Today's Message Index:
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1. 03:17 AM - Re: No Content (danhelsper@aol.com)
2. 03:25 AM - Re: No Content (Jack)
3. 03:34 AM - Re: No Content (Jack)
4. 04:35 AM - Re: No Content (Gary Boothe)
5. 05:03 AM - Re: No Content (echobravo4)
6. 09:58 AM - Re: latex (at7000ft)
7. 10:03 AM - Re: Corvair College (wheelharp)
8. 10:43 AM - Re: Corvair College (William Wynne)
9. 11:04 AM - ordering wood (Pocono John)
10. 11:13 AM - Re: Corvair College (Pocono John)
11. 11:54 AM - Re: ordering wood (Bill Church)
12. 04:01 PM - Re: ordering wood (Bill Church)
13. 04:17 PM - Rib Dimensions Drawing (Pocono John)
14. 04:30 PM - Re: ordering wood (Pocono John)
15. 07:29 PM - Re: No Content (Clif Dawson)
16. 10:30 PM - Re: Brodhead rigging project - 2014 (DonkDoug)
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And I can't see ANY of my own posts. Somebody please reply to this so I can
see if it went through.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net>
Sent: Wed, Jul 16, 2014 10:01 pm
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: No Content
I use comcast...no apparent problem.
Gary
Sent from my iPhone
On Jul 16, 2014, at 7:37 PM, gliderx5@comcast.net wrote:
Jack and Matt,
Whenever I attach something to an email it wipes out the content. It does n
ot seem to matter what size the attachment is. In my case I suspect Comcast
and the Xfinity email interface, but they are an easy target!
Malcolm Morrison
wienerdogaero.com
From: jack@textors.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2014 9:27:05 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: No Content
Many of messages come through empty. Matt any tho -Matt Dra
lle, List =========
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Message came through Dan
Sent from my iPad
Jack Textor
> On Jul 17, 2014, at 5:16 AM, danhelsper@aol.com wrote:
>
> And I can't see ANY of my own posts. Somebody please reply to this so I ca
n see if it went through.
>
> Dan Helsper
> Puryear, TN
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net>
> To: pietenpol-list <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Wed, Jul 16, 2014 10:01 pm
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: No Content
>
> I use comcast...no apparent problem.
>
> Gary
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 16, 2014, at 7:37 PM, gliderx5@comcast.net wrote:
>
>> Jack and Matt,
>>
>> Whenever I attach something to an email it wipes out the content. It does
not seem to matter what size the attachment is. In my case I suspect Comcas
t and the Xfinity email interface, but they are an easy target!
>>
>> Malcolm Morrison
>> wienerdogaero.com
>>
>> From: jack@textors.com
>> To: "Pietenpol" <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2014 9:27:05 PM
>> Subject: Pietenpol-List: No Content
>>
>>
>> Many of messages come through empty. Matt any tho -Matt D
ralle, List =========
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Gary's had no content
Sent from my iPad
Jack Textor
> On Jul 17, 2014, at 5:25 AM, Jack <jack@textors.com> wrote:
>
> Message came through Dan
>
> Sent from my iPad
> Jack Textor
>
>> On Jul 17, 2014, at 5:16 AM, danhelsper@aol.com wrote:
>>
>> And I can't see ANY of my own posts. Somebody please reply to this so I c
an see if it went through.
>>
>> Dan Helsper
>> Puryear, TN
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net>
>> To: pietenpol-list <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Wed, Jul 16, 2014 10:01 pm
>> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: No Content
>>
>> I use comcast...no apparent problem.
>>
>> Gary
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jul 16, 2014, at 7:37 PM, gliderx5@comcast.net wrote:
>>
>>> Jack and Matt,
>>>
>>> Whenever I attach something to an email it wipes out the content. It doe
s not seem to matter what size the attachment is. In my case I suspect Comca
st and the Xfinity email interface, but they are an easy target!
>>>
>>> Malcolm Morrison
>>> wienerdogaero.com
>>>
>>> From: jack@textors.com
>>> To: "Pietenpol" <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2014 9:27:05 PM
>>> Subject: Pietenpol-List: No Content
>>>
>>>
>>> Many of messages come through empty. Matt any tho -Matt D
ralle, List =========
>>>
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Here=99s some content
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2014 3:34 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: No Content
Gary's had no content
Sent from my iPad
Jack Textor
On Jul 17, 2014, at 5:25 AM, Jack <jack@textors.com> wrote:
Message came through Dan
Sent from my iPad
Jack Textor
On Jul 17, 2014, at 5:16 AM, danhelsper@aol.com wrote:
And I can't see ANY of my own posts. Somebody please reply to this so I
can see if it went through.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net>
Sent: Wed, Jul 16, 2014 10:01 pm
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: No Content
I use comcast...no apparent problem.
Gary
Sent from my iPhone
On Jul 16, 2014, at 7:37 PM, gliderx5@comcast.net wrote:
Jack and Matt,
Whenever I attach something to an email it wipes out the content. It
does not seem to matter what size the attachment is. In my case I
suspect Comcast and the Xfinity email interface, but they are an easy
target!
Malcolm Morrison
wienerdogaero.com
_____
From: jack@textors.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2014 9:27:05 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: No Content
Many of messages come through empty. Matt any tho -Matt
Dralle, List =========
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That came thru Gary
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Earl Brown
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I
intended to be.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=426825#426825
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Attached pictures of my wing hangers. 4 8' 2x4, 4 5" bolts and nuts, some scrap
1/4" ply for gussets, 8 1" .090 strips with a 1" 3/16 rod welded upright, and
8 castors. Holds a single wing for painting and drying and both wings for storage.
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Rick Holland
NX6819Z
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=426841#426841
Attachments:
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| Subject: | Re: Corvair College |
Thanks for replies, everyone. I'm signed up, and did a search of WW website to
try and find what to bring for tear down, but couldn't find anything. Not to say
there is nothing there, I just couldn't find it. I know you would probably
want to bring the obvious--- wrenches, socket set, screwdrivers, etc...but I wanted
to make sure I don't need any special pullers or anything. Are there plenty
of workbenches? I could bring my own if they are in short supply.
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Jon Jones
Ironton, MO
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=426842#426842
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| Subject: | Re: Corvair College |
Jon,
Here is the main college page with links to almost all questions:
http://flycorvair.net/2014/01/31/corvair-college-reference-page/
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Here are examples of what builders learn:
http://flycorvair.net/2012/11/06/basic-corvair-college-skills-examples-of-learning/
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Things you need to run an engine at a college part 1:
http://flycorvair.net/2012/10/04/running-an-engine-at-a-college-required-items/
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Part 2:
http://flycorvair.net/2013/01/23/running-an-engine-at-a-college-required-items-2/
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Here are photo links to all colleges, if you read the captions on colleges like
#19, 21, 22, 24, 28, 29 you can get a good idea of the prep work that will benefit
you.
http://flycorvair.net/2013/12/29/corvair-college-history-in-photos/
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John Franklin Piet engine running at #22 (Kevin and Shelley's place in TX)
http://flycorvair.net/2012/03/20/franklin-engine-runs-at-cc-22-kgtu-spring-break-2012/
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You can look at CC#21 and See Bob Dewenter's Piet engine running. In all the links are plenty of photos of guys building Piet engines, many of which are flying today. The Bell's Piet engine is in the #7 photos, Randy Bush's 500 flight hour engine is getting it's test run in the #19 photos. You can even see Doc Moshers pictures at Corvair College #1. If you are a piet builder, Consider #31 also, as this will be the 5th year we will be with PF Beck and Crew in Barnwell in November. This is the end of the year event where we award the Cherry Grove Trophy: http://flycorvair.net/2013/01/18/the-cherry-grove-trophy/
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Sign up information:
http://flycorvair.net/2014/06/19/corvair-college-30-and-31-sign-up-now-open/
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=426844#426844
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(I tried a search, but no help). I want to order enough wood to get me through
ribs and the tail section. I have a material list from Robert McKinley (revised
by Mark Chouinard) from a few years ago.
When I add up the ribs (I want enough to build 30 ribs to allow for damage, etc),
I get a total of 95 pieces at 5 ft (I plan on the one piece wing, which I'll
build in a hanger). The list has 110 pieces. I'm including all the sticks that
support the rib. Am I off (I plan on 60 pieces of 5' for capstrips, 35 pieces
of 5' for the internal stickstotal 475')?
I tried to measure the upper capstrip to factor in the shape/curve, but it still
seems a 5 foot length will work. Will 5' be long enough?
I already have a 8X4 piece of 3 ply mahogany, 1/16". I'll use it for rib gussets.
Regarding the tail section, the materials list mentions 1X1 pieces, but I don't
see 1X1 on the plans. Where are they?
Anything else I should consider?
Thank you.
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| Subject: | Re: Corvair College |
I've had two Corvair's in my garage for a few years. I'm now about to begin disassembly.
I'd like to attend the college, but I won't have my work schedule until
August 18. Here's a few photos of my engines. One is from a Corvair Club member
(he had several engines in specially built sheds), and I'm going to start
with that one. Here's my photo page (click on photos for larger images and size
options are on the very bottom):
http://imageevent.com/hatz/piet/corvair
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| Subject: | Re: ordering wood |
John,
The 1" x 1" pieces are for the "Main Beams".
These are the pieces that the hinges get attached to.
As shown in ... the plans.
(see attachment)
Bill C.
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| Subject: | Re: ordering wood |
One more thing.
Any plywood you use for structural components (gussets, etc.) should be either
Aircraft Plywood or Marine Plywood. The glues used to make the plywood need to
be waterproof.
Bill C.
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| Subject: | Rib Dimensions Drawing |
I attempted to draw the rib based on the measurements shown on the drawing. While
it looks like the full size drawing, I can't get the two to line up. Right
off the bat, the drawing is 60.125 (when adding all the lengths); a tad longer
than the 60" published chord. Maybe the depicted measurements are off?
If I use the full size drawing (assuming it's correct), it seems I'll have to move
each spar a slight bit to achieve the depicted spacing. Having said that,
I heard once that Piper allowed up to a 1/4" of slop, so maybe I shouldn't worry
about it.
How much deviation is acceptable? 1/4" OK?
I'm thinking about which way to go:
-use the full size drawing as is.
-use the full size drawing and move spars 1/16" each to achieve proper space.
-use the layout I drew based on the dimensions on the drawing.
On the subject of measurements, I've seen that all rulers are off a bit (I measured
all my rulers). I try to use the same ruler consistently.
Thank you.
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| Subject: | Re: ordering wood |
Thank you Bill; good point to mention there about plywood. Everything I have is
from Wicks or Aircraft Spruce. I have a large supply of T-88. I hate asking questions,
but sometimes I can't help myself. That 1X1 got by me. Thanks again.
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I haven't had my own for some time. What I found
was, and is, that they are not being transfered
from the sent file. I just read them in there if I
need too. It just happened one day a while back.
One day there in my inbox, the next not. I wonder
if it's my provider trying to streamline things. And
now yours too.
Neferous ba... oops!
Clif
Hanlon's Razor - "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately
explained by stupidity."
And I can't see ANY of my own posts. Somebody please reply to this so
I can see if it went through.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
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| Subject: | Re: Brodhead rigging project - 2014 |
Paul, Mike and any other Riblett builders out there,
So in calculating incidence angles for the Riblett airfoil to this point I had
a nagging suspicion that something was being left out. After getting out my old
textbooks tonight I discovered I was right.
Determining the lift coefficient required at cruise from aircraft operating weight,
speed and air density is correct but to determine the incidence angle that
should be set for cruising speeds the aspect ratio of the wing and the angle
of attack at which zero lift is created must also be factored in. Doing so I
found that for the operating weight of 1150 lbs. that we have been using and
a speed of 75 mph on a Standard Day both the Riblett 30-612 and 30-613.5 should
have an incidence angle set at about 3 degrees positive. That works out to
the front cabane being longer than the rear.
For those of you that have built your plane with equal length cabanes this length
would be appropriate for a cruising speed coefficient of lift of about .46.
One would see that cruise speed lift coefficient at lighter operating weights,
cooler than Standard Day temperatures, lower altitudes, higher speeds and combinations
of these conditions.
For those with front cabanes one inch longer than the rear the resulting incidence
would be appropriate for conditions that produce a cruising speed lift coefficient
of about .62. This would be appropriate for heavier operating weights,
slower speeds, hotter days, higher altitudes, less dense air and combinations
of these variables.
I apologize for any confusion I may have created with my earlier posts.
Doug Wright
Stillwater, OK
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