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1. 04:06 AM - Re: side note about smoke and smoke oil for Pietenpols (Jack)
2. 04:43 AM - Re: Re: wing loads (danhelsper@aol.com)
3. 06:22 AM - Re: Brodhead Report (Baldeagle)
4. 06:39 AM - Re: Jim Markle's progress! (Jerry Dotson)
5. 07:09 AM - fly-ins (Douwe Blumberg)
6. 07:14 AM - smoke system for lazy people... (Douwe Blumberg)
7. 07:28 AM - Air delivery (Douwe)
8. 07:32 AM - Re: Air delivery (gsnewsome)
9. 07:43 AM - Re: Distance LE to front spar (echobravo4)
10. 07:46 AM - =?utf-8?Q?Re:__fly-ins? (=?utf-8?Q?aviatorbell@yahoo.com?=)
11. 08:15 AM - Re: Re: Brodhead Report (Greg Cardinal)
12. 09:43 AM - 3 Corvair Engines Available (Greg Bacon)
13. 09:45 AM - Re: Re: Brodhead Report (Gene Rambo)
14. 09:49 AM - Re: Air delivery (aerocarjake)
15. 11:49 AM - Re: Air delivery (Ken Bickers)
16. 02:29 PM - Re: Brodhead Report (Braniff1966)
17. 04:43 PM - Re: which holds more oil? (piperj3cubflyer)
18. 05:06 PM - Re: Re: Brodhead Report (danhelsper@aol.com)
19. 05:20 PM - cool dusk shot (Douwe Blumberg)
20. 07:04 PM - Re: Distance LE to front spar (Pocono John)
21. 08:54 PM - Re: A Pietenpol Cousin (Gary Boothe)
22. 09:32 PM - Re: fly-ins (tools)
23. 09:44 PM - Re: fly-ins (tools)
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| Subject: | Re: side note about smoke and smoke oil for Pietenpols |
Mike,
1 or 2 inches from the manifold end?
Sent from my iPad
Jack Textor
> On Aug 1, 2014, at 3:32 PM, "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Partners, L
LC]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov> wrote:
>
> Gary=94smoke is just a blast to have. With your electrical syste
m you could probably use a salvage yard or new replacement windshield
> washer pump/reservoir setup. I don=99t know if the washer pumps h
ave the kind of pressure you need but I don=99t see why it wouldn
=99t
> work as long as it could overcome the backpressure in the exhaust stack.
You only need to inject into one exhaust stack too. As long as
> you inject in that first 1-2=9D the oil with smoke really well.
>
> I believe Chuck Gantzer used a windshield washer pump for his baby oil smo
ke system and it worked well but the baby oil didn=99t have as white
> a look as the mineral oil.
>
> I use the regular air show smoke oil so it does well but isn=99t che
ap but thankfully some distributors sell it in 5 gallon buckets. Not sure
what the trade
> name for the stuff is now since I haven=99t purchased any in a while
but it used to be Texaco Canopus Oil #13, before that it was Corvis oil.
>
> Kyle Franklin posted this on his web page about the various smoke oils he a
sks for when making an air show appearance.
>
>
> <image001.png>
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There are a couple of great things about Gene's posts. He
makes me laugh, and I find myself actually reading all the
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w pasture every Saturday morning, but golf =0Awas a $177 bil
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of =0Apeople love it. But if people enjoy it, so be it.
Same with analysis of spar =0Astrength, modulus of rupture,
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| Subject: | Re: Brodhead Report |
I will make the same comment that I think I've made the last couple of years--
it's time to utilise the standard Brodhead flyby pattern that's used at the Grass
Roots Antique fly-in there in September. I saw airplanes crossing the airfield
upwind, downwind, and crosswind. There were a few doing slow flight low
enough that if their engine quit they would have no choice but to hit the ground
amongst the airplanes and people. All flying from about the gas pumps to
the runway should be parallel to landing traffic and downwind legs on the south
side of the airport should be over the hangars or even south of the hangars.
It only has to happen once for somebody to pile into the parking area of two
airplanes to collide over the field to ruin everything. The person flying the
light blue Taylorcraft showed very poor judgement, flying low and slow on downwind
for landing almost right over the pavillion.
I don't mean to be too curmudgeonly, as I had a great time at the fly-in,
but this is a recurring safety issue, and should be addressed.
-
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| Subject: | Re: Jim Markle's progress! |
Jim has even threatened to come fly with me! I am a brave man and told him to come
fly with me.
Jerry
--------
Jerry Dotson
First flight June 16,2012
Flying in phase 2
Lycoming O-235 C2C
Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44
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Hey Mike and everyone else.
I am toying with the idea of flying Marci out to the big antique fly-in in
Blakesburg, but then I got invited to the labor day fly-in at Red Stewart
(Waynesville, ON) Here's the link, ck it out. I hear it's awesome. We can
fly in anytime they're not doing their airshow and camp out. They have gas
and it is a GREAT grass field.
I think we should get a gaggle of Piets to attend since there are a lot
within easy striking distance.
Mike D, why don't you fly up to my field in Fallmouth, KY and hangout with
us for a night. I'll show you the studio etc and then we fly up the next
day. The invite is open to anyone who wants to use our place as a stopover.
http://www.stewartsaircraft.net/airshow-2014.html
Douwe
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| Subject: | smoke system for lazy people... |
IF you're too lazy, or just don't need one more system to fabricate from
scratch, you can buy most of the smoke system from the Sonex guys. That's
what I did, but I was madly trying to finish and was happy to shell out some
bucks to save time.
Douwe
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Well, I can finally officially deduct a Piet trip from my taxes!
Had to deliver a statue to Louisville so I shoehorned (safely lashed down) i
t into the front seat and flew into beautiful miles field in shelbyville. S
tayed with some friends one of who's mom was an early aviatrix. She flew tra
vel airs and stuff in england and had this pic on the wall
Douwe
Sent from my iPhone
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| Subject: | Re: Air delivery |
Nice
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| Subject: | Re: Distance LE to front spar |
Hi John
I just checked my plans, and, as bill stated, the lower drawing has the dimensions
to be concerned about- follow that one
The upper drawing is there so you can plot the points to draw the airfoil if you
don't have the full-size drawing.
As far as the horizontal main beam- the 5/8" is right- anything that winds up
sticking above the surface will be sanded down flush later.
--------
Earl Brown
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I
intended to be.
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| Subject: | ?Q?RE:_Pietenpol-List:_fly-ins? |
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| Subject: | Re: Brodhead Report |
Good point, Andrew.
Attached are pdf's of the accepted fly-by patterns. These are also posted on
the bulletin board at Brodhead.
The MAAC fly-in rules are also attached.
Greg Cardinal
----- Original Message -----
From: "Baldeagle" <baldeagle27@earthlink.net>
Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2014 8:22 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Brodhead Report
> <baldeagle27@earthlink.net>
>
> I will make the same comment that I think I've made the last couple of
> years-- it's time to utilise the standard Brodhead flyby pattern that's
> used at the Grass Roots Antique fly-in there in September. I saw
> airplanes crossing the airfield upwind, downwind, and crosswind. There
> were a few doing slow flight low enough that if their engine quit they
> would have no choice but to hit the ground amongst the airplanes and
> people. All flying from about the gas pumps to the runway should be
> parallel to landing traffic and downwind legs on the south side of the
> airport should be over the hangars or even south of the hangars. It only
> has to happen once for somebody to pile into the parking area of two
> airplanes to collide over the field to ruin everything. The person flying
> the light blue Taylorcraft showed very poor judgement, flying low and slow
> on downwind for landing almost right over the pavillion.
>
> I don't mean to be too curmudgeonly, as I had a great time at the
> fly-in, but this is a recurring safety issue, and should be addressed.
>
>
> -
>
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>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=427820#427820
>
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| Subject: | 3 Corvair Engines Available |
Hi Everyone!
I'm no longer interested in a WW conversion. I have 3 Corvair engines (all
110 HP), one turns freely, one is locked up, and one is disassembled with
some good parts available. I would like $500 for everything. I reside
near Columbia, MO. Contact me off-list if interested.
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| Subject: | Re: Brodhead Report |
That Taylorcraft does that every year....
Gene
On Aug 2, 2014, at 9:22 AM, "Baldeagle" <baldeagle27@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> I will make the same comment that I think I've made the last couple of years--
it's time to utilise the standard Brodhead flyby pattern that's used at the
Grass Roots Antique fly-in there in September. I saw airplanes crossing the
airfield upwind, downwind, and crosswind. There were a few doing slow flight
low enough that if their engine quit they would have no choice but to hit the
ground amongst the airplanes and people. All flying from about the gas pumps
to the runway should be parallel to landing traffic and downwind legs on the south
side of the airport should be over the hangars or even south of the hangars.
It only has to happen once for somebody to pile into the parking area of
two airplanes to collide over the field to ruin everything. The person flying
the light blue Taylorcraft showed very poor judgement, flying low and slow on
downwind for landing almost right over the pavillion.
>
> I don't mean to be too curmudgeonly, as I had a great time at the fly-in,
but this is a recurring safety issue, and should be addressed.
>
>
>
>
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>
> --------
> do not archive
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=427820#427820
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| Subject: | Re: Air delivery |
Both aspects of that are awesome...!
--------
Jake Schultz - curator,
Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
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| Subject: | Re: Air delivery |
Way cool!!
Pietenpol Air Truck and Delivery Service.
On Sat, Aug 2, 2014 at 8:27 AM, Douwe <douweblumberg@earthlink.net> wrote:
> Well, I can finally officially deduct a Piet trip from my taxes!
>
>
> Had to deliver a statue to Louisville so I shoehorned (safely lashed down)
> it into the front seat and flew into beautiful miles field in shelbyville.
> Stayed with some friends one of who's mom was an early aviatrix. She flew
> travel airs and stuff in england and had this pic on the wall
>
> Douwe
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
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| Subject: | Re: Brodhead Report |
traffic patterns are a suggestion.. only a real idiot and self ceneterd ass would
not fly a pattern.. we have been flying the same rectangle pattern for at
least 80 years. it works, its safe but there is always some one that thinks they
are smarter.. i saw a fellow get his ass whipped big time in fromt of the gas
pump because he didnt fly the pattern. this guy flew a left hand pattern when
a right hand pattern is clearly published. he made the other guy make a go
around so when they met at the pump the big guy cleaned the ramp with the little
guys face. it was one of the highlights of my aviation 60 year career.. on
a personal note when i was a kid i hit a cessna 210 making a straight in approach
at gaineaville , tx muni airport. the guy was an ATP but he thought that
the rules and SOPs didnt apply to him.
hyde
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| Subject: | Re: which holds more oil? |
Thanks Mike for the smoker system idea!
Here a video of my son and myself and he did not know I installed the smoker
system!
Thanks
Jeff
N8031
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqNkgQo2e5Q&sns=em
Sent from my iPhone
> On Jul 31, 2014, at 12:42 PM, Ben Charvet <bencharvet@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> After watching your video, I definitely need smoke. About how long can yo
u smoke it on one pump up of the sprayer? Also is it in the archives how yo
u made the exhaust fitting, or can you just share that with us ? It looks l
ike it works very well, but if you have already done the research on orifice
size it could save me some time.
>
> Ben Charvet
> 220 hours on NX866BC
>
>> On 7/30/2014 11:12 AM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Partners, LLC] w
rote:
>> Here are the handy little Lowe=99s or Home Depot garden department p
oly spray bottles that I use to pressurize my smoke oil (basically mineral o
il) to inject
>> into the right rear exhaust pipe of my A-65 engine. Every year I need t
o replace the bottle because the old bottles begin to leak as soon as you pu
mp them
>> up from exposure to the oil after a while.
>>
>> Last night I installed the new poly bottle and was bummed because it held
less fluidor so I thought.
>>
>> Which one do you think holds more fluid? I was surprised to read that t
he container on the right holds 56 oz. and the old bottle on the left holds 5
1 oz.
>> I still don=99t believe it and am going to do a little test next ti
me I empty out the new smoke oil bottle! (which won=99t take long i
f this gorgeous weather keeps up.)
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| Subject: | Re: Brodhead Report |
The "Fun Police" have officially weighed-in.:O(=0A=0A=0ADan Helsper=0A
Loensloe Airfield=0APuryear, TN=0A=0A=0A=0A-----Original Message-----=0AFr
om: Baldeagle <baldeagle27@earthlink.net>=0ATo: pietenpol-list <pietenpo
l-list@matronics.com>=0ASent: Sat, Aug 2, 2014 1:59 pm=0ASubject:
Pietenpol-List: Re: Brodhead Report=0A=0A=0A--> Pietenpol-List message
posted by: "Baldeagle" <baldeagle27@earthlink.net>=0A=0AI will make
the same comment that I think I've made the last couple
of years-- =0Ait's time to utilise the standard Brodhead fl
yby pattern that's used at the =0AGrass Roots Antique fly-in
there in September. I saw airplanes crossing the =0Aairfield
upwind, downwind, and crosswind. There were a few doing slo
w flight =0Alow enough that if their engine quit they would
have no choice but to hit the =0Aground amongst the airplane
s and people. All flying from about the gas pumps to =0A
the runway should be parallel to landing traffic and downwind
legs on the south =0Aside of the airport should be over th
e hangars or even south of the hangars. It =0Aonly has
to happen once for somebody to pile into the parking area
of two =0Aairplanes to collide over the field to ruin everyt
hing. The person flying the =0Alight blue Taylorcraft showed
very poor judgement, flying low and slow on =0Adownwind for
landing almost right over the pavillion.=0A=0A I don't
mean to be too curmudgeonly, as I had a great time at
the fly-in, =0Abut this is a recurring safety issue, and sho
uld be addressed.=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A-=0A=0A--------=0Ado not archive=0A=0A=0A
=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/view
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Smoke 'em if you got 'em!!
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| Subject: | Re: Distance LE to front spar |
Thank you gentlemen. I understand now.
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John
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| Subject: | A Pietenpol Cousin |
Very nice, Gerry! A friend owns two.quick (compared to the Piet!) and sturdy
little planes.
Gary Boothe
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gerry
Holland
Sent: Friday, August 01, 2014 10:22 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: A Pietenpol Cousin
In an email conversation with Mike Cuy he suggested I circulate some basic
details of my Corben Ace as a cousin of the Piet.
It too saw the light of day in 1929 as a homebuilt plan.
I live in England, the home of a few great Pietenpols and it seems natural
to keep an eye on their life here and also the US fraternity and beyond.
In fact I have the last Corben in Europe as far as I know. I crashed the
second to last in 2012! Oops! Total write off.
Mine is around 50+ years old and ex-Savannah, GA, an import. I reassembled
it and rebuilt as necessary after buying as a dismantled unit.
I sent my very tired A65-8 to be professionally rebuilt and it turns a
vintage Flottorp 72" X 50" Prop. Again old but overhauled at Hercules Props.
http://www.hercprops.com/
The Corben uses a Clark Y Airfoil full stop and a 26 foot span. It flies
beautifully.
I decided to go for shabby chic with polished aluminium and latex paint
rolled on the rest. Great fun but it does look odd to any observer passing
to see an aircraft being rolled with paint.
The finish is dull but in keeping.
A Thank you to Douwe, Oscar and others for sharing their Piet's. Gave me
lots of ideas.
If you visit UK give me a shout for a beer. I'm in the West Country in
Somerset.
Obligatory photo attached.
Regards
Gerry
Gerry Holland
gholland@content-stream.co.uk
+44 (0)7808 402404
White Ox Mead Airstrip, Bath. England
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Let me check it out! Sounds good!
Tools
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Need dates and such. Quite possible would be flying DOWN to your field and then
in.
Sounds like fun and I'd LOVE to see the studio!
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