---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 07/20/14: 9 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:53 AM - Re: Re: wings and cabanes-----one simple question (Charles N. Campbell) 2. 05:59 AM - Re: Re: wings and cabanes-----one simple question (Charles N. Campbell) 3. 07:02 AM - Re: Re: wings and cabanes-----one simple question (Gary Boothe) 4. 07:35 AM - Re: wings and cabanes-----one simple question (AircamperN11MS) 5. 07:55 AM - Comparission test resilts from last year (Barnwell Regional Airport) 6. 08:51 AM - Re: Re: wings and cabanes-----one simple question (jim hyde) 7. 08:04 PM - Re: FBG 2.0 (IT Girl) 8. 08:06 PM - Re: Brodhead 2014 (IT Girl) 9. 09:39 PM - Re: Re: Brodhead 2014 (Boatright, Jeffrey) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:53:57 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: wings and cabanes-----one simple question From: "Charles N. Campbell" An A&P (and small aircraft builder) friend of mine just suggested to put a Piper wing strut adjuster in the top end of each of the cabane struts so you can adjust them after each test flight to get the incidence you want without any guessing. Any comments? I guess he just nixed the use of wood cabane struts I was planning on using. I don't know how I would put an adjustable fork in the end of a piece of wood. Chuck On Sat, Jul 19, 2014 at 7:41 PM, AircamperN11MS wrote: > Scott.liefeld@lacity.org> > > Mike told me he is on his way to Brodhead in her s flybaby. He is stuck in > AZ with a bad mag. He should be in the air again on Monday. He said he we > check the lengths when he gets home. > > -------- > Scott Liefeld > Flying N11MS since March 1972 > Steel Tube > C-85-12 > Wire Wheels > Brodhead in 1996 > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=426967#426967 > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:59:34 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: wings and cabanes-----one simple question From: "Charles N. Campbell" I think I read a post that said the "Last Original" Aircamper is based at Brodhead. If so, call someone up there and have them measure the lengths of the cabane struts on it. That would probably solve the question. Chuck On Fri, Jul 18, 2014 at 2:08 PM, jarheadpilot82 wrote: > jarheadpilot82@hotmail.com> > > Mike, > > If you are looking for a simple answer, here goes- > > The plans were the earlier iteration of an evolving design. That is why > BHP kept building them and trying other automotive engines, for example. > The simple answer would be to look at "The Last Original", not the first. I > think that is where you will see the culmination of the design. > > Just a thought. > > -------- > Semper Fi, > > Terry Hand > Athens, GA > > USMC, USMCR, ATP > BVD DVD PDQ BBQ > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=426896#426896 > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:02:19 AM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: wings and cabanes-----one simple question Charles, You would also have to change the x-wires at the cabanes, the wing struts and their drag/anti-drag wires, and the slanted cabanes, all because someone who has never built a Pietenpol thought to impress you with his =98better=99 idea. Stick to the plans. Mr. Pietenpol has already figured all that stuff out for you. By the way, my wood / non-adjustable cabanes work just fine. In fact, I cannot think of one Pietenpol with adjustable cabanes Gary Boothe NX308MB From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charles N. Campbell Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2014 5:53 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: wings and cabanes-----one simple question An A&P (and small aircraft builder) friend of mine just suggested to put a Piper wing strut adjuster in the top end of each of the cabane struts so you can adjust them after each test flight to get the incidence you want without any guessing. Any comments? I guess he just nixed the use of wood cabane struts I was planning on using. I don't know how I would put an adjustable fork in the end of a piece of wood. Chuck On Sat, Jul 19, 2014 at 7:41 PM, AircamperN11MS wrote: Mike told me he is on his way to Brodhead in her s flybaby. He is stuck in AZ with a bad mag. He should be in the air again on Monday. He said he we check the lengths when he gets home. -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=426967#426967 br> -List" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List MS - k">http://forums.matronics.com e - -Matt Dralle, List Admin. t="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:35:13 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: wings and cabanes-----one simple question From: "AircamperN11MS" Hey guys, The topic this time was the length of the cabanes on a GN-1. Not the Pietenpol. The GN-1 is very different. Larger spars and different airfoil resulting in different cabane lengths. Sorry for the confusion. Mike Madrid and my dad both have GN-1's. Hence asking them. -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=427007#427007 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:55:49 AM PST US From: "Barnwell Regional Airport" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Comparission test resilts from last year Piet Builders, Recently, there have been many comments regarding the supposed correct angle of attack on the Pietenpol versus the Riblet 612 airfoil . As far as I know, no one else has actually compared the two airfoils side by side with almost identical planes, engines, props, and produced any useful information. Will either airfoil perform better by changing the wing angle of attack from what it is now on our planes. I honestly can't say. I have about 300 hrs on my plane now and Don has about 70 hrs on his. Neither Don or I plan to change our wings fron what we have now. Accept the Pietenpol for what it is....a low and slow fun to fly airplane. I get the most enjoyment in taking people for their first ride in an open cockpit, homebuilt, wooden, 1929 vintage, corvair powered low and slow airplane. When you see the big smile on their face after they get out, it's all worthwhile. For those who may have come on the Piet forum since the article in the Piet newsletter last year or did not attend my forum at Brodhead last year, I'm attaching the first comparission test for those who might care to read it. We have conducted some more testing and plan to share what we have learned at a later date. Sorry I won't be at Brodhead this year, will miss seeing everyone. P. F. Beck Hosting Corvair College # 31 November 7,8 & 9 at Barnwell, S. C. ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:51:10 AM PST US From: jim hyde Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: wings and cabanes-----one simple question mine are 23 3/8 front--- back 22- 22 3/8---- my friends is 191/2 front- -and back with a 90hp franklin mine 65 cont- his flys tr ue and fast... mine is in the cover process =0A=0A=0AOn Sunday, July 20, 20 14 9:41 AM, AircamperN11MS wrote:=0A =0A=0A=0A- .org>=0A=0AHey guys,=0AThe topic this time was the length of the cabanes on a GN-1. Not the Pietenpol.- The GN-1 is very different. Larger spars and different airfoil resulting in different cabane lengths. Sorry for the con fusion. Mike Madrid and my dad both have GN-1's. Hence asking them.=0A=0A-- ------=0AScott Liefeld=0AFlying N11MS since March 1972=0ASteel Tube=0AC-85- 12=0AWire Wheels=0ABrodhead in 1996=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online he re:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=427007#427007=0A=0A =========================0A ====================== ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:04:09 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: FBG 2.0 From: "IT Girl" I'm crossing my fingers for good weather! -------- Shelley Tumino IT Girl wife of "Axel" NX899KP DO NOT ARCHIVE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=427025#427025 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:06:02 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Brodhead 2014 From: "IT Girl" 3 days and a wake up till we head to WI.... I can't wait to see you all. -------- Shelley Tumino IT Girl wife of "Axel" NX899KP DO NOT ARCHIVE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=427029#427029 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:39:43 PM PST US From: "Boatright, Jeffrey" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Brodhead 2014 Man, wish I was going! Send photos/movies to those whut ain't livin' right. Jeffrey H. Boatright, PhD, FARVO Professor of Ophthalmology Emory University School of Medicine Sent from an iPad with a spelling problem > On Jul 20, 2014, at 11:07 PM, "IT Girl" wrote: > > > 3 days and a wake up till we head to WI.... I can't wait to see you all. > > -------- > Shelley Tumino > IT Girl > wife of "Axel" > NX899KP > > DO NOT ARCHIVE > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=427029#427029 > > ________________________________ This e-mail message (including any attachments) is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this message (including any attachments) is strictly prohibited. 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