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1. 05:46 AM - Re: Bob's Pietenpol flies (Brett Phillips)
2. 06:36 AM - Continental primer connection (giacummo)
3. 06:59 AM - Re: Continental primer connection (tools)
4. 07:29 AM - Re: ###4th FLIGHT### (Chris Rusch)
5. 07:36 AM - Re: ###4th FLIGHT### (Chris Rusch)
6. 07:53 AM - Re: Re: Continental primer connection (Jack Phillips)
7. 08:25 AM - Re: Continental primer connection (giacummo)
8. 09:08 AM - CG, rigging, trim (William Wynne)
9. 10:26 AM - Re: ###4th FLIGHT### (William Wynne)
10. 11:00 AM - Re: Continental primer connection (Boatright, Jeffrey)
11. 12:05 PM - Happy 4th everyone (AircamperN11MS)
12. 12:27 PM - Re: Re: ###4th FLIGHT### (Greg Cardinal)
13. 02:02 PM - Re: Happy 4th everyone (jarheadpilot82)
14. 02:19 PM - Re: Happy 4th everyone (Gary Boothe)
15. 02:43 PM - Re: Happy 4th everyone (Jack Phillips)
16. 03:56 PM - Re: ###4th FLIGHT### (taildrags)
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18. 08:37 PM - Re: (Steven Dortch)
19. 09:29 PM - Re: (taildrags)
20. 09:39 PM - Re: (Kip Gardner)
21. 09:49 PM - Re: (William Wynne)
22. 11:53 PM - Re: ###4th FLIGHT### (William Wynne)
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| Subject: | Re: Bob's Pietenpol flies |
Great pics! Love the shot of our strip. Those short stack Continental's really
have their own bark! I had a good idea of who it was before I saw you...
Brett
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| Subject: | Continental primer connection |
Hello,
I am connecting the cables, tubes, roads and everything to the engine, but I have
a doubt about the primer... where do I have to connect it?, to each cylinder
port or to the manifold above the carburator?.. In winter temperatures in the
morning are general above above 5 degrees Celsius (41 F) , and I don't plan
to fly with this temp.
I supouse is better in each cylinder, but simpler just in one place.
You who have this engine, what do you recomend to me?
By the way, two weeks ago I cover the second wing in a weekend, I cover it, pass
the iron, glue reinforces and inspection rings; a very profitable weekend. I
finish the covering step of the Piet, I have to sew the ribs and ready to paint.paint
it.
Regards
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Mario Giacummo
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| Subject: | Re: Continental primer connection |
Either way is fine. However, I've NEVER used my primer, just don't find a need
for it. Not sure I'd even put one in were I doing an initial build.
My Piet has it to each cylinder. Have had a couple lines break which is immediately
noticable in that the engine will backfire. Seems less lines, less breakage...
of course the whole engine is affected vs mine which only causes one cyl
to run lean.
So as usual, it seems it'll come down to what makes you feel comfortable. It's
a VERY reliable engine, either method of priming is well tested and has no obvious
problems I know about. I do believe going to each cylinder is considered
somewhat of a "upgrade" in some circles.
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| Subject: | Re: ###4th FLIGHT### |
Here are my w/b numbers using digital race car scales
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NX321LR
Now test flying!!
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| Subject: | Re: ###4th FLIGHT### |
I used 60.5" from the firewall to the bellybutton of the pilot for the arm location.
Subtract that from 173.25 an you get 112.75
All of the other distances were done using a plump bob with the plane perfectly
level. I marked all of the locations on the floor and used a tape measure to
document them.
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| Subject: | Re: Continental primer connection |
I have my primer going to the intake manifold. I use it any time the plane
has sat more than a few hours and the temperature is below 45 F (7 C). Just
makes starting easier.
To prevent having vibration casue cracking and leaking, put a loop in the
copper tubing between the last mounting point and the engine (you should do
the same for the oil pressure line). You can see both these lines in the
photo below:
Good Luck!
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Continental primer connection
Either way is fine. However, I've NEVER used my primer, just don't find a
need for it. Not sure I'd even put one in were I doing an initial build.
My Piet has it to each cylinder. Have had a couple lines break which is
immediately noticable in that the engine will backfire. Seems less lines,
less breakage... of course the whole engine is affected vs mine which only
causes one cyl to run lean.
So as usual, it seems it'll come down to what makes you feel comfortable.
It's a VERY reliable engine, either method of priming is well tested and has
no obvious problems I know about. I do believe going to each cylinder is
considered somewhat of a "upgrade" in some circles.
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| Subject: | Re: Continental primer connection |
I ask because I prefer install one cooper line than four, the one to four adapter,
etc (less job, just one point of failure, etc).
Thank you, I am going to install it in the manifold.
Regards.
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| Subject: | CG, rigging, trim |
Food for thought:
What is meant by nose heavy? That a plane with no in-flight adjustable elevator
trim requires aft stick in cruise flight? If this is the case, and the plane
is between 15-20", the correction is the angle of incidence on the stabilizer.
Because of the seating configuration of the Piet, where the PIC is much further
aft of the wing than common tandem seated planes like a J-3, a Piet will be much
more sensitive to variance in PIC weight. Even with a wing shifted back, a
Piet pilot's CG is more than 20" further aft than a J-3. If we are speaking of
a 675 lb empty weight Piet and a 775 EW cub, the difference is going to be even
more exaggerated because the PIC is a higher % of the gross.
Ask anyone with a J-3 if the plane will fly hands off with a 50 pound PIC weight
change without re trimming, and I am all piper pilots will say that it would
need a trim change. The same weight change in a Piet will have an even stronger
effect. It is not reasonable to expect a Piet to fly hands off with no trim
change with two PIC's with a 50 lb weight difference
Compare the trim system on a side by side classic (T-craft, 120, etc) to that of
a tandem piper. The SBS planes use a trim tab on the elevator, but the pipers
use a much more powerful system of altering the incidence of the stabilizer.
I am not suggesting that anyone redesign the Piet, I am just pointing out the
types of systems professional designers used in certain configurations, and the
relative power of altering the incidence of the stabilizer. The Piet is an
extreme example of tandem CG shift, and it is an easier path to a good flying
plane if the rigging is seen with than in mind.
I didn't see it mentioned, but speed is a factor on trimming planes and a guy who
like to cruise at 68mph will have a different story than one who flies at 82mph,
even in identical planes. Airfoils with strong pitching moments have strong
pitch changes with speed changes.
There are also other configuration considerations; a builder with 1929 gear going
from 60 to 75mph is going to have a different condition than a guy with 6x6's
doing the same speed change. There are other factors like the down thrust angle
on the mount etc that effect pitch changes with power. Many things to consider,
but one must start with the fundamentals of wing incidence, CG, and stabilizer
incidence. From there, gather first hand data from a plane with a very
similar configuration.
I understand that the paragraphs above constitutes "ruining a simple plane with
numbers talk" to some Piet fans. Last year a Brodhead a guy told me that I my
CG work had ruined a good thing, "A simple club of good old boys who liked flying
around low and slow and not thinking too much." I politely asked him if
he understood that his ideal condition fulfilled two and a half of three points
on the saying "Don't run out of altitude, airspeed and ideas all at the same
time." If anything I say is offensive, I am easily ignored and deleted. Just
pretend I don't exist. Reading a single word of my input is not a requirement
for building a Piet, I offer it for people who find it useful assistance in getting
the plane they personally want.
Perhaps the most productive thing to do is collect some examples. It would be quick work at Brodhead to measure wing and stabilizer incidence on a number of planes, put this in with CG information and some pilot notes on their experience trimming. With 2 or 3 people we could get this data from 10 planes in 2 hours. We could then stick the data here, or in the newsletter, or with Doc's CG notes, or on my Piet page: http://flycorvair.net/2013/11/28/corvair-pietenpol-reference-page/
If builders like the idea, good otherwise I am just as happy sitting around eating
brats and catching up with friends.
Thank you.
William Wynne
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| Subject: | Re: ###4th FLIGHT### |
Chris,
That is very good data. You actually used the same model scales that we used for
the W&B data collection at Brodhead. For the data we have, we actually put several
sample body type pilots in the plane and weighed them to try to come up
with a PIC datum location that builders could use as a standard. What we settled
on is 10" ahead of the location of the top if the front face of the pilot's
seat back. This is accurate with 145-175 pound PIC, it errs on the side of caution
slightly as the PIC weight goes up and the pilot's body type is more burley.
I looked at your You tube video carefully. Good looking bird. I watched the elevator
position in flight and it is up all the time. What was the level flight
speed? If the plane needs up elevator in flight, and it is in CG, you can always
lower the whole leading edge of the stabilizer until the elevator lies in trail
in level cruise flight.
I will get out a calculator after dinner tonight and look at your CG data. I think
it might be slightly further forward than you are thinking. I can also give
you the change with 50 more pounds of PIC.
The plane is a neat innovation, I am sure you are just a few steps away from having
it rigged to your liking. -ww
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| Subject: | Happy 4th everyone |
Here's a challenge to all. Lets see how many of us with flying Piets can commit
aviation on the 4th. Even if it is only to go around the pattern once. Then
we'll report back here so we can get a head count. Could be fun.
Have fun,
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Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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| Subject: | Re: ###4th FLIGHT### |
Chris,
Where is the fuel tank located?
Greg Cardinal
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Rusch" <rmdinfo@rmdbenders.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2014 9:36 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: ###4th FLIGHT###
> <rmdinfo@rmdbenders.com>
>
> I used 60.5" from the firewall to the bellybutton of the pilot for the arm
> location. Subtract that from 173.25 an you get 112.75
>
> All of the other distances were done using a plump bob with the plane
> perfectly level. I marked all of the locations on the floor and used a
> tape measure to document them.
>
> --------
> NX321LR
> Now test flying!!
> Mitsubishi Powered
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=426000#426000
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| Subject: | Re: Happy 4th everyone |
Scott,
I will be committing aviation on July 4th in a Boeing 767 (work). I would much
rather be doing it in a Pietenpol.
A Happy 4th to all.
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Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
USMC, USMCR, ATP
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| Subject: | Happy 4th everyone |
I'm in!
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
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Subject: Pietenpol-List: Happy 4th everyone
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Here's a challenge to all. Lets see how many of us with flying Piets can
commit aviation on the 4th. Even if it is only to go around the pattern
once. Then we'll report back here so we can get a head count. Could be
fun.
Have fun,
--------
Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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| Subject: | Happy 4th everyone |
I should be able to to do that. Forecast here is good for tomorrow (sucks
right now, though).
I was able to get in a flight in the Pietenpol this morning, carrying one of
our B&B guests. Squeezed it in under a 1500' broken ceiling with a
scattered layer at 700'. The pretty young lady was thrilled. Her boyfriend
was too heavy for the Piet so I took him in the RV-4.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Happy 4th everyone
I'm in!
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
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Subject: Pietenpol-List: Happy 4th everyone
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Here's a challenge to all. Lets see how many of us with flying Piets can
commit aviation on the 4th. Even if it is only to go around the pattern
once. Then we'll report back here so we can get a head count. Could be
fun.
Have fun,
--------
Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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| Subject: | Re: ###4th FLIGHT### |
(like the little school kid in the back of the room, with his hand up): "I know!
I know! Chris's fuel tank is in the wing centersection and it's a 14 gallon
one"
I know this because I'm just wrapping up the article on the MitsuPietshi that will
appear in the all-Piet issue of Contact! Magazine, just in time for the 85th
anniversary of the Air Camper.
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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The cold fog thickened noticeably as the newcomer hurried towards his
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tightly. This part of the city was not a place to tarry. Thieves and
whores were the only permanent residents here. Even the cops rolled
through
these streets with a nervousness and an edge to heir normal macho
banter.
Trouble and misery closed around everyone who ventured into this
pustule of
urban blight like a leech on a warm vein.
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squealed and skittered off into the darkness and dankness of the mist.
It
can't be much farther he thought. It mustn't be much farther. The
sickly
yellow flicker of light from a street lamp shone dimly through the fog
as he
quickened his pace.
There it was. The doorway seemed to be just blackness without
definition.
As he got closer, two winos eyed him suspiciously through bloodshot and
yellowed eyes. He hustled past them, their breath leaving a rank scent
that
lingered on his clothes. The door pushed inward and the newcomer was
inside.
The room was smoky and dim. The bar stank of liquor and broken dreams.
Several tables decorated the periphery. The man he had come to see was
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was
darkly clothed and utterly shapeless. He might have weighed three
hundred
pounds... or he may have been only bone. His shape was indecipherable.
The
dark mans eyes were gazing down at the dirty glass in his hand, half
filled
with cheap whiskey. He had been reading a glossy magazine filled with
lurid
and obscene images. He folded it tenderly and stuffed it quickly into
his
coat pocket like a vulture gobbling a rotten piece of flesh.
"What is it you want of me?", the dark man asked, not lifting his eyes
from
the glass. His voice rumbled deep in his belly like a toad.
"I need you to tell me how to unsubscribe", said the newcomer in as
even a
tone as he could muster.
The dark man looked up from his glass slowly to gaze at the newcomer.
His
eyes were a pale watery blue. And his gaze lingered on the newcomer.
"You wish to unsubscribe?", he said, with a hint of amusement in his
voice
but no trace of a smile on his thick pasty lips. "You come to me with a
need to unsubscribe?", he said, his voice getting louder now and any
hint of
amusement gone. He sucked in his breath and hissed through his teeth
spraying the newcomer with a repulsive mist of spittle, "Why? Tell me
why
it is that you wish to unsubscribe."
The newcomer felt fear now creeping up his spine. "I don't have the
time to
sort through all the posts", he mumbled.
The dark man sat unmoved, his eyes stared at the newcomer without
emotion.
His eyes were cold and amphibian.
"And I sold the Pietenpol and bought a Husky", added the newcomer.
He realized in a heart beat that he should not have said that. The
dark man
had him by the throat with a quickness that seemed otherworldly. And
the
dark man squeezed that throat as the newcomer wriggled and squirmed in a
voiceless scream. The dark man pulled the newcomers face to his own
until
they nearly touched noses. He breathed his fetid breath on the
newcomer and
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them.
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control. Your email box will fill to bursting with our messages. And
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rumbling
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with the croaking bellowing laughter chasing him. He was doomed... and
he
knew it.
The dark man sat back at the table in the dimly lit bar and sipped at
his
drink.
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http://www.matronics.com/subscribe/
and follow the directions to unsubscribe", he muttered under his breath.
No, he smiled to himself. That would have been all too easy. Still
chuckling to himself, he reached into his pocket and pulled out the
magazine
he had been reading before the newcomer interrupted him. He quickly
thumbed
through the slick and edge worn pages until he found his place. He never
missed a single word of each and every issue of Martha Stewart Living...
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If I didn't know better, I would say that you've been listening to too many episodes
of "Guy Noir" on the Prairie Home Companion.
"A dark night in a city that knows how to keep its secrets. Brodhead, Wisconsin".
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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Good one, Oscar.
Happy Independence Day everyone!
On Jul 4, 2014, at 12:28 AM, taildrags wrote:
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Steve,
That is a classic, worthy of Raymond Chandler. I would like to know who wrote it,
it made me smile.
In defense of Mark McKellar: He may not know how to unsubscribe, but he was a pretty
good student of engine building. He came to Corvair College #2 held at our
old hangar at Spruce Creek FL. He built up a long block under our supervision,
intended for a Piet. Years later, after a life issue, he sold it to Robert
and Barbara Caldwell for their bird. They bolted on some updated parts but didn't
touch the basic engine Mark assembled. At Corvair College #21 at PF Beck's
the engine fired right up after 3 seconds of cranking and ran smoothly. Elapsed
time, almost 11 years.
There are pictures at this link: http://www.flycorvair.com/cc21.html It also contains first runs on a number of Corvairs bound for Piets, like "Early Builder's" and Don Harper's. We are holding Corvair College #31 at PF Beck's in Barnwell again this November.-ww.
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| Subject: | Re: ###4th FLIGHT### |
Chris,
I took out a pencil and calculator and went to work on your data. I came out with
the following:
EWCG: 8.66"
w/150 lb PIC 15.26"
w/ 205 lb PIC 17.1"
w/ 290 lb PIC 19.8"
Thoughts: The suggestion by two people that you have to move the wing is lacking
data and merit. If you look at our CG articles, check out the Corvair installment.
The plane identified as "Aircraft #3" was Kevin Purtee and Shelley's 'fat
bottomed girl'. It is a very close approximation of your plane in EW, CG, Landing
gear, etc. Kevin's plane actually had it's EWCG at 8.2", slightly further
forward than yours. His plane flew 345 hours and many long flights like this.
Kevin is about 5'11" and 175 pounds dressed. Yet his plane didn't have 'terrible
stick pressure', and I suspect that the prime difference in the two planes
will be the angle of the stabilizer.
As further evidence, I have done a W&B on "the Last Original". It is hand prop
and lighter, but the CG with a 210 lb PIC is 17.0". BHP's plane in the hangar
at Pioneer airport is the same way. In 2006 my wife flew the last original and
said it was totally normal. Bill Knight reworked the plane a few years ago and
would have changed the wing position if it needed it. Bill is a 215 pound guy,
but 1,500 hr Piet guy Tom Brown has flown it a lot also, and he is a 165 lb
guy, and he has never said anything but positive things about the plane. Again,
I suspect that you have a stabilizer issue, not a CG one. Yes, you can crank
the wing forward and mask this, but you would be moving away from how BHP set
his planes up, not closer.
One possible point: I saw your number of 60.5" for the PIC-CG. If you look at the
notation that Ryan and I used, PSL is explained in the series as the pilots
seat back length, from there our PIC-CG for calculations was 10" ahead of this.
Your number looks like you estimated your PIC to be further forward than this,
maybe 15" ahead of the PSL in your plane. If we recalculate your CG w/150
lb PIC by my method, the CG is 16.04" about 3/4" further back. Likewise the CG
w/205 lb PIC becomes 18.2", over an inch further back. I suspect that my estimate
that the pilot CG from the LE of your plane is close to 55.875" maybe closer
than your estimate of 50.875. For accurate W&B nothing beats the pilot sitting
in the plane dressed while it is still on the scales. The 'belly button rule"
isn't accurate enough. Note if my number is right, and someone had talked
you into moving the wing 2.5" forward, you would have ended up aft of the CG
limit. At the risk of confirming suspicions that I am a tactless jackass, I want
to say that we did the W&B work to discourage people from offering advice without
calculation.
If you are heading to Brodhead, I will gladly go over this in person with you and
we can go get a look at the last original and carefully measure the incidence
on the wing and the stabilizer and compare it to your bird.
Thank you.
William Wynne
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