---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 07/26/14: 10 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:15 AM - Re: Steve Williamson's Piet trip cut short (nightmare) 2. 06:50 AM - Re: Thinking Out Loud (Michael Perez) 3. 10:12 AM - Michael Cuy's Weight & Balance---please see attachment (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]) 4. 10:16 AM - take a 36 second Pietenpol ride with Rachel and I (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]) 5. 11:50 AM - Being judged (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]) 6. 03:55 PM - Re: Michael Cuy's Weight & Balance---please see attachment (Gary Boothe) 7. 05:43 PM - Re: take a 36 second Pietenpol ride with Rachel and I (taildrags) 8. 07:42 PM - Re: take a 36 second Pietenpol ride with Rachel and I (Ray Krause) 9. 08:00 PM - Brodhead Report (dgaldrich) 10. 11:44 PM - Re: take a 36 second Pietenpol ride with Rachel and I (aerocarjake) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:15:40 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Steve Williamson's Piet trip cut short From: "nightmare" wow. this is better than "the Housewives of Atlanta". lol. sorry guys, couldnt resist. -------- Paul Donahue Started 8-3-12 do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=427363#427363 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:50:58 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Thinking Out Loud Thanks for the replies. Thank you Jack for taking the time to provide a detailed explanation. I enjoy the more in-depth posts as through these I learn the most. If God is your co-pilot, switch seats Mike Perez Karetaker Aero First engine start complete! ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 10:12:05 AM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Michael Cuy's Weight & Balance---please see attachment William Wynne writes: "the reason why I am giving Mike C a hard time on W&B is actually on your b ehalf: I strongly suspect that Mike is not sharing his W&B because he is at times flying behind the aft limit. That is his choice, but when he then te lls new guys like you to build your plane just like his, I think he is doi ng a disservice. If this is true, your loyalty is to the wrong guy. Mike, w hen you share the numbers, be aware that I am good enough to know if you ar e fudging it. Dear William-you have such grand visions of paranoia about why I have not s hared my weight and balance. My world is not small enough to worry abou t what you think of me sharing or not sharing my weight and balance with the list because the guy I am trying to help (as he stated just yester day on the Pietenpol list) does in fact have paper copies of my original W &B paperwork in-hand, Mike Perez. I also copied the great notes for Mik e Perez that I had on hand for Mike Perez that Bill Rewey authored on how to do a g ood W&B on our little Pietnepol airplanes so Mike could have several differ ent ways of doing his own calculations and choose the one that fit his math ematic style and likes best. And thankfully, with the outstanding W&B teachings and guidelines that my Uncle Tony Bingelis authored for us in this wonderful book series on homeb uilt aircraft, I was able to conduct an accurate and complete W&B on my ai rplane and compare that with the dozens of Pietenpol builders whom I had me t at Brodhead after measuring their wing set-back, knowing their personal body weights, and talking with them about how their plane flies full fuel, low fuel, long fuselage, short fuselage, extended motor mount, as-plans motor mount and soforth and examining their W&B paperwork to guide me as I built my Pietenpol and made my own decisions . Go ahead and double check my original pencil-drawn and .pdf scanned pap erwork from 16 years ago that I prepared for myself, for the FAA MIDO Insp ector, and for future owner/operators of my aircraft for when I am long go ne but certainly not for you and your little paranoia's about why I haven' t posted my numbers to the list. I have better things to do with my li fe than to fudge my data to see if you can catch any errors and I'm a bit s tupid at times but I'm never stupid enough to build and fly my own airplane in an aft-CG condition. You're wasting your time worrying about what yo u "suspect" others are doing or not doing and what might motivate them and you are distracting from the good nature of this list with negativity and y our critical nature that just divides. And William, besides making sure my plane was built to have a very safe an d good operating CG range, I took great pains to ensure that my plane was built to the best of my ability, using all the educational reading material s at my disposal, and with the best aircraft-grade materials and aircraft engine overhaul practices of the day so that I could have confidence in fly ing safely for years to come and so that I would have confidence in giving rides to precious Mom's, Dad's, Grandparents, sons, daughters, school k ids, Boy Scouts, Girl Scouts, Aunts, Uncles, little kids, big kids, old g uys, young guys, young gals, old gals, Aunts, nieces, nephews, neighbo r kids, 4-H kids, Young Eagle kids, my own brother, dearest friend Bill , the EAA photographers in the trenches at New Holstein, an F-18 West Co ast Demonstration Team pilot who was building his own RV-6 (named James Sh oenberger in case you "suspect that Mike Cuy isn't telling the truth...agai n.." ) , A Pearl Harbor survivor, an airport bum, people at the Brodhead f ly-in and many other fly-in's around Ohio, Indiana, Pennsylvania, a high s chool friend and his children, his wife, his best friend...... and yes, ev en Michael Perez, his lovely wife Susan , and his two boys. Even last night I gave a ride to a precious High School senior from the are a who means the world to me and her Mom, a Kindergarten school mate of min e from 50 years ago (that would be 1964) (we were 5 when me met) allowed her daughter to take flight with me and I had no reservations about giving her that ride and sharing this wonderful gift of flight that we ultimately build a 2-seat, open cockpit airplane for. Mike C. Ohio [cid:image001.jpg@01CFA8D3.1754C130] ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 10:16:04 AM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" Subject: Pietenpol-List: take a 36 second Pietenpol ride with Rachel and I https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdtgC10zNuA&feature=em-upload_owner What a gorgeously smooth night it was last night in the Cleveland area. F or all of you out there building or just starting to build or even just dre aming about building a Pietnepol, here's a little slice of Pietenpol heaven for you al l that I have been so BLESSED to be able to share with so many over the yea rs. Keep building, keep working in your shops little by little and don't give up the dream of completing your VERY OWN Pietenpol Air Camper. Even 16 y ears after first flying my Pietenpol the joy and fulfillment of taking someone f or their first Pietenpol ride hasn't diminished or dimmed ONE bit! I hope you all enjoy the flight!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Mike C. Ohio ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 11:50:24 AM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. 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_____________________________________ Time: 03:55:36 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Michael Cuy's Weight & Balance---please see attachment Adding to the discussion (see attached): Today I moved out my Piet so John Howard could do W&B on his new Zenith 750. We had Pelouze scales supplied by our EAA Chapter.as opposed to when I did my own W&B with a digital bathroom scale. Since all was there and ready to go, with help, I re-weighed my Piet. I was approximately 50 lbs off on the gross weight, but the numbers still fell within the envelope [sigh of relief]. As a quick review: Long fuselage Corvair Cabanes tilted 4" Gary Boothe NX308MB From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Partners, LLC] Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2014 10:11 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Michael Cuy's Weight & Balance---please see attachment William Wynne writes: "the reason why I am giving Mike C a hard time on W&B is actually on your behalf: I strongly suspect that Mike is not sharing his W&B because he is at times flying behind the aft limit. That is his choice, but when he then tells new guys like you to build your plane just like his, I think he is doing a disservice. If this is true, your loyalty is to the wrong guy. Mike, when you share the numbers, be aware that I am good enough to know if you are fudging it. Dear William-you have such grand visions of paranoia about why I have not shared my weight and balance. My world is not small enough to worry about what you think of me sharing or not sharing my weight and balance with the list because the guy I am trying to help (as he stated just yesterday on the Pietenpol list) does in fact have paper copies of my original W&B paperwork in-hand, Mike Perez. I also copied the great notes for Mike Perez that I had on hand for Mike Perez that Bill Rewey authored on how to do a good W&B on our little Pietnepol airplanes so Mike could have several different ways of doing his own calculations and choose the one that fit his mathematic style and likes best. And thankfully, with the outstanding W&B teachings and guidelines that my Uncle Tony Bingelis authored for us in this wonderful book series on homebuilt aircraft, I was able to conduct an accurate and complete W&B on my airplane and compare that with the dozens of Pietenpol builders whom I had met at Brodhead after measuring their wing set-back, knowing their personal body weights, and talking with them about how their plane flies full fuel, low fuel, long fuselage, short fuselage, extended motor mount, as-plans motor mount and soforth and examining their W&B paperwork to guide me as I built my Pietenpol and made my own decisions. Go ahead and double check my original pencil-drawn and .pdf scanned paperwork from 16 years ago that I prepared for myself, for the FAA MIDO Inspector, and for future owner/operators of my aircraft for when I am long gone but certainly not for you and your little paranoia's about why I haven't posted my numbers to the list. I have better things to do with my life than to fudge my data to see if you can catch any errors and I'm a bit stupid at times but I'm never stupid enough to build and fly my own airplane in an aft-CG condition. You're wasting your time worrying about what you "suspect" others are doing or not doing and what might motivate them and you are distracting from the good nature of this list with negativity and your critical nature that just divides. And William, besides making sure my plane was built to have a very safe and good operating CG range, I took great pains to ensure that my plane was built to the best of my ability, using all the educational reading materials at my disposal, and with the best aircraft-grade materials and aircraft engine overhaul practices of the day so that I could have confidence in flying safely for years to come and so that I would have confidence in giving rides to precious Mom's, Dad's, Grandparents, sons, daughters, school kids, Boy Scouts, Girl Scouts, Aunts, Uncles, little kids, big kids, old guys, young guys, young gals, old gals, Aunts, nieces, nephews, neighbor kids, 4-H kids, Young Eagle kids, my own brother, dearest friend Bill, the EAA photographers in the trenches at New Holstein, an F-18 West Coast Demonstration Team pilot who was building his own RV-6 (named James Shoenberger in case you "suspect that Mike Cuy isn't telling the truth.again.." ) , A Pearl Harbor survivor, an airport bum, people at the Brodhead fly-in and many other fly-in's around Ohio, Indiana, Pennsylvania, a high school friend and his children, his wife, his best friend.. and yes, even Michael Perez, his lovely wife Susan , and his two boys. Even last night I gave a ride to a precious High School senior from the area who means the world to me and her Mom, a Kindergarten school mate of mine from 50 years ago (that would be 1964) (we were 5 when me met) allowed her daughter to take flight with me and I had no reservations about giving her that ride and sharing this wonderful gift of flight that we ultimately build a 2-seat, open cockpit airplane for. Mike C. Ohio ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 05:43:11 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: take a 36 second Pietenpol ride with Rachel and I From: "taildrags" That's what I'm talkin' about! What fun. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=427384#427384 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:42:52 PM PST US From: Ray Krause Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: take a 36 second Pietenpol ride with Rachel and I Mike, The smile tells it all! Thanks! Keep flying, giving rides and helping those who are still building! We sill get there. Ray Krause SkyScout coming along....slowly. Sent from my iPad > On Jul 26, 2014, at 10:15 AM, "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Partners , LLC]" wrote: > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdtgC10zNuA&feature=em-upload_owner > > > What a gorgeously smooth night it was last night in the Cleveland area. For all of you out there building or just starting to build or even just dre aming about > building a Pietnepol, here=99s a little slice of Pietenpol heaven f or you all that I have been so BLESSED to be able to share with so many over the years. > > Keep building, keep working in your shops little by little and don=99 t give up the dream of completing your VERY OWN Pietenpol Air Camper. Eve n 16 years > after first flying my Pietenpol the joy and fulfillment of taking someone f or their first Pietenpol ride hasn=99t diminished or dimmed ONE bit! > > I hope you all enjoy the flight!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > Mike C. > Ohio > > > > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:00:36 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead Report From: "dgaldrich" It's Saturday evening and NOBODY has posted anything yet on Brodhead 2014. Let me start. First, the weather so far has been pretty darn decent considering what's happened in the past. No typhoons, ice storms or whatever...yet. The turnout has been better than some expected. Skip Gadd has the official account but it's somewhere around 14 Piets. Now if the guys in the hangars would trot them out, we could probably have a squadron. Bratfest IV was well attended and the brats were up to their usual high standard, as was the hospitality. The only thing I can critique is the lack of a Saturday speakers program. Instead, Chapter 431 put on a very nice presentation on the Bleriot, to include short talks by several people who have flown them. One was by a gentleman from Luxembourg who flew the channel in a replica 100 years after the second crossing. That's all for now. Dave Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=427391#427391 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 11:44:58 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: take a 36 second Pietenpol ride with Rachel and I From: "aerocarjake" THANK YOU Mike..... I worked in the shop for several hours today - that much closer to being able to take people - I know not who - on a flight such as you show. There have been some struggles lately so thanks for the encouragement - it is truly appreciated....... -------- Jake Schultz - curator, Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=427394#427394 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.