---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 07/11/14: 16 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:42 AM - Re: Brodhead 2014 (echobravo4) 2. 03:57 AM - Re: Brodhead 2014 (danhelsper@aol.com) 3. 04:29 AM - Re: Brodhead 2014 (Jack) 4. 04:45 AM - Re: a common place to undersell yourself---diagonal struts (womenfly2) 5. 04:50 AM - Re: Brodhead 2014 (woodflier) 6. 06:13 AM - Re: Re: Brodhead 2014 (dog67@aol.com) 7. 06:24 AM - diagonals (Douwe Blumberg) 8. 07:38 AM - Re: a common place to undersell yourself---diagonal struts (AircamperN11MS) 9. 08:19 AM - Re: Brodhead 2014 (PatrickW) 10. 10:36 AM - Re: Brodhead 2014 (john francis) 11. 03:40 PM - Re: Brodhead 2014 (Billy McCaskill) 12. 03:55 PM - Re: Re: Brodhead 2014 (Gary Boothe) 13. 04:13 PM - Re: Re: Brodhead 2014 (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]) 14. 05:14 PM - Re: Airventure Latex Paint Forums (womenfly2) 15. 07:19 PM - Re: Re: a common place to undersell yourself---diagonal struts (Ray Krause) 16. 07:30 PM - Re: a common place to undersell yourself---diagonal struts (AircamperN11MS) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:42:23 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Brodhead 2014 From: "echobravo4" That's great news! Katrina and I will be getting in Thursday afternoon and will be there 'till Sunday Looking forward to seeing everybody! -------- Earl Brown I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I intended to be. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=426480#426480 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:57:53 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead 2014 From: danhelsper@aol.com Shelley, Seeing that the G.Owen Loensloe machine is still held hostage over at Polar Grove, I only have to fly the grueling 32 miles to get over to Brodhead so metime on Thursday. Looking forward to seeing everyone! Dan Helsper Puryear, TN -----Original Message----- From: IT Girl Sent: Thu, Jul 10, 2014 8:26 pm Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead 2014 Hellooooo Good People! I have not been following the list very closely as of late, I have been a s uper busy Band Mom, but I got the weekend off and will be able to join my dear s weet husband at Brodhead this year! I am very excited, and am curious to know w ho i am going to get to see! We will arrive on Thursday (with a repeat offender at Brodhead) in tow, and will stay until Sunday. -------- Shelley Tumino IT Girl wife of "Axel" NX899KP DO NOT ARCHIVE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=426471#426471 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:29:04 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead 2014 From: Jack Shelley that is great news! We are planning a Thursday arrival and Saturday departure. Hope you can join us at 11:30 Friday for the annual Bratfest. Will provide details in another post. Everyone travel safe! Sent from my iPad Jack Textor > On Jul 10, 2014, at 8:25 PM, "IT Girl" wrote: > > > Hellooooo Good People! > > I have not been following the list very closely as of late, I have been a super busy Band Mom, but I got the weekend off and will be able to join my dear sweet husband at Brodhead this year! I am very excited, and am curious to know who i am going to get to see! > > We will arrive on Thursday (with a repeat offender at Brodhead) in tow, and will stay until Sunday. > > -------- > Shelley Tumino > IT Girl > wife of "Axel" > NX899KP > > DO NOT ARCHIVE > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=426471#426471 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 04:45:36 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: a common place to undersell yourself---diagonal struts From: "womenfly2" That is in a perfect impact with the wing moving forward and a compression load on the fuselage brace I assume? What happens when a twisting force is applied like a wing tip hitting first? The fuselage bracket will shear sideways and the wing plane will twist down in a helical vector. All I was saying is that you cannot reinforce one area thinking that is will mitigated all the forces. You need to look at the total system. I know from first hand experience when our Piet flipped over on her back, hard during a landing. We had heavy wall square diagonal braces with air-foiled shaped spruce epoxied over it and it was rigidly bolt at both ends. I know what damage was done, the ash motor support split, the firewall split down the middle, the shelf aft of the motor split, and the top of the diagonal bracket support where forced outward when the wing moved forward and took the weight of the plane plus the impact forces. Quite a lot of damage. So you need to do more the just strengthen up the diagonal brace. That was my point. BTW, no damage was done to the diagonal support braces, they were still in-tacked, just the support brackets they bolted to bent. I am all about being safe and sharing my opinions too. Cheers, WF2 -------- Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=426483#426483 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 04:50:01 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: RE: Brodhead 2014 From: woodflier Looks like I won't be making Brodhead this year. Long story short, my partn ers and I have been trying to sell another airplane for several years, We h ave a buyer but a lot of engine problems have turned up on the pre-buy and I'll probably be knee deep in engine or hopefully delivering the airplane. There's an outside posibllity of flying the Bellanca to the buyer in Kansas the week of Brodhead and driving in but all the stars, and the cylinder sh op will have to align. Matt Paxton NX629ML ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:13:40 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Brodhead 2014 From: dog67@aol.com Sounds good - look for yello glastar! -----Original Message----- From: IT Girl Sent: Thu, Jul 10, 2014 8:12 pm Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Brodhead 2014 John, I just got a new camera and was hoping to go up to get some great pic tures f Loensloe... among the other beautiful planes... so I will take you up on it. lease some see us in the cove on Thursday night before everything get so bu sy. -------- helley Tumino T Girl ife of "Axel" X899KP DO NOT ARCHIVE ead this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=426474#426474 -= - The Pietenpol-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List - -======================== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -======================== ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:24:12 AM PST US From: "Douwe Blumberg" Subject: Pietenpol-List: diagonals Hello all, My FAR less drastic experience with a sudden deceleration and nose-over demonstrated the need for stronger diagonals than I had at the time. While the plane was maybe going 25mpg on the ground, the wing still displaced about two inches forward upon deceleration. My hard fuel lines actually held (with ace hardware compression fittings, thank you very much) except for a little leak. Nothing was damaged on the engine mount whatsoever, yet a bit more displacement and my fuel lines would have been torn and fuel would be spilling out. I now have very strong diagonals and the top portion of each line going to the tank is flexible. I am sure there is a point at which the engine mount will "tear out" of the longeron, but I'll bet that there are many incidents short of that occurance which would dangerously displace the wing if the diagonals are too puny. AND. what do we possibly lose by beefing them up??? A few ounces??? This is NOT the place to be saving weight!! Douwe ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:38:31 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: a common place to undersell yourself---diagonal struts From: "AircamperN11MS" Ray, It sounds to me like Gary gave you great direction. The 1/4 inch firewall will be strong. Please keep moving forward. I can't wait to see it next June. :) WF2, Thanks for your input too. This is a great sounding board and everyone's thoughts and comments very much appreciated. Because of this website, we have a lot of great, safe and beautiful Piets being built by some very talented folks. We have a lot of very smart people on this board. Including you. Keep on building, -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=426496#426496 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:19:07 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Brodhead 2014 From: "PatrickW" I plan on flying down on Thursday, weather permitting. Patrick Hoyt N63PZ - CH601/Corvair Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=426497#426497 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:36:36 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Brodhead 2014 From: "john francis" I plan to arrive sometime Thursday afternoon with my travel trailer. Will stay until Sunday morning. -------- John Francis Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=426504#426504 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 03:40:56 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Brodhead 2014 From: "Billy McCaskill" Sadly, I am not able to make it this year due to some ongoing health issues that I'm trying to get resolved. There is a bit of good news in this, the money I had set aside for the trip to Brodhead will be used to buy some spruce so that I can resume building my Piet after a 3+ year interruption due to moving twice. Hopefully I will make the journey next year! -------- Billy McCaskill Baker, LA tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=426510#426510 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 03:55:55 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Brodhead 2014 From: Gary Boothe Billy, Stay home. Be well. Build airplanes. Gary Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 11, 2014, at 3:40 PM, "Billy McCaskill" wrote: > > > Sadly, I am not able to make it this year due to some ongoing health issues that I'm trying to get resolved. There is a bit of good news in this, the money I had set aside for the trip to Brodhead will be used to buy some spruce so that I can resume building my Piet after a 3+ year interruption due to moving twice. > > Hopefully I will make the journey next year! > > -------- > Billy McCaskill > Baker, LA > tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=426510#426510 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 04:13:54 PM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Brodhead 2014 I have an offer to coach the Swedish Bikini Volleyball team this summer so I'll be missing Brodhead as well. Carry on good people! Mike C. Ohio ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 05:14:13 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Airventure Latex Paint Forums From: "womenfly2" I do hope your forum is on a Webinar or on YouTube. I so enjoy the last one and looking forward to your next with even more great information on using latex house paints. Thanks for doing this education topic. WF2 -------- Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=426515#426515 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 07:19:48 PM PST US From: Ray Krause Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: a common place to undersell yourself---diagonal struts Thanks, Scott. I have hopes of getting covered this fall. Who knows, I could be to the fly in next year! I do not know WF2, Women Who Fly; or do I? Sure appreciate your comments, you have a lot of good advise. Thanks, Ray Krause Sent from my iPad > On Jul 11, 2014, at 7:38 AM, "AircamperN11MS" wrote: > > > Ray, > > It sounds to me like Gary gave you great direction. The 1/4 inch firewall will be strong. Please keep moving forward. I can't wait to see it next June. :) > > WF2, > > Thanks for your input too. This is a great sounding board and everyone's thoughts and comments very much appreciated. Because of this website, we have a lot of great, safe and beautiful Piets being built by some very talented folks. We have a lot of very smart people on this board. Including you. > > Keep on building, > > -------- > Scott Liefeld > Flying N11MS since March 1972 > Steel Tube > C-85-12 > Wire Wheels > Brodhead in 1996 > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=426496#426496 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 07:30:02 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: a common place to undersell yourself---diagonal struts From: "AircamperN11MS" Ray WF2 has left some thoughts to consider too. I have not met WF2 either but I sure love looking at their Piet pics. It's just got a good look. I hope to see it someday. Thanks for the nice words, -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=426522#426522 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.