagerstown-antique-plane-flying-circus-model-t-museum-driving-tour/
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1) Pay attention to what you are posting!! Make sure that the files
you are enclosing aren't HUGE (greater that 1MB). Remember that there
are still people checking they're email via dial up modem. If you post
30MB worth of pictures, you are placing an unnecessary burden on these
folks and the rest of us, for that matter.
2) SCALE YOUR PICTURES DOWN!!! I don't want to see huge 3000 x 2000
pictures getting posted that are 3 or 4MB each. This is just
unacceptable. Use a program such as Photoshop to scale the picture
down to something on the order of 800 x 600 and try to keep the
file size to less-than 200KB, preferably much less.
Microsoft has a really awesome utility available for free that allows
you to Right-Click on a picture in Explorer and automatically
scale it down and resave it. This is a great utility - get it, use it!
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/downloads/powertoys/xppowertoys.mspx
Look for the link "Image Resizer"
3) !! This would seem to go without saying, but I'll say it anyway. Do not
post anything that would be considered offensive by your grandmother.
And you know what I'm saying; I don't want to see anything even
questionable. !!
4) REMEMBER THIS: If you post a 1MB enclosure to a List with 1000 members
subscribed, your 1MB enclosure must be resent 1000 times amounting
to 1MB X 1000 = 1 Gigabyte of network traffic!! BE CAREFUL and
BE COURTEOUS!
Also see the section below on the Matronics Photo and File Share where
you can have your files and photos posted on the Matronics web server
for long time viewing and availability.
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can more easily handled.
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in PKZIP format. Use "binary" data transfer methods.
* Pietenpol-Archive.digest.complete.Z
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UNIX compress format. Use "binary" data transfer methods.
Download Via FTP
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in the "/pub/Archives" directory. It is updated daily and can be found in
a number of formats as described above. (All filenames are case sensitive.)
ftp://ftp.matronics.com/pub/Archives
Download Via Web
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toward the bottom of the following web page:
http://www.matronics.com/archives
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!! ==> Please including the following information with each submission:
1) Email Lists that they are related to.
2) Your Full Name.
3) Your Email Address.
4) One line Subject description.
5) Multi-line, multi-paragraph description of topic.
6-x) One-line Description of each photo or file
Prior to public availability of the files and photos, each will be scanned
for viruses. Please also note that the process of making the files and
photos available on the web site is a pseudo-manual process, and I try to
process them every few days.
Following the availability of the new Photoshare, an email message will be
sent to the Email Lists enumerated in 1) above indicating that the new
Share is available and what the direct URL to it is.
For a current list of available Photoshares, have a look at the Main
Index Page:
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and will contain archive received up to the last minute. They make
great gifts!
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Subject: | Official Pietenpol-List Usage Guidelines |
Dear Listers,
Please read over the Pietenpol-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete
Pietenpol-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/Pietenpol-List.FAQ.html
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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Pietenpol-List Usage Guidelines
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The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the Pietenpol-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the Pietenpol-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
Pietenpol-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the Pietenpol-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
can not be overstated!
- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the
"reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your
response to the original poster. You might have to actively address
your response with the original poster's email address.
- DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I
agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent
to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large.
- When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly
contribute something valuable.
- Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack
other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that
will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.
- Occasional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularly
subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by
List members promoting their respective products or items for sale
should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble
a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but
is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to
everyone, including those who provide products to the entire
community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the
operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists.
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