Pietenpol-List Digest Archive

Tue 07/08/14


Total Messages Posted: 37



Today's Message Index:
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     1. 06:21 AM - Re: Engine Starts/Runs (Michael Perez)
     2. 06:30 AM - Re: Re: July 5th...New Milestone (Michael Perez)
     3. 06:34 AM - Re: Re: Engine Starts/Runs (Michael Perez)
     4. 06:49 AM - Re: Re: Engine Starts/Runs ()
     5. 06:53 AM - Fuel Float...Doesn't (Michael Perez)
     6. 07:08 AM - Re: Fuel Float...Doesn't (Jack Phillips)
     7. 07:24 AM - Re: Fuel Float...Doesn't (tools)
     8. 07:36 AM - Re: Fuel Float...Doesn't (Michael Perez)
     9. 07:46 AM - cork sealant that works  (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Partners, LLC])
    10. 07:48 AM - Re: Re: July 5th...New Milestone (Steven Dortch)
    11. 07:51 AM - Re: Fuel Float...Doesn't (Michael Perez)
    12. 07:54 AM - Re: cork sealant that works  (Michael Perez)
    13. 08:00 AM - Re: Re: July 5th...New Milestone (Michael Perez)
    14. 08:41 AM - cork floats in nose fuel tanks (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Partners, LLC])
    15. 08:56 AM - Re: cork floats in nose fuel tanks (Michael Perez)
    16. 08:57 AM - Re: Re: July 5th...New Milestone (Ryan Mueller)
    17. 08:59 AM - corks (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Partners, LLC])
    18. 09:31 AM - completeness of plans (Pocono John)
    19. 09:47 AM - Re: Re: July 5th...New Milestone (Michael Perez)
    20. 09:57 AM - Re: completeness of plans (Jack)
    21. 10:02 AM - Glue (Robert Gow)
    22. 10:24 AM - Re: Glue (glenschweizer@yahoo.com)
    23. 10:28 AM - Re: completeness of plans (Jack Phillips)
    24. 10:52 AM - Re: Glue (Robert Gow)
    25. 10:55 AM - Re: Glue (womenfly2)
    26. 11:01 AM - Re: Re: Glue (Robert Gow)
    27. 01:00 PM - Re: completeness of plans (tools)
    28. 01:15 PM - Re: Re: July 5th...New Milestone (Steven Dortch)
    29. 01:37 PM - Re: Re: Engine Starts/Runs (Michael Perez)
    30. 02:03 PM - Re: Fuel Float...Doesn't (Barry Davis)
    31. 05:50 PM - Re: completeness of plans (Charles N. Campbell)
    32. 05:59 PM - Re: Fuel Float...Doesn't (GNflyer)
    33. 07:38 PM - Re: Re: Fuel Float...Doesn't (Clif Dawson)
    34. 08:04 PM - Re: completeness of plans (AG)
    35. 08:55 PM - Re: Seatbelt eyebolts. (taildrags)
    36. 09:10 PM - Re: Fuel Float...Doesn't (taildrags)
    37. 09:56 PM - Re: BFR (taildrags)
 
 
 


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    Time: 06:21:02 AM PST US
    From: Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net>
    Subject: Re: Engine Starts/Runs
    Thank you Matt. I expected the engine to light, sputter, die. Then a few pu lls later...more sputter, cough, die. Another few pulls...hack, cough, then finally run and settle into a nice idle.- I was happy to see/hear it lig ht and immediately settle to a nice smooth idle. =0A=0AI am moving on to at taching the wings so I can start fabricating cross cables, cabane diagonals , etc. I don't believe I can get the plane out of the garage with the wings on, so the next engine run will be after the wings come back off, (so I ca n move it back into the shop) and I get ready to store it for winter.=0A=0A Thank you all for the encouraging posts, emails and texts.=0A=0A=0A=0A- =0AIf God is your co-pilot, switch seats=0AMike Perez=0AKaretaker Aero=0AFi rst engine start complete!


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    Time: 06:30:32 AM PST US
    From: Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net>
    Subject: Re: July 5th...New Milestone
    I will continue to divide my time between flight training and building. However, the major building is really close to being complete. I have a few items left to fabricate and some other small items I plan to work on during the winter. Having soloed has really changed my motivation. At times, I was not looking forward to the drive out to the strip for more of the same work, just to make the drive home feeling like I accomplished nothing. Now, I am excited to fly alone and really work on my skills and procedures. Thank you all for the encouraging posts, emails and texts. If God is your co-pilot, switch seats Mike Perez Karetaker Aero First engine start complete!


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    Time: 06:34:17 AM PST US
    From: Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net>
    Subject: Re: Engine Starts/Runs
    No joy on the You Tube vid. as of yet, but here is a picture just after shu tdown.=0A=0A-=0AIf God is your co-pilot, switch seats=0AMike Perez=0AKare taker Aero=0AFirst engine start complete!


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    Time: 06:49:04 AM PST US
    From: <brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com>
    Subject: Re: Engine Starts/Runs
    Great pic..... Mike! Congrats!! Brian SLC-UT From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-lis t-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Perez Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2014 7:34 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Engine Starts/Runs No joy on the You Tube vid. as of yet, but here is a picture just after shu tdown. If God is your co-pilot, switch seats Mike Perez Karetaker Aero First engine start complete!


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    Time: 06:53:45 AM PST US
    From: Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net>
    Subject: Fuel Float...Doesn't
    I bought two cork floats from ACS. I took one, coated it with either T-88 o r varnish, (Don't recall which...) and found out during the fuel flow tests , it sinks.- The "gauge" consists of the cork float and a thin wire passi ng through it.- I plan to test the other cork, as is, from ACS and hope i t floats. Any other suggestions?=0A=0A-=0AIf God is your co-pilot, switch seats=0AMike Perez=0AKaretakerAero=0AFirst engine start complete!


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    Time: 07:08:27 AM PST US
    From: "Jack Phillips" <jack@bedfordlandings.com>
    Subject: Fuel Float...Doesn't
    What is your wire made of? I found that a steel wire requires a vry large cork to support it. I made my wire out of aluminum, and just melted a ball on the end with my oxy-acetylene torch and painted it balze orange. I coated the cork and the paint on the ball with epoxy varnish. After 10 years it hasn't sunk yet. Here's a picture that shows my fuel gage as seen from the rear cockpit: Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Perez Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2014 9:54 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fuel Float...Doesn't I bought two cork floats from ACS. I took one, coated it with either T-88 or varnish, (Don't recall which...) and found out during the fuel flow tests, it sinks. The "gauge" consists of the cork float and a thin wire passing through it. I plan to test the other cork, as is, from ACS and hope it floats. Any other suggestions? If God is your co-pilot, switch seats Mike Perez Karetaker Aero First engine start complete!


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    Time: 07:24:29 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Fuel Float...Doesn't
    From: "tools" <n0kkj@yahoo.com>
    Cork is pretty rough and porous. Not sure coating it helps. It's nigh near inevitable that there's gaps in coverage UNLESS you really coat it thickly with epoxy, which'll make it a lot heavier and even less able to support weight. Is the cork you bought designed to hold an indicator UP out of the fuel (as in a nose tank), or hang DOWN (as into a transparent sump in a wing tank) into fuel? The latter can be smaller. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=426292#426292


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    Time: 07:36:45 AM PST US
    From: Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net>
    Subject: Re: Fuel Float...Doesn't
    Hi Jack. My float is in the tank, passing through the tank cap. (Nose mount ed tank.)- I thought that maybe the clearance between the wire on the cor k and the tube is slides in, through the cap, was too tight. So I held it i n hand and stuck it into a jug of 100LL and it sank!- I believe the wire is S.S. welding rod. I just measured a .062" dia. welding rod I have here n ow, I believe my float wire is thinner.=0A=0A-=0AIf God is your co-pilot, switch seats=0AMike Perez=0AKaretaker Aero=0AFirst engine start complete!


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    Time: 07:46:08 AM PST US
    From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>
    Subject: cork sealant that works
    Congratulations on your solo and engine run Mike P. If the cork is dipped in shellac, allowed to dry one day between coats, and given 2-3 coats it will be impervious to avgas for many years but will not be impervious for auto fuel that contains ethanol. Mike C. Ohio


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    Time: 07:48:21 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: July 5th...New Milestone
    From: Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch@gmail.com>
    Michael, Training in the Cessna 150 is good and cheap. I am a 150 fan. BUT please get a really good tailwheel endorsement before you play with your Piet. I had an old tyme instructor beat good landings into my head (Literally, he rolled up a sectional and hit me on the head while he screamed "Step on the ball, dammit!" ) The result was my landings in a J3 Cub on Saturday during my Biennial Flight Review were echelons better than the CFIs and that was after almost two years of not flying. I am very comfortable with my ability to fly the Piet, but even so I am going to beg some time with a couple of guys who own taildraggers just before I start flying it. Blue Skies, Steve D On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 8:30 AM, Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > I will continue to divide my time between flight training and building. > However, the major building is really close to being complete. I have a few > items left to fabricate and some other small items I plan to work on during > the winter. > > Having soloed has really changed my motivation. At times, I was not > looking forward to the drive out to the strip for more of the same work, > just to make the drive home feeling like I accomplished nothing. Now, I am > excited to fly alone and really work on my skills and procedures. > > Thank you all for the encouraging posts, emails and texts. > > If God is your co-pilot, switch seats > Mike Perez > Karetaker Aero > First engine start complete! > > -- Blue Skies, Steve D


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    Time: 07:51:02 AM PST US
    From: Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net>
    Subject: Re: Fuel Float...Doesn't
    The float is 1.5" long by 1.0" diameter. It came pre-coated/drilled, but it seemed to me that the coating was so thin and "broken" that it would not s eal.- (Did I test it prior to coating myself...ah, nope...doh!)=0A=0A- =0AIf God is your co-pilot, switch seats=0AMike Perez=0AKaretaker Aero=0AFi rst engine start complete!


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    Time: 07:54:56 AM PST US
    From: Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net>
    Subject: Re: cork sealant that works
    Thanks Mike!- I copied your fuel "gauge" almost exact...guess I missed so mething. From the pictures I have of yours, it appears you used only one co rk, correct?=0A=0A-=0AIf God is your co-pilot, switch seats=0AMike Perez =0AKaretaker Aero=0AFirst engine start complete!


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    Time: 08:00:28 AM PST US
    From: Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net>
    Subject: Re: July 5th...New Milestone
    I completely understand Steve. My first 15 or so hours of flight training w ere in a 120/140. I was taxing and doing takeoff/landings in it from day on e.- I had planned on going back to that for my T.W. endorsement, but anot her student locked the brakes after touchdown and rolled it over. I'll be n eeding another place/plane for the T.W. work.=0A=0A-=0AIf God is your co- pilot, switch seats=0AMike Perez=0AKaretaker Aero=0AFirst engine start comp lete!


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    Time: 08:41:44 AM PST US
    From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>
    Subject: cork floats in nose fuel tanks
    I actually shaved/belt sanded two corks so that they would fit in the fuel filler neck and then epoxied them end to end, inserted the float wire and pulled the j- hook into the bottom and then started applying the shellac coats. Mike C. Ohio [cid:image001.jpg@01CF9AA1.7EF5BDC0]


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    Time: 08:56:36 AM PST US
    From: Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net>
    Subject: Re: cork floats in nose fuel tanks
    AH!- I only used a single.=0A=0A-=0AIf God is your co-pilot, switch sea ts=0AMike Perez=0AKaretaker Aero=0AFirst engine start complete!


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    Time: 08:57:10 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: July 5th...New Milestone
    From: Ryan Mueller <ryan@rmueller.org>
    I ran into the same problem at Poplar Grove with their 140 right before I started taking lessons, back in the day. :-P Congratulations on your achievement (both in the air and with your engine), keep up the good work, Ryan On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 10:00 AM, Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > I completely understand Steve. My first 15 or so hours of flight training > were in a 120/140. I was taxing and doing takeoff/landings in it from day > one. I had planned on going back to that for my T.W. endorsement, but > another student locked the brakes after touchdown and rolled it over. > I'll be needing another place/plane for the T.W. work. > > If God is your co-pilot, switch seats > Mike Perez > Karetaker Aero > First engine start complete! >


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    Time: 08:59:22 AM PST US
    From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>
    Subject: corks
    [cid:image001.jpg@01CF9AA3.F43FEA90]


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    Time: 09:31:46 AM PST US
    Subject: completeness of plans
    From: "Pocono John" <tinmotion@yahoo.com>
    I'd like to know if the plans are complete, without endless errors and omissions. If there are such problems, are they documented somewhere with solutions/corrections? I just quit my Hatz Classic project after two years, $8K and 400 hours as I want to build a plane; spending my time correcting plans is not what I want to do. I'm not a designer or engineer. I need solid, detailed, plans. Thank you. -------- John Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=426307#426307


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    Time: 09:47:26 AM PST US
    From: Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net>
    Subject: Re: July 5th...New Milestone
    Thanks Ryan. It just figures...that 140 has been there for years and it was hardly ever used. I flew it for 15 or so hours, then others started to she dule it.- I don't know if the "student" was a green pilot or a seasoned v et getting a T.W. endorsement.- I hope to get all my training in before s omeone wrecks the plane I fly now.- (I'm doing my best to ensure it isn't me!)=0A=0A-=0AIf God is your co-pilot, switch seats=0AMike Perez=0AKaret aker Aero=0AFirst engine start complete!


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    Time: 09:57:49 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: completeness of plans
    From: Jack <jack@textors.com>
    John I respectfully suggest maybe plans built is not your best direction. All have changes and omissions. I believe the archives have an article detailing many of the changes. Good luck. Sent from my iPad Jack Textor > On Jul 8, 2014, at 11:31 AM, "Pocono John" <tinmotion@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > I'd like to know if the plans are complete, without endless errors and omissions. If there are such problems, are they documented somewhere with solutions/corrections? I just quit my Hatz Classic project after two years, $8K and 400 hours as I want to build a plane; spending my time correcting plans is not what I want to do. I'm not a designer or engineer. I need solid, detailed, plans. Thank you. > > -------- > John > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=426307#426307 > > > > > > > > > >


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    Time: 10:02:00 AM PST US
    From: Robert Gow <rgow@avionicsdesign.ca>
    Subject: Glue
    I have just ordered my wing kit and am wondering if anyone has a strong reason use a specific glue like the West System epoxy or other glue. Robert Gow


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    Time: 10:24:14 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Glue
    From: glenschweizer@yahoo.com
    Hello Robert Here we go again. You might want to check the archives for many in depth di scussions of this topic. Obviously, an important component of your project, this is one area where you should follow the lead of previous successes. E njoy your build! Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 8, 2014, at 10:01 AM, Robert Gow <rgow@avionicsdesign.ca> wrote: > > I have just ordered my wing kit and am wondering if anyone has a strong r eason use a specific glue like the West System epoxy or other glue. > > Robert Gow > > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >


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    Time: 10:28:30 AM PST US
    From: "Jack Phillips" <jack@bedfordlandings.com>
    Subject: completeness of plans
    John, in general the Pietenpol plans are pretty good. That is not to say that you won't have to spend considerable time studying them, because the dimension you need on sheet 4 might have been put on sheet 2 (the plans were drawn by a high school student). They apparently are good enough, because hundreds of planes have been built from them, most by builders who never built an airplane before. If you want to build a plane with excellent plans and drawings, I'd suggest contactong Vans Aircraft, and building one of their RV's. If you are willing to take the time to study and think over the plans, you'll find building a Pietenpol to be a rewarding experience. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pocono John Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2014 12:32 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: completeness of plans I'd like to know if the plans are complete, without endless errors and omissions. If there are such problems, are they documented somewhere with solutions/corrections? I just quit my Hatz Classic project after two years, $8K and 400 hours as I want to build a plane; spending my time correcting plans is not what I want to do. I'm not a designer or engineer. I need solid, detailed, plans. Thank you. -------- John Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=426307#426307


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    Time: 10:52:10 AM PST US
    From: Robert Gow <rgow@avionicsdesign.ca>
    Subject: Glue
    OK I will see what I can find From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of glenschweizer@yahoo.com Sent: July 8, 2014 1:24 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Glue Hello Robert Here we go again. You might want to check the archives for many in depth discussions of this topic. Obviously, an important component of your project, this is one area where you should follow the lead of previous successes. Enjoy your build! Sent from my iPhone On Jul 8, 2014, at 10:01 AM, Robert Gow <rgow@avionicsdesign.ca> wrote: I have just ordered my wing kit and am wondering if anyone has a strong reason use a specific glue like the West System epoxy or other glue. Robert Gow claiming to be http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List claiming to be http://forums.matronics.com claiming to be http://www.matronics.com/contribution


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    Time: 10:55:51 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Glue
    From: "womenfly2" <Love2Fly.KAP@gmail.com>
    T-88 is fine, even the FAA will approve it on a 337 for STC aircraft on wood repair. Is easy to mix, 1:1, and have a good overall strength in a wide range of temperatures. Many, many home-builts flying using T-88 epoxy, that is real world proof enough. -------- Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=426315#426315


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    Time: 11:01:35 AM PST US
    From: Robert Gow <rgow@avionicsdesign.ca>
    Subject: Re: Glue
    Yes and it is spec'ed by a number of homebuilt kit companies. So T-88 it is. Thanks -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of womenfly2 Sent: July 8, 2014 1:55 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Glue --> <Love2Fly.KAP@gmail.com> T-88 is fine, even the FAA will approve it on a 337 for STC aircraft on wood repair. Is easy to mix, 1:1, and have a good overall strength in a wide range of temperatures. Many, many home-builts flying using T-88 epoxy, that is real world proof enough. -------- Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=426315#426315


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    Time: 01:00:26 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: completeness of plans
    From: "tools" <n0kkj@yahoo.com>
    I assume because of how you asked, you're interested in a plans built plane. The Piet plans are complete without ENDLESS errors and omissions. It's the reason I decided to go this way, WHILE my dad was building a Hatz and kept getting frustrated with how vague the plans were. Like mentioned, they are not perfect. However, probably as much as ANY plans build design, there are countless examples, usually one pretty close to where ever you live, to go eyeball in person which makes a world of difference. About the best source of little detail specifics, would be your own camera at Brodhead. In the absence of that, westcoastpiet is an excellent picture resource. Asking here and of course contacting a piet owner/builder directly. The plans aren't good enough to build a kit full of parts, and then assemble them into a plane, so you'll have to study them and build as you go. They certainly are good enough to estimate accurately how much of whatever material you'll need it you want to buy all at once. Also, there's TONS of VERY usable "quick build kits" out there in the form of abandoned projects or unflyable ones that need restoring or used as a collection of parts. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=426319#426319


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    Time: 01:15:48 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: July 5th...New Milestone
    From: Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch@gmail.com>
    One popular setup for Early (1947 and earlier) Cessna 120/140s was an extender that put the wheels forward about 5 or 6 inches to reduce the chance for noseovers. It was a factory option. In late 1947 they moved the gear forward and did not need the extenders. Blue Skies, Steve D. On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 11:40 AM, Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > Thanks Ryan. It just figures...that 140 has been there for years and it > was hardly ever used. I flew it for 15 or so hours, then others started to > shedule it. I don't know if the "student" was a green pilot or a seasoned > vet getting a T.W. endorsement. I hope to get all my training in before > someone wrecks the plane I fly now. (I'm doing my best to ensure it isn't > me!) > > If God is your co-pilot, switch seats > Mike Perez > Karetaker Aero > First engine start complete! > > * > > > * > > -- Blue Skies, Steve D


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    Time: 01:37:33 PM PST US
    From: Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net>
    Subject: Re: Engine Starts/Runs
    Here is the You Tube link to the first engine run. It is heavily cut, so it is very short and not much for entertainment. I'll post the full version at a later time. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBqgvB5OxVc If God is your co-pilot, switch seats Mike Perez Karetaker Aero First engine start complete!


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    Time: 02:03:40 PM PST US
    From: "Barry Davis" <bed@mindspring.com>
    Subject: Fuel Float...Doesn't
    Open these 2 attachments. We used #30 size corks. Barry NX973BP From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Perez Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2014 9:54 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fuel Float...Doesn't I bought two cork floats from ACS. I took one, coated it with either T-88 or varnish, (Don't recall which...) and found out during the fuel flow tests, it sinks. The "gauge" consists of the cork float and a thin wire passing through it. I plan to test the other cork, as is, from ACS and hope it floats. Any other suggestions? If God is your co-pilot, switch seats Mike Perez Karetaker Aero First engine start complete!


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    Time: 05:50:35 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: completeness of plans
    From: "Charles N. Campbell" <charlescampbell1924@gmail.com>
    John, I agree with Jack. The Pietenpol plans (more complete than most give them credit for) are still woefully incomplete. I would suggest a kit that the directions say, " connect parts A and B with five bolts and nuts as shown in illustration A14". I would suggest you go to the Zenith Aircraft web site and look at the sample directions. I think the directions are for constructing a 601 rudder. Chuck On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 12:57 PM, Jack <jack@textors.com> wrote: > > John I respectfully suggest maybe plans built is not your best direction. > All have changes and omissions. I believe the archives have an article > detailing many of the changes. Good luck. > > Sent from my iPad > Jack Textor > > > On Jul 8, 2014, at 11:31 AM, "Pocono John" <tinmotion@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > I'd like to know if the plans are complete, without endless errors and > omissions. If there are such problems, are they documented somewhere with > solutions/corrections? I just quit my Hatz Classic project after two years, > $8K and 400 hours as I want to build a plane; spending my time correcting > plans is not what I want to do. I'm not a designer or engineer. I need > solid, detailed, plans. Thank you. > > > > -------- > > John > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=426307#426307 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >


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    Time: 05:59:25 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Fuel Float...Doesn't
    From: "GNflyer" <rayeh48@yahoo.com>
    I have a brass float that was for some year of mustang- have no idea what year now, but it has a rolled groove around it at one end and works fine though I have yet to make a bottom of the tank gage so it can hang down. it is for now through the cap and being a top of the wing center section tank fairly useless unless you are brave enough to loosen the seatbelts and raise up enough to view it. Raymond Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=426333#426333


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    Time: 07:38:06 PM PST US
    From: "Clif Dawson" <cdawson5854@shaw.ca>
    Subject: Re: Fuel Float...Doesn't
    Mirror. :-) :-) Clif being a top of the wing center section tank fairly useless unless you are brave enough to loosen the seatbelts and raise up enough to view it. Raymond


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    Time: 08:04:19 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: completeness of plans
    From: "AG" <aglangerco@yahoo.com>
    In response to your question I should first explain my position. I am a first time builder in the relatively early stages of my build. Now to answer your questions I have already come across numerous "errors/omissions" with the plans. - a great source of frustration at times. One thing I've learned already is this - the "errors/omissions" usually crop up when you try to figure out the whole project at one - biting off too big a piece to chew on at once. It seems best to break the project down into little pieces and that makes it more manageable- then you can break apart that smaller step or assembly and figure out what you know and what you still need to find out to proceed. At this point I've found both this board, numerous print/web/human sources beneficial - and Andrew Pietenpol - the one who sells the plans is more than happy to answer many many questions by phone or email (ask me how I know...) Incidentally - as I progress I'm finding that many of those "omissions" in the plans don't actually exist - I just hadn't studied the plans enough or hadn't found that misplaced detail. part of this - I think - is this internet age we live in. So often the temptation is to give up and run to Google at the slightest problem -when most of the times spending even 5 more minutes studying the drawings would yield the info we're looking for. Perhaps the biggest source of frustration one might find with the Pietenpol is the many different ways people build them. Even the plans show 3 different fuselage options - 2 landing gear options - 2 wing options etc. Secondly - look at 10 Pietenpols and you'll find 10 different ways of building a Pietenpol. This can be more frustrating than a plan which is more "cookie-cutter" as you have to sort through the options and make decisions - but it all depends on how you look at it - the Piet really allows you to make it uniquely yours. Anyway - that's just my novice opinion (long-winded too) I understand your frustrations - but so far I believe they can be overcome - ... Hope that helps in some way. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=426339#426339


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    Time: 08:55:50 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Seatbelt eyebolts.
    From: "taildrags" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
    Steve; the wooden disc that I used to transfer the front cockpit shoulder belt loads to the cabane X-bracing is purely my own idea of how to transfer the load more elegantly. I thought about just clipping onto the crossing point of the 1/8" cables, but that particular metal-on-metal connection didn't appeal to me. Nothing wrong with it, though. As you know, the secondary purpose of the wooden disc is to provide a rear sight for my Browning .50 machine gun. There is a sighting notch in the top of that disc, if you'll recall. Several times I've made strafing runs on the train that runs to Hondo from Castroville out of San Antonio, with devastating results to the train. One time, I overtook the train from behind (took a while), strafing it from caboose to engine, then pulled up into a duster turn and used up the remainder of my ammo strafing the train back the other way from engine to caboose. Never knew what hit 'em. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC &quot;Scout&quot; A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=426343#426343


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    Time: 09:10:41 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Fuel Float...Doesn't
    From: "taildrags" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
    Mike; 41CC has two corks butted together, inline, on the end of a brass float rod. I'm guessing that the rod is 1/8" but I don't have it here in front of me. These corks are much smaller than #30 that the Big Piets use but I don't know what size these are. Corky sealed them with T88, I believe, and they have sat in 100LL for years and years with no sign of waterlogging (fuel logging?) They don't exactly bob happily on the surface of the fuel, but that adds a little bit of dampening. Normal engine vibration in flight keeps the rod free in the cap and keeps the float indicating the fuel level as closely as necessary for flight. In short, it is neither sluggish and heavy, nor light and bouncy in the fuel. Like Goldilocks in Baby Bear's bed, "it's just right". -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC &quot;Scout&quot; A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=426344#426344


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    Time: 09:56:58 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: BFR
    From: "taildrags" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
    Steve: I had to chuckle. My first supervised solo was in a Cub that was probably very similar to the one you just took your flight review in. The location was Tims Airpark, near Pflugerville, north of Austin, when I was in college at UT. Probably 1971. The 40HP cub rented for $12/hour, wet. My instructor, Jack Cooper, didn't charge me for his instruction time because he was trying to build instructing hours so if I paid for the plane, he would give me dual. I soloed it at about 6 hours, so I paid less in rental for those 6 hours of dual than you did for one hour of Cub rental alone ;o) Old guys (and our memories) rule! ;o) do not archive -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC &quot;Scout&quot; A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=426345#426345




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