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1. 04:25 AM - Re: Happy 4th everyone (Greg Cardinal)
2. 06:17 AM - First Engine Start - No Joy (Michael Perez)
3. 06:33 AM - Re: First Engine Start - No Joy (Gene Rambo)
4. 06:34 AM - Re: First Engine Start - No Joy (Jack Phillips)
5. 06:44 AM - Re: First Engine Start - No Joy (Michael Perez)
6. 06:53 AM - Re: First Engine Start - No Joy (Gene Rambo)
7. 07:19 AM - Re: First Engine Start - No Joy (Jeff Martin)
8. 07:20 AM - Re: First Engine Start - No Joy (Michael Perez)
9. 07:25 AM - Re: First Engine Start - No Joy (Michael Perez)
10. 07:42 AM - Re: First Engine Start - No Joy (Jack Phillips)
11. 07:47 AM - Re: First Engine Start - No Joy (Gene Rambo)
12. 07:49 AM - Re: First Engine Start - No Joy (tools)
13. 08:02 AM - Re: First Engine Start - No Joy (Michael Perez)
14. 08:16 AM - Re: First Engine Start - No Joy (jim hyde)
15. 08:20 AM - Re: First Engine Start - No Joy (jim hyde)
16. 08:21 AM - A65 carb attachment (Steven Dortch)
17. 08:29 AM - Re: First Engine Start - No Joy (William Wynne)
18. 09:28 AM - Re: First Engine Start - No Joy (dgaldrich)
19. 10:17 AM - Re: Re: Happy 4th everyone (Jack Phillips)
20. 12:49 PM - July 4th flights (Douwe Blumberg)
21. 01:15 PM - Re: Re: Happy 4th everyone (Robert Bush)
22. 01:29 PM - Re: Happy 4th everyone (AircamperN11MS)
23. 01:33 PM - Re: A65 carb attachment (taildrags)
24. 02:59 PM - Re: First Engine Start - No Joy (Michael Perez)
25. 03:02 PM - Re: Re: First Engine Start - No Joy (Michael Perez)
26. 03:19 PM - Re: Re: First Engine Start - No Joy (Michael Perez)
27. 03:27 PM - July 5th...New Milestone (Michael Perez)
28. 03:31 PM - Re: July 5th...New Milestone (Jim Boyer)
29. 03:52 PM - Re: July 5th...New Milestone (Jack Phillips)
30. 07:22 PM - Re: Re: Happy 4th everyone (Ray Krause)
31. 11:31 PM - Re: July 5th...New Milestone (Scott Knowlton)
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| Subject: | Re: Happy 4th everyone |
I flew for 1.6 yesterday evening doing my flight review (BFR).
I felt very independant.
Greg Cardinal
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Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2014 2:05 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Happy 4th everyone
> <Scott.liefeld@lacity.org>
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> Here's a challenge to all. Lets see how many of us with flying Piets can
> commit aviation on the 4th. Even if it is only to go around the pattern
> once. Then we'll report back here so we can get a head count. Could be
> fun.
>
> Have fun,
>
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> Scott Liefeld
> Flying N11MS since March 1972
> Steel Tube
> C-85-12
> Wire Wheels
> Brodhead in 1996
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> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=426027#426027
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| Subject: | First Engine Start - No Joy |
-My Fourth was spent doing fuel flow tests and getting ready for the firs
t engine run. As mentioned in the subject line, no luck getting the engine
to start. At the end of a long day, we spent about two hours and multiple h
and propping attempts with no luck...absolutely no sighs of life.-Pulling
the #3 lower spark plug verified no fuel was making it into the cylinders.
The spark plug was dry and had no smell of fuel. I verified that fuel was
in/at the carburetor fuel bowl by loosening the fuel filter nut and allowin
g the fuel to-drip out-of my NA-S3B. I do not have any primer system in
stalled and I do not have any type starter fluid on hand, so there was no "
pre-charge" of the cylinders/carb./intake attempted.=0A=0ABefore I remove t
he carb., (or anything else) and start to tear down components, I am open f
or suggestions.--I understand that troubleshooting vie email is tough,
but I appreciate any help provided.=0A=0AIf God is your co-pilot...switch s
eats. =0AMike Perez =0AKaretaker Aero =0ASTILL Building... =0A
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| Subject: | Re: First Engine Start - No Joy |
Cover the intake with your hand (I.e. choke it) and rock the prop on an inta
ke stroke for each cylinder until you hear it slurping...
Or get starter fluid....
Gene
On Jul 5, 2014, at 9:14 AM, Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> My Fourth was spent doing fuel flow tests and getting ready for the first
engine run. As mentioned in the subject line, no luck getting the engine to
start. At the end of a long day, we spent about two hours and multiple hand
propping attempts with no luck...absolutely no sighs of life. Pulling the #
3 lower spark plug verified no fuel was making it into the cylinders. The sp
ark plug was dry and had no smell of fuel. I verified that fuel was in/at th
e carburetor fuel bowl by loosening the fuel filter nut and allowing the fue
l to drip out of my NA-S3B. I do not have any primer system installed and I d
o not have any type starter fluid on hand, so there was no "pre-charge" of t
he cylinders/carb./intake attempted.
>
> Before I remove the carb., (or anything else) and start to tear down compo
nents, I am open for suggestions. I understand that troubleshooting vie ema
il is tough, but I appreciate any help provided.
>
> If God is your co-pilot...switch seats.
> Mike Perez
> Karetaker Aero
> STILL Building...
>
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| Subject: | First Engine Start - No Joy |
Michael, when pulling the prop through can you hear air sucking through the
carburetor? Does the sound change when the throttle is opened or closed?
Are you running an air cleaner? If so, try propping it with the carb heat
"ON" to bypass the air cleaner.
Has the carburetor been overhauled and the needle valve checked? Is the
needle valve set to maintain fuel at the prescribed level in the float
chamber?
Lots of questions.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael
Perez
Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2014 9:14 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: First Engine Start - No Joy
My Fourth was spent doing fuel flow tests and getting ready for the first
engine run. As mentioned in the subject line, no luck getting the engine to
start. At the end of a long day, we spent about two hours and multiple hand
propping attempts with no luck...absolutely no sighs of life. Pulling the #3
lower spark plug verified no fuel was making it into the cylinders. The
spark plug was dry and had no smell of fuel. I verified that fuel was in/at
the carburetor fuel bowl by loosening the fuel filter nut and allowing the
fuel to drip out of my NA-S3B. I do not have any primer system installed and
I do not have any type starter fluid on hand, so there was no "pre-charge"
of the cylinders/carb./intake attempted.
Before I remove the carb., (or anything else) and start to tear down
components, I am open for suggestions. I understand that troubleshooting
vie email is tough, but I appreciate any help provided.
If God is your co-pilot...switch seats.
Mike Perez
Karetaker Aero
STILL Building...
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| Subject: | Re: First Engine Start - No Joy |
Hi Gene. Considering I have the heat box in place, should I remove it for t
he choke you describe? Would any starting fluid work? (Auto store)- Where
is the best place to spray the starter fluid...I have easy access to the p
lugged port on the intake spider where a primer nozzle would go.- Could i
t really be this simple!?=0A=0AThank you.-=0A=0AIf God is your co-pilot..
.switch seats. =0AMike Perez =0AKaretaker Aero =0ASTILL Building...
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| Subject: | Re: First Engine Start - No Joy |
If its a 65 you don't really need a primer. Any starter fluid will work. Re
move filter and spray into box. If it fires backwards, that means too lean, y
ou need more prime. If its a J3 type air box, do like Jack said and pull car
b heat and cover the inlet with your hand to choke
Gene
On Jul 5, 2014, at 9:44 AM, Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> Hi Gene. Considering I have the heat box in place, should I remove it for t
he choke you describe? Would any starting fluid work? (Auto store) Where is
the best place to spray the starter fluid...I have easy access to the plugg
ed port on the intake spider where a primer nozzle would go. Could it reall
y be this simple!?
>
> Thank you.
>
> If God is your co-pilot...switch seats.
> Mike Perez
> Karetaker Aero
> STILL Building...
>
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| Subject: | Re: First Engine Start - No Joy |
Check your float level
Jeff Martin
> On Jul 5, 2014, at 9:14 AM, Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net> wrote
:
>
> My Fourth was spent doing fuel flow tests and getting ready for the first
engine run. As mentioned in the subject line, no luck getting the engine to
start. At the end of a long day, we spent about two hours and multiple hand
propping attempts with no luck...absolutely no sighs of life. Pulling the #
3 lower spark plug verified no fuel was making it into the cylinders. The sp
ark plug was dry and had no smell of fuel. I verified that fuel was in/at th
e carburetor fuel bowl by loosening the fuel filter nut and allowing the fue
l to drip out of my NA-S3B. I do not have any primer system installed and I d
o not have any type starter fluid on hand, so there was no "pre-charge" of t
he cylinders/carb./intake attempted.
>
> Before I remove the carb., (or anything else) and start to tear down compo
nents, I am open for suggestions. I understand that troubleshooting vie ema
il is tough, but I appreciate any help provided.
>
> If God is your co-pilot...switch seats.
> Mike Perez
> Karetaker Aero
> STILL Building...
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: First Engine Start - No Joy |
Jack, "Lots of questions."- Boy, you and I both!-- I was in cockpit,
so I could not hear anything from my vantage point. The engine is currently
set up as it would be for flight...heat box, air cleaner, etc.=0A=0AI did
the rebuild on the carburetor myself following the correct overhaul manual
and various other NA-3B literature I have. I cross referenced the various p
art numbers and confirmed that the jets, nozzles, etc. are correct for my e
ngine. I installed new seals/gaskets/shims as per the manuals and set the f
loat level.- (All to say that I did what I could, but may have missed som
ething or did it incorrectly.)=0A=0AWhen I attempt another start, (as soon
as my "manual starter" can come back over) I'll do it with the carb. heat O
N initially and advise him to listen for suction.=0A=0A=0AIf God is your co
-pilot...switch seats. =0AMike Perez =0AKaretaker Aero=0A Attempting first
engine start.
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| Subject: | Re: First Engine Start - No Joy |
I'm sorry, I guess I should start by telling you what engine...it is an A-6
5.-- It is a J3 type box.- Just so I am clear:- do I prime-AND ch
oke, or choose/try one or the other?- Do we attempt a start while choking
, or are we just covering the inlet and "walking" the prop. to get flow sta
rted?=0A=0A=0AIf God is your co-pilot...switch seats. =0AMike Perez =0AKare
taker Aero =0AAttempting first engine start
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| Subject: | First Engine Start - No Joy |
I wouldn't try choking it while starting - too dangerous. Do as Gene
suggested, walking the prop through the intake stroke of each cylinder with
the switches "OFF" and the intake choked. That should pull enough fuel/air
mixture into the cylinders to start it. After doing that for 4-6 blades,
remove the choke, turn on the mags and prop it hard. Many people don't prop
very vigorously. I find it much easier to start an A65 with a really strong
swing - you should be able to prop it hard enough to get two blades before
it stops. Just be careful to not wrap your fingers around the trailing edge
of the prop very far, in case it does kick backwards (it can break your hand
or arm).
It's not necessary for you to be in the cockpit, as long as the tail is tied
down very securely. Have you had any instruction in hand-propping? Be sure
to start stepping back as you pull on the prop, so your body already has
momentum away from that meat cleaver in case you fall. It is not necessary
to kick your leg up before pulling down on the prop - that is just for
Hollywood and actually can make you overbalance and fall headfirst into the
prop. If you go to Brodhead later this month Rob Busch and Matt Paxton can
both give excellent advice on hand-propping airplanes.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael
Perez
Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2014 10:25 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: First Engine Start - No Joy
I'm sorry, I guess I should start by telling you what engine...it is an
A-65. It is a J3 type box. Just so I am clear: do I prime AND choke, or
choose/try one or the other? Do we attempt a start while choking, or are we
just covering the inlet and "walking" the prop. to get flow started?
If God is your co-pilot...switch seats.
Mike Perez
Karetaker Aero
Attempting first engine start
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| Subject: | Re: First Engine Start - No Joy |
Starter fluid or choke. Choke it until you hear sucking and should see fuel
dripping. Then prop without choke.
Gene
On Jul 5, 2014, at 10:24 AM, Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> I'm sorry, I guess I should start by telling you what engine...it is an A-
65. It is a J3 type box. Just so I am clear: do I prime AND choke, or ch
oose/try one or the other? Do we attempt a start while choking, or are we j
ust covering the inlet and "walking" the prop. to get flow started?
>
>
> If God is your co-pilot...switch seats.
> Mike Perez
> Karetaker Aero
> Attempting first engine start
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: First Engine Start - No Joy |
I'd check for a stuck needle valve. Is the needle valve attached to the float,
or not? Some carbs they are, and some they're not. Light tapping on the carb
bowl sometimes helps, air pressure into the bowl can help.
Or pull the bowl and double check.
If the needle is connected to the float, and you're sure you can hear the float
clunking around, then it's probably alright. Might have to pull the carb to
check that.
I know, I know, NONE of this is fun, especially when everything is safety wired.
However, you do need to MAKE SURE the basics are covered.
An engine needs three things... air, spark and fuel. The air and spark are the
easiest to check in this configuration. You know you have gas to the bowl, so
make sure it can get past the float valve. Then the needle.
With the throttle closed, it should prime itself. However, to get stuff flowing,
I do agree some external prime (heck, a squirt bottle and a LITTLE gas would
probably do the job) is a good idea.
Not to offend, but EVERY PULL of that prop can be a life threatening event. EVERY
SINGLE ONE, I've had a few hard starts (ALWAYS after the engine was off and/or
drained) and found myself getting complacent pulling that sucker over. Had
to concentrate HARD to pull, and wait, before heading back in to grab the prop
again. And manual priming and rocking props can start that thing up. So
BE CAREFUL and establish a GOOD SOLID routine with your switch guy. Don't let
all the looky loos giving advice on how to get it running get in the way or distract
you.
Be methodical and make only one change at a time. Don't belabor things too much
either. Make a change, give reasonable time, then move on to something else,
keeping in mind, it's usually a very basic thing that's wrong, which reminds
us, it can start at ANY time!
Lastly, if your arms are getting really tired, you're using bad propping technique.
Working up a sweat, getting frustrated, generally pooped, all normal, but
the arms should hold out. Good technique will keep the rest of you in the game
longer and help you get this figured out.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=426138#426138
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| Subject: | Re: First Engine Start - No Joy |
-Jack,- we do have the tail tied to a car and have two 25 pound weights
lying on the rope at the tail wheel. We also have sand bags at the wheels.
I just feel better in the cockpit for the added weight and instant access
to the throttle/mags.=0A=0AMy starter and I spent time going over proper ha
nd propping technique and he did many practice starts to get the fingers, s
tepping back, posture, etc. correct and comfortable.- I do thank you for
the tips and concerns.=0A=0AIs there a good way to determine when each cyli
nder is at the intake stroke?- Do I need to walk the prop through or just
rock it, (pump) it? Walking to me implies that the prop is turned in one d
irection effectively progressing through all cylinders and all 4 strokes.
=0A=0AI am off for flight training and other commitments now, but I will be
back later to answer any other questions.=0A=0AThank you all for the help.
I hope to try again tomorrow or Monday.=0A=0AMike Perez=0AKaretaker Aero
=0AAttempting first engine start
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| Subject: | Re: First Engine Start - No Joy |
what is the history of the carb??? =0A=0A=0AOn Saturday, July 5, 2014 10:07
AM, Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net> wrote:=0A =0A=0A=0A-Jack,
- we do have the tail tied to a car and have two 25 pound weights lying o
n the rope at the tail wheel. We also have sand bags at the wheels. I just
feel better in the cockpit for the added weight and instant access to the t
hrottle/mags.=0A=0AMy starter and I spent time going over proper hand propp
ing technique and he did many practice starts to get the fingers, stepping
back, posture, etc. correct and comfortable.- I do thank you for the tips
and concerns.=0A=0AIs there a good way to determine when each cylinder is
at the intake stroke?- Do I need to walk the prop through or just rock it
, (pump) it? Walking to me implies that the prop is turned in one direction
effectively progressing through all cylinders and all 4 strokes.=0A=0AI am
off for flight training and other commitments now, but I will be back late
r to answer any other questions.=0A=0AThank you all for the help. I hope to
try again tomorrow or Monday.=0A=0AMike Perez=0AKaretaker Aero=0AAttemptin
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| Subject: | Re: First Engine Start - No Joy |
might try asking asking mr g- =0A=0A=0AOn Saturday, July 5, 2014 9:53 AM
, Gene Rambo <generambo@msn.com> wrote:=0A =0A=0A=0AStarter fluid or choke
. -Choke it until you hear sucking and should see fuel dripping. Then pro
p without choke.-=0A=0AGene=0A=0AOn Jul 5, 2014, at 10:24 AM, Michael Per
ez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net> wrote:=0A=0A=0AI'm sorry, I guess I should st
art by telling you what engine...it is an A-65.-- It is a J3 type box.
- Just so I am clear:- do I prime-AND choke, or choose/try one or the
other?- Do we attempt a start while choking, or are we just covering the
inlet and "walking" the prop. to get flow started?=0A>=0A>=0A>If God is yo
ur co-pilot...switch seats. =0A>Mike Perez =0A>Karetaker Aero =0A>Attemptin
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| Subject: | A65 carb attachment |
Good People, On some small Continental engines the carb has a strap or
metal mount in addition to where it is attached to the engine. On some it
does not. Is this a function of where the glass bowl fuel strainer is? I
don't think I need it, My fuel strainer is on the firewall.
What have y'all done?
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Blue Skies,
Steve D
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| Subject: | Re: First Engine Start - No Joy |
Mike,
You probably have done this, but number one, tie the tail down with a rope and
knots that you would feel comfortable restraining a pit bull next to an elementary
school playground with. Do not trust wheel chocks nor brakes. If it starts
unexpectedly, your throttle and mag switch may not be set, and have a CO2 fire
extinguisher on hand. 10 years ago a FL Piet project was largely destroyed
on the first start for want of 6 feet of rope. Any engine that is giving trouble
starting is a distraction, and is creating a situation that could lead to inattention
on the brakes.
Two hours is a lot of hand propping on a warm day to not have a single hint of
life. Even if you don't know the starting drill on a 65 yet, in 120 minutes you
will have by random chance a pop over if everything is set right. Go back and
check things. Popping over on starter fluid does not correct what is out of
adjustment. You don't need the motor to run to time the mags and verify float
height.
Now comes the stuff only a tactless person would say: If the guy who is teaching
you about hand propping a 65 doesn't already know every single thing that has
been written by Jack and the other's he is the wrong guy to be helping you.
Hand propping and diagnosing engine issues are skills to learn, but if your guy
doesn't know what is going on in 2 hours, you need a better in person assistant,
or to have the realization that you are on your own. You can not imagine
how many people I speak to every year who are new to airplanes and have 'a buddy'
who is just providing a false sense of progress and security while the stumble
on.
Tactless part #2. If in any way shape or form, it turns out that your 'carb rebuild' or any of the adjustments to it are the starting issue, take it as a warning shot from the universe not to play aircraft mechanic on critical items. Sounds harsh, but read this story about a guy I knew who insisted that anyone could rebuild an airplane carb, that hubris and an internal mistake, killed him on the first flight: http://flycorvair.net/2013/04/20/risk-management-judgement-error-money-in-the-wrong-place/
Not to hurt your feelings but your tone on carbs reminds me of Ken. I asked him
3 times to have a pro check it, he died a week later.
Any engine, Continental, Corvair or Lycoming, if it is set correctly should start near instantly on a warm day, even if it has never started before. The average crank time on a brand new Corvair at a College is 3 seconds. A perfectly set new 65 should light on maybe 5 blade pulls. Tactless part #3: if the best prep work you can do before a start test doesn't work, take it as an important sign that you need to re-evaluate what you think you know, and who you think you are learning it from. It should not take two hours of pulling on a prop and an email from a tactless jackass in Florida to have a 'moment of awareness' on this. In the past you have offered a lot of information for sale for a guy who can't start an engine today. I have been an A&P for 24 years, but I still touch every plane cognizant that safety is only found after you discard the myth of personal infallibility. If you would like to learn more, This link has stories of a number of friends of mine, all dead now: http://flycorvair.net/2014/01/21/risk-management-reference-page/ -ww.
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| Subject: | Re: First Engine Start - No Joy |
One last cautionary tale. We have a Piper Cub with an A-75. During it's last
annual, the mechanic had the mag switch OFF preparing for an engine run and pulled
the engine through slowly. It was cold and unprimed but started anyway.
Scared the crap out of him. He DID have it safely tied to a concrete post and
chocked so there was no further drama. Turned out there was crud in the 60+
year old switch and it provided a path for the p-lead.
The lesson to be taken from this was mentioned earlier. ALWAYS treat the engine
as "live" if it's completely assembled.
Dave
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| Subject: | Re: Happy 4th everyone |
Never got up yesterday - just didn't feel like fighting such winds, but
today was spectacular. I took my wife, Karen, up and she got a number
of
good pictures of Smith Mountain Lake, where we live. I never get tired
of
the views flying over the lake. Here is my favorite of the pictures she
shot:
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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Boatright,
Jeffrey
Sent: Friday, July 04, 2014 10:32 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Happy 4th everyone
Glorious morning flight today on the 4th! Very cool temps for this time
of
year in Atlanta. I was actually chilly at 2300 MSL. Went down to 1700
MSL
for warmth and, oddly, fewer bumps.
--
Jeffrey H. Boatright, PhD, FARVO
Professor of Ophthalmology
Emory University School of Medicine
From: Jack Phillips <jack@bedfordlandings.com>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Happy 4th everyone
<jack@bedfordlandings.com>
I'm waiting till this evening. Right now we have winds at 15 knots with
gusts to 25, directly across the runway. Too much work flying in such
winds!
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Happy 4th everyone
<Scott.liefeld@lacity.org>
Good morning Pieters,
I flew for 30 minutes this morning before it gets hot. Lifted off at
5:45.
Great smooth ride.
Happy Landings,
--------
Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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| Subject: | July 4th flights |
Stupid iphone, it discourages me from writing long enough, so here's the
full story.
Marci and I shared a gorgeous 20 minute morning flight, buzzed our house and
some friends houses, landed and started our day.
That evening, our entire July 4th party wanted to fly so to the airport we
go. Set a Douwe record, 7 flights back to back. Aint much for some of you
veterans, but a lot for po ole RE-PIET and Douwe. Was SO much fun. Not
super strong winds, but CRAZY directionally, constantly shifting, could
almost never tell which way to take off or land! Once when coming in with
a big dude, the wind shifted 180 from my nose to my tail on final!!
Gave some people and kids their first real flying experience and every
single one enjoyed it immensely. My mother in law was crying when we
landed. She said it was because of the beauty, but maybe it was my landing,
who knows!
I can feel RE-PIET chompin' at the bit to stretch her legs a bit in a few
weeks!!!
Happy 4th.
Douwe
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| Subject: | Re: Happy 4th everyone |
Beautiful Jack. I tried to post the pictures my wife took of our flight yest
erday but we didn't do something right and it didn't go through. Hope everyo
ne had a great 4th.
Randy Bush
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On Jul 5, 2014, at 12:16 PM, "Jack Phillips" <jack@bedfordlandings.com> wrot
e:
> Never got up yesterday =93 just didn=99t feel like fighting su
ch winds, but today was spectacular. I took my wife, Karen, up and she got a
number of good pictures of Smith Mountain Lake, where we live. I never get
tired of the views flying over the lake. Here is my favorite of the pictur
es she shot:
>
> <image002.jpg>
>
> Jack Phillips
> NX899JP
> Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
>
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-li
st-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Boatright, Jeffrey
> Sent: Friday, July 04, 2014 10:32 PM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Happy 4th everyone
>
> Glorious morning flight today on the 4th! Very cool temps for this time o
f year in Atlanta. I was actually chilly at 2300 MSL. Went down to 1700 MSL f
or warmth and, oddly, fewer bumps.
> --
>
> Jeffrey H. Boatright, PhD, FARVO
> Professor of Ophthalmology
> Emory University School of Medicine
>
> From: Jack Phillips <jack@bedfordlandings.com>
> Date: Friday, July 4, 2014 at 1:08 PM
> To: "pietenpol-list@matronics.com" <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Happy 4th everyone
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s.com>
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> I'm waiting till this evening. Right now we have winds at 15 knots with
> gusts to 25, directly across the runway. Too much work flying in such
> winds!
>
> Jack Phillips
> NX899JP
> Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
>
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> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Happy 4th everyone
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>
> Good morning Pieters,
> I flew for 30 minutes this morning before it gets hot. Lifted off at 5:45.
> Great smooth ride.
> Happy Landings,
>
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> Scott Liefeld
> Flying N11MS since March 1972
> Steel Tube
> C-85-12
> Wire Wheels
> Brodhead in 1996
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| Subject: | Re: Happy 4th everyone |
I flew 1.2 again this morning. Took an old friend of mine. It was his first ride
in the Piet. He was smiling ear to ear when we got back.
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Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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| Subject: | Re: A65 carb attachment |
Steve; are you talking about the blue bracket ahead of the carb in the picture
attached? I asked the same question and got varied answers. 41CC has always
had that bracket but the original one broke in the nose-over. When I found out
how much the Continental part cost, I made my own.
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| Subject: | Re: First Engine Start - No Joy |
Gene, thank you. I understand now.
Mike Perez
Karetaker Aero
Attempting first engine start
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| Subject: | Re: First Engine Start - No Joy |
Understood Dave. We are treating everything at this point as unknowns and, like
you said, consider every time the prop. is touched that it will start.
Mike Perez
Karetaker Aero
Attempting first engine start
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| Subject: | Re: First Engine Start - No Joy |
Thank you all for the advice.- It appears that I may get another shot at
this thing tomorrow. I will try the various suggestions to see if I can at
least get the plugs wet. At that point, I hope to get a sputter or cough to
verify that some form of ignition is present. Either way, I will try to up
date the list as to how things went.=0A=0AMike Perez=0AKaretaker Aero=0AAtt
empting first engine start
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| Subject: | July 5th...New Milestone |
-It has been a long time coming, but today I finally soloed! It was great
weather for it and after three circuits around the pattern, I did another
three solo.- I was very surprised that I was not nervous, concerned or wo
rried in any way. Everything felt really good and I was very calm...no diff
erent then when driving a car. It all went very well and I could not be mor
e pleased.- =0A=0AAs I mentioned in another thread, tomorrow it is back t
o trying for my first engine start.=0A=0AMike Perez=0AKaretaker Aero=0AAtte
mpting first engine start
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| Subject: | Re: July 5th...New Milestone |
Congratulations on the first solo Michael.
Jim B.
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| Subject: | July 5th...New Milestone |
Congratulations, Michael! You've taken the first step into a larger world.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael
Perez
Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2014 6:27 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: July 5th...New Milestone
It has been a long time coming, but today I finally soloed! It was great
weather for it and after three circuits around the pattern, I did another
three solo. I was very surprised that I was not nervous, concerned or
worried in any way. Everything felt really good and I was very calm...no
different then when driving a car. It all went very well and I could not be
more pleased.
As I mentioned in another thread, tomorrow it is back to trying for my first
engine start.
Mike Perez
Karetaker Aero
Attempting first engine start
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| Subject: | Re: Happy 4th everyone |
Jack,
Beautiful photo. I was just in Virginia last week, absolutely beautiful! Do I
remember that you are that you are planning on an airport bed and breakfast
? I visited Kill Devil Hills for the first time, very impressive. They let m
e take many photos of the 1903 Flyer...close ups.
Are your jury struts just round tubing, what size?
Thanks,
Ray Krause
Building SkyScout
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> On Jul 5, 2014, at 10:16 AM, "Jack Phillips" <jack@bedfordlandings.com> wr
ote:
>
> Never got up yesterday =93 just didn=99t feel like fighting su
ch winds, but today was spectacular. I took my wife, Karen, up and she got a
number of good pictures of Smith Mountain Lake, where we live. I never get
tired of the views flying over the lake. Here is my favorite of the pictur
es she shot:
>
> <image002.jpg>
>
> Jack Phillips
> NX899JP
> Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
>
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-li
st-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Boatright, Jeffrey
> Sent: Friday, July 04, 2014 10:32 PM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Happy 4th everyone
>
> Glorious morning flight today on the 4th! Very cool temps for this time o
f year in Atlanta. I was actually chilly at 2300 MSL. Went down to 1700 MSL f
or warmth and, oddly, fewer bumps.
> --
>
> Jeffrey H. Boatright, PhD, FARVO
> Professor of Ophthalmology
> Emory University School of Medicine
>
> From: Jack Phillips <jack@bedfordlandings.com>
> Date: Friday, July 4, 2014 at 1:08 PM
> To: "pietenpol-list@matronics.com" <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Happy 4th everyone
>
s.com>
>
> I'm waiting till this evening. Right now we have winds at 15 knots with
> gusts to 25, directly across the runway. Too much work flying in such
> winds!
>
> Jack Phillips
> NX899JP
> Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> AircamperN11MS
> Sent: Friday, July 04, 2014 10:20 AM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Happy 4th everyone
>
> <Scott.liefeld@lacity.org>
>
> Good morning Pieters,
> I flew for 30 minutes this morning before it gets hot. Lifted off at 5:45.
> Great smooth ride.
> Happy Landings,
>
> --------
> Scott Liefeld
> Flying N11MS since March 1972
> Steel Tube
> C-85-12
> Wire Wheels
> Brodhead in 1996
>
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| Subject: | Re: July 5th...New Milestone |
Congrats Michael!!!! Another fledgling leaves the nest. No small feat and o
ne very few humans on this planet accomplish.
Scott K
Sent from my iPhone
> On Jul 6, 2014, at 12:29 AM, "Michael Perez" <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net> wr
ote:
>
> It has been a long time coming, but today I finally soloed! It was great w
eather for it and after three circuits around the pattern, I did another thr
ee solo. I was very surprised that I was not nervous, concerned or worried i
n any way. Everything felt really good and I was very calm...no different th
en when driving a car. It all went very well and I could not be more pleased
.
>
> As I mentioned in another thread, tomorrow it is back to trying for my fir
st engine start.
>
> Mike Perez
> Karetaker Aero
> Attempting first engine start
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