---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 08/03/14: 31 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:28 AM - Re: A Pietenpol Cousin (Marcus Zechini) 2. 05:39 AM - Re: cool dusk shot (piperj3cubflyer) 3. 05:57 AM - Re: cool dusk shot (gsnewsome) 4. 06:09 AM - Re: cool dusk shot (Gary Boothe) 5. 06:39 AM - Re: cool dusk shot (Jeff Souders) 6. 06:57 AM - Re: A Pietenpol Cousin (Jerry Dotson) 7. 07:00 AM - Re: cool dusk shot (Gary Boothe) 8. 07:58 AM - Smoke Systems !!!! ???? (erik finster) 9. 10:03 AM - Re: Re: A Pietenpol Cousin (Gerry Holland) 10. 12:13 PM - Waynesville fly-in and airshow, let's all go! (Douwe Blumberg) 11. 12:24 PM - Help us Noobs out (gsnewsome) 12. 12:31 PM - Re: Spar analysis (dgaldrich) 13. 12:35 PM - Re: Help us Noobs out (tools) 14. 12:42 PM - Re: Help us Noobs out (dgaldrich) 15. 01:18 PM - Re: Re: Spar analysis (Gene Rambo) 16. 02:03 PM - Re: 3 Corvair Engines Available (Greg Bacon) 17. 02:14 PM - Re: Spar analysis (jarheadpilot82) 18. 02:18 PM - Re: Brodhead Report (Baldeagle) 19. 02:18 PM - control pulleys (AG) 20. 02:24 PM - Re: Brodhead Report (jarheadpilot82) 21. 02:28 PM - Re: Help us Noobs out (jarheadpilot82) 22. 03:38 PM - Re: Brodhead Report (Baldeagle) 23. 03:38 PM - Re: Help us Noobs out (Boatright, Jeffrey) 24. 04:04 PM - Re: Brodhead rigging project - 2014 (Lawrence Williams) 25. 04:47 PM - Re: Brodhead Report (IGETIT) 26. 05:59 PM - Re: Brodhead Report (tools) 27. 06:37 PM - Re: Brodhead Report (jarheadpilot82) 28. 06:42 PM - Re: Brodhead rigging project - 2014 (jarheadpilot82) 29. 07:19 PM - Re: Help us Noobs out (Jack Phillips) 30. 07:32 PM - Re: Help us Noobs out (Steven Dortch) 31. 08:07 PM - Mounting a Venturi (Steven Dortch) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:28:47 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: A Pietenpol Cousin From: Marcus Zechini Years ago, after getting tailwheel endorsement, flying a 1952 C-170B out of Dulles, yes Washington Dulles International, a friend offered a flight in his Corben Baby Ace. Since a single-place, I was hesitant. Also, l thought, why would anyone want that. You can't really travel in it. I flew it, and immediately understood. That flight a part of the reason I have a Pietenpol now. On Aug 2, 2014 1:30 AM, "Gerry Holland" wrote: > In an email conversation with Mike Cuy he suggested I circulate some basic > details of my Corben Ace as a cousin of the Piet. > It too saw the light of day in 1929 as a homebuilt plan. > I live in England, the home of a few great Pietenpols and it seems natural > to keep an eye on their life here and also the US fraternity and beyond. > In fact I have the last Corben in Europe as far as I know. I crashed the > second to last in 2012! Oops! Total write off. > Mine is around 50+ years old and ex-Savannah, GA, an import. I reassembled > it and rebuilt as necessary after buying as a dismantled unit. > I sent my very tired A65-8 to be professionally rebuilt and it turns a > vintage Flottorp 72" X 50" Prop. Again old but overhauled at Hercules Props. > http://www.hercprops.com/ > The Corben uses a Clark Y Airfoil full stop and a 26 foot span. It flies > beautifully. > I decided to go for shabby chic with polished aluminium and latex paint > rolled on the rest. Great fun but it does look odd to any observer passing > to see an aircraft being rolled with paint. > The finish is dull but in keeping. > A Thank you to Douwe, Oscar and others for sharing their Piet's. Gave me > lots of ideas. > If you visit UK give me a shout for a beer. I'm in the West Country in > Somerset. > Obligatory photo attached. > Regards > Gerry > > *Gerry Holland* > > *gholland@content-stream.co.uk +44 (0)7808 > 402404 <%2B44%20%280%297808%20402404>* > > > *White Ox Mead Airstrip, Bath. England* > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:39:16 AM PST US From: piperj3cubflyer Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: cool dusk shot Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 2, 2014, at 7:18 PM, "Douwe Blumberg" wrote: > > Smoke 'em if you got 'em!! >
________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:57:20 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: cool dusk shot From: "gsnewsome" You guys are having way too much fun! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=427855#427855 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:09:39 AM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: cool dusk shot Piperj3cubflyer, How much oil deposit, if any, do get on your struts, fuselage and tail? Gary Boothe NX308MB From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of piperj3cubflyer Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2014 5:38 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: cool dusk shot ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:39:33 AM PST US From: Jeff Souders Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: cool dusk shot The tail not too bad but the fuselage gets covered and the struts are just dripping with oil. I'm going to try to reduce the amount of oil I'm putting into the exhaust too see if that helps. Thanks Jeff On Aug 3, 2014, at 8:09 AM, Gary Boothe wrote: > Piperj3cubflyer, > > How much oil deposit, if any, do get on your struts, fuselage and tail? > > Gary Boothe > NX308MB > > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of piperj3cubflyer > Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2014 5:38 AM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: cool dusk shot > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:57:25 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: A Pietenpol Cousin From: "Jerry Dotson" Gerry, I am so proud you got airborne again. It is just as pretty as the other one! Jerry -------- Jerry Dotson First flight June 16,2012 Flying in phase 2 Lycoming O-235 C2C Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44 do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=427859#427859 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:00:06 AM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: cool dusk shot Thanks! I have short pipes. Thinking a #70 drill hole, for starters. Gary Boothe NX308MB From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Souders Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2014 6:39 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: cool dusk shot The tail not too bad but the fuselage gets covered and the struts are just dripping with oil. I'm going to try to reduce the amount of oil I'm putting into the exhaust too see if that helps. Thanks Jeff On Aug 3, 2014, at 8:09 AM, Gary Boothe wrote: Piperj3cubflyer, How much oil deposit, if any, do get on your struts, fuselage and tail? Gary Boothe NX308MB From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [ mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of piperj3cubflyer Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2014 5:38 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: cool dusk shot href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List purple; text-decoration: underline;">http://forums.matronics.com style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:58:46 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Smoke Systems !!!! ???? From: erik finster Dear Pietenpol Enthusiasts My name is Erik This is my second post but i read the forum daily . I have a Pietenpol Project started (wing rib jig) , engine and instruments gathered .......A long slow process !!!! We have a 1964 65 hp Aeronca7acman Champ that I fly until my Pete is finished. I have worked in the Air Show business for 30 odd years ..... Has anyone considered the long term efforts of smoke oil on fabric ? I have seen many a good Air Show airplane be recovered earlier than expected ......seems the smoke oil does funny things to the fabric/dope . Some guys go so far as to degrease their airplane's after each performance. Something to consider. Just my thoughts. ........ Cheers Erik ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:03:30 AM PST US From: Gerry Holland Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: A Pietenpol Cousin Jerry Hi and thanks for your good wishes. It flies well so all has worked out! Hope all well with you. Regards Gerry ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 12:13:20 PM PST US From: "Douwe Blumberg" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Waynesville fly-in and airshow, let's all go! Mike and anyone else interested, the Waynesville (red stewart field) annual Labor Day air show and fly-in will be August 30 and 31. There is an airshow on the afternoon f the 30th and one that evening, but we can fly in earlier that day. The 31st is the "taildragger" fly-in with a pancake breakfast. Since there's so many piets in the surrounding areas, it would be really fun if we could get a bunch up there. Here's the link again http://www.stewartsaircraft.net/airshow-2014.html the field's website is www.stewartsaircraft.net Mike D, my airfield designator is k62. Gene Snyder near Falmouth KY. It's about 45 minutes south of Waynesville, though you're gonna have to land on asphalt. Douwe ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 12:24:04 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Help us Noobs out From: "gsnewsome" What was the deciding factor in choosing the Piet? This may help a few others take the plunge... Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=427870#427870 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 12:31:02 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Spar analysis From: "dgaldrich" I concur with the other guys above. There is nothing that requires all posts be read. As for the content of the thread, I'm interested in it, not because I want to redesign anything or prove that BHP was a genius but because it's an interesting intellectual exercise. I enjoy learning about new and different subjects that have relevance to aviation whether it's Pietenpol specific or not. There are some on this list who see no value in it and they are entitled to their opinion. For them to condemn those who want to learn and explore is a violation of my mother's dictum of "If you can't say something nice, SHUT UP!!!" Dave Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=427871#427871 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 12:35:42 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Help us Noobs out From: "tools" For me: 1. I'm a woodworker, and it's a wood airplane 2. Not expensive in the "normal ways", instruments, complicated wheels/brakes, big pricey motor, etc 3. While people complain, the plans are pretty complete. MUCH more so than a bunch of others I scrutinized carefully. You DON'T need to be an aeronautical engineer to build it. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=427872#427872 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 12:42:09 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Help us Noobs out From: "dgaldrich" There are several things about the Pietenpol that set it apart. 1. It has a fascinating history. 2. It's built out of readily available materials. 3. It's got an open cockpit and tandem seat. 4. There are a number of reasonable engine choices. 5. The Pietenpol community is beyond compare for support and general overall "niceness". Civil discourse is the norm. 6. You can paint "NX1234" in huge letters on the wings just like Lindbergh. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=427873#427873 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 01:18:08 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Spar analysis From: Gene Rambo Jesus Christ...no one has "condemned" anyone, nor suggested they leave the thread, or take it offline, or anything else. I TRIED to encourage someone to pick a reasonable max gross weight and move on with building. The whole, never-ending stress analysis is interesting but not particularly helpful for choosing a max gross unless you are going to continue the exercise for the entire aircraft. The strut fittings or wing attach bolts are likely to fail long before reaching a limit for the spars themselves which were being discussed. All of those getting on a high horse and "defending" the others' rights to keep posting need to step back and look at what was actually being said, and what was not being said. You are right, if I don't want to hear it I don't have to read. The stress analysis was interesting, the hysteria is not. I've unsubscribed before for over a year, I guess I should have stayed there. Like Gallagher said "why can't the TV have more intelligent programming? I keep turning up the brightness but it doesn't help!" I'll SHUT UP and unsubscribe, again. Gene On Aug 3, 2014, at 3:30 PM, "dgaldrich" wrote: > > I concur with the other guys above. There is nothing that requires all posts be read. > > As for the content of the thread, I'm interested in it, not because I want to redesign anything or prove that BHP was a genius but because it's an interesting intellectual exercise. I enjoy learning about new and different subjects that have relevance to aviation whether it's Pietenpol specific or not. > > There are some on this list who see no value in it and they are entitled to their opinion. For them to condemn those who want to learn and explore is a violation of my mother's dictum of "If you can't say something nice, SHUT UP!!!" > > Dave > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=427871#427871 > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 02:03:16 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 3 Corvair Engines Available From: Greg Bacon Everyone, The Corvair engines are no longer available. Thanks to everyone that expressed interest. On Sat, Aug 2, 2014 at 11:43 AM, Greg Bacon wrote: > Hi Everyone! > > I'm no longer interested in a WW conversion. I have 3 Corvair engines > (all 110 HP), one turns freely, one is locked up, and one is disassembled > with some good parts available. I would like $500 for everything. I > reside near Columbia, MO. Contact me off-list if interested. > > Do not archive > > -- > Greg Bacon > > * > > > * > > -- Greg Bacon ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 02:14:43 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Spar analysis From: "jarheadpilot82" Gene, Promise?! -------- Semper Fi, Terry Hand Athens, GA USMC, USMCR, ATP BVD DVD PDQ BBQ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=427879#427879 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 02:18:28 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Brodhead Report From: "Baldeagle" Are you suggesting that the "fun" of having everybody going in different directions over the top of the fly-in is more important than the safety of having everyone go in the same direction? - -------- do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=427880#427880 ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 02:18:31 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: control pulleys From: "AG" Hi, I'm getting ready to order the materials for the control system and I'm wondering about control pulleys... Which ones are you guys using? Aircraft spruce has some phenolic or poly ones. Is there a better source? Thanks, Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=427881#427881 ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 02:24:32 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Brodhead Report From: "jarheadpilot82" Bald eagle, I could be wrong but I took Dan's comment to be more of a commentary on the source than the message it self. At least that is how I took it. -------- Semper Fi, Terry Hand Athens, GA USMC, USMCR, ATP BVD DVD PDQ BBQ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=427882#427882 ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 02:28:44 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Help us Noobs out From: "jarheadpilot82" 1. It is LSA compliant for those of us pentagenarians and older who may get tired of arguing with the FAA over physicals. 2. I have shown Pietenpol pictures to probably 200 co-pilots I have flown with and the first word out of the mouths is virtually the same with all of them- COOL!! -------- Semper Fi, Terry Hand Athens, GA USMC, USMCR, ATP BVD DVD PDQ BBQ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=427883#427883 ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 03:38:12 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Brodhead Report From: "Baldeagle" Oh, hard to see tongue in cheek on the internet, my mistake- - -------- do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=427891#427891 ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 03:38:35 PM PST US From: "Boatright, Jeffrey" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Help us Noobs out VGllZCBmb3IgbXkgbnVtYmVyIDEgcmVhc29uOiBUaGUgaGlzdG9yeSBvZiB0aGUgZGVzaWduIGFu ZCB0aGUgcGVvcGxlIGl0IGF0dHJhY3RzIChpbmNsdWRpbmcgbXkgcGFydG5lcnMgaW4gdGhlIHBs YW5lIOKAlCBteSBkYWQgYW5kIG9uZSBvZiBteSBvbGRlc3QgZnJpZW5kcykuDQoNCg0KDQotLQ0K DQpKZWZmcmV5IEguIEJvYXRyaWdodCwgUGhELCBGQVJWTw0KUHJvZmVzc29yIG9mIE9waHRoYWxt b2xvZ3kNCkVtb3J5IFVuaXZlcnNpdHkgU2Nob29sIG9mIE1lZGljaW5lDQoNCkZyb206IGdzbmV3 c29tZSA8bmV3ZmFpdGhrYXRAd2luZHN0cmVhbS5uZXQ8bWFpbHRvOm5ld2ZhaXRoa2F0QHdpbmRz dHJlYW0ubmV0Pj4NClJlcGx5LVRvOiAicGlldGVucG9sLWxpc3RAbWF0cm9uaWNzLmNvbTxtYWls dG86cGlldGVucG9sLWxpc3RAbWF0cm9uaWNzLmNvbT4iIDxwaWV0ZW5wb2wtbGlzdEBtYXRyb25p Y3MuY29tPG1haWx0bzpwaWV0ZW5wb2wtbGlzdEBtYXRyb25pY3MuY29tPj4NCkRhdGU6IFN1bmRh eSwgQXVndXN0IDMsIDIwMTQgYXQgMzoyMyBQTQ0KVG86ICJwaWV0ZW5wb2wtbGlzdEBtYXRyb25p Y3MuY29tPG1haWx0bzpwaWV0ZW5wb2wtbGlzdEBtYXRyb25pY3MuY29tPiIgPHBpZXRlbnBvbC1s aXN0QG1hdHJvbmljcy5jb208bWFpbHRvOnBpZXRlbnBvbC1saXN0QG1hdHJvbmljcy5jb20+Pg0K U3ViamVjdDogUGlldGVucG9sLUxpc3Q6IEhlbHAgdXMgTm9vYnMgb3V0DQoNCi0tPiBQaWV0ZW5w b2wtTGlzdCBtZXNzYWdlIHBvc3RlZCBieTogImdzbmV3c29tZSIgPG5ld2ZhaXRoa2F0QHdpbmRz dHJlYW0ubmV0PG1haWx0bzpuZXdmYWl0aGthdEB3aW5kc3RyZWFtLm5ldD4+DQoNCldoYXQgd2Fz IHRoZSBkZWNpZGluZyBmYWN0b3IgaW4gY2hvb3NpbmcgdGhlIFBpZXQ/DQoNClRoaXMgbWF5IGhl bHAgYSBmZXcgb3RoZXJzIHRha2UgdGhlIHBsdW5nZS4uLg0KDQoNCg0KDQpSZWFkIHRoaXMgdG9w aWMgb25saW5lIGhlcmU6DQoNCmh0dHA6Ly9mb3J1bXMubWF0cm9uaWNzLmNvbS92aWV3dG9waWMu cGhwP3A9NDI3ODcwIzQyNzg3MA0KDQoNCg0KDQoNCg0KDQpfLT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09 PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PQ0KXy09ICAgICAgICAgIC0g VGhlIFBpZXRlbnBvbC1MaXN0IEVtYWlsIEZvcnVtIC0NCl8tPSBVc2UgdGhlIE1hdHJvbmljcyBM aXN0IEZlYXR1cmVzIE5hdmlnYXRvciB0byBicm93c2UNCl8tPSB0aGUgbWFueSBMaXN0IHV0aWxp dGllcyBzdWNoIGFzIExpc3QgVW4vU3Vic2NyaXB0aW9uLA0KXy09IEFyY2hpdmUgU2VhcmNoICYg RG93bmxvYWQsIDctRGF5IEJyb3dzZSwgQ2hhdCwgRkFRLA0KXy09IFBob3Rvc2hhcmUsIGFuZCBt dWNoIG11Y2ggbW9yZToNCl8tPQ0KXy09ICAgLS0+IGh0dHA6Ly93d3cubWF0cm9uaWNzLmNvbS9O YXZpZ2F0b3I/UGlldGVucG9sLUxpc3QNCl8tPQ0KXy09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09 PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT0NCl8tPSAgICAgICAgICAgICAgIC0g TUFUUk9OSUNTIFdFQiBGT1JVTVMgLQ0KXy09IFNhbWUgZ3JlYXQgY29udGVudCBhbHNvIGF2YWls YWJsZSB2aWEgdGhlIFdlYiBGb3J1bXMhDQpfLT0NCl8tPSAgIC0tPiBodHRwOi8vZm9ydW1zLm1h dHJvbmljcy5jb20NCl8tPQ0KXy09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09 PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT0NCl8tPSAgICAgICAgICAgICAtIExpc3QgQ29udHJpYnV0 aW9uIFdlYiBTaXRlIC0NCl8tPSAgVGhhbmsgeW91IGZvciB5b3VyIGdlbmVyb3VzIHN1cHBvcnQh DQpfLT0gICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAtTWF0dCBEcmFsbGUsIExpc3QgQWRt aW4uDQpfLT0gICAtLT4gaHR0cDovL3d3dy5tYXRyb25pY3MuY29tL2NvbnRyaWJ1dGlvbg0KXy09 PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09 PT0NCg0KDQoNCg0KDQpfX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fXw0KDQpUaGlzIGUt bWFpbCBtZXNzYWdlIChpbmNsdWRpbmcgYW55IGF0dGFjaG1lbnRzKSBpcyBmb3IgdGhlIHNvbGUg dXNlIG9mDQp0aGUgaW50ZW5kZWQgcmVjaXBpZW50KHMpIGFuZCBtYXkgY29udGFpbiBjb25maWRl bnRpYWwgYW5kIHByaXZpbGVnZWQNCmluZm9ybWF0aW9uLiBJZiB0aGUgcmVhZGVyIG9mIHRoaXMg bWVzc2FnZSBpcyBub3QgdGhlIGludGVuZGVkDQpyZWNpcGllbnQsIHlvdSBhcmUgaGVyZWJ5IG5v dGlmaWVkIHRoYXQgYW55IGRpc3NlbWluYXRpb24sIGRpc3RyaWJ1dGlvbg0Kb3IgY29weWluZyBv ZiB0aGlzIG1lc3NhZ2UgKGluY2x1ZGluZyBhbnkgYXR0YWNobWVudHMpIGlzIHN0cmljdGx5DQpw cm9oaWJpdGVkLg0KDQpJZiB5b3UgaGF2ZSByZWNlaXZlZCB0aGlzIG1lc3NhZ2UgaW4gZXJyb3Is IHBsZWFzZSBjb250YWN0DQp0aGUgc2VuZGVyIGJ5IHJlcGx5IGUtbWFpbCBtZXNzYWdlIGFuZCBk ZXN0cm95IGFsbCBjb3BpZXMgb2YgdGhlDQpvcmlnaW5hbCBtZXNzYWdlIChpbmNsdWRpbmcgYXR0 YWNobWVudHMpLg0K ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 04:04:34 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead rigging project - 2014 From: Lawrence Williams Geez. Where's the flippin delete button! ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 04:47:54 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Brodhead Report From: "IGETIT" Well now that I have officially joined this site and can break in I would like to lighten the mood a bit at this time to say thank you to everyone that worked very hard to make our first trip to a broadhead pietenpol and hatz fly in the most enjoyable that I have ever attended. I was very impressed how the meals were well organized, pleasantly servered and most importantly delicious! I had never heard of a fish boil but now you have me hooked,no pun intended. The only trash I seen was a napkin blowing across the taxiway on Friday when we had above 15mph gust so thank you to the crews collecting all the trash I have never been to a cleaner event. A couple years ago my dad said he wanted to build an airplane and with me currently a student pilot at 39 and him at 60ish and had his pilots license at 16 I was very excited. I had never even thought of building an airplane and maybe a even a little hesitant. As of now he has built his verticle and horizontal stabilizer and wing ribs and has the lumber for the fuselage. So you can imagine the questions we had for everyone we met and who could give advice or answers to us so I would like to say thank you everyone we had a chance to meet over the 4 days we were there. I would like to give a added huge thank you to Tools for my first pietenpol flight and reassuring me that these aircraft are an absolute pleasure to fly. That weekend has really inspired me and has given me that spark I needed to keep flying because....... I don't want fly. I have to fly. Sincerely,John Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=427894#427894 ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 05:59:50 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Brodhead Report From: "tools" It cost me over a thousand dollars and a bunch of nights on the ground to get my Piet to brodhead. There's only ONE reason I did it... To give someone a ride that NEEDS one! I did that a BUNCH of times over. Priceless! And I still have to fly it back south... and probably north again next summer. PRICELESS! Probably do it again next year. For the SAME reason. I had the BEST time EVER!! Cheers, Tools Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=427896#427896 ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 06:37:11 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Brodhead Report From: "jarheadpilot82" John, Welcome. There are at least one or two builders that have built their aircraft and did not fly until the latter part of the build so you are in good company. I wish you and your dad the best as you build. -------- Semper Fi, Terry Hand Athens, GA USMC, USMCR, ATP BVD DVD PDQ BBQ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=427897#427897 ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 06:42:58 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Brodhead rigging project - 2014 From: "jarheadpilot82" Larry, Same place it was the last time you asked. -------- Semper Fi, Terry Hand Athens, GA USMC, USMCR, ATP BVD DVD PDQ BBQ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=427898#427898 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_544_708.jpg ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 07:19:57 PM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Help us Noobs out For me, the main attraction was that I used to own a Piper J-3 Cub, until my practice wife came home one day and opened a bill for hangar rent and gave me an ultimatum: "Either the airplane goes, or I go". Foolishly, I sold the airplane (I should have just divorced her on the spot and saved myself 12 years of misery). Anyway, as the marriage was ending I realized I really missed that Cub, but by then Cub prices were out of sight and I couldn't afford one (still can't). I had flown a Pietenpol years before (actually it was a GN-1) and found it to fly very much like a Cub, so when I decided to build a plane, it was a natural choice. I also was attracted to a wooden airplane since I didn't know how to weld. I quickly found there are an awful lot of welded parts on this airplane, so I bought an oxy-acetylene rig and had a good welder come and give me some instruction. By the time I was done, I was a fair welder and am pleased with the welds on my plane (although the aileron horns, which were the first parts I welded, look pretty rough). If you want something with really good performance, build an RV or a Zenith. However, if you want an airplane that will turn heads on the ramp, and fly like a good honest airplane, build a Pietenpol. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of gsnewsome Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2014 3:24 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Help us Noobs out What was the deciding factor in choosing the Piet? This may help a few others take the plunge... Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=427870#427870 ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 07:32:58 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Help us Noobs out From: Steven Dortch I have always loved planes and love low and slow flying. An old buddy and I have put in many an flight in his 1947 Aeronca Champ. I had looked at Piets in magazines and thought them pretty classic. Then that @#$%^$%, @$%$#, )(f*^%))!!!!!, Oscar Zuniga, took me up in Scout, Despite not having a headset (he did ask) I had a blast. After that I was hooked and was trying to convince the wife to let me get one. Then that $@$%$^@#, John Kuhfahl offered me first shot at a plane he had done a lot of work on. It was 90% complete! "Steve, All you need to do is assemble it!" Well, I hope to fly it before the end of September, Well over a year later. I can hardly wait. Blue Skies, Steve D On Sun, Aug 3, 2014 at 9:19 PM, Jack Phillips wrote: > jack@bedfordlandings.com> > > For me, the main attraction was that I used to own a Piper J-3 Cub, until > my > practice wife came home one day and opened a bill for hangar rent and gave > me an ultimatum: "Either the airplane goes, or I go". Foolishly, I sold > the airplane (I should have just divorced her on the spot and saved myself > 12 years of misery). > > Anyway, as the marriage was ending I realized I really missed that Cub, but > by then Cub prices were out of sight and I couldn't afford one (still > can't). I had flown a Pietenpol years before (actually it was a GN-1) and > found it to fly very much like a Cub, so when I decided to build a plane, > it > was a natural choice. > > I also was attracted to a wooden airplane since I didn't know how to weld. > I quickly found there are an awful lot of welded parts on this airplane, so > I bought an oxy-acetylene rig and had a good welder come and give me some > instruction. By the time I was done, I was a fair welder and am pleased > with the welds on my plane (although the aileron horns, which were the > first > parts I welded, look pretty rough). > > If you want something with really good performance, build an RV or a > Zenith. > However, if you want an airplane that will turn heads on the ramp, and fly > like a good honest airplane, build a Pietenpol. > > Jack Phillips > NX899JP > Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of gsnewsome > Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2014 3:24 PM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Help us Noobs out > > > > What was the deciding factor in choosing the Piet? > > This may help a few others take the plunge... > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=427870#427870 > > -- Blue Skies, Steve D ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 08:07:20 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Mounting a Venturi From: Steven Dortch While I am not going to put a needle and ball or turn and bank or any other gyro on the plane, I thought this might be of interest for those who might want to. Old Bod, is an old aviator, VERY well respected, and VERY experienced, (Stearman owner and flew Airliners from DC3 to the 747. He has a venturi mounted in the exhaust stream. He has had it that way for years.Here is what he says in response to a question about it: "Have not had any ice or fouling problem with a venturi mounted in the exhaust stream. If you will note, that is the way venturi's tended to be mounted on the aircraft of the thirties. Mounting them on the side of the fuselage, as was done by Cessna and North American in the late forties and early fifties, was dumb! I once asked a Cessna salesman why they had the venturi's so mounted on the 172 and he said it was to keep that tiny slot clean. Seems he and some of the modern Cessna folks did not realize that the air comes out of the tiny slot and not in! While I imagine it is possible to foul a venturi with ice, I have not experienced that yet and have had a fair amount of ice on this airframe and many older airplanes I have owned which were so equipped over the years. Have been very pleased with the performance of my nice little brass venturi mounted in the exhaust stream. No corrosion problems and no failures at all. Those guys back in the thirties really DID know what they were doing! Happy Skies, Old Bob" I am sure someone will get mad because this idea is not on the Flying and Glider plans! ;+} Blue Skies, Steve D -- Blue Skies, Steve D ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.