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1. 06:01 AM - Re: Re: Michael Cuy's Weight & Balance---please see attachment (Michael Orth)
2. 07:55 AM - Cuy W&B data----smaller document size attached (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Partners, LLC])
3. 08:28 AM - Re: Brodhead Report (tools)
4. 08:40 AM - Re: Michael Cuy's Weight & Balance---please see attachment (jarheadpilot82)
5. 09:18 AM - Re: Michael Cuy's Weight & Balance---please see attachment (taildrags)
6. 09:24 AM - Re: Michael Cuy's Weight & Balance---please see attachment (taildrags)
7. 11:53 AM - photo of Dan Helsper flying his Piet (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Partners, LLC])
8. 12:27 PM - leading edge idea for Piet wing and Westcoast Piet site (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Partners, LLC])
9. 12:54 PM - Brodhead 2014 (Douwe Blumberg)
10. 12:58 PM - Re: Re: Brodhead Report (Boatright, Jeffrey)
11. 01:09 PM - Re: Brodhead 2014 (Gary Boothe)
12. 01:52 PM - Re: Brodhead 2014 (glenschweizer@yahoo.com)
13. 04:25 PM - Re: Brodhead 2014 (Steven Dortch)
14. 04:49 PM - Re: leading edge idea for Piet wing and Westcoast Piet site (shad bell)
15. 06:02 PM - Re: photo of Dan Helsper flying his Piet (taildrags)
16. 06:32 PM - Re: Michael Cuy's Weight & Balance---please see attachment (Braniff1966)
17. 08:43 PM - Re: Michael Cuy's Weight & Balance---please see attachment (Bill Church)
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Subject: | Re: Michael Cuy's Weight & Balance---please see attachment |
Awww, come on, Braniff1966. Tell us what you really think.
Michael
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From: Braniff1966
Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2014 7:36 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Michael Cuy's Weight & Balance---please see
attachment
jesus christ this plane was designed in 1927.. old piety did all of the work
and thinking.. dont worry about weight. just dont carry a fat assed
passenger or be a fat ass yourself.. just dont fuck with any thing build it
and fly it. leave the thinking to those dudes and dudettes that are good at
it. i build exactly to the plan and do NO thinking...i beleive that is the
correct way.
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Subject: | Cuy W&B data----smaller document size attached |
Piet Group: Please forgive the intrusion (as Axel Olsson says in the Grea
t Waldo Pepper) but I reformatted my weight and balance Word document to b
e
much smaller than the original .pdf file I sent Saturday in case some of yo
u didn't receive the post with the attachment.
Here's what I posted on Saturday just in case it didn't come thru for you.
Mike C.
William Wynne writes:
"the reason why I am giving Mike C a hard time on W&B is actually on your b
ehalf: I strongly suspect that Mike is not sharing his W&B because he is at
times flying behind the aft limit. That is his choice, but when he then te
lls new guys like you to build your plane just like his, I think he is doi
ng a disservice. If this is true, your loyalty is to the wrong guy. Mike, w
hen you share the numbers, be aware that I am good enough to know if you ar
e fudging it.
Dear William-you have such grand visions of paranoia about why I have not s
hared my weight and balance. My world is not small enough to worry abou
t what you think of me sharing or not sharing my weight and balance
with the list because the guy I am trying to help (as he stated just yester
day on the Pietenpol list) does in fact have paper copies of my original W
&B paperwork in-hand, Mike Perez. I also copied the great notes for Mik
e Perez
that I had on hand for Mike Perez that Bill Rewey authored on how to do a g
ood W&B on our little Pietnepol airplanes so Mike could have several differ
ent ways of doing his own calculations and choose the one that fit his math
ematic style and likes best.
And thankfully, with the outstanding W&B teachings and guidelines that my
Uncle Tony Bingelis authored for us in this wonderful book series on homeb
uilt aircraft, I was able to conduct an accurate and complete W&B on my ai
rplane and compare that with the dozens of Pietenpol builders whom I had me
t at Brodhead after measuring their wing set-back, knowing their personal
body weights, and talking with them about how their plane flies full fuel,
low fuel, long fuselage, short fuselage,
extended motor mount, as-plans motor mount and soforth and examining their
W&B paperwork to guide me as I built my Pietenpol and made my own decisions
. Go ahead and double check my original pencil-drawn and .pdf scanned pap
erwork from 16 years ago that I prepared for myself, for the FAA MIDO Insp
ector, and for future owner/operators of my aircraft for when I am long go
ne but certainly not for you and your little paranoia's about why I haven'
t posted my numbers to the list. I have better things to do with my li
fe than to fudge my data to see if you can catch any errors and I'm a bit s
tupid at times but I'm never stupid enough to build and fly my own airplane
in an aft-CG condition. You're wasting your time worrying about what yo
u "suspect" others are doing or not doing and what might motivate them and
you are distracting from the good nature of this list with negativity and y
our critical nature that just divides.
And William, besides making sure my plane was built to have a very safe an
d good operating CG range, I took great pains to ensure that my plane was
built to the best of my ability, using all the educational reading material
s at my disposal, and with the best aircraft-grade materials and aircraft
engine overhaul practices of the day so that I could have confidence in fly
ing safely for years to come and so that I would have confidence in giving
rides to precious Mom's, Dad's, Grandparents, sons, daughters, school k
ids, Boy Scouts, Girl Scouts, Aunts, Uncles, little kids, big kids, old g
uys, young guys, young gals, old gals, Aunts, nieces, nephews, neighbo
r kids, 4-H kids, Young Eagle kids, my own brother, dearest friend Bill
, the EAA photographers in the trenches at New Holstein, an F-18 West Co
ast Demonstration Team pilot who was building his own RV-6 (named James Sh
oenberger in case you "suspect that Mike Cuy isn't telling the truth...agai
n.." ) , A Pearl Harbor survivor, an airport bum, people at the Brodhead f
ly-in and many other fly-in's around Ohio, Indiana, Pennsylvania, a high s
chool friend and his children, his wife, his best friend...... and yes, ev
en Michael Perez, his wife Susan , and his two boys.
Even last night I gave a ride to a precious High School senior from the are
a who means the world to me and her Mom, a Kindergarten school mate of min
e from 50 years ago (that would be 1964) (we were 5 when me met) allowed
her daughter to take flight with me and I had no reservations about giving
her that ride and sharing this wonderful gift of flight that we ultimately
build a 2-seat, open cockpit airplane for.
Mike C.
Ohio
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Subject: | Re: Brodhead Report |
Well, not much of a report, but it went really well. I thought plenty of Piets
for a good showing. Not as much flying as usual in terms of dawn and dusk patrols,
but I finally did get my Piet there and got in a lot of flying.
One gent came over, was looking at my plane and mentioned he BUILT one, registered
it, got it inspected, has taxied it, it's fueled and at the airport...
but has NEVER even ridden in one!
So we fixed that, gave a couple more rides to builders with no rides or experiences.
LOTS of kids that work the event. One older gentleman who giggled like
a school girl for the next two days. Really made the 10 hours of seat time getting
it there worth the effort. Probably 20 or more rides in total.
Saddled up with the Minnesota crowd and the Canadian bird and flew into Oshkosh!
THAT was quite an experience.
So, pretty busy with my project at airventure, so will be quite scarce this week.
Maybe I can get some pics and post them.
Cheers,
Tools
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Subject: | Re: Michael Cuy's Weight & Balance---please see attachment |
Mike (Cuy),
Would you please repost your weight and balance data? I have encountered the "Matronics
Triangle" where postings often enter and are never seen or heard from
again.
I have seen the discussion of, but not the original post. If you could redo, that
would be appreciated.
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Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
USMC, USMCR, ATP
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Subject: | Re: Michael Cuy's Weight & Balance---please see attachment |
Clif; I used a uniform loading from centerline to wing tip, so my analysis was
incorrect on several counts but I knew that going in. If I use the distribution
in the graphic that you attached, it will be a bit different but not by too
much. I analyzed the cantilevered section of wing from the lift strut attach
point out to the wingtip, looking for the maximum moment to be resisted by the
forward wing spar at the lift strut attach point. The inboard section of the
wing is obviously going to be more competent to carry its load since it is supported
at both ends rather than being cantilevered. The rear spar is, similarly,
going to be competent to carry its share of the load because it is less
heavily loaded than the main spar but it is equal in section.
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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Subject: | Re: Michael Cuy's Weight & Balance---please see attachment |
One last, minor point: if the wing is rigged with washout, the load will be slightly
different from the graph as well. With washout, the root section is lifting
even more than the graph indicates (unless it has included some washout effect).
All of which goes to help the Piet wing, but I remain cautious about
increasing gross weight without a reasoned structural analysis.
We put men on the moon using slide rules and pencils; we don't need fancy computer
programs to figure out a wing spar structural analysis. I just haven't done
it myself or seen such an analysis done to my satisfaction. Your results may
vary, however.
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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Subject: | photo of Dan Helsper flying his Piet |
For those of you who are not on Facebook----Dan's wife posted this and I th
ought I'd share it with the group. Looks like a gorgeous day to be flying
Loensloe Airlines.....
Mike C.
Ohio
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Subject: | leading edge idea for Piet wing and Westcoast Piet site |
Earl Brown mentioned my leading edge idea that I used on my Piet wings and
here's a sketch of that idea plus an idea for your trailing
edges (that I also used and found it to work well over the past 16 years)
For more chicken-scratch drawings of mine (fashioned after my hero Tony Bi
ngelis) see Chris Tracy's incredibly great Wescoast Piet web site.
Mike C.
http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Mike%20Cuy%20A-65%20Piet/mike_cuy_3.htm
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HELLO GOOD PEOPLE!
Well, RE-PIET's wheels touched down at her home base at 8:30am this morning
after a rather stressful trip home. The WX all the way down was
ever-changing and apparently must have been hard to forecast because the
briefing I got seemed to have NO basis in reality and every other forecast I
saw disagreed with eachother. Dan Helsper was an hour ahead of me and
kindly called me with real-time WX each time he landed which was really
invaluable for a fairly inexperienced cross-country pilot.
Illinois was pretty good, but windy as the day went on. I got down to
Kanakakee ("no gas sir, a Stearman just bought us out" thank God for my big
wing tank) before I tried for Kokomo, Indiana. WX said Kokomo was okay, but
with a big crosswind. However as I went the puffy clouds grew closer and
closer and finally became a solid ceiling which gradually descended as I got
close. I knew I could turn around and get out of it so I pressed on and
felt great relief when I saw the beautiful grass field below me. Swooped in
landed fighting a really bad crosswind, but it was fine. WX then got really
nice for a couple of hours, then a big squall line rolled through with the
first big drops and wind hitting right as we rolled my plane into a kindly
offered hangar.
Decided to be safe and stay the night as the Ohio River Valley looked like
crap. Some airport folks took me in and made me a homestyle farmhouse meal
after which I slept in the lounge.
Wheels up at 7:00am with a 16kt tailwind and made it home through another
low ceiling area, but again, I knew I could turn around AND I knew it was
good on the other side because Marci was texting me photos, so all went
well. Another big crosswind at my asphalt home field to contend with and we
were home.
Brodhead 2014 was great. The WX was PRETTY decent with good flying evenings
and mornings. It got warm and buggy, but no big thunderstorms this year and
as observed, the turnout was surprisingly good. I think I counted 14 or 15
Piets. Jill did make it down from Canada with her passenger husband and was
a joy to meet.
I'm sure I'll leave someone out so, please forgive me but in attendance was:
Bach's Piet
Dan H
Greg
Can't remember their name but the white and green one
Bob's blue with the yellow nose
"Tools" Danford's blue and yellow flew almost constantly
RE-PIET
Larry "curmudgeon" Williams on a barnstorming tour of the Midwest
Jill from the little country north of us
A corvair powered "last original" clone, maybe the oldest "non-Bernard" Piet
around
The Last Original made an appearance or two.
Bob's new beautiful Orange and Blue masterpiece
The Rudolf piet
I saw the Knight Ford-powered red and silver one fly twice, but it didn't
dain to park with the riff-raff
The Brodhead based red Scout made some flights and actually graced the
Pietenpol area for a while.
Like I said, I'm sure I'm missing someone's. We sure missed some regulars,
but it was awesome to see so many, and some new ones!
I wish the Brodhead-based PIets would come out and play more so we could all
enjoy them, but they seem happier staying in their homes.
As always, it was a great time and I'm already looking forward to Brodhead
2015
Douwe
Ps. Did you guys see the Oshkosh "twister" images? Thank God they didn't
touch down! One can only imagine.
Keep on building, it's worth it.
Pss. After sensing for the last year or two a salient shift in the tone of
our little group here, and reading some things upon my return, I am going to
put together some informal rules and suggestions that might help us regain
the kinder/gentler tone this list once had. I'm going to wait until
everyone is home and settled and I have time to put my thoughts down, then
I'll submit it for suggestions and then each time things get too
serious/silly/ or profane.. We can instantly refer to these..
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Subject: | Re: Brodhead 2014 |
I can hear it now...to the good people of Kokomo, "There I was, over the Her
ken Woods...."
Sent from my iPhone
> On Jul 28, 2014, at 12:54 PM, "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg@earthlink.ne
t> wrote:
>
>
> HELLO GOOD PEOPLE!
>
> Well, RE-PIET=99s wheels touched down at her home base at 8:30am thi
s morning after a rather stressful trip home. The WX all the way down was e
ver-changing and apparently must have been hard to forecast because the brie
fing I got seemed to have NO basis in reality and every other forecast I saw
disagreed with eachother. Dan Helsper was an hour ahead of me and kindly c
alled me with real-time WX each time he landed which was really invaluable f
or a fairly inexperienced cross-country pilot.
>
> Illinois was pretty good, but windy as the day went on. I got down to Kan
akakee (=9Cno gas sir, a Stearman just bought us out=9D thank Go
d for my big wing tank) before I tried for Kokomo, Indiana. WX said Kokomo w
as okay, but with a big crosswind. However as I went the puffy clouds grew c
loser and closer and finally became a solid ceiling which gradually descende
d as I got close. I knew I could turn around and get out of it so I pressed
on and felt great relief when I saw the beautiful grass field below me. Sw
ooped in landed fighting a really bad crosswind, but it was fine. WX then g
ot really nice for a couple of hours, then a big squall line rolled through w
ith the first big drops and wind hitting right as we rolled my plane into a k
indly offered hangar.
>
> Decided to be safe and stay the night as the Ohio River Valley looked like
crap. Some airport folks took me in and made me a homestyle farmhouse meal
after which I slept in the lounge.
>
> Wheels up at 7:00am with a 16kt tailwind and made it home through another l
ow ceiling area, but again, I knew I could turn around AND I knew it was goo
d on the other side because Marci was texting me photos, so all went well. A
nother big crosswind at my asphalt home field to contend with and we were ho
me.
>
> Brodhead 2014 was great. The WX was PRETTY decent with good flying evenin
gs and mornings. It got warm and buggy, but no big thunderstorms this year a
nd as observed, the turnout was surprisingly good. I think I counted 14 or 1
5 Piets. Jill did make it down from Canada with her passenger husband and w
as a joy to meet.
>
> I=99m sure I=99ll leave someone out so, please forgive me but i
n attendance was:
>
> Bach=99s Piet
> Dan H
> Greg
> Can=99t remember their name but the white and green one
> Bob=99s blue with the yellow nose
> =9CTools=9D Danford=99s blue and yellow flew almost cons
tantly
> RE-PIET
> Larry =9Ccurmudgeon=9D Williams on a barnstorming tour of the M
idwest
> Jill from the little country north of us
> A corvair powered =9Clast original=9D clone, maybe the oldest
=9Cnon-Bernard=9D Piet around
> The Last Original made an appearance or two.
> Bob=99s new beautiful Orange and Blue masterpiece
> The Rudolf piet
> I saw the Knight Ford-powered red and silver one fly twice, but it didn
=99t dain to park with the riff-raff
> The Brodhead based red Scout made some flights and actually graced the Pie
tenpol area for a while.
>
>
> Like I said, I=99m sure I=99m missing someone=99s. We s
ure missed some regulars, but it was awesome to see so many, and some new on
es!
>
> I wish the Brodhead-based PIets would come out and play more so we could a
ll enjoy them, but they seem happier staying in their homes
>
> As always, it was a great time and I=99m already looking forward to B
rodhead 2015
>
> Douwe
>
> Ps. Did you guys see the Oshkosh =9Ctwister=9D images? Thank
God they didn=99t touch down! One can only imagine
>
> Keep on building, it=99s worth it.
>
> Pss. After sensing for the last year or two a salient shift in the tone o
f our little group here, and reading some things upon my return, I am going t
o put together some informal rules and suggestions that might help us regain
the kinder/gentler tone this list once had. I=99m going to wait unti
l everyone is home and settled and I have time to put my thoughts down, then
I=99ll submit it for suggestions and then each time things get too se
rious/silly/ or profane. We can instantly refer to these..
>
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Subject: | Re: Brodhead 2014 |
Hi Douwe
Glad you had a safe trip. These pietenpols are all about doing things th
e old way. That is only one of the many attributes of this design.
I too have noticed the sometimes disrespect of time proven members and ai
rcraft of this group. Discussions mentioning "loyalty to the wrong guy"and s
uggesting one would"fudge" W&B data have no place here. Some rules of condu
ct are definitely in order.
I've enjoyed being a member of this group. There is much to learn and m
uch to be taught(even by arrogant,self promoting,self proclaimed experts). A
pparently, we need rules of conduct to disseminate this information so as no
t to disrespect one another. Too bad, really.
Sent from my iPhone
> On Jul 28, 2014, at 12:54 PM, "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg@earthlink.ne
t> wrote:
>
>
> HELLO GOOD PEOPLE!
>
> Well, RE-PIET=99s wheels touched down at her home base at 8:30am thi
s morning after a rather stressful trip home. The WX all the way down was e
ver-changing and apparently must have been hard to forecast because the brie
fing I got seemed to have NO basis in reality and every other forecast I saw
disagreed with eachother. Dan Helsper was an hour ahead of me and kindly c
alled me with real-time WX each time he landed which was really invaluable f
or a fairly inexperienced cross-country pilot.
>
> Illinois was pretty good, but windy as the day went on. I got down to Kan
akakee (=9Cno gas sir, a Stearman just bought us out=9D thank Go
d for my big wing tank) before I tried for Kokomo, Indiana. WX said Kokomo w
as okay, but with a big crosswind. However as I went the puffy clouds grew c
loser and closer and finally became a solid ceiling which gradually descende
d as I got close. I knew I could turn around and get out of it so I pressed
on and felt great relief when I saw the beautiful grass field below me. Sw
ooped in landed fighting a really bad crosswind, but it was fine. WX then g
ot really nice for a couple of hours, then a big squall line rolled through w
ith the first big drops and wind hitting right as we rolled my plane into a k
indly offered hangar.
>
> Decided to be safe and stay the night as the Ohio River Valley looked like
crap. Some airport folks took me in and made me a homestyle farmhouse meal
after which I slept in the lounge.
>
> Wheels up at 7:00am with a 16kt tailwind and made it home through another l
ow ceiling area, but again, I knew I could turn around AND I knew it was goo
d on the other side because Marci was texting me photos, so all went well. A
nother big crosswind at my asphalt home field to contend with and we were ho
me.
>
> Brodhead 2014 was great. The WX was PRETTY decent with good flying evenin
gs and mornings. It got warm and buggy, but no big thunderstorms this year a
nd as observed, the turnout was surprisingly good. I think I counted 14 or 1
5 Piets. Jill did make it down from Canada with her passenger husband and w
as a joy to meet.
>
> I=99m sure I=99ll leave someone out so, please forgive me but i
n attendance was:
>
> Bach=99s Piet
> Dan H
> Greg
> Can=99t remember their name but the white and green one
> Bob=99s blue with the yellow nose
> =9CTools=9D Danford=99s blue and yellow flew almost cons
tantly
> RE-PIET
> Larry =9Ccurmudgeon=9D Williams on a barnstorming tour of the M
idwest
> Jill from the little country north of us
> A corvair powered =9Clast original=9D clone, maybe the oldest
=9Cnon-Bernard=9D Piet around
> The Last Original made an appearance or two.
> Bob=99s new beautiful Orange and Blue masterpiece
> The Rudolf piet
> I saw the Knight Ford-powered red and silver one fly twice, but it didn
=99t dain to park with the riff-raff
> The Brodhead based red Scout made some flights and actually graced the Pie
tenpol area for a while.
>
>
> Like I said, I=99m sure I=99m missing someone=99s. We s
ure missed some regulars, but it was awesome to see so many, and some new on
es!
>
> I wish the Brodhead-based PIets would come out and play more so we could a
ll enjoy them, but they seem happier staying in their homes
>
> As always, it was a great time and I=99m already looking forward to B
rodhead 2015
>
> Douwe
>
> Ps. Did you guys see the Oshkosh =9Ctwister=9D images? Thank
God they didn=99t touch down! One can only imagine
>
> Keep on building, it=99s worth it.
>
> Pss. After sensing for the last year or two a salient shift in the tone o
f our little group here, and reading some things upon my return, I am going t
o put together some informal rules and suggestions that might help us regain
the kinder/gentler tone this list once had. I=99m going to wait unti
l everyone is home and settled and I have time to put my thoughts down, then
I=99ll submit it for suggestions and then each time things get too se
rious/silly/ or profane. We can instantly refer to these..
>
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Subject: | Re: Brodhead 2014 |
You said "After sensing for the last year or two a salient shift in the
tone of our little group here, and reading some things upon my return, I am
going to put together some informal rules and suggestions that might help
us regain the kinder/gentler tone this list once had. I=99m going to
wait
until everyone is home and settled and I have time to put my thoughts down,
then I=99ll submit it for suggestions and then each time things get t
oo
serious/silly/ or profane. We can instantly refer to these."
Come on Douwe, A little contentiousness is good for the soul.
Just joking, I agree, these are two good guys with something to offer, but
both have gotten mad and just can't let it go. We as a list need to get
over this and keep moving.
--
Blue Skies,
Steve D.
On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 3:07 PM, Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote:
> I can hear it now...to the good people of Kokomo, "There I was, over the
> Herken Woods...."
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 28, 2014, at 12:54 PM, "Douwe Blumberg" <
> douweblumberg@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>
> HELLO GOOD PEOPLE!
>
>
> Well, RE-PIET=99s wheels touched down at her home base at 8:30am th
is
> morning after a rather stressful trip home. The WX all the way down was
> ever-changing and apparently must have been hard to forecast because the
> briefing I got seemed to have NO basis in reality and every other forecas
t
> I saw disagreed with eachother. Dan Helsper was an hour ahead of me and
> kindly called me with real-time WX each time he landed which was really
> invaluable for a fairly inexperienced cross-country pilot.
>
>
> Illinois was pretty good, but windy as the day went on. I got down to
> Kanakakee (=9Cno gas sir, a Stearman just bought us out=9D th
ank God for my big
> wing tank) before I tried for Kokomo, Indiana. WX said Kokomo was okay,
> but with a big crosswind. However as I went the puffy clouds grew closer
> and closer and finally became a solid ceiling which gradually descended a
s
> I got close. I knew I could turn around and get out of it so I pressed o
n
> and felt great relief when I saw the beautiful grass field below me.
> Swooped in landed fighting a really bad crosswind, but it was fine. WX
> then got really nice for a couple of hours, then a big squall line rolled
> through with the first big drops and wind hitting right as we rolled my
> plane into a kindly offered hangar.
>
>
> Decided to be safe and stay the night as the Ohio River Valley looked lik
e
> crap. Some airport folks took me in and made me a homestyle farmhouse me
al
> after which I slept in the lounge.
>
>
> Wheels up at 7:00am with a 16kt tailwind and made it home through another
> low ceiling area, but again, I knew I could turn around AND I knew it was
> good on the other side because Marci was texting me photos, so all went
> well. Another big crosswind at my asphalt home field to contend with and
> we were home.
>
>
> Brodhead 2014 was great. The WX was PRETTY decent with good flying
> evenings and mornings. It got warm and buggy, but no big thunderstorms
> this year and as observed, the turnout was surprisingly good. I think I
> counted 14 or 15 Piets. Jill did make it down from Canada with her
> passenger husband and was a joy to meet.
>
>
> I=99m sure I=99ll leave someone out so, please forgive me but
in attendance
> was:
>
>
> Bach=99s Piet
>
> Dan H
>
> Greg
>
> Can=99t remember their name but the white and green one
>
> Bob=99s blue with the yellow nose
>
> =9CTools=9D Danford=99s blue and yellow flew almost con
stantly
>
> RE-PIET
>
> Larry =9Ccurmudgeon=9D Williams on a barnstorming tour of the
Midwest
>
> Jill from the little country north of us
>
> A corvair powered =9Clast original=9D clone, maybe the oldest
=9Cnon-Bernard=9D
> Piet around
>
> The Last Original made an appearance or two.
>
> Bob=99s new beautiful Orange and Blue masterpiece
>
> The Rudolf piet
>
> I saw the Knight Ford-powered red and silver one fly twice, but it didn
=99t
> dain to park with the riff-raff
>
> The Brodhead based red Scout made some flights and actually graced the
> Pietenpol area for a while.
>
>
> Like I said, I=99m sure I=99m missing someone=99s. We
sure missed some
> regulars, but it was awesome to see so many, and some new ones!
>
>
> I wish the Brodhead-based PIets would come out and play more so we could
> all enjoy them, but they seem happier staying in their homes
>
>
> As always, it was a great time and I=99m already looking forward to
Brodhead
> 2015
>
>
> Douwe
>
>
> Ps. Did you guys see the Oshkosh =9Ctwister=9D images? Than
k God they didn=99t
> touch down! One can only imagine
>
>
> Keep on building, it=99s worth it.
>
>
> Pss. After sensing for the last year or two a salient shift in the tone
> of our little group here, and reading some things upon my return, I am
> going to put together some informal rules and suggestions that might help
> us regain the kinder/gentler tone this list once had. I=99m going
to wait
> until everyone is home and settled and I have time to put my thoughts dow
n,
> then I=99ll submit it for suggestions and then each time things get
too
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Subject: | Re: leading edge idea for Piet wing and Westcoast Piet |
site
That must be where dad got the idea, he used handrail as well=0A=0AShad =0A
=0A=0AOn Monday, July 28, 2014 3:43 PM, "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage
Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov> wrote:=0A =0A=0A=0A =0AEarl Brow
n mentioned my leading edge idea that I used on my Piet wings and here
=99s a sketch of that idea plus an idea for your trailing =0Aedges (that
I also used and found it to work well over the past 16 years)=C2- =0A
=C2- =0AFor more chicken-scratch drawings of mine=C2- (fashioned after
my hero Tony Bingelis) see Chris Tracy=99s incredibly great Wescoast
Piet web site. =0A=C2- =0AMike C. =0A=C2- =0A=C2- =0Ahttp://westcoas
tpiet.com/images/Mike%20Cuy%20A-65%20Piet/mike_cuy_3.htm
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Subject: | Re: photo of Dan Helsper flying his Piet |
I really like those flat-panel faceted windscreens.
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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Subject: | Re: Michael Cuy's Weight & Balance---please see attachment |
this is really wierd shit ... u guys need to spend more time drinking and hanging
out in dark tittie bars... dont you know old piety did all this for us???
DONT CHANGE ANYTHING.. ALL YOU WILL DO IS FUCKUP THE PLANE..THIS DUDES FIRST SENTENCE
SAYS IT ALL.. MY CALCULATIONS ARE INCORRECT.....DONT NEED TO READ PAST
THAT....
jim hyde
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Subject: | Re: Michael Cuy's Weight & Balance---please see attachment |
Wow.
Jim Hyde, stick a sock in it.
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