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1. 03:53 AM - Re: tillotson carb (Michael Perez)
2. 04:12 AM - Re: Re: Building Wing Ribs (danhelsper@aol.com)
3. 04:42 AM - Re: Building Wing Ribs (tools)
4. 05:16 AM - Re: Building Wing Ribs (Michael Perez)
5. 05:23 AM - Jury Strut Kit Pictures (Michael Perez)
6. 05:49 AM - Re: Building Wing Ribs (larharris2 Harris)
7. 05:50 AM - Re: Building Wing Ribs (tools)
8. 05:57 AM - Aerocarb on Ford (Douwe Blumberg)
9. 06:03 AM - Re: Building Wing Ribs (tools)
10. 06:12 AM - Re: Building Wing Ribs (tools)
11. 08:03 AM - Re: Corvair College (wheelharp)
12. 10:44 AM - Re: tillotson carb (Ray Krause)
13. 11:05 AM - Re: Building Wing Ribs (Michael Perez)
14. 11:06 AM - Re: tillotson carb (Michael Perez)
15. 11:12 AM - Re: Carb choice for ford (Michael Perez)
16. 11:36 AM - Re: Aerocarb on Ford (Ray Krause)
17. 11:56 AM - Re: Building Wing Ribs (wheelharp)
18. 12:47 PM - Re: Building Wing Ribs (wheelharp)
19. 01:10 PM - Re: Re: Building Wing Ribs (larharris2 Harris)
20. 01:21 PM - Re: Building Wing Ribs (tools)
21. 02:48 PM - Re: Re: Building Wing Ribs (Gary Boothe)
22. 04:44 PM - Re: Re: Building Wing Ribs (Bill Budgell)
23. 05:27 PM - Re: Building Wing Ribs (jarheadpilot82)
24. 06:25 PM - Re: Building Wing Ribs (tools)
25. 06:28 PM - Re: Re: Building Wing Ribs (Gary Boothe)
26. 06:46 PM - Re: Building Wing Ribs (tools)
27. 08:47 PM - Re: Re: Corvair College (Dick N)
28. 09:36 PM - Re: Re: Building Wing Ribs (Ray Krause)
29. 10:46 PM - Re: Corvair College (William Wynne)
30. 11:08 PM - Rick Schreiber - engine warning (William Wynne)
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| Subject: | Re: tillotson carb |
Ray, if you decide to off load your NS3-B Stromberg, I'd would be intereste
d in it. I'll need one for my other A-65 when I finish the overhaul on it s
omeday.=0A=0A-=0AIf God is your co-pilot, switch seats=0AMike Perez=0AKar
etaker Aero=0AJury Strut Fabrication/Installation
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| Subject: | Re: Building Wing Ribs |
I actually built all my ribs WITHOUT steaming/soaking at all
(these were the days before I knew about the Matronics list)
. After awhile I had heard from the old timers at Brodhead
that these built ribs would begin to break on the complet
ed/flying aircraft. This gave me the heebee geebees so I soa
ked all the completed ribs in a 5 gallon bucket overnight,
in order to release any stress that was there. It worked.
I even had two that broke at the "severe" arch, and had
to make two new ribs from scratch.=0A=0A=0ADan Helsper=0ALoensloe
Airfield=0APuryear, TN=0A=0A=0A=0A-----Original Message-----=0AFrom: Jerry
Dotson <jdotson@centurylink.net>=0ATo: pietenpol-list <pietenpol-list@m
atronics.com>=0ASent: Thu, Aug 14, 2014 4:21 pm=0ASubject: Pietenp
ol-List: Re: Building Wing Ribs=0A=0A=0A--> Pietenpol-List message
posted by: "Jerry Dotson" <jdotson@centurylink.net>=0A=0AThis thread
is very interesting. I tried steaming first and got poor res
ults. =0AThen I soaked them overnight and got great results.
I built several of the =0Adrying jigs. I stack sawed several
. Then let them dry a few days. It was a fun =0Apart o
f building. My drying jigs looked like twin brothers to Terr
y's. When I =0Agot some dry and bent things went great. I
built a finished rib every day and =0Awas a little sad whe
n they were done.=0A=0A--------=0AJerry Dotson=0A=0AFirst flight Jun
e 16,2012=0AFlying in phase 2=0ALycoming O-235 C2C=0AJay Anderson
CloudCars prop 76 X 44=0Ado not archive=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this
topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428461
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| Subject: | Re: Building Wing Ribs |
I've built some ribs using western cedar* without soaking or steaming. They've
been hanging on the wall for years with no ill effects. So, as usual, it all
depends. Probably as much as anything, would be the moisture content of the
wood at the time of bending and what environment the wood lives in afterwards.
I have a feeling most airplane wood goes from indoor MC to outdoor MC which isn't
gonna stress it as much as outdoor wood going indoors.
Also, the grain orientation will matter. Whether the cap strip is quarter, rift
or plain sawn. I don't know the technical answer off the top of my head, but
I've had the best results with plain sawn wood.
*western cedar is both lighter and weaker than spruce, but plenty strong for wing
ribs. I've found where it's been used in a number of home builts over the
years for weight and cost savings. It behaves quite well.
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| Subject: | Re: Building Wing Ribs |
Tools, I am not quite sure I follow your explanation. The first sentence:
--"Wood fibers can be crushed, they CANNOT be stretched."=0AThen Later"
Something as simple as nylon packing tape along the outside radius, will (h
elp) prevent any stretching there,..."If God is your co-pilot, switch seats
=0AMike Perez=0AKaretaker Aero=0AJury Strut Fabrication/Installation
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| Subject: | Jury Strut Kit Pictures |
Crew, I have been asked about the Jury Strut Kit from Carlson Aircraft and
decided to post some pictures of it. It seems to be a very nice kit and the
instructions are easy to read. Most all parts are cut to size and bagged/l
abeled clearly.=0A=0A-=0AIf God is your co-pilot, switch seats=0AMike Per
ez=0AKaretakerAero=0AJury Strut Fabrication/Installation=0A
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| Subject: | Building Wing Ribs |
Mike=2C Tools is correct. Even with all the soaking and steaming=2C you can
only get=2C at best=2C a 2-percent stretch from wood. Some wood=2C not all
. This means that if you try to stretch it=2C it WILL fail. But the soaking
and steaming can make it a bit squishy in compression (Tools' term 'crushe
d' implies failure. We're not looking for failure=2C just compression.)=2C
and it will take a permanent set when the heat/steam/moisture is removed.
When you bend a stick=2C the neutral axis is along the center. The outer ha
lf is in tension=2C and the inner half is in compression. Make too much ten
sion - failure. Exactly what the photos of my failed capstrips show. The te
chnique Tools presented was to connect another strong=2C rigid material to
the outside of the bending wood=2C before it is bent=2C to move the neutral
axis all the way to the outside of the bend=2C thus putting all the load o
n your bent piece of wood into compression. This technique has been used by
furniture makers for centuries.
Lorenzo
From: speedbrake@sbcglobal.net
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Building Wing Ribs
Tools=2C I am not quite sure I follow your explanation. The first sentence:
"Wood fibers can be crushed=2C they CANNOT be stretched."Then Later"Somet
hing as simple as nylon packing tape along the outside radius=2C will (help
) prevent any stretching there=2C..." If God is your co-pilot=2C switch sea
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| Subject: | Re: Building Wing Ribs |
Hey Mike, not the most intuitive thing... let me try to explain.
First, does the explanation about when you "free bend", meaning just hang onto
a piece of wood and bend it, that the outside half of the wood is in tension,
the middle of the wood is neutral, and the inside is in compression?
This is a basic force diagram sort of thing for a beam across a span sort of situation.
To give a better verbalized pictorial, assume the beam is being held on the ends,
in the middle. As in they taper to a point and are being supported by those
points, near the center of the beam.
As the beam bends from gravity (or a load), the outside radius is in tension.
The beam is trying to stretch. The middle sees no compression or tension, only
bending. The inside of the radius sees compression, the force resisting bending
is that the beam resists getting compressed.
If you support that beam at the bottom, as in just set it on the wall, the beam
is (sort of...) forced into resisting bending ONLY due to compressive forces.
If you bolt a little tab onto the beam's upper surface, and support it from there
(as in hang it down between the walls), the beam resists bending due to tensile
forces. It trys to stretch, but beams don't stretch usually...
In all cases, the force is the least at the point of support, and gets bigger the
further away from the support you go.
In the case of wood cells, they simply cannot stretch, at all. They can resist
stretching until the point of failure, but they won't get longer, it will just
fail. Natural fiber rope is safer because it doesn't stretch before failure,
similar to wood fibers. Synthetic ropes will stretch before failing and can
be lethal on ships. Crop dusters would rather hit aluminum lines (power lines)
because they just fail, they don't stretch like old phone (copper) lines do.
Wood cells can crush. If they're dry enough, they just break. If they're pliable
enough, they sort of just squish, the cell wall stays in tact. That's why
dry wood doesn't bend as well as wet wood. This is relative, ALL wood is wet
to some degree.
Dry rot is a fungus, and has nothing to do with dry, by the way...
So.... to bend wood effectively, we need to make sure when we bend it, we support
the wood at the outside of the radius. If you take a piece of metal pallet
strapping, longer than the piece we're going to bend, and put "end stops" on
it, VERY well attached so they cannot slip along the metal strapping, spaced apart
the SAME size as the blank of wood we're going to bend (so you can't use
random length pieces and cut them to size later, you can cut to size later, but
all the blanks used in this jig HAVE to be the same size for it to work, needs
to fit snug), we have an effective wood bending jig.
Put the wood in it (steamed, boiled, wet off the tree, just not super dry - certainly
not 8 percent out of the kiln and left indoors in a dry environment) and
bend. Those end stops will FORCE the entire wood bending action into compression,
thusly making it work. If the wood fails, it won't fail along the outside
of the radius like in the above photos, it may experience a compression fracture,
see my post about fixing a horiz stab a few months ago, and you'll see
that on the INSIDE of the radius. That would indicate the wood is too dry to
bend.
Strapping tape basically doesn't stretch, and the bends and wood we're talking
about aren't very varsity, so will HELP to force the wood into compression, taking
strain off the outside wood itself, and will aid the process.
Uh... does this help or just muddy up the waters?
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| Subject: | Aerocarb on Ford |
I tried an Aerocarb on my Ford installation. I tested it with the Aerocarb
and a Weber. It's been a few years so my memory of the details aren't
crystal clear.
I actually had the Aerocarb on the plane for its first and only flight with
the Ford. On the stand, the carb seemed to work well and I liked how simple
it was, and very nicely made. I had zero trouble with slide sticking. The
starting process had to be a bit different due to the nature of the design,
but once a process was figured out it was fine. It just starts to drip the
moment the fuel is on, so that becomes part of the starting procedure.
I probably ran it about five hours on the test stand with the aerocarb and
about the same with the weber. I seem to remember the weber being a bit
smoother, but that makes total sense considering the design.
It seemed that it would be very hard to make an aerocarb stop feeding fuel
to an engine. I think it is well worth experimenting with.
Douwe
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| Subject: | Re: Building Wing Ribs |
By the way, I didn't figure ANY of this out... I've a VERY complete selection of
nearly every book on woodworking printed by the Taunton press in the mid 80's
and early 90's. I've got the first two hundred issues of Fine Woodworking magazine,
and most of the first 50 or so from American Woodworking, Wood and Woodworker's
Journal.
I taught myself everything I know about woodworking from all of this. I deal mostly
with solid wood and spend a lot of time designing furniture and joinery
around wood movement to prevent eventual failure due to inevitable wood movement.
Many antiques are authenticated by inattention to this, and the resulting inevitable
cracks that develop.
By the way, plywood doublers on solid spars ARE NOT a good design. If you read
the aircraft repair manual, it does state that doublers can be plywood or solid
wood. The solid wood is WAY superior for longevity because it will expand
and contract with the spar (for example). The plywood will not and the glue joint
will fail.
Of course, most spars are quartersawn, the most stable of conditions, and that
helps. Also, the better they are varnished, the more stable they are. If they're
given three coats of epoxy, well applied, no problem, the wood is inert at
that point.
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| Subject: | Re: Building Wing Ribs |
Lorenzo,
You're exactly right about my misuse of the term crushed... thanks!
Also, your succinct explanation is way better than mine, thanks again!
Tools, who pretty much needs his hands to talk...
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| Subject: | Re: Corvair College |
Does anyone know what time CC 30 at Zenith plant starts? I thought there would
be more info when I signed up, but there wasn't ...I looked on Williams site,
and also couldn't find anything. I live about 3 hours away, and will probably
just drive up the morning of, unless it starts earlier than say, 7 AM.
--------
Jon Jones
Ironton, MO
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| Subject: | Re: tillotson carb |
Mike,
So far the carb seems to work OK, but it has not been tested under real cond
itions. According WW's recommendations, it and the mags should be overhaule
d by a reputable mechanic trained to do the job. Seems that job for the car
b is about $1000.00. Wish someone would reproduce the carb, would maybe cost
less!
If I don't use the Stromberg, it will be because it doesn't work, so it woul
d probably not be worth much! But I will make a note of your request.
It's been great following your progress...I'm envious.
Ray Krause
Sent from my iPad
> On Aug 15, 2014, at 3:52 AM, Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net> wrot
e:
>
> Ray, if you decide to off load your NS3-B Stromberg, I'd would be interest
ed in it. I'll need one for my other A-65 when I finish the overhaul on it s
omeday.
>
> If God is your co-pilot, switch seats
> Mike Perez
> Karetaker Aero
> Jury Strut Fabrication/Installation
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Building Wing Ribs |
Tools, I understand what you are saying...I was just giving you a hard time
saying wood fibers don't stretch and then later saying the tape prevents s
tretch. just messin' with ya...sorry.=0A=0AOn a side note, I would be inter
ested in the furniture you make/have made. I have done the same and plan to
get back into it after the plane is finished.=0A=0A-=0AIf God is your co
-pilot, switch seats=0AMike Perez=0AKaretaker Aero=0AJury Strut Fabrication
/Installation
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| Subject: | Re: tillotson carb |
Thanks Ray. Keep me in mind just in case.=0A=0A-=0AIf God is your co-pilo
t, switch seats=0AMike Perez=0AKaretaker Aero=0AJury Strut Fabrication/Inst
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| Subject: | Re: Carb choice for ford |
Ray, that machined carb. arm in the picture is mine, however, it was Mike W
eston who offered to make you one for your carb. if needed.=0A=0A-=0AIf G
od is your co-pilot, switch seats=0AMike Perez=0AKaretaker Aero=0AJury Stru
t Fabrication/Installation
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| Subject: | Re: Aerocarb on Ford |
Douwe,
The AeroCarb has a leaning valve that is nothing more than a needle valve th
at restricts the flow of Fuel to the inlet orafice. That is how I shut off t
he fuel flow. On my Jabiru, the AeroCarb is in a horizontal position to the
engine, not vertical as it would be on an A-65. My starting procedure on th
e Jab is to open the throttle slightly, push in the mixture to full rich and
hit the starter; no priming regardless of the temperature. It starts on the
first, or second blade. It must start on fumes because I cannot visualize a
tomized fuel getting to the cylinders.
Sonex told me to use the same procedure with the A-65, but I'm sure the fuel
would be running out of the cowl, or soaking into the air filter. But ther
e are a lot of planes running the VW engines with the AeroCarb mounted verti
cally with no problems.
Did you try leaning the engine with the AeroCarb after starting? Most every
one has the AeroCarb set to start rich. So that leaning would have made it r
un more smoothly as compared to the other carb. But leaning on a Ford, or A-
65 might be open to guesstimates and/or speculation. I guess on the A-65 on
e would just lean till it ran roughly, then enrichen a little.
But thanks for the comments, it helps.
By the way, the newer AeroInjectoer does not have the "sticky" throttle whic
h is caused by the intake suction holding the slide tightly to the carb body
while the engine runs. The newer carb has Teflon sliders that allow the sli
de to move more freely.
Just information and thoughts.
Ray Krause
Sent from my iPad
> On Aug 15, 2014, at 5:57 AM, "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg@earthlink.net
> wrote:
>
> I tried an Aerocarb on my Ford installation. I tested it with the Aerocar
b and a Weber. It=99s been a few years so my memory of the details ar
en=99t crystal clear.
>
> I actually had the Aerocarb on the plane for its first and only flight wit
h the Ford. On the stand, the carb seemed to work well and I liked how simp
le it was, and very nicely made. I had zero trouble with slide sticking. T
he starting process had to be a bit different due to the nature of the desig
n, but once a process was figured out it was fine. It just starts to drip t
he moment the fuel is on, so that becomes part of the starting procedure.
>
> I probably ran it about five hours on the test stand with the aerocarb and
about the same with the weber. I seem to remember the weber being a bit sm
oother, but that makes total sense considering the design.
>
> It seemed that it would be very hard to make an aerocarb stop feeding fuel
to an engine. I think it is well worth experimenting with.
>
> Douwe
>
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| Subject: | Re: Building Wing Ribs |
I did a quick sketch of a bending strap to move the axis of the bend to the outside
edge of rib and put all fibers in compression. I was thinking of using 1/2"
pallet banding, and in re-reading tools description of old furniture bending
straps, it sounds exactly the same...doggonit, thought I had came up with something
for a minute! Anyway, I guess the downside is, you would have to cut
your rib exactly to size so compression would begin immediately as bend is started,
but hey, these ribs are chocked full of precise cuts anyways-what's one
more!
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Ironton, MO
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| Subject: | Re: Building Wing Ribs |
I read tools latest post AGAIN, and see where I drew what he was describing down
to the last detail, pallet strap, blocks and all, so let me start over---
"Tools, I made a drawing of the process you described..."
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Clever. I like it. But too late for me.
Lorenzo
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Building Wing Ribs
> From: wheelharp@gmail.com
> Date: Fri=2C 15 Aug 2014 11:55:44 -0700
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
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> I did a quick sketch of a bending strap to move the axis of the bend to t
he outside edge of rib and put all fibers in compression. I was thinking of
using 1/2" pallet banding=2C and in re-reading tools description of old fu
rniture bending straps=2C it sounds exactly the same...doggonit=2C thought
I had came up with something for a minute! Anyway=2C I guess the downside
is=2C you would have to cut your rib exactly to size so compression would
begin immediately as bend is started=2C but hey=2C these ribs are chocked f
ull of precise cuts anyways-what's one more!
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Mike, seriously?!! All that for nothing! Good one...
Still, a good discussion on what's going on when ya bend wood. Wing bows, rib
caps, etc. GREAT diagram of how to make a bending jig. The jig doesn't have
to be precise, the end blocks can be adjustable... or use shims. The part just
needs to fig snugly.
Another trick, ammonia. Use that alot for bending balsa wood in model building.
Not sure what's going on, need to check with a bud who's a wood technologist.
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| Subject: | Re: Building Wing Ribs |
Just so that all new builders are clear....
Nearly every wood/fabric wing built since the Wright Brothers was built with
simple rib jigs, with the cap strips soaked or steamed. No need to make an
already tedious process more so...
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
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Right on enough talk start building then it wont take 1000 hrs.?=0A=0ARegar
ds:-- Bill Budgell=0A=0ACap Aviation Supplies=0A =0A=0A________________
________________=0A From: Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net>=0ATo: pietenpo
l-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Friday, August 15, 2014 5:47:43 PM=0ASubject:
RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Building Wing Ribs=0A =0A=0A--> Pietenpol-List me
ssage posted by: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5@comcast.net>=0A=0AJust so that all
new builders are clear....=0A=0ANearly every wood/fabric wing built since
the Wright Brothers was built with=0Asimple rib jigs, with the cap strips s
oaked or steamed. No need to make an=0Aalready tedious process more so...
=0A=0AGary Boothe=0ANX308MB=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A
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Gary,
I did not find the capstrip bending tedious, nor this current discussion. I actually
find it quite interesting as I am gaining new knowledge and learning new
skills.
Keep talkin' Tools and you other guys. If I get bored I can simply hit delete.
But I don't expect to any time soon!
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Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
USMC, USMCR, ATP
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| Subject: | Re: Building Wing Ribs |
Lorenzo,
I was reviewing your photos and your wing jig, as much as I can see and am wondering
about a difference between your jig and mine...
It seems yours has supports to clamp to on the INSIDE of the radius of the upper
cap strip, whereas mine has them on the OUTSIDE (merely coincidence, not sure
why I built it that way...) of the radius. So I pull my strips up into the
curve and clamp them, while you bend yours down to the clamps.
Think that's enough difference to cause the few of yours that broke, to break?
Given how well yours were tested and steamed, just wondering why you even had
that many that failed.
Tools
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| Subject: | Re: Building Wing Ribs |
WOW! Where did that come from? You guys go ahead and talk away...but, as I
said, I wouldn't want newbies to have the impression that this is a highly
technical process. I'm merely reminding that it's very simple. As for being
tedious, I'm glad you enjoy rib building so much, but, if it wasn't so
tedious, why do so many builders search for pre-built ribs? And, Yes, I find
rib building very tedious.
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
13 ribs into the 38 needed for my Boredom Fighter...
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
jarheadpilot82
Sent: Friday, August 15, 2014 5:27 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Building Wing Ribs
--> <jarheadpilot82@hotmail.com>
Gary,
I did not find the capstrip bending tedious, nor this current discussion. I
actually find it quite interesting as I am gaining new knowledge and
learning new skills.
Keep talkin' Tools and you other guys. If I get bored I can simply hit
delete. But I don't expect to any time soon!
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Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
USMC, USMCR, ATP
BVD DVD PDQ BBQ
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Hey Gary,
How ya making the rudder bow? Is that a solid bent piece, or a lamination? Seems
the vert and horiz stabs also have some decent bends.
Looks like a fun plane!
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| Subject: | Re: Corvair College |
Jon
I'm signed up for that one also. It isn't specified in my paperwork either.
Figure on 8-9 am. That is the way the last one went, but that one was at
at Barnwell S.C. These things arent real structured.
Dick N.
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From: "wheelharp" <wheelharp@gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, August 15, 2014 10:03 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair College
>
> Does anyone know what time CC 30 at Zenith plant starts? I thought there
> would be more info when I signed up, but there wasn't ...I looked on
> Williams site, and also couldn't find anything. I live about 3 hours away,
> and will probably just drive up the morning of, unless it starts earlier
> than say, 7 AM.
>
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> Ironton, MO
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Gary,
Is that 38 ribs for the top wing, then another 38 for the bottom wing, maybe vice
versa?
I love that plane. Someone on Barnstormers just had a beautiful one for sale.
But it couldn't be as nice as the one you will build. Keep building!
Ray Krause
Sent from my iPad
> On Aug 15, 2014, at 6:28 PM, "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
> WOW! Where did that come from? You guys go ahead and talk away...but, as I
> said, I wouldn't want newbies to have the impression that this is a highly
> technical process. I'm merely reminding that it's very simple. As for being
> tedious, I'm glad you enjoy rib building so much, but, if it wasn't so
> tedious, why do so many builders search for pre-built ribs? And, Yes, I find
> rib building very tedious.
>
> Gary Boothe
> NX308MB
> 13 ribs into the 38 needed for my Boredom Fighter...
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> jarheadpilot82
> Sent: Friday, August 15, 2014 5:27 PM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Building Wing Ribs
>
> --> <jarheadpilot82@hotmail.com>
>
> Gary,
>
> I did not find the capstrip bending tedious, nor this current discussion. I
> actually find it quite interesting as I am gaining new knowledge and
> learning new skills.
>
> Keep talkin' Tools and you other guys. If I get bored I can simply hit
> delete. But I don't expect to any time soon!
>
> --------
> Semper Fi,
>
> Terry Hand
> Athens, GA
>
> USMC, USMCR, ATP
> BVD DVD PDQ BBQ
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428537#428537
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>
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>
>
>
>
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Jon,
The sign up for CC#30 closed about 90 minutes ago. After we have the emails of
everyone who is attending, we send out a series of emails with a lot of details
on prepping for the college and the schedule for the event. The on line sign
up is done for us by Ken Pavlou (he flew the blue/gray Corvair powered 601XL
to Oshkosh) and I expect to have the final list from him in a day or two, and
the builders who signed up will get the follow on information after that.
If you have further questions after that, email me privately. If you would like
to cover it on the phone, I will be glad to do so when I get back to Florida
in a week. Grace and I are still in NJ taking care of my Father. ww.
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| Subject: | Rick Schreiber - engine warning |
Builders,
I just put a story on my website about a dangerous idiot who came to my booth at
Oshkosh to brag that the had talked a Corvair/Pietenpol builder out of using
the forged pistons I have specified for 25 years. The idiot claimed I didn't
know Corvairs as well as he did, and the additional cost of forged pistons, (
less than 1% of a $10K plane) was a waste.
The full story is at this link: http://flycorvair.net/2014/08/16/local-expert-convinces-builder-to-use-cast-pistons/
It is worth reading for the lesson of not listening to idiot local experts, and
the cost of being around fools in aviation
The plane and engine in question belong to Rick Schreiber. I like Rick a lot, and
I didn't use his name on my site, but I do here because it is my heart felt
wish that he rethink taking advice from this idiot. I have no idea what other
things this fool talked Rick into. I have known too many people hurt in planes
because they took advice from an idiot. -ww.
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