Pietenpol-List Digest Archive

Tue 08/05/14


Total Messages Posted: 21



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     1. 04:06 AM - Re: Re: Flight Test Book Opinions (Michael Perez)
     2. 04:06 AM - Pietenpol N8031 with smoke on takeoff (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Partners, LLC])
     3. 04:17 AM - Gerry's A-65 Pietenpol Cousin in England, UK Pietenpol Club  (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Partners, LLC])
     4. 04:34 AM - Re: how far down the stack to inject smoke oil (Jack)
     5. 04:52 AM - resend-- N8031 on takeoff with smoke  (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Partners, LLC])
     6. 05:32 AM - how far down the stack to inject smoke oil (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Partners, LLC])
     7. 05:48 AM - Re: how far down the stack to inject smoke oil (Jack)
     8. 06:07 AM - flight testing and my Uncle.......... (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Partners, LLC])
     9. 06:33 AM - Re: flight testing and my Uncle.......... (larharris2 Harris)
    10. 07:28 AM - fog shot (Douwe Blumberg)
    11. 08:03 AM - Re: Gerry's A-65 Pietenpol Cousin in England, UK Pietenpol Club (Steven Dortch)
    12. 08:14 AM - Re: Gerry's A-65 Pietenpol Cousin in England, UK Pietenpol Club (AircamperN11MS)
    13. 08:18 AM - Re: Gerry's A-65 Pietenpol Cousin in England, UK Pietenpol Club (Gerry Holland)
    14. 10:25 AM - !Q (aerocarjake)
    15. 10:35 AM - Broadhead photo (Robert Rice)
    16. 01:00 PM - Re: Broadhead photo (aerocarjake)
    17. 07:15 PM - Re: Broadhead photo (tools)
    18. 07:23 PM - nostaligia (Douwe Blumberg)
    19. 07:36 PM - Pietenpol elevator droop is NOT mythical... (Douwe Blumberg)
    20. 07:38 PM - Re: nostaligia (tools)
    21. 07:59 PM - FW: Pietenpol Article (Gary Boothe)
 
 
 


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    Time: 04:06:35 AM PST US
    From: Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net>
    Subject: Re: Flight Test Book Opinions
    Thanks for the added options. I'll be looking into these so that I can buil d a good understanding of what needs to be done and how to do it. I have pl enty of time as I won't be test flying until next summer at the earliest. =0A=0A-=0AIf God is your co-pilot, switch seats=0AMike Perez=0AKaretaker Aero=0AJury Strut Fabrication/Installation


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    Time: 04:06:57 AM PST US
    From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>
    Subject: Pietenpol N8031 with smoke on takeoff
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    Time: 04:17:58 AM PST US
    From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>
    Subject: Gerry's A-65 Pietenpol Cousin in England, UK Pietenpol
    Club Gerry----what a great looking little airplane and you must have great fun w ith it over in England. Love the windshield and polished aluminum cowling . Your prop is a piece of history and so cool that you had it refurbished and you are still keeping it doing what it was made for. You'd fit right in at the Brodhead fly-in or any little airplane fly-in in the USA so if you're ever over here -----please look one of us up and I'm sure we'll be able to get you a fligh t in a Pietenpol. It is really impressive to see all the great Pietenpol activity in the UK t oo! http://www.pietenpolclub.co.uk/ Mike C. [cid:image003.png@01CFB07D.425522B0] From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-lis t-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Boothe Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2014 11:53 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: A Pietenpol Cousin Very nice, Gerry! A friend owns two...quick (compared to the Piet!) and stu rdy little planes. Gary Boothe NX308MB From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com<mailto:owner-pietenpol-list -server@matronics.com> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] O n Behalf Of Gerry Holland Sent: Friday, August 01, 2014 10:22 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: A Pietenpol Cousin In an email conversation with Mike Cuy he suggested I circulate some basic details of my Corben Ace as a cousin of the Piet. It too saw the light of day in 1929 as a homebuilt plan. I live in England, the home of a few great Pietenpols and it seems natural to keep an eye on their life here and also the US fraternity and beyond. In fact I have the last Corben in Europe as far as I know. I crashed the se cond to last in 2012! Oops! Total write off. Mine is around 50+ years old and ex-Savannah, GA, an import. I reassembled it and rebuilt as necessary after buying as a dismantled unit. I sent my very tired A65-8 to be professionally rebuilt and it turns a vint age Flottorp 72" X 50" Prop. Again old but overhauled at Hercules Props. http://www.hercprops.com/ The Corben uses a Clark Y Airfoil full stop and a 26 foot span. It flies be autifully. I decided to go for shabby chic with polished aluminium and latex paint rol led on the rest. Great fun but it does look odd to any observer passing to see an aircraft being rolled with paint. The finish is dull but in keeping. A Thank you to Douwe, Oscar and others for sharing their Piet's. Gave me lo ts of ideas. If you visit UK give me a shout for a beer. I'm in the West Country in Some rset. Obligatory photo attached. Regards Gerry Gerry Holland gholland@content-stream.co.uk<mailto:gholland@content-stream.co.uk> +44 (0)7808 402404 [cid:image004.jpg@01CFB07D.425522B0] White Ox Mead Airstrip, Bath. England [cid:image005.jpg@01CFB07D.425522B0]


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    Time: 04:34:54 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: how far down the stack to inject smoke oil
    From: Jack <jack@textors.com>
    Thanks Mike! Looks like the fitting is brazed on? Not to make it complicate d, no back flow problems? Does the pipe protrude into the exhaust? Sent from my iPad Jack Textor > On Aug 4, 2014, at 2:01 PM, "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Partners, L LC]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov> wrote: > > Jack Textor----sorry it took me a while to check my e-mail but here is a p hoto of where I inject my smoke oil------it is closer than I remember > to the exhaust flange but must be good and hot to vaporize the oil! > > > <image001.png>


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    Time: 04:52:51 AM PST US
    From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>
    Subject: resend-- N8031 on takeoff with smoke
    Jeff! Your video was great, especially in light of the fact that your son didn't know you installed the smoke system. You can tell he really enjoyed it once he realized the engine wasn't having a problem. Very cool stuff. Your home airport looks like the perfect place to keep a Pietenpol! Mike C. Thanks Mike for the smoker system idea! Here a video of my son and myself and he did not know I installed the smoker system! Thanks Jeff N8031 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqNkgQo2e5Q&sns=em


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    Time: 05:32:15 AM PST US
    From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>
    Subject: how far down the stack to inject smoke oil
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    Time: 05:48:50 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: how far down the stack to inject smoke oil
    From: Jack <jack@textors.com>
    Thanks Uncle Mike! Sent from my iPad Jack Textor > On Aug 5, 2014, at 7:31 AM, "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Partners, L LC]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov> wrote: > > Jack=94I welded my fitting to the exhaust pipe Jack but I suppose br azing would work well also. The poly spray bottle has a check valve of som e sort > built in so when you=99re not flowing oil the exhaust gas backpressu re isn=99t a factor as far as I can tell. Good question though. Al though I don=99t have one > a simple in-line liquid one way check valve might not be a bad idea. > > The fitting is simply welded to the exhaust stack and doesn=99t prot rude at all into the stack. The only holes that are drilled are two No. 6 0 holes spaced > about 1/8=9D apart from each other in the wall of the exhaust pipe. > > Actually I welded my fitting onto the exhaust stack and then drilled the N o. 60 drill holes in the center of the =C2=BC=9D opening of the fittin g. > > Mike C. > > Below I used a piece of conduit to illustrate how the two holes look in th e exhaust pipe and the various fittings one might use to weld/braze onto > the exhaust pipe wall. > > <image001.jpg> > > <smoke injection fittings and exhaust pipe holes.JPG>


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    Time: 06:07:56 AM PST US
    From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>
    Subject: flight testing and my Uncle..........
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    Time: 06:33:10 AM PST US
    From: larharris2 Harris <larharris2@msn.com>
    Subject: flight testing and my Uncle..........
    Mike C.=2C Excellent advice in the First Flight article that you link to. I don't recall if I've read the other Flight Test articles from SA=2C but I'm on my way to look them up. Always good food for thought from Uncle Tony . Lorenzo


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    Time: 07:28:05 AM PST US
    From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg@earthlink.net>
    Subject: fog shot
    Here's a cool one from springfield-Beckley Barnstormer's weekend Douwe


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    Time: 08:03:16 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Gerry's A-65 Pietenpol Cousin in England, UK Pietenpol
    Club
    From: Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch@gmail.com>
    Does it have a door? It looks harder to get into that a Piet. Blue Skies, Steve D On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 6:17 AM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Partners, LLC] <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov> wrote: > Gerry----what a great looking little airplane and you must have great > fun with it over in England. Love the windshield and polished aluminum > cowling. > > Your prop is a piece of history and so cool that you had it refurbished > and you are still keeping it doing what it was made for. You=99d fit right > in at the Brodhead > > fly-in or any little airplane fly-in in the USA so if you=99re ever over > here-----please look one of us up and I=99m sure we=99ll be a ble to get you a > flight in a Pietenpol. > > It is really impressive to see all the great Pietenpol activity in the UK > too! http://www.pietenpolclub.co.uk/ > > > Mike C. > > > *From:* owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: > owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Gary Boothe > *Sent:* Saturday, August 02, 2014 11:53 PM > *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* RE: Pietenpol-List: A Pietenpol Cousin > > > Very nice, Gerry! A friend owns twoquick (compared to the Piet!) and > sturdy little planes. > > > Gary Boothe > > NX308MB > > > *From:* owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [ > mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > <owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com>] *On Behalf Of *Gerry Holland > *Sent:* Friday, August 01, 2014 10:22 PM > *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* Pietenpol-List: A Pietenpol Cousin > > > In an email conversation with Mike Cuy he suggested I circulate some basi c > details of my Corben Ace as a cousin of the Piet. > > It too saw the light of day in 1929 as a homebuilt plan. > > I live in England, the home of a few great Pietenpols and it seems natura l > to keep an eye on their life here and also the US fraternity and beyond. > > In fact I have the last Corben in Europe as far as I know. I crashed the > second to last in 2012! Oops! Total write off. > > Mine is around 50+ years old and ex-Savannah, GA, an import. I reassemble d > it and rebuilt as necessary after buying as a dismantled unit. > > I sent my very tired A65-8 to be professionally rebuilt and it turns a > vintage Flottorp 72" X 50" Prop. Again old but overhauled at Hercules Pro ps. > > http://www.hercprops.com/ > > The Corben uses a Clark Y Airfoil full stop and a 26 foot span. It flies > beautifully. > > I decided to go for shabby chic with polished aluminium and latex paint > rolled on the rest. Great fun but it does look odd to any observer passin g > to see an aircraft being rolled with paint. > > The finish is dull but in keeping. > > A Thank you to Douwe, Oscar and others for sharing their Piet's. Gave me > lots of ideas. > > If you visit UK give me a shout for a beer. I'm in the West Country in > Somerset. > > Obligatory photo attached. > > Regards > > Gerry > > > *Gerry Holland* > > > *gholland@content-stream.co.uk <gholland@content-stream.co.uk>+44 (0)7808 > 402404 <%2B44%20%280%297808%20402404>* > > > *White Ox Mead Airstrip, Bath. England* > > -- Blue Skies, Steve D


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    Time: 08:14:33 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Gerry's A-65 Pietenpol Cousin in England, UK Pietenpol
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    From: "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld@lacity.org>
    Steve, The polished aluminum with the Wing Decal is a door. It is quite large so getting in is not a problem. The D model Baby Ace is a little roomier than the earlier models. They are great little airplanes. -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428026#428026


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    Time: 08:18:59 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Gerry's A-65 Pietenpol Cousin in England, UK Pietenpol
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    From: Gerry Holland <gholland@content-stream.co.uk>
    Yes it does have a forward hingeing door on starboard side. Gerry


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    Time: 10:25:25 AM PST US
    Subject: !Q
    From: "aerocarjake" <flight.jake@gmail.com>
    Hello Good Piet-ple, Had a chance to rout the pockets in my new spar blanks this past weekend. They are now ready to re-install in to the wings. It' feels good to have this portion completed. The pockets are 1/4 inch deep -per plans - and it saved about three pounds per spar. Great to read posts of Brodhead this year - although I have not seen any photos.....?!??! Inspiration to one day attend as well........... Jake -------- Jake Schultz - curator, Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428039#428039 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/routed_rear_spars_203.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/spar_pocket_242.jpg


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    Time: 10:35:59 AM PST US
    From: Robert Rice <ricekrgr@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Broadhead photo
    This photo says it all. Thanks Tools!


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    Time: 01:00:25 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Broadhead photo
    From: "aerocarjake" <flight.jake@gmail.com>
    That's what it's about...... :-) -------- Jake Schultz - curator, Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428051#428051


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    Time: 07:15:23 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Broadhead photo
    From: "tools" <n0kkj@yahoo.com>
    Hehe! You're welcome... but... Do know I had half a mind to head south! But after the flight from north GA, I determined Mexico was WAAAAY to far away! Seriously, thank YOU! A decent night's sleep in that FANTASTIC 50's bus/coach of yours was VERY WELL received! Kinda funny, look at that smile. That was BEFORE we flew. Was even better afterwards! I'm so glad you both trusted me! For the crowd, she was a NERVOUS passenger. FIRST FLIGHT EVER! Took a while before she agreed. Definitely one of the highlights of my weekend. Let's do it again! Tools Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428063#428063


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    Time: 07:23:42 PM PST US
    From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg@earthlink.net>
    Subject: nostaligia
    This is Kankakee, IL where I stopped on the way home. I love this shot because it really feels like you've stepped back in time. The place feels like you've stepped back in time. There's a Stearman behind those doors and the office/lounge hasn't been touched since the forties. Douwe


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    Time: 07:36:46 PM PST US
    From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg@earthlink.net>
    Subject: Pietenpol elevator droop is NOT mythical...
    Ck out the "mythical" elevator droop on both these piets. Re-PIET has more, but they're both down. Very interesting.


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    Time: 07:38:11 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: nostaligia
    From: "tools" <n0kkj@yahoo.com>
    Love this shot, as well as the one with the fog! Any shots of inside the FBO? I need a theme for my bar area in the firehouse... Kankakee is where I got the '29 American LaFrance by the way. Wish I'd have known to stop by the airport! Tools Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428067#428067


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    Time: 07:59:20 PM PST US
    From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5@comcast.net>
    Subject: FW: Pietenpol Article
    There's a person of interest on page 18. Congratulations, Randy!! Gary Boothe NX308MB http://experimenter.epubxp.com/i/323139




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