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1. 05:55 AM - Re: Riblett vs. Pietenpol wing cabane strut length: the math has already been done for you (Michael Perez)
2. 05:59 AM - Re: Re: Aluminum Wing Strut/Jury Strut Attachment (Michael Perez)
3. 06:14 AM - Re: (No) Tail Weight & Balance (Michael Perez)
4. 08:29 AM - Re: One good mistake deserves another - arghhhh...! (aerocarjake)
5. 09:01 AM - Re: Re: One good mistake deserves another - arghhhh...! (Steven Dortch)
6. 09:16 AM - Steve Williamson California-to-Wisconsin trip cut short by engine trouble (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Partners, LLC])
7. 09:21 AM - Re: Steve Williamson California-to-Wisconsin trip cut short by engine trouble (H. Marvin Haught Jr.)
8. 09:29 AM - Re: Steve Williamson California-to-Wisconsin trip cut short by engine trouble (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Partners, LLC])
9. 09:55 AM - Re: Steve Williamson California-to-Wisconsin trip cut short b (AircamperN11MS)
10. 11:49 AM - Re: Re: One good mistake deserves another - arghhhh...! (Gene Rambo)
11. 12:28 PM - Re: Rib Dimensions Drawing (Pocono John)
12. 06:52 PM - Re: Riblett vs. Pietenpol wing cabane strut length: the math has already been done for you (Dan Yocum)
13. 09:13 PM - Re: Steve Williamson California-to-Wisconsin trip cut short b (William Wynne)
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| Subject: | Re: Riblett vs. Pietenpol wing cabane strut length: the |
math has already been done for you
Hello Dan. I see/hear what you are saying.- However, my cabane adjustment
, if I make it, would be to lower the rear two. Considering that my wings a
re currently level, or maybe slightly "sagging", (no adjustments/tweaking h
ave been made as of yet) and only the back cabanes would be lowered, (11/16
") if nothing else, I'll have some dihedral and/ or washout. Since I have a
llowed room for adjustment on various components for rigging/squaring, etc.
I believe if I did change the rear cabanes, it would be a non event.=0A=0A
If God is your co-pilot, switch seats=0AMike Perez=0AKaretaker Aero=0AFirst
engine start complete!
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| Subject: | Re: Aluminum Wing Strut/Jury Strut Attachment |
Clif, I understand. I was trying to agree with you, I guess I just muddied
up the reply. =0A=0A-=0AIf God is your co-pilot, switch seats=0AMike Pere
z=0AKaretaker Aero=0AFirst engine start complete!
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| Subject: | Re: (No) Tail Weight & Balance |
I thought I sent this reply yesterday, I guess not. So, here it is:=0A=0A
=0ALast night I drained all the fuel out of my nose tank. According to the
airfield fuel pump I used, I put 5.6 gallons into my gas can. I eventually
emptied this gas can into my fuel tank.- I then proceeded to run my engin
e for about 2 min.- I =0Afigure the fuel I drained last night was 5 gallo
ns. With this 30 pounds =0Aout of the nose area, the tail sits nicely on it
's own, no need to strap it down and the longerons are level.- Simple ove
rsight on my part. I am =0Anot going to guess as to how much weight will sh
ow on the scale at the =0Atail wheel, but I'll know for sure once I get the
scales that I =0Amentioned earlier.=0A=0A=0AAs for the weight and balance
of my aircraft, I can do and plan to do the W&B myself. Granted it has been
a long time since I have done one, however, I have the resources =0Aand sk
ill to do my own, in the various configurations, with my own real =0Aworld
weights, arms, etc.- The no weight/negative tail weight threw me =0Afor a
loop, so I asked the list what gives. As noted above, this is no =0Alonger
an issue.=0A-=0AIf God is your co-pilot, switch seats=0AMike Perez=0AKar
etaker Aero=0AFirst engine start complete!
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| Subject: | Re: One good mistake deserves another - arghhhh...! |
Some data: The spars were 12 1/2 pounds each - before routing - and 8 1/2 pounds
afterwords.... FOUR pounds lighter EACH spar. Since I routed "too deep" I
figure to save perhaps THREE pounds per spar with the final ones.
Yes, I considered what repairs I could do to salvage the spars, but in the end
decided to simply "do what's right" and make new good ones.
If anyone wants to stop by Seattle for some free "cap strip or fuselage" raw material,
they are more than welcome to them. (I have a welded steel fuselage and
the rest of the wings are essentially complete so using them as hangar/wall
art is my current best option...!)
In the end I got a REALLY nice new router out of this whole experience. It's MUCH
quieter and variable speed... :-)
--------
Jake Schultz - curator,
Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=427282#427282
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| Subject: | Re: One good mistake deserves another - arghhhh...! |
Jake, I recently ordered the bargan bag of spruce from Aircraft Spruce. It
is basically ends and pieces left over.
You have started your own, cutting out the middle man.
Steve D
On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 10:29 AM, aerocarjake <flight.jake@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
>
> Some data: The spars were 12 1/2 pounds each - before routing - and 8
> 1/2 pounds afterwords.... FOUR pounds lighter EACH spar. Since I routed
> "too deep" I figure to save perhaps THREE pounds per spar with the final
> ones.
>
> Yes, I considered what repairs I could do to salvage the spars, but in the
> end decided to simply "do what's right" and make new good ones.
>
> If anyone wants to stop by Seattle for some free "cap strip or fuselage"
> raw material, they are more than welcome to them. (I have a welded steel
> fuselage and the rest of the wings are essentially complete so using them
> as hangar/wall art is my current best option...!)
>
> In the end I got a REALLY nice new router out of this whole experience.
> It's MUCH quieter and variable speed... :-)
>
> --------
> Jake Schultz - curator,
> Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=427282#427282
>
>
--
Blue Skies,
Steve D
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| Subject: | Steve Williamson California-to-Wisconsin trip cut short |
by engine trouble
Of possible interest---Sadly, the wonderful Corvair powered Pietenpol that
Steve Williamson and his EAA Chapter built was damaged enroute to
Wisconsin following engine trouble. http://flycorvair.net/2013/01/08
/new-pietenpol-eaa-1279-french-valley-ca/
Mike C.
Ohio
Dear Friends,
Peter Griffiths and I began our cross-country adventure with high hopes of
showing off our chapter airplane at Brodhead and Oshkosh, and very much loo
ked forward to flying our airplane off of a grass strip at the spiritual ho
me of the Pietenpol Air Camper. Sadly, the Piet was only able to make it a
s far as Guymon, Oklahoma. Peter began experiencing engine trouble on the f
light from Tucumcari, New Mexico to Guymon. Peter kept the airplane flying
as far as Guymon, but the airplane was damaged on landing making it imposs
ible for the airplane to continue any further. The decision was made to le
ave the airplane at Guymon and continue on with our plans to attend the gat
hering at Brodhead and Oshkosh traveling by car. We will pick up the airpl
ane on the return trip and bring it home via U-Haul truck or trailer.
The airplane flew more than 1,200 miles over three days. We were having a
great time, getting some great pictures, and meeting some great people. Pe
ter and I are taking the disappointment in stride and continuing to enjoy t
he experience of a lifetime.
We will have a little work to do when we return, but the airplane will be f
lying again soon. Thank you to all who have taken an interest in following
our adventure via email or Facebook. And thanks to those who offered thei
r encouragement as we began this exciting adventure.
See you all when we return.
Steve Williamson, Pres.
EAA Chapter 1279
French Valley
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| Subject: | Re: Steve Williamson California-to-Wisconsin trip cut |
short by engine trouble
Mike, do you know the nature of the engine problem?
M. Haught
On 7/24/2014 11:15 AM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]
wrote:
>
> Of possible interest---Sadly, the wonderful Corvair powered Pietenpol
> that Steve Williamson and his EAA Chapter built was damaged enroute to
>
> Wisconsin following engine trouble.
> http://flycorvair.net/2013/01/08/new-pietenpol-eaa-1279-french-valley-ca/
>
> Mike C.
>
> Ohio
>
> /Dear Friends,/
>
> //
>
> /Peter Griffiths and I began our cross-country adventure with high
> hopes of showing off our chapter airplane at Brodhead and Oshkosh, and
> very much looked forward to flying our airplane off of a grass strip
> at the spiritual home of the Pietenpol Air Camper. Sadly, the Piet was
> only able to make it as far as Guymon, Oklahoma. Peter began
> experiencing engine trouble on the flight from Tucumcari, New Mexico
> to Guymon. Peter kept the airplane flying as far as Guymon, but the
> airplane was damaged on landing making it impossible for the airplane
> to continue any further. The decision was made to leave the airplane
> at Guymon and continue on with our plans to attend the gathering at
> Brodhead and Oshkosh traveling by car. We will pick up the airplane
> on the return trip and bring it home via U-Haul truck or trailer./
>
> //
>
> /The airplane flew more than 1,200 miles over three days. We were
> having a great time, getting some great pictures, and meeting some
> great people. Peter and I are taking the disappointment in stride and
> continuing to enjoy the experience of a lifetime. /
>
> //
>
> /We will have a little work to do when we return, but the airplane
> will be flying again soon. Thank you to all who have taken an
> interest in following our adventure via email or Facebook. And thanks
> to those who offered their encouragement as we began this exciting
> adventure./
>
> //
>
> /See you all when we return./
>
> //
>
> /Steve Williamson, Pres./
>
> /EAA Chapter 1279/
>
> /French Valley/
>
> //
>
> //
>
> *
>
>
> *
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| Subject: | Steve Williamson California-to-Wisconsin trip cut |
short by engine trouble
Marv-what you see below is as much info as I have on Steve's airplane and w
hat all happened. I'm sure in time he'll let us know what's happened.
I have been following Steve
and Peter along on their Facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/profile
.php?id=100007482977341&fref=ts
Dear Friends,
Peter Griffiths and I began our cross-country adventure with high hopes of
showing off our chapter airplane at Brodhead and Oshkosh, and very much loo
ked forward to flying our airplane off of a grass strip at the spiritual ho
me of the Pietenpol Air Camper. Sadly, the Piet was only able to make it a
s far as Guymon, Oklahoma. Peter began experiencing engine trouble on the f
light from Tucumcari, New Mexico to Guymon. Peter kept the airplane flying
as far as Guymon, but the airplane was damaged on landing making it imposs
ible for the airplane to continue any further. The decision was made to le
ave the airplane at Guymon and continue on with our plans to attend the gat
hering at Brodhead and Oshkosh traveling by car. We will pick up the airpl
ane on the return trip and bring it home via U-Haul truck or trailer.
The airplane flew more than 1,200 miles over three days. We were having a
great time, getting some great pictures, and meeting some great people. Pe
ter and I are taking the disappointment in stride and continuing to enjoy t
he experience of a lifetime.
We will have a little work to do when we return, but the airplane will be f
lying again soon. Thank you to all who have taken an interest in following
our adventure via email or Facebook. And thanks to those who offered thei
r encouragement as we began this exciting adventure.
See you all when we return.
Steve Williamson, Pres.
EAA Chapter 1279
French Valley
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| Subject: | Re: Steve Williamson California-to-Wisconsin trip cut |
short b
I'm sure Steve and Peter will tell their story at Brodhead. Otherwise I think
they would have just loaded up and went home. Please give them the space and
time to talk about it without being provoked. We all hate it when our planes
disagree with our personal agendas.
Respectfully Requested,
--------
Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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| Subject: | Re: One good mistake deserves another - arghhhh...! |
I can relate. When I routed my spars, after I finished I discovered that despite
measuring a hundred times, I had left the "unrouted" areas where the struts
attach in the wrong areas. I went ahead and routed the entire spar (except center
section, of course) and made inserts that matched the curve of the routed
edge and fit exactly into the spar. I glued them into the proper locations,
you can't tell the difference and just as strong.
Oops....
Gene
On Jul 24, 2014, at 10:29 AM, "aerocarjake" <flight.jake@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Some data: The spars were 12 1/2 pounds each - before routing - and 8 1/2 pounds
afterwords.... FOUR pounds lighter EACH spar. Since I routed "too deep"
I figure to save perhaps THREE pounds per spar with the final ones.
>
> Yes, I considered what repairs I could do to salvage the spars, but in the end
decided to simply "do what's right" and make new good ones.
>
> If anyone wants to stop by Seattle for some free "cap strip or fuselage" raw
material, they are more than welcome to them. (I have a welded steel fuselage
and the rest of the wings are essentially complete so using them as hangar/wall
art is my current best option...!)
>
> In the end I got a REALLY nice new router out of this whole experience. It's
MUCH quieter and variable speed... :-)
>
> --------
> Jake Schultz - curator,
> Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=427282#427282
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Rib Dimensions Drawing |
JSeitz wrote:
> I have the same situation. The response I got on the Facebook group was to not
worry about it. The rudder versus the vertical fin + fuselage is also a bit
off (I want to say half an inch iirc). I used the listed dimensions and then took
the extra 1/8 inch off the back. The place I am still slightly contemplative
is the nose of the rib (I plan on further editing). What did you do for your
nose on the drawing?
I've been away, so I have not tackled the nose yet. To add to Earl's comment about
handrails, I had taken my Hatz Classic leading edge profile to Lowe's and
found a railing that was almost an exact match.certainly close enough I could
use it.
--------
John
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| Subject: | Re: Riblett vs. Pietenpol wing cabane strut length: the |
math has already been done for you
Ah, well, then you'll have about 1.5" of play to take *out* of the rear lift
strut fork and 11/16" out of the aileron cable turnbuckles. Still not a sm
all amount IMO.
--
Dan Yocum
yocum137@gmail.com
On Jul 24, 2014, at 7:55 AM, Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> Hello Dan. I see/hear what you are saying. However, my cabane adjustment,
if I make it, would be to lower the rear two. Considering that my wings are
currently level, or maybe slightly "sagging", (no adjustments/tweaking have
been made as of yet) and only the back cabanes would be lowered, (11/16") i
f nothing else, I'll have some dihedral and/ or washout. Since I have allowe
d room for adjustment on various components for rigging/squaring, etc. I bel
ieve if I did change the rear cabanes, it would be a non event.
>
> If God is your co-pilot, switch seats
> Mike Perez
> Karetaker Aero
> First engine start complete!
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Steve Williamson California-to-Wisconsin trip cut |
short b
Mike,
I received the same email from Steve, funny how we read it differently and reacted
differently.
------------------------
The two towns mentioned are about 150 miles apart by air, although Steve mentions
the engine issue, his friend flew the plane to the intended destination, and
damaged the plane on landing. The way I read it, the landing issue that stopped
the trip, not the engine issue.
------------------------------
Since it also said they were still coming to Brodhead, I figured just like Scott,
that they could just share what they knew in person when they got there, and
there wasn't any need to post a notification about it
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I have seen the plane in person in California, and Scott has flown it, but both
of us would just rather hear directly from Steve about the event.
-------------------------------
Mike,If Steve really wanted his private email reposed on this public list before
he got to Brodhead, he could have just put it here himself. Maybe you could
make your next post about your personal W&B data.
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